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Re: A Poor Supreme Court Decision

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 15:54 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:46:51 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:2a5a8htulofes9s39dp1c4iv8a9t9tt1p5@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:04:49 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
>>>news:mn568hdlubc1ssntia7q017l77159nesb9@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:37:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Is that the most recent Democrat you could come up with that I
>>>>>couldn't immediately point to fascist acts they've committed?
>>>>>Most likely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the /Republicans/ that have gone fascist.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is *Democrats* who are literally using the history of the
>>>>>rise to power of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 20s as a
>>>>>handbook.
>>>>>>
>>>> During the 1920 the Nazi SA were almost entirely engaging in
>>>> street battles vs their Communist counterparts.
>>>
>>>Yes. Perhaps you've hear of "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa,"
>>>though of course, you're not allowed to recognize their violent
>>>insurgency trying to overturn the 2016 election was exactly
>>>that.
>>
>> Nice Trump (Putin) Talking Point : that the BLM protests were
>> actually about /the 2016 election/ instead of about /bad police
>> behavior/?
>
>They joined in the insurgency trying to verturn the election. They
>both consider police, and the rule of law in general, The Enemy,
>after all.
>>
>> At least you are separating BLM from "Antifa" -- that is,
>> Anarchists. The usual T(P)TP is that they are the same.
>
>They're good friends, with some crossover.
>
>I notice you do not deny that Antifa is, in fact, a violent
>insurgency.

As I have noted before, up here in Seattle and also in Portland we
have had these guys and gals infiltrating peaceful demonstrations and
using them as cover for such activities as rushing out and breaking
windows for at least two decades. [1]

We are well-aware of their behavior patterns.

Still, at least they didn't destroy a lifetime of research, as the
eco-terrorists did back in (IIRC) the 90s.

As I have repeatedly said, there are wingnuts on /all/ sides.

[1] They did this dressed in black, often wearing other clothes over
the black except when actually doing their thing. We found the news
that the Italian police had arrested some demonstrators in Italy for
being Anarchists because they had black /underwear/ to be hilarious.
Italy really /is/ the land of comic opera.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 15:57 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:49:35 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:7g5a8hp4kjv5phkfc2ujmtcg9p9c2jp657@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 10:57:20 -0700, The Horny Goat
>> <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 17 May 2022 09:04:49 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
>>>>news:mn568hdlubc1ssntia7q017l77159nesb9@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 09:37:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is that the most recent Democrat you could come up with that
>>>>>>I couldn't immediately point to fascist acts they've
>>>>>>committed? Most likely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is the /Republicans/ that have gone fascist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is *Democrats* who are literally using the history of the
>>>>>>rise to power of the Nazi Party in Germany in the 20s as a
>>>>>>handbook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> During the 1920 the Nazi SA were almost entirely engaging in
>>>>> street battles vs their Communist counterparts.
>>>>
>>>>Yes. Perhaps you've hear of "Black Lives Matter" and "Antifa,"
>>>>though of course, you're not allowed to recognize their violent
>>>>insurgency trying to overturn the 2016 election was exactly
>>>>that.
>>>
>>>I was mostly disputing his mis-remembered chronology.
>>>
>>>My father was born on 30 January 1933 - I'm pretty sure I know
>>>who took power in Germany that day and what resulted from that.
>>>
>>>During the 1920s both Nazis and Communists were significant but
>>>not all that big minorities in Germany. They often fought each
>>>other but not normally the general population or even other
>>>political opponents (at least until the Night of the Long Knives
>>>and Kristalnacht which were of course 1933 and 1938 well after
>>>the 20s)
>>
>> At one point, I was introduced to a theory called "Critical
>> Points" (or whatever the now-forgotten Greek term could be
>> rendered as). This started out great, asserting that history was
>> a series of these points, the really big ones setting up echoes
>> before and after their occurrence.
>>
>> But as we got closer to the present, the events became ... less
>> impressive. The final example was, in fact, the street battles
>> of the 20s, and the necessity of supporting the Socialist
>> Workers.
>>
>> From the Crucifixion/Resurrection to morons battling in the
>> streets -- quite a decline.
>
>The more recent the event, the less time it's had to reverberate
>throughout history.

The exhortation to support the Socialists in their street wars was
made at the time (I was, of course, hearing about this about 50 years
later). The Great Leader of German Culture involved was using it to
promote his own political views.

>But they don't make troublemakers the way they used to, it's true.
>>
>> This, IIRC, was one of the events that convinced me that being
>> an intellectual and being stupid were perfectly compatible.
>
>As my father used to say, "Sometimes, a PhD just means you're a
>well educated idiot." (I'm always reminded of the Havard professor
>who swallowed whole the Nigerian Prince scam, and not only sent all
>his money, but scammed his family and friends out of $600,000 more.
>And still insisted in an interview, *from his prison cell*, that it
>was a legitimate deal, if only the government hadn't interfered.)

Yep. I am glad I eventually turned from that path. I much preferred
working for a living.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:01 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 17:51:56 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2022 22:32:17 -0400, J. Clarke
><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>You don't understand the issue. If black people ever achieved
>>equality they wouldn't need the Democrats to pretend to stand up for
>>them anymore. The Democrats have a vested interest in keeping them
>>down while throwing them symbolic gestures that don't actually change
>>anything.
>
>So are you suggesting this MIGHT be a temporary situation if Biden +
>other Democrats open the borders sufficiently to admit enough
>Hispanics not to need black support any more?
>
>Mathematically that >IS< the impact of the current policy if continued
>long enough.

Only if they ever get green cards and become citizens and avoid felony
convictions. Among other conditions.

I suspect the demographics suggest something like that will happen
even if no immigrants are allowed at all. Not even Trump's beloved
Norwegians.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:05 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:07:16 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
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>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>>>wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse
>>>> >> the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>>> >> Minneapolis.
>>>> >
>>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>>>
>>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>>
>>>Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>>
>>>As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>>>*by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>>>and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>>>Rittenhouse.
>>
>> There were two deaths during the George Floyd riots. Calvin
>> Horton Jr. was killed by a pawnshop owner who believed Horton
>> was burglarizing his business. Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. died from
>> smoke inhalation after being trapped in a burning building.
>>
>> I'm not sure where Chris got his 9-25+ number. Probably from
>> Jones.
>
>Not all the riots over Floyd's death were in Minneapolis. In fact,
>there were riots in many major cities, and many of them involved
>insurgents killing either random people, or specifically targeting
>police. The 9-25+ number is overall.

It's also rather ... vague.

But perhaps some PDs don't keep accurate records.
--
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"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:07 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba-ab7e-f7bfbdf63bd9n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse
>>> >> the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in Minneapolis.
>>> >
>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>>
>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>
>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>
>You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
>Narrative, and you know it.
>>
>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>> *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>> and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>> Rittenhouse.
>
>Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
>
>https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-people-who-
>have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
>
>https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
>
>It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable through
>indepent sources.
>
>Which you're not allowed to read.
>>
>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were buried
>> under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of the American
>> people caused by the death of George Floyd. It's understandable
>> that newspapers and reporters would not want to be thought
>> racist by spending too much time on things not supporting the
>> right narrative, but I will agree that this omission is a
>> failing.
>>
>It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted propaganda
>in support of a violent insurgency.

They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the victory
of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?

'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a very long
time.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:12 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:13:47 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>On 2022-05-18 2:02 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1, rpre...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>>>>>>> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>>>>
>>>>>> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>>>>> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>>>>> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>>
>>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>>
>>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>>
>>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/white-
>>> families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>>
>>> ] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed last
>>> ] week to run for the state Senate, said on his show last month
>>> ] that TV commercials were attempting to make him feel guilty
>>> ] because he thinks families should be all White.
>>> ...snip...
>>> ] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>> ] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I think a
>>> ] family should be a White mom, a White dad and White kids,"
>>> ] Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And they're
>>> ] going to try to do it through politics this year. Well, we have
>>> ] got to be just as smart."
>>>
>> So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero chance
>> to actually be elected, is now representative of all Republicans?
>
>He's representative of all the Republicans who don't immediately
>denounce him, yes.

To be fair, some Republican leaders probably /would/ have denounced
him -- after all, some of them denounced the guys who proclaimed that
-- incest is rare
-- rape victims control whether or not they get pregnant
-- a 30-something man courting 12-year-olds is perfectly acceptable
(the first two of which, at least, are part of the Traditional Family
Values of the 50s) -- but it is possible that he is so obscure that
none of them noticed.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:16 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:02:31 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1, rpre...@gmail.com
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> >> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>> >> >> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>> >
>>> >> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>> >> marriage.
>>> >>
>>> >> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>> >> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>> >> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>> [snip]
>>> >
>>> >Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>
>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>
>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>
>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/white-
>> families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>
>>] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed last
>>] week to run for the state Senate, said on his show last month
>>] that TV commercials were attempting to make him feel guilty
>>] because he thinks families should be all White.
>> ...snip...
>>] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I think a
>>] family should be a White mom, a White dad and White kids,"
>>] Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And they're
>>] going to try to do it through politics this year. Well, we have
>>] got to be just as smart."
>
>So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero chance
>to actually be elected, is now representative of all Republicans?

Nice defense, but my statement was quoted as:

> (Another high-quality candidate defined
> the family as "one /white/ man, one /white/ woman, and their
> children". The true meaning of "traditional family values" as
> understood by the Republican Party doesn't get much clearer than
> that.)

and that, at least, says nothing about his being "representative of
all Republicans".

I certainly hope not, as it appears otherpost that he has now decided
to infiltrate the Democratic Party. Stupid is as stupid does.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: David Johnston - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:40 UTC

On 2022-05-03 11:10 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> I read this news story the other day:
>
> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>
> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>
> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>
> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
> general community use until that point, a First Amendment
> claim could be countenanced.
>
> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for inoffensive,
> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
> potentially controversial to fly.
I'm sure that guy will be very happy that he just made it mandatory for
Boston to fly this flag

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QFkAAOSw4tBeXucw/s-l640.png

As soon as someone gets around to submitting the application.

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:07:16 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>news:N6ahK.61497$qMI1.18412@fx96.iad:
>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny
>>>>> > Goat wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
>>>>> >> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>>>> >> Minneapolis.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>>>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>>>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>>>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>>>
>>>>As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>>>>*by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>>>>and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>>>>Rittenhouse.
>>>
>>> There were two deaths during the George Floyd riots. Calvin
>>> Horton Jr. was killed by a pawnshop owner who believed Horton
>>> was burglarizing his business. Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. died
>>> from smoke inhalation after being trapped in a burning
>>> building.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure where Chris got his 9-25+ number. Probably from
>>> Jones.
>>
>>Not all the riots over Floyd's death were in Minneapolis. In
>>fact, there were riots in many major cities, and many of them
>>involved insurgents killing either random people, or
>>specifically targeting police. The 9-25+ number is overall.
>
> It's also rather ... vague.

it is, but there's absolutely no reason to believe Quaddie's
drooling idiocy that the insurgents didn't kill anyone.
>
> But perhaps some PDs don't keep accurate records.

It's more a matter of nobody consistently consolidating records
from police departments all over the country. The FBI, in theory,
should, but they have no reason to do so, or release it to the
public if they do. Especially now, with the Democrats in charge.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:47 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>>news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba-ab7e-f7bfbdf63bd9n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
>>>> >> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>>> >> Minneapolis.
>>>> >
>>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>>>
>>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>
>>You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
>>Narrative, and you know it.
>>>
>>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>>> *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>>> and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>>> Rittenhouse.
>>
>>Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
>>
>>https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-people-wh
>>o- have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
>>
>>https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
>>
>>It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable through
>>indepent sources.
>>
>>Which you're not allowed to read.
>>>
>>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were
>>> buried under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of the
>>> American people caused by the death of George Floyd. It's
>>> understandable that newspapers and reporters would not want to
>>> be thought racist by spending too much time on things not
>>> supporting the right narrative, but I will agree that this
>>> omission is a failing.
>>>
>>It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted
>>propaganda in support of a violent insurgency.
>
> They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the
> victory of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?
>
> 'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a very
> long time.

Not a single person has been prosecuted for insurgency. In a just
world, people like you would be sued to oblivion for libel for
perpetuating that lie.

Antifa/BLM, on the other hand, very publicly declared the goal of
their violence was to overturn the 2016 election. They never even
vaguely implied otherwise.

Dumbass.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:49 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:13:47 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-18 2:02 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>wrote:
>>> Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1,
>>>>>>>> rpre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>>>>>>>> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>>>>>> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>>>>>> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>>>
>>>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>>>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/whi
>>>> te- families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>>>
>>>> ] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed
>>>> ] last week to run for the state Senate, said on his show
>>>> ] last month that TV commercials were attempting to make him
>>>> ] feel guilty because he thinks families should be all White.
>>>> ...snip...
>>>> ] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>>> ] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I
>>>> ] think a family should be a White mom, a White dad and White
>>>> ] kids," Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And
>>>> ] they're going to try to do it through politics this year.
>>>> ] Well, we have got to be just as smart."
>>>>
>>> So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero
>>> chance to actually be elected, is now representative of all
>>> Republicans?
>>
>>He's representative of all the Republicans who don't immediately
>>denounce him, yes.
>
> To be fair, some Republican leaders probably /would/ have
> denounced him -- after all, some of them denounced the guys who
> proclaimed that -- incest is rare
> -- rape victims control whether or not they get pregnant
> -- a 30-something man courting 12-year-olds is perfectly
> acceptable (the first two of which, at least, are part of the
> Traditional Family Values of the 50s) -- but it is possible that
> he is so obscure that none of them noticed.

So the guy who just shot up a supermarket in Buffalo is
representative of all the Democrats who didn't immediately denounce
him? Including, specifically, you and Alan?

Might brave of you to publicly announce you approve of mass murder.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:51 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
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> On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:02:31 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> >On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1,
>>>> >> >rpre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> >> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>>> >> >> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>>> >
>>>> >> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>>> >> marriage.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>>> >> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>>> >> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>>> [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> >Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>>
>>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>>
>>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>>
>>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/whit
>>> e- families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>>
>>>] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed last
>>>] week to run for the state Senate, said on his show last month
>>>] that TV commercials were attempting to make him feel guilty
>>>] because he thinks families should be all White.
>>> ...snip...
>>>] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>>] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I think
>>>] a family should be a White mom, a White dad and White kids,"
>>>] Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And they're
>>>] going to try to do it through politics this year. Well, we
>>>] have got to be just as smart."
>>
>>So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero
>>chance to actually be elected, is now representative of all
>>Republicans?
>
> Nice defense,

And correct, as well.

> but my statement was quoted as:
>
>> (Another high-quality candidate

Yeah, he's a high quality candidate. Not for office, but a
candidate for *something*.

>defined
>> the family as "one /white/ man, one /white/ woman, and their
>> children". The true meaning of "traditional family values" as
>> understood by the Republican Party doesn't get much clearer
>> than that.)
>
> and that, at least, says nothing about his being "representative
> of all Republicans".

If it weren't implied, you wouldn't have brought it up in a
disccusion of all Republicans.
>
> I certainly hope not, as it appears otherpost that he has now
> decided to infiltrate the Democratic Party. Stupid is as stupid
> does.

So he's now representative of all Democrats who have no immediately
denounced him, including the leadership of the Democratic Party?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

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 by: David Johnston - Thu, 19 May 2022 17:13 UTC

On 2022-05-03 6:51 p.m., Magewolf wrote:
> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:11:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2022 12:10 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> I read this news story the other day:
>>>
>>> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-
> refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>>>
>>> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>>>
>>> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>>>
>>> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for general
>>> community use until that point, a First Amendment claim could be
>>> countenanced.
>>>
>>> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
>>> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for
>>> inoffensive,
>>> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>>> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>>> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>>> potentially controversial to fly.
>>>
>>> But that would mean that the Supreme Court made an erroneous finding of
>>> _fact_! Excuse me, but the Supreme Court is an *appelate*
>>> court; aren't findings of fact the job of the trial judge?
>>>
>>> However, while an appelate court can't overrule a finding of fact by
>>> the trial judge (which is why the wrongfully convicted often need *new
>>> trials*) I guess it can fill a vacuum left by the trial judge.
>>>
>>> Of course, this minor news story is now eclipsed by the alleged leak,
>>> in Politico, of a draft judgment overturning Roe vs Wade.
>>>
>>> While I am of the opinion that human life begins at syngamy, and should
>>> be given legal protection from about the seventh week of pregnancy
>>> (when brain circuits have started forming), I also recognize that the
>>> vast majority of the right-to-life movement seems to be more concerned
>>> about imposing sexual morality than protecting the lives of the unborn.
>>>
>>> Originally, I viewed this as merely unfortunate, and not affecting the
>>> urgency of the need to protect the lives of unborn children.
>>>
>>> My thinking was somewhat affected when I heard some major evangelical
>>> Christian groups saying they were abandoning the "lost" abortion fight
>>> to fight against something where they thought they still could win -
>>> gay marriage.
>>>
>>> And then came Trump. If Roe vs Wade is overturned by a court including
>>> Brett Kavanaugh, I can hardly blame many women for not feeling respect
>>> towards such a decision.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>
>> You are going to love this one, "Supreme Court has voted to overturn
>> abortion rights, draft opinion shows"
>>
>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-
> opinion-00029473
>>
>> Hat tip to:
>> https://www.drudgereport.com/
>>
>> Lynn
>
> The thing is that I think regardless of their opinion on abortion rights
> if you held a gun to most lawyers head while they were hooked up to a lie
> detector most would admit that Roe vs Wade was bad law. It was just
> propped up by politics.
>
>

So what's next? Do they also overturn Griswold which was the basis for
Roe?

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 by: David Johnston - Thu, 19 May 2022 17:14 UTC

On 2022-05-03 7:56 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 7:51 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:11:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/3/2022 12:10 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> I read this news story the other day:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-
>> refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>>>>
>>>> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for general
>>>> community use until that point, a First Amendment claim could be
>>>> countenanced.
>>>>
>>>> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
>>>> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for
>>>> inoffensive,
>>>> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>>>> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>>>> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>>>> potentially controversial to fly.
>>>>
>>>> But that would mean that the Supreme Court made an erroneous finding of
>>>> _fact_! Excuse me, but the Supreme Court is an *appelate*
>>>> court; aren't findings of fact the job of the trial judge?
>>>>
>>>> However, while an appelate court can't overrule a finding of fact by
>>>> the trial judge (which is why the wrongfully convicted often need *new
>>>> trials*) I guess it can fill a vacuum left by the trial judge.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, this minor news story is now eclipsed by the alleged leak,
>>>> in Politico, of a draft judgment overturning Roe vs Wade.
>>>>
>>>> While I am of the opinion that human life begins at syngamy, and should
>>>> be given legal protection from about the seventh week of pregnancy
>>>> (when brain circuits have started forming), I also recognize that the
>>>> vast majority of the right-to-life movement seems to be more concerned
>>>> about imposing sexual morality than protecting the lives of the unborn.
>>>>
>>>> Originally, I viewed this as merely unfortunate, and not affecting the
>>>> urgency of the need to protect the lives of unborn children.
>>>>
>>>> My thinking was somewhat affected when I heard some major evangelical
>>>> Christian groups saying they were abandoning the "lost" abortion fight
>>>> to fight against something where they thought they still could win -
>>>> gay marriage.
>>>>
>>>> And then came Trump. If Roe vs Wade is overturned by a court including
>>>> Brett Kavanaugh, I can hardly blame many women for not feeling respect
>>>> towards such a decision.
>>>>
>>>> John Savard
>>>>
>>>> John Savard
>>>
>>> You are going to love this one, "Supreme Court has voted to overturn
>>> abortion rights, draft opinion shows"
>>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-
>> opinion-00029473
>>>
>>> Hat tip to:
>>>      https://www.drudgereport.com/
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> The thing is that I think regardless of their opinion on abortion rights
>> if you held a gun to most lawyers head while they were hooked up to a lie
>> detector most would admit that Roe vs Wade was bad law.  It was just
>> propped up by politics.
>
> I would like to see a Privacy Amendment added to the Constitution.  That
> would solve this type of issue and start a whole lot more.
>

The American Constitution has fossilized now, though. There will be no
further amendments.

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> Only if they admit Hispanics who are on a path to citizenship.
> Noncitizens don't vote.

Children of illegals who are born on U.S. soil are citizens, so
just lax enforcement of immigration rules will work just fine -
although I regret having to make the talking points of MAGA
nut jobs for them, I give even the Devil his due, and point out
errors in logic no matter what side of the argument they appear
on.

John Savard

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 9:41:04 AM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> What "tectonic shift" would that be? Very briefly there was a flash
> of anti-police sentiment, but that has gone away in the face of
> increasing crime rates.

The one were some statues were removed and some streets
were renamed! Finally in its long history, the United States has
faced up to its legacy of racism, and real progress is about to
happen... what, it isn't?

John Savard

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:16:05 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:

> I certainly hope not, as it appears otherpost that he has now decided
> to infiltrate the Democratic Party. Stupid is as stupid does.

I've read some theorizing that he's trying to be a spoiler.

From https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Michigan
] Michigan state law stipulates that any voter may participate in a party's
] primary election, regardless of that voter's partisan affiliation.
] In Michigan, the winner of a primary election is the candidate who receives
] the greatest number of votes cast for that office, even if he or she does not
] win an outright majority of all votes cast.

So this idiot runs as a Democrat. Actual Democrats must therefore vote in
the Democratic primary to prevent the idiot from winning. This prevents
Michigan Democrats from voting in the Republican primary, where they
could either vote for a less-insane Republican so they can stomach it if
they win in the general, or vote *for* an insane Republican so that it's
easier for the Democrat to beat them in the general. Either way, with
this insane white supremacist running as a Democrat, they can't risk him
winning, so they must vote Democrat and let the Republicans choose their own.

In other words, this white supremacist is angling to make the open primary
into a de facto closed one.

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On 5/19/2022 12:14 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2022-05-03 7:56 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/3/2022 7:51 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:11:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/3/2022 12:10 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> I read this news story the other day:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-
>>> refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>>>>>
>>>>> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
>>>>> general
>>>>> community use until that point, a First Amendment claim could be
>>>>> countenanced.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
>>>>> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for
>>>>> inoffensive,
>>>>> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>>>>> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>>>>> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>>>>> potentially controversial to fly.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that would mean that the Supreme Court made an erroneous
>>>>> finding of
>>>>> _fact_! Excuse me, but the Supreme Court is an *appelate*
>>>>> court; aren't findings of fact the job of the trial judge?
>>>>>
>>>>> However, while an appelate court can't overrule a finding of fact by
>>>>> the trial judge (which is why the wrongfully convicted often need *new
>>>>> trials*) I guess it can fill a vacuum left by the trial judge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, this minor news story is now eclipsed by the alleged leak,
>>>>> in Politico, of a draft judgment overturning Roe vs Wade.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I am of the opinion that human life begins at syngamy, and
>>>>> should
>>>>> be given legal protection from about the seventh week of pregnancy
>>>>> (when brain circuits have started forming), I also recognize that the
>>>>> vast majority of the right-to-life movement seems to be more concerned
>>>>> about imposing sexual morality than protecting the lives of the
>>>>> unborn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Originally, I viewed this as merely unfortunate, and not affecting the
>>>>> urgency of the need to protect the lives of unborn children.
>>>>>
>>>>> My thinking was somewhat affected when I heard some major evangelical
>>>>> Christian groups saying they were abandoning the "lost" abortion fight
>>>>> to fight against something where they thought they still could win -
>>>>> gay marriage.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then came Trump. If Roe vs Wade is overturned by a court including
>>>>> Brett Kavanaugh, I can hardly blame many women for not feeling respect
>>>>> towards such a decision.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>
>>>>> John Savard
>>>>
>>>> You are going to love this one, "Supreme Court has voted to overturn
>>>> abortion rights, draft opinion shows"
>>>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-
>>> opinion-00029473
>>>>
>>>> Hat tip to:
>>>>      https://www.drudgereport.com/
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> The thing is that I think regardless of their opinion on abortion rights
>>> if you held a gun to most lawyers head while they were hooked up to a
>>> lie
>>> detector most would admit that Roe vs Wade was bad law.  It was just
>>> propped up by politics.
>>
>> I would like to see a Privacy Amendment added to the Constitution.
>> That would solve this type of issue and start a whole lot more.
>>
>
> The American Constitution has fossilized now, though.  There will be no
> further amendments.

I would not hold my breath on that. There is a big fight about the ERA
amendment coming.
https://msmagazine.com/2022/01/27/equal-rights-amendment-resolution-us-house-28th-amendment-constitution/
and
https://www.germanna.edu/blog/highlights/should-virginias-pivotal-vote-to-ratify-the-equal-rights-amendment-be-upheld/

Lynn

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Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a6af236d-2d21-41d9-b8b4-7eaa24a23b47n@googlegroups.com:

> In other words, this white supremacist is angling to make the
> open primary into a de facto closed one.
>
Many would consider that a good thing. Open primaries have certainly
made certain that nobody can get elected in California who is not an
obedient party soldier.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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> Ross Presser <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:a6af236d-2d21-41d9...@googlegroups.com:

>> In other words, this white supremacist is angling to make the
>> open primary into a de facto closed one.
>>
>Many would consider that a good thing. Open primaries have certainly
>made certain that nobody can get elected in California who is not an
>obedient party soldier.

So sidelining state law is a good thing as long as you, Terry, like the
outcome. Got it.

It's difficult for me to imagine any more obedient party soldier than
you. You spend countless unpaid hours here attempting to belittle and
confuse all other rec.arts.sf.written readers, and to what end? To be
the least believed joke on Usenet?

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On 2022-05-19, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:07:16 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>>news:N6ahK.61497$qMI1.18412@fx96.iad:
>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse
>>>>> >> the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>>>> >> Minneapolis.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>>>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>>>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>>>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>>>
>>>>As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>>>>*by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>>>>and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>>>>Rittenhouse.
>>>
>>> There were two deaths during the George Floyd riots. Calvin
>>> Horton Jr. was killed by a pawnshop owner who believed Horton
>>> was burglarizing his business. Oscar Lee Stewart Jr. died from
>>> smoke inhalation after being trapped in a burning building.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure where Chris got his 9-25+ number. Probably from
>>> Jones.
>>
>>Not all the riots over Floyd's death were in Minneapolis. In fact,
>>there were riots in many major cities, and many of them involved
>>insurgents killing either random people, or specifically targeting
>>police. The 9-25+ number is overall.
>
> It's also rather ... vague.
>
> But perhaps some PDs don't keep accurate records.

No. The problem, like so many things, is rooted in the definition
of killed because of the riots. A similar range for the Jan 6
riot might be 1-9. If we use the definition of some conservatives
for Jan 6 (ie, 1) then the number for the BLM riots might be as low as 9,
though I would say it's a bit higher even with that definition. If we
use the definition of some liberals like AOC (ie, 9) then the number
would be 25+. Just trying to keep this part of the argument
political-view free!

I wouldn't expect police departments to keep track of things like
strokes or drug overdoses or suicides 6 months later of participants
so we can't get a full comparative figure. (They do keep track of
things like injured police officers, which is a bit over 2000 for the
BLM riots.)

Chris

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On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:47:20 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:lnqc8hd8evedk6n3d...@4ax.com:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> > Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> >>news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba...@googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
> >>>> >> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
> >>>> >> Minneapolis.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
> >>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
> >>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
> >>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
> >>>
> >>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
> >>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
> >>
> >>You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
> >>Narrative, and you know it.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
> >>> *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
> >>> and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
> >>> Rittenhouse.
> >>
> >>Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
> >>
> >>https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-people-wh
> >>o- have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
> >>
> >>https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
> >>
> >>It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable through
> >>indepent sources.
> >>
> >>Which you're not allowed to read.
> >>>
> >>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were
> >>> buried under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of the
> >>> American people caused by the death of George Floyd. It's
> >>> understandable that newspapers and reporters would not want to
> >>> be thought racist by spending too much time on things not
> >>> supporting the right narrative, but I will agree that this
> >>> omission is a failing.
> >>>
> >>It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted
> >>propaganda in support of a violent insurgency.
> >
> > They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the
> > victory of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?
> >
> > 'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a very
> > long time.
> Not a single person has been prosecuted for insurgency. In a just
> world, people like you would be sued to oblivion for libel for
> perpetuating that lie.
>
> Antifa/BLM, on the other hand, very publicly declared the goal of
> their violence was to overturn the 2016 election. They never even
> vaguely implied otherwise.

The actual term for the crime is 'seditious conspiracy', and indeed,
11 'Oath Keepers have been charged.

https://www.vox.com/2022/1/16/22886516/stewart-rhodes-seditious-conspiracy-january-6-oath-keepers

That was two months ago, yet dumbasses like you keep repeating
Tucker Carlson talking points.

pt

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On 2022-05-19, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:47:20 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:lnqc8hd8evedk6n3d...@4ax.com:
>> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> > Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> >>news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba...@googlegroups.com:
>> >>
>> >>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
>> >>>> >> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>> >>>> >> Minneapolis.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>> >>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>> >>>> > about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>> >>>> > indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>> >>>
>> >>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>> >>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>> >>
>> >>You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
>> >>Narrative, and you know it.
>> >>>
>> >>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>> >>> *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>> >>> and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>> >>> Rittenhouse.
>> >>
>> >>Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
>> >>
>> >>https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-people-wh
>> >>o- have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
>> >>
>> >>https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
>> >>
>> >>It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable through
>> >>indepent sources.
>> >>
>> >>Which you're not allowed to read.
>> >>>
>> >>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were
>> >>> buried under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of the
>> >>> American people caused by the death of George Floyd. It's
>> >>> understandable that newspapers and reporters would not want to
>> >>> be thought racist by spending too much time on things not
>> >>> supporting the right narrative, but I will agree that this
>> >>> omission is a failing.
>> >>>
>> >>It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted
>> >>propaganda in support of a violent insurgency.
>> >
>> > They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the
>> > victory of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?
>> >
>> > 'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a very
>> > long time.
>> Not a single person has been prosecuted for insurgency. In a just
>> world, people like you would be sued to oblivion for libel for
>> perpetuating that lie.
>>
>> Antifa/BLM, on the other hand, very publicly declared the goal of
>> their violence was to overturn the 2016 election. They never even
>> vaguely implied otherwise.
>
> The actual term for the crime is 'seditious conspiracy', and indeed,
> 11 'Oath Keepers have been charged.
>
> https://www.vox.com/2022/1/16/22886516/stewart-rhodes-seditious-conspiracy-january-6-oath-keepers
>
> That was two months ago, yet dumbasses like you keep repeating
> Tucker Carlson talking points.

No. Insurrection is a crime. Seditious conspiracy is a different crime.
No one has yet been charged with insurrection.

Chris

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 by: Jibini Kula Tumbili - Thu, 19 May 2022 20:40 UTC

Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
news:3cb8f6ac-2132-4ca8-b508-8f5f2c38b705n@googlegroups.com:

>> Ross Presser <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:a6af236d-2d21-41d9...@googlegroups.com:
>
>>> In other words, this white supremacist is angling to make the
>>> open primary into a de facto closed one.
>>>
>>Many would consider that a good thing. Open primaries have
>>certainly made certain that nobody can get elected in California
>>who is not an obedient party soldier.
>
> So sidelining state law is a good thing as long as you, Terry,
> like the outcome. Got it.

You're hallucinating. Again. That's not even remotely close to
anything I've said.

Of course, it's more than just "open primaries," it's also "top two
go on the final ballot," but the combination (plus term limits,
which guarantee that no elected official is around long enough to
really understand the system, and basically put professional,
nameless, faceless bureaucrats in charge of the state government)
is that there will *always* be *only* Democrats on the ballot
(outside of a handful of counties, like The OC, and rural counties
up north). And those Democrats have no chance of getting on the
final ballot without party backing (at the state level, at the
local level, it's a more fair game), and *only* loyal party
soldiers get party backing.

Now, granted, this all came about because, by and large, California
Republicans make suicide bombers look sane and normal, but it used
to be and a moderate could, maybe, if they were lucky, get enough
support to swithc parties and run as a Republican, if the
entrenched incumbent pissed people off enough. But no more.

And that's why Californis is even more fucked up now than it was 20
years ago.
>
> It's difficult for me to imagine any more obedient party soldier
> than you. You spend countless unpaid hours here attempting to
> belittle and confuse all other rec.arts.sf.written readers, and
> to what end? To be the least believed joke on Usenet?
>
You're projecting, son. Like a good little sheeple.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote in
news:jenm1fFg8pkU4@mid.individual.net:

> On 2022-05-19, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:47:20 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
>> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>> news:lnqc8hd8evedk6n3d...@4ax.com:
>>> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>> > Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>>> >>news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba...@googlegroups.com:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris
>>> >>> Buckley wrote:
>>> >>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> >>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny
>>> >>>> > Goat wrote:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
>>> >>>> >> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>> >>>> >> Minneapolis.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>> >>>> > looting, there is a general consensus that to make a
>>> >>>> > fuss about that in the face of the death of a human
>>> >>>> > being is... indecent, and shows bigotry against black
>>> >>>> > people.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed
>>> >>>> in those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>> >>
>>> >>You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
>>> >>Narrative, and you know it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the
>>> >>> riots *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by
>>> >>> the police, and, of course, there were the people killed
>>> >>> by Kyle Rittenhouse.
>>> >>
>>> >>Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
>>> >>
>>> >>https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-peopl
>>> >>e-wh o- have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
>>> >>
>>> >>https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
>>> >>
>>> >>It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable
>>> >>through indepent sources.
>>> >>
>>> >>Which you're not allowed to read.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were
>>> >>> buried under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of
>>> >>> the American people caused by the death of George Floyd.
>>> >>> It's understandable that newspapers and reporters would
>>> >>> not want to be thought racist by spending too much time on
>>> >>> things not supporting the right narrative, but I will
>>> >>> agree that this omission is a failing.
>>> >>>
>>> >>It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted
>>> >>propaganda in support of a violent insurgency.
>>> >
>>> > They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the
>>> > victory of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?
>>> >
>>> > 'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a
>>> > very long time.
>>> Not a single person has been prosecuted for insurgency. In a
>>> just world, people like you would be sued to oblivion for
>>> libel for perpetuating that lie.
>>>
>>> Antifa/BLM, on the other hand, very publicly declared the goal
>>> of their violence was to overturn the 2016 election. They
>>> never even vaguely implied otherwise.
>>
>> The actual term for the crime is 'seditious conspiracy', and
>> indeed, 11 'Oath Keepers have been charged.
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2022/1/16/22886516/stewart-rhodes-seditious-
>> conspiracy-january-6-oath-keepers
>>
>> That was two months ago, yet dumbasses like you keep repeating
>> Tucker Carlson talking points.
>
> No. Insurrection is a crime. Seditious conspiracy is a
> different crime. No one has yet been charged with insurrection.

And no one will be, since such a charge could not be sustained.

18 U.S.C. � 2383 Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
defamation.

But lying is a core value of the left, so there's no surprise.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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