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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:03 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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> On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:29:00 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:43:00 -0700, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 20:05:54 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
>>><Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:50:56 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 18:22:17 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
>>>>> <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 08:58:49 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:46:55 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>>>>> <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 12:21:24 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>>>>Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 09:49:55 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>>>>>>>> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:08:03 AM UTC-6, Paul S
>>>>>>>>> >Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> The /traditional/ time is "when the child draws
>>>>>>>>> >> breath independently of the mother".
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >That may be the traditional time of birth, but you were
>>>>>>>>> >replying to a post about when personhood begins.
>>>>>>>>> It begins when God breathes into the infant's nostrils
>>>>>>>>> the Breath of Life, causing it to breath independently
>>>>>>>>> of the mother. As noted, providing assistance is
>>>>>>>>> allowed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry to get so religious on you but, as should be
>>>>>>>>> apparent, this is a criterion based on religion. And not
>>>>>>>>> just Christianity or even Judaism. It was probably
>>>>>>>>> pretty universal, and may still be. --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not a good answer for those of us living in a republic
>>>>>>>>that, the opinions of some conservatives aside, does not
>>>>>>>>privilege religious values. Appeal to philosophy
>>>>>>>>(specifically ethics) and/or appeal to the biology of
>>>>>>>>human development, but when you appeal to religious
>>>>>>>>tradition and/or theology you have colored outside the
>>>>>>>>constitutional lines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Once we started thinking that minds depend on brains, the
>>>>>>>>idea that a not-very-developed brain comes pre-installed
>>>>>>>>with some sort of a psyche/pneuma/soul seems ludicrous,
>>>>>>>>I've never heard of any theory of souls growing and
>>>>>>>>developing the way the human body and mind do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to prove the underlying theological point,
>>>>>>> merely pointing to Quadi that that /is/ the traditional
>>>>>>> answer to when a person begins. And that it /is/ the
>>>>>>> traditional Christian answer as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He hasn't responded. Perhaps he checked with a lawyer or
>>>>>>> on the web and found out that Canada also requires a live
>>>>>>> birth (including, say, C-sections) before the existence of
>>>>>>> a human being is recognized with a birth certificate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Judaism and ("pro-life") Christianity have dissimilar
>>>>>>>>views on the personhood of the fetus in the womb.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and
>>>>>>>>-Abortion-
>>>>>>FINAL.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sound surprising familiar, but then, Christianity
>>>>>>> developed from Judaism so it is not surprising that the
>>>>>>> traditional Christian viewpoint would be much the same as
>>>>>>> given here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My feeling is to allow "pro-life" only to those who also
>>>>>>> reject captial punishment. Many Evangelicals are
>>>>>>> anti-abortion but not pro-life. Indeed, since the Supreme
>>>>>>> Court routinely refuses to use any of its appeals
>>>>>>> involving capital punishment, it must be concluded that
>>>>>>> even the idiotic five are not pro-life but merely
>>>>>>> anti-abortion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why? What action has the fetus taken that warranted a death
>>>>>>penalty? Being born to the wrong person?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, this is not the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> The point is the legal definition of "human being".
>>>>>
>>>>> And an unborn child does /not/ qualify.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hysteria does not help, not even one little bit.
>>>>
>>>>I was replying to the only anti-capital punishment people are
>>>>pro-life statement,pointing out they are not the same thing.
>>>
>>>It is my understanding that, if you check with the Pope, you
>>>will find that being pro-life includes all of:
>>>
>>>1) opposition to abortion
>>>2) opposition to effective contraception
>>>3) opposition to capital punishment
>>>
>>>Although not a Roman Catholic, I suggest that the Pope's
>>>definition of "pro-life" is reasonably authoritative.
>>
>>You don't actually know any Catholics, do you?
>
> I've known several, in various contexts.

Not very well, apparently.
>
> And, while they may not /agree/ with the Pope, I suspect that
> they accept his definition of "pro-life".

"Guttmacher�s analysis of data from the federal government�s
National Survey of Family Growth found that the vast majority of
American women of reproductive age (15�44)�including 99% of all
sexually experienced women and 98% of those who identify themselves
as Catholic�have used a method of contraception other than natural
family planning at some point. "

"Among women who are currently at risk of unintended pregnancy, 88%
overall�and 87% of Catholics�use a method other than natural family
planning."

"Among all women who are at risk of unintended pregnancy, 69%
(including 68% of Catholics) are currently using a highly effective
contraceptive method�male or female sterilization, the IUD, the
pill or another hormonal method."

"Only 1% of all women at risk of unintended pregnancy (2% of
Catholics) use natural family planning, the only method of
contraception sanctioned by the Catholic hierarchy."

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-
catholic-womens-contraceptive-use

https://tinyurl.com/2u6t4npf

To sum up: "You no play the game, you no make the rules."

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:51:52 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:28:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> wrote:

> >THAT is an extremely low blow since while the term "Kinde, Kirche,
> >Kueche" was coined by Bismarck, it is most associated with the Third
> >Reich which some Democrats insist on describing their opposition as.

> Are you sure?

> IIRC, it was presented to me as the traditional German attitude.

While I don't agree with him that it's a particularly "low blow", it is indeed
true that _Kinder, Kirche, Küche_ is referred to as a phrase used by Hitler
in a number of works, and is associated with him.

John Savard

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 by: The Horny Goat - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:52 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:51:46 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:28:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:18:01 -0700, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't think so. The most basic principle of the Traditional Family
>>>Values they champion is, after all:
>>>
>>>women are cattle
>>>
>>>However, "all women" is a bit of a stretch. Any woman who is satisfied
>>>with the 3 Ks (Kinde, Kirche, Kueche -- that is, Kids, Church,
>>>Kitchen) will find the Republican solutions quite tolerable.
>>
>>THAT is an extremely low blow since while the term "Kinde, Kirche,
>>Kueche" was coined by Bismarck, it is most associated with the Third
>>Reich which some Democrats insist on describing their opposition as.
>>(As does Putin in describing anybody - not just Ukrainians - who
>>doesn't embrace him)
>
>Are you sure?

Wiki attributes it to the princess Victoria daughter of you know who
and mother of Kaiser Wilhelm II so if I'm wrong on Bismarck I'm not
wrong on the era

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder,_K%C3%BCche,_Kirche

>IIRC, it was presented to me as the traditional German attitude.
>
>But I suppose they could have been mistaken. Or my memory could be.
>
>And, really, all I am doing is pointing out that it is possible that
>not /every/ woman wants to have a career. Some may feel that
>"housewife" is career enough.

My late wife stayed home when the kids were little and never went back
to the workforce. That was HER choice and I supported her - and would
have equally supported her if she made the opposite decision. My
sister-in-law is a quite senior executive in a major regional
insurance company and makes north of $200k / year - while undoubtedly
my brother enjoys the extra moolah I'm sure he would have supported
her as well just as my mother was a teacher for 10 years (she didn't
return to university for her teaching credential till my brother was
11) and worked full time in the family business the rest of her life.

No question family was critical to all three of them held that credo
though all 3 are and were very different individuals and none were
Germans.

But no question the Nazis adopted that phrase with a vengeance.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:57 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:04:49 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
>news:mn568hdlubc1ssntia7q017l77159nesb9@4ax.com:
>
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:37:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Is that the most recent Democrat you could come up with that I
>>>couldn't immediately point to fascist acts they've committed?
>>>Most likely.
>>>>
>>>> It is the /Republicans/ that have gone fascist.
>>>
>>>It is *Democrats* who are literally using the history of the
>>>rise to power of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 20s as a
>>>handbook.
>>>>
>> During the 1920 the Nazi SA were almost entirely engaging in
>> street battles vs their Communist counterparts.
>
>Yes. Perhaps you've hear of "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa," though
>of course, you're not allowed to recognize their violent insurgency
>trying to overturn the 2016 election was exactly that.

I was mostly disputing his mis-remembered chronology.

My father was born on 30 January 1933 - I'm pretty sure I know who
took power in Germany that day and what resulted from that.

During the 1920s both Nazis and Communists were significant but not
all that big minorities in Germany. They often fought each other but
not normally the general population or even other political opponents
(at least until the Night of the Long Knives and Kristalnacht which
were of course 1933 and 1938 well after the 20s)

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 by: The Horny Goat - Tue, 17 May 2022 18:04 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:05:15 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>>I mean, really. Slavery ended, what, over 150 years ago? Why is race even
>>a _thing_ any more?
>
>Because the sad truth is that racism is as American as apple pie.
>Albeit now in only some areas.
>
>And will continue to be such until rooted out altogether.
>
>Hence the uproar over actually teaching kids to recognize it and call
>it out when they see it, as opposed to treating it as one of the
>"fnords".

Racism goes far beyond ownership of other human beings. And I have no
hesitation saying so though I utterly reject the racism of BLM and
those who demand "equity" (equality of results) rather than "equality"
(equality of opportunity). What I do believe in is removing barriers.

I have no use for racial quotas and despise the politicians who
prioritized certain racial minorities for COVID vaccination ahead of
those known to be clinically extremely vulnerable. (As happened in
Canada and no doubt elsewhere)

I don't like politicians who play Russian Roulette with people's lives
for dubious "justice" considerations. And I very much DO vote. (I've
only missed one election in my life and that was a local election at a
time when I was moving out of the area 3 weeks after the vote and was
at that time already packing for the move)

I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with the word "fnords"

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On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 18:57:26 UTC+1, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:04:49 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote in
> >news:mn568hdlubc1ssnti...@4ax.com:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:37:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> >> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Is that the most recent Democrat you could come up with that I
> >>>couldn't immediately point to fascist acts they've committed?
> >>>Most likely.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is the /Republicans/ that have gone fascist.
> >>>
> >>>It is *Democrats* who are literally using the history of the
> >>>rise to power of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 20s as a
> >>>handbook.
> >>>>
> >> During the 1920 the Nazi SA were almost entirely engaging in
> >> street battles vs their Communist counterparts.
> >
> >Yes. Perhaps you've hear of "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa," though
> >of course, you're not allowed to recognize their violent insurgency
> >trying to overturn the 2016 election was exactly that.
> I was mostly disputing his mis-remembered chronology.
>
> My father was born on 30 January 1933 - I'm pretty sure I know who
> took power in Germany that day and what resulted from that.
>
> During the 1920s both Nazis and Communists were significant but not
> all that big minorities in Germany. They often fought each other but
> not normally the general population or even other political opponents
> (at least until the Night of the Long Knives and Kristalnacht which
> were of course 1933 and 1938 well after the 20s)

Do not feed the troll.

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On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 17:12:46 UTC+1, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1, rpre...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 8:25:59 AM UTC-4, Bice wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
> >> > <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 12:26:07 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Well, the more traditional Calvinists still believe that the State
> >> > >> exists to do whatever they tell it to do. One of them said so, IIRC,
> >> > >> while running in a primary.
> >> > >
> >> > >I would like to see a citation for that.
> >> > "Don't talk to me about separation of church and state. Church and
> >> > state was written because the state has no business in our church. But
> >> > we are the church. We are the church, and we run the state."
> >> >
> >> > -- Georgia gubernatorial candidate Kandiss Taylor
> >> >
> >> > Quote for May 2, 2022 from:
> >> >
> >> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/doonesbury/media/say_what/archive?page=2
> >>
> >> Although this citation does date the quote to May 2, 2022, other searching I've done dates it
> >> to April 2, 2022. For example:
> >> https://www.newsweek.com/gop-candidate-says-we-are-church-we-run-state-viral-video-1696729
> >>
> >> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one /white/ woman, and their children"
> >
> >Where is that supposed to have come from? It could
> >be out of the traditional "mad scene" performed in each
> >year's Republican convention, but Google doesn't recognise
> >the words, which implies no one even alleges it, or else
> >they're censoring it of course.
> <snippo>
> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not marriage.
>
> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the Republican
> Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in Wisconsin, although
> quite possibly not.
>
> Note that "State-level" includes State legislators that run in only
> one State district, which is pretty local in practice.
>
> That's a lot of possibles -- some of which may have lost the Primary
> and so be harder to track.

Well, anyway, as I explained, it's exactly as traditionally
American as slavery, do it goes back a /long/ way.

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:

> I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with the word "fnords"

If the word "fnord" encloses something in a Usenet post,
it indicates the author wishes readers to forget that they
read it.

So the comment had to do with the people objecting to
what they allege is teaching "Critical Race Theory" in
the schools and the 1619 Project and so on.

John Savard

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On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:04:18 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>
> > I'm afraid I am unfamiliar with the word "fnords"
> If the word "fnord" encloses something in a Usenet post,
> it indicates the author wishes readers to forget that they
> read it.
>
> So the comment had to do with the people objecting to
> what they allege is teaching "Critical Race Theory" in
> the schools and the 1619 Project and so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord

Its a bit more complicaterd. It comes from Discordian books,
such as the Principia Discordia and the Illuminatus! trilogy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord

In this context, PSP means that racism is a topic which many
people prefer to pretend does not exist.

pt

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 by: Ross Presser - Tue, 17 May 2022 19:57 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:

> >On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1, rpre...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one /white/ woman, and their children"

> <snippo>
> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not marriage.
>
> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the Republican
> Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in Wisconsin, although
> quite possibly not.
>
> Note that "State-level" includes State legislators that run in only
> one State district, which is pretty local in practice.
>
> That's a lot of possibles -- some of which may have lost the Primary
> and so be harder to track.

Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?

I found this tweet, but it's equally unsourced.
https://twitter.com/RachelBitecofer/status/1506726579807789061

] @RachelBitecofer
] 4:16 PM · Mar 23, 2022 · Twitter Web App
] GOP 2022
] Marriage should be defined as a union between one white man and one white woman.
] ] I got to admit, combined with "we're gonna tax the hell out of you," it's a bold platform.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:00 UTC

On 5/17/2022 11:02 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 16:05:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/15/2022 11:41 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>> In article <9ni38hpfpv3h70fbpmgo4jbmhtsoslt26c@4ax.com>,
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 08:40:36 -0700, Paul S Person
>>>> <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I should acknowledge here that, much as I would prefer a different
>>>>> outcome, the usual result of a mid-term election in a President's
>>>>> first term is, indeed, for the other side to take control of Congress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Up to 40 years ago, this was arguably a good thing, as it forced
>>>>> middle-of-the-road comprise measures. But then the Republicans went
>>>>> all ideological on us, and decided to "negotiate" like North Korea
>>>>> does: get what they can and take the rest if possible.
>>>>
>>>> Oh? And the fact that modern Democrats egg on their most extreme
>>>> elements (the Squad's open anti-Semiticism is the least of their
>>>> "crimes") with zero restraint whatever?
>>>>
>>>> I'm no Trump-ista but if you describe ALL Republicans in those terms
>>>> you have simply got to expect some pushback. No doubt there are some
>>>> wingnuts but it's not the entire party.
>>>
>>> The minions of Trump are busy driving out all sane Republicans by
>>> calling them RINOs (of course, Trump and company are the actual
>>> Republicans In Name Only).
>>
>> Trump's legacy, three conservative SCOTUS justices (two more than I had
>> expected), is proof to me and mine that Trump was not and is not a RINO.
>
> Who all appear to be agreeing with a Justice who apparently believes
> in Replacement Theory, a staple of the alt-right. Judging from the
> footnotes to his draft. Footnotes, I should add, that may or may not
> remain in the actual decision if Roe v Wade is overturned.
>
> Trump is a RINO because he is /way/ too far to the right.

OK, I laughed at that concept.

Lynn

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:20 UTC

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:f841d944-ed1f-4655-96ac-af281501441dn@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 18:57:26 UTC+1, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:04:49 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote in
>> >news:mn568hdlubc1ssnti...@4ax.com:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:37:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> >> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Is that the most recent Democrat you could come up with that
>> >>>I couldn't immediately point to fascist acts they've
>> >>>committed? Most likely.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It is the /Republicans/ that have gone fascist.
>> >>>
>> >>>It is *Democrats* who are literally using the history of the
>> >>>rise to power of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 20s as a
>> >>>handbook.
>> >>>>
>> >> During the 1920 the Nazi SA were almost entirely engaging in
>> >> street battles vs their Communist counterparts.
>> >
>> >Yes. Perhaps you've hear of "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa,"
>> >though of course, you're not allowed to recognize their
>> >violent insurgency trying to overturn the 2016 election was
>> >exactly that.
>> I was mostly disputing his mis-remembered chronology.
>>
>> My father was born on 30 January 1933 - I'm pretty sure I know
>> who took power in Germany that day and what resulted from that.
>>
>> During the 1920s both Nazis and Communists were significant but
>> not all that big minorities in Germany. They often fought each
>> other but not normally the general population or even other
>> political opponents (at least until the Night of the Long
>> Knives and Kristalnacht which were of course 1933 and 1938 well
>> after the 20s)
>
> Do not feed the troll.
>
Yeah, that's Bobbie's job. And he does it so well.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Chris Buckley - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:29 UTC

On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>
>> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse the
>> widespread rioting after the Floyd death in Minneapolis.
>
> While there was indeed widespread property damage and looting, there
> is a general consensus that to make a fuss about that in the face of the
> death of a human being is... indecent, and shows bigotry against black
> people.

As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in those riots?
You seem to be ignoring them.

> Whether or not one agrees with that, therefore, one might avoid citing
> those riots as a serious problem to avoid being thought a bigot.
>
> Of course, even if one does not *excuse* the Floyd rioters in the least,
> one could view that as a local issue, concerning those who were directly
> affected (although that isn't reasonable, because that sort of thing doesn't
> _only_ happen in New York, what about the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles -
> and in *those* riots, a man was pulled from his truck and suffered life-altering
> brain damage from being attacked by a rioter) whereas the January 6
> event in Washington D.C. threatened *to take away the ability of the
> American people to control the government with their votes*.
>
> And riots like the Rodney King riots and the George Floyd riots are entirely
> avoidable - if the police would behave properly. And if so many black people
> weren't living in desperate poverty.
>
> I mean, really. Slavery ended, what, over 150 years ago? Why is race even
> a _thing_ any more?

In part, for the same reasons that one party is so strongly against laws that
prohibit state and local governments from discriminating against, or
granting preferential treatment to, individuals or groups on the basis
of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of
public employment, education, or contracting.
(see California Proposition 16)

It's in the Democrats' self-interest to do so.

Chris

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 by: Chris Buckley - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:45 UTC

On 2022-05-17, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>
>>> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse the
>>> widespread rioting after the Floyd death in Minneapolis.
>>
>>While there was indeed widespread property damage and looting, there
>>is a general consensus that to make a fuss about that in the face of the
>>death of a human being is... indecent, and shows bigotry against black
>>people.
>>
>>Whether or not one agrees with that, therefore, one might avoid citing
>>those riots as a serious problem to avoid being thought a bigot.
>>
>>Of course, even if one does not *excuse* the Floyd rioters in the least,
>>one could view that as a local issue, concerning those who were directly
>>affected (although that isn't reasonable, because that sort of thing doesn't
>>_only_ happen in New York, what about the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles -
>>and in *those* riots, a man was pulled from his truck and suffered life-altering
>>brain damage from being attacked by a rioter) whereas the January 6
>>event in Washington D.C. threatened *to take away the ability of the
>>American people to control the government with their votes*.
>>
>>And riots like the Rodney King riots and the George Floyd riots are entirely
>>avoidable - if the police would behave properly. And if so many black people
>>weren't living in desperate poverty.
>>
>>I mean, really. Slavery ended, what, over 150 years ago? Why is race even
>>a _thing_ any more?
>
> Because the sad truth is that racism is as American as apple pie.
> Albeit now in only some areas.
>
> And will continue to be such until rooted out altogether.
>
> Hence the uproar over actually teaching kids to recognize it and call
> it out when they see it, as opposed to treating it as one of the
> "fnords".

And exactly how are we supposed to teach kids to recognize it when we
can't even give a definition for it for adults?
Paul, you have been railing against racism for years, calling people and
groups racist. But you have flatly refused to tell anybody what you mean
by racist. We have to guess.

Are we supposed to tell all these school children that when they see
questionable behavior, they should call or email Paul Person to find
out if it is racist?

Chris

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:49 UTC

Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> writes:
>On 2022-05-17, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc

>> Hence the uproar over actually teaching kids to recognize it and call
>> it out when they see it, as opposed to treating it as one of the
>> "fnords".
>
>And exactly how are we supposed to teach kids to recognize it when we
>can't even give a definition for it for adults?
>
>Paul, you have been railing against racism for years, calling people and
>groups racist. But you have flatly refused to tell anybody what you mean
>by racist. We have to guess.

Calling Justice Potter, calling Justice Potter.

And you're responding to John, not Paul.

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 by: Chris Buckley - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:56 UTC

On 2022-05-17, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> writes:
>>On 2022-05-17, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>
>>> Hence the uproar over actually teaching kids to recognize it and call
>>> it out when they see it, as opposed to treating it as one of the
>>> "fnords".
>>
>>And exactly how are we supposed to teach kids to recognize it when we
>>can't even give a definition for it for adults?
>>
>>Paul, you have been railing against racism for years, calling people and
>>groups racist. But you have flatly refused to tell anybody what you mean
>>by racist. We have to guess.
>
> Calling Justice Potter, calling Justice Potter.
>
> And you're responding to John, not Paul.

What a ridiculous, contradictory statement! We're supposed to be
teaching kids to recognize racism by telling them that they will know
it when they see it????

And I was responding to Paul - check the attributions.

Chris

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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 12:06:33 AM UTC-4, Dan Swartzendruber wrote:
> In article <0a36344b-9dbc-4f5f...@googlegroups.com>,
> kev...@my-deja.com says...
> > The bars in Milwaukee, prior to Wisconsin being whipsawed into
> > raising the drinking age to 21 by the Feds denying states any
> > highway money unless they knuckled under, had a constant
> > stream of brand-new sailors given liberty from the Great Lakes
> > station at North Chicago. IL was a 21 state. If they older, they
> > could get served in the Land of Lincoln.
>
> I went to college in northern Indiana in the 70s. It was very popular
> for students to drive less than 1 hour over the border to Michigan,
> where they could drink at 18+.

I had a PoliSci professor (Political Philosophy) who earned
his undergraduate degree at Notre Dame. Without fail, at
least 1 student a year had been told by those who had taken
the course already that he could be importuned to tell "the
Michigan story," which involved a spring break,* trip to a cabin
"up north," the acquisition of large quantities of alcohol and,
IMS, a race back to South Bend in time for classes to resume in
a notional auto.

* Remembering that, in the Upper Midwest during the week that
some students invade Fort Lauderdale or South Padre Island,
outdoor recreation may still revolve around ice fishing and cross-
country skiing. The advent of Spring may be marked by the first
idiot to let his truck or fishing shanty fall through thin ice into
the local lake.

--
Kevin R

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 17 May 2022 21:09 UTC

Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote in
news:jeiet4FghdrU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse
>>> the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in Minneapolis.
>>
>> While there was indeed widespread property damage and looting,
>> there is a general consensus that to make a fuss about that in
>> the face of the death of a human being is... indecent, and
>> shows bigotry against black people.
>
> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.

I'm guessing they're white. Which is to say, in Quaddie's diseased
fantasy world, they're not people and don't matter.
>
>> Whether or not one agrees with that, therefore, one might avoid
>> citing those riots as a serious problem to avoid being thought
>> a bigot.
>>
>> Of course, even if one does not *excuse* the Floyd rioters in
>> the least, one could view that as a local issue, concerning
>> those who were directly affected (although that isn't
>> reasonable, because that sort of thing doesn't _only_ happen in
>> New York, what about the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles -
>> and in *those* riots, a man was pulled from his truck and
>> suffered life-altering brain damage from being attacked by a
>> rioter) whereas the January 6 event in Washington D.C.
>> threatened *to take away the ability of the American people to
>> control the government with their votes*.
>>
>> And riots like the Rodney King riots and the George Floyd riots
>> are entirely avoidable - if the police would behave properly.
>> And if so many black people weren't living in desperate
>> poverty.
>>
>> I mean, really. Slavery ended, what, over 150 years ago? Why is
>> race even a _thing_ any more?
>
> In part, for the same reasons that one party is so strongly
> against laws that
> prohibit state and local governments from discriminating
> against, or granting preferential treatment to, individuals
> or groups on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or
> national origin in the operation of public employment,
> education, or contracting. (see California Proposition 16)
>
> It's in the Democrats' self-interest to do so.
>
Not quite. It's in the interests of the leadship, as individuals,
and their labor union masters, to do so.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 17 May 2022 21:11 UTC

Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote in
news:jeifqgFghdrU2@mid.individual.net:

> On 2022-05-17, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse
>>>> the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in Minneapolis.
>>>
>>>While there was indeed widespread property damage and looting,
>>>there is a general consensus that to make a fuss about that in
>>>the face of the death of a human being is... indecent, and
>>>shows bigotry against black people.
>>>
>>>Whether or not one agrees with that, therefore, one might avoid
>>>citing those riots as a serious problem to avoid being thought
>>>a bigot.
>>>
>>>Of course, even if one does not *excuse* the Floyd rioters in
>>>the least, one could view that as a local issue, concerning
>>>those who were directly affected (although that isn't
>>>reasonable, because that sort of thing doesn't _only_ happen in
>>>New York, what about the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles -
>>>and in *those* riots, a man was pulled from his truck and
>>>suffered life-altering brain damage from being attacked by a
>>>rioter) whereas the January 6 event in Washington D.C.
>>>threatened *to take away the ability of the American people to
>>>control the government with their votes*.
>>>
>>>And riots like the Rodney King riots and the George Floyd riots
>>>are entirely avoidable - if the police would behave properly.
>>>And if so many black people weren't living in desperate
>>>poverty.
>>>
>>>I mean, really. Slavery ended, what, over 150 years ago? Why is
>>>race even a _thing_ any more?
>>
>> Because the sad truth is that racism is as American as apple
>> pie. Albeit now in only some areas.
>>
>> And will continue to be such until rooted out altogether.
>>
>> Hence the uproar over actually teaching kids to recognize it
>> and call it out when they see it, as opposed to treating it as
>> one of the "fnords".
>
> And exactly how are we supposed to teach kids to recognize it
> when we can't even give a definition for it for adults?
>
> Paul, you have been railing against racism for years, calling
> people and groups racist. But you have flatly refused to tell
> anybody what you mean by racist. We have to guess.

Rather like Shawn Wilson's claims to be an economist, which he
refused to define even when I offered him a thousand dollars cash
to do so.
>
> Are we supposed to tell all these school children that when they
> see questionable behavior, they should call or email Paul Person
> to find out if it is racist?
>
This is the fascist left. Their definition of "racism" is "you are
required to attack whoever we tell you to, even yourselves, on
command, so that we can get richer at your expense."

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Tue, 17 May 2022 21:12 UTC

Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote in
news:jeigfhFghdrU3@mid.individual.net:

> On 2022-05-17, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> writes:
>>>On 2022-05-17, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 23:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>
>>>> Hence the uproar over actually teaching kids to recognize it
>>>> and call it out when they see it, as opposed to treating it
>>>> as one of the "fnords".
>>>
>>>And exactly how are we supposed to teach kids to recognize it
>>>when we can't even give a definition for it for adults?
>>>
>>>Paul, you have been railing against racism for years, calling
>>>people and groups racist. But you have flatly refused to tell
>>>anybody what you mean by racist. We have to guess.
>>
>> Calling Justice Potter, calling Justice Potter.
>>
>> And you're responding to John, not Paul.
>
> What a ridiculous, contradictory statement! We're supposed to
> be teaching kids to recognize racism by telling them that they
> will know it when they see it????

No, when we're told to see it by our betters.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

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 by: J. Clarke - Tue, 17 May 2022 21:30 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:28:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:18:01 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I don't think so. The most basic principle of the Traditional Family
>>Values they champion is, after all:
>>
>>women are cattle
>>
>>However, "all women" is a bit of a stretch. Any woman who is satisfied
>>with the 3 Ks (Kinde, Kirche, Kueche -- that is, Kids, Church,
>>Kitchen) will find the Republican solutions quite tolerable.
>
>THAT is an extremely low blow since while the term "Kinde, Kirche,
>Kueche" was coined by Bismarck, it is most associated with the Third
>Reich which some Democrats insist on describing their opposition as.
>(As does Putin in describing anybody - not just Ukrainians - who
>doesn't embrace him)

Which if he wasn't so dangerous would be a hoot, considering that he's
a NIABN.

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:51:46 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:28:29 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:18:01 -0700, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't think so. The most basic principle of the Traditional Family
>>>Values they champion is, after all:
>>>
>>>women are cattle
>>>
>>>However, "all women" is a bit of a stretch. Any woman who is satisfied
>>>with the 3 Ks (Kinde, Kirche, Kueche -- that is, Kids, Church,
>>>Kitchen) will find the Republican solutions quite tolerable.
>>
>>THAT is an extremely low blow since while the term "Kinde, Kirche,
>>Kueche" was coined by Bismarck, it is most associated with the Third
>>Reich which some Democrats insist on describing their opposition as.
>>(As does Putin in describing anybody - not just Ukrainians - who
>>doesn't embrace him)
>
>Are you sure?
>
>IIRC, it was presented to me as the traditional German attitude.
>
>But I suppose they could have been mistaken. Or my memory could be.
>
>And, really, all I am doing is pointing out that it is possible that
>not /every/ woman wants to have a career. Some may feel that
>"housewife" is career enough.

Some prefer it because it gives them time to do things that are
important to _them_ instead of to the idiot they work for.

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:53:48 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:29:26 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>news:e3u48hlp0cqi8ulkkrg8slf3gsdg0p6tlj@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:12:30 -0400, J. Clarke
>>> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 15 May 2022 17:40:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>>>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:08:42 PM UTC-6, Ninapenda Jibini
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, in your diseased fantasy world, all Republicans are
>>>>>> hell-bent on murdering all women? That *must* be your belief,
>>>>>> based on what you've said.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can't the people in control of the Republican Party just be
>>>>>bent on making life worse for nearly all women?
>>>>
>>>>This is Democratic Party cant.
>>>
>>> I don't think so. The most basic principle of the Traditional
>>> Family Values they champion is, after all:
>>>
>>> women are cattle
>>>
>>> However, "all women" is a bit of a stretch. Any woman who is
>>> satisfied with the 3 Ks (Kinde, Kirche, Kueche -- that is, Kids,
>>> Church, Kitchen) will find the Republican solutions quite
>>> tolerable.
>>
>>I'm not sure Ms. Ronna McDaniel would agree. In fact, I'm pretty sure
>>she wouldn't.
>
>Not agree with what?
>-- that all women will find life worse under Republican
>totalitarianism?
>-- that some women might be content to be houswives?
>or something else?

You know, you're the flip side of quadi. Get out of your little blue
bubble for a while.

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:57:46 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:15:11 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:15:10 -0400, J. Clarke
>><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Personally I'm a Republican and I don't give the tiniest damn what
>>>Trump wants. He had his shot, he screwed up by the numbers, he lost,
>>>and I suspect if he tries again it's not going to turn out like he
>>>planned. Be nice though if he kicked it in the near future so
>>>everybody woult STFU about the moron.
>>
>>The Trumpsters would probably describe me as a RINO if I were an
>>American - I'm very tough on the need to run a tight ship financially
>>but am fairly tolerant on social issues. I'm NOT one for social
>>engineering by pouring dollars on them.
>>
>>My point is that there are a LOT of people like me who will be aghast
>>at the type of progressive who belongs to the "drunken sailor" sort of
>>project financing. Similarly we're not the "hang em high types" - the
>>point being that it is most unwise to assume there are clearly defined
>>liberal and conservative positions that will line up obediently across
>>the whole agenda.
>
>The problem is that the Republican Party has become an ideological
>party -- and, yes, everbody has to believe the same thing or they are
>RINOs.

And your authority for this statement is?
>
>I will agree that the Dems are moving in that direction, but they
>aren't there yet.
>
>But as to individuals not a member of either party, yes, they will
>agree with one on some issues and the other on some others. That is
>why they are "in the middle" overall.
>
>Kind of like a donkey equally spaced between two bales of hay.

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 22:12:03 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 15:26:06 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I suspect our foundes would all have a stroke and die foaming at
>>the mouth at what we've become.
>
>Absolutely right.
>
>I'd go so far as saying few science fiction writers write 'as far in
>the future' as the 250+ years since 1776 and that our shock at the
>23rd / 24th century would be far less than the Americans of that era.
>
>(I know - Star Trek Discovery claims to be in the 31st century but
>that is in the aftermath of a galactic collapse involving the
>"dilithium burn" - even ST:TNG is not as foreign to us as modern day
>America would be to the Founding Fathers.
>
>Franklin would probably quickly grasp the situation of the present day
>and probably a few of the others but no question most of them would be
>completely gobsmacked though I suspect they'd be generally pleased
>with the present day map of North America. Certainly Franklin would
>not be surprised to find all of North America had been fully explored
>and that there was a state beyond the North American continent and
>another state in North America but NOT contiguous to the other 48.
>
>One can only imagine what they might think of present day
>Europe.....only ONE German state? (well two if you even notice Austria
>on the map which they might or might not...)

I think if the Founders could see what America is like today they'd
have made some adjustments to the Constitution, probably not the ones
I would expect, or that liberals would expect.

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