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Re: A Poor Supreme Court Decision

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From: davidjoh...@yahoo.com (David Johnston)
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Subject: Re: A Poor Supreme Court Decision
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 18:29:51 -0600
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 by: David Johnston - Fri, 20 May 2022 00:29 UTC

On 2022-05-19 12:26 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 12:14 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-05-03 7:56 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2022 7:51 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:11:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/3/2022 12:10 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>> I read this news story the other day:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-
>>>> refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
>>>>>> general
>>>>>> community use until that point, a First Amendment claim could be
>>>>>> countenanced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the
>>>>>> city,
>>>>>> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for
>>>>>> inoffensive,
>>>>>> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>>>>>> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>>>>>> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>>>>>> potentially controversial to fly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that would mean that the Supreme Court made an erroneous
>>>>>> finding of
>>>>>> _fact_! Excuse me, but the Supreme Court is an *appelate*
>>>>>> court; aren't findings of fact the job of the trial judge?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, while an appelate court can't overrule a finding of fact by
>>>>>> the trial judge (which is why the wrongfully convicted often need
>>>>>> *new
>>>>>> trials*) I guess it can fill a vacuum left by the trial judge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, this minor news story is now eclipsed by the alleged leak,
>>>>>> in Politico, of a draft judgment overturning Roe vs Wade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I am of the opinion that human life begins at syngamy, and
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be given legal protection from about the seventh week of pregnancy
>>>>>> (when brain circuits have started forming), I also recognize that the
>>>>>> vast majority of the right-to-life movement seems to be more
>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>> about imposing sexual morality than protecting the lives of the
>>>>>> unborn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Originally, I viewed this as merely unfortunate, and not affecting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> urgency of the need to protect the lives of unborn children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My thinking was somewhat affected when I heard some major evangelical
>>>>>> Christian groups saying they were abandoning the "lost" abortion
>>>>>> fight
>>>>>> to fight against something where they thought they still could win -
>>>>>> gay marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then came Trump. If Roe vs Wade is overturned by a court
>>>>>> including
>>>>>> Brett Kavanaugh, I can hardly blame many women for not feeling
>>>>>> respect
>>>>>> towards such a decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>
>>>>> You are going to love this one, "Supreme Court has voted to overturn
>>>>> abortion rights, draft opinion shows"
>>>>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-
>>>> opinion-00029473
>>>>>
>>>>> Hat tip to:
>>>>>      https://www.drudgereport.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> The thing is that I think regardless of their opinion on abortion
>>>> rights
>>>> if you held a gun to most lawyers head while they were hooked up to
>>>> a lie
>>>> detector most would admit that Roe vs Wade was bad law.  It was just
>>>> propped up by politics.
>>>
>>> I would like to see a Privacy Amendment added to the Constitution.
>>> That would solve this type of issue and start a whole lot more.
>>>
>>
>> The American Constitution has fossilized now, though.  There will be
>> no further amendments.
>
> I would not hold my breath on that.  There is a big fight about the ERA
> amendment coming.
>
> https://msmagazine.com/2022/01/27/equal-rights-amendment-resolution-us-house-28th-amendment-constitution/
>
> and
>
> https://www.germanna.edu/blog/highlights/should-virginias-pivotal-vote-to-ratify-the-equal-rights-amendment-be-upheld/
>
>
> Lynn
>

There will continue to be talk about amending the American constitution.
It just will always fail when tried. In order to succeed the two
parties would have to agree on something.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 20 May 2022 02:08 UTC

On 5/19/2022 7:29 PM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2022-05-19 12:26 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 5/19/2022 12:14 PM, David Johnston wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-03 7:56 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 5/3/2022 7:51 PM, Magewolf wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 May 2022 14:11:16 -0500, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/3/2022 12:10 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>>> I read this news story the other day:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-
>>>>> refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> community use until that point, a First Amendment claim could be
>>>>>>> countenanced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the
>>>>>>> city,
>>>>>>> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for
>>>>>>> inoffensive,
>>>>>>> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>>>>>>> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>>>>>>> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>>>>>>> potentially controversial to fly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that would mean that the Supreme Court made an erroneous
>>>>>>> finding of
>>>>>>> _fact_! Excuse me, but the Supreme Court is an *appelate*
>>>>>>> court; aren't findings of fact the job of the trial judge?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, while an appelate court can't overrule a finding of fact by
>>>>>>> the trial judge (which is why the wrongfully convicted often need
>>>>>>> *new
>>>>>>> trials*) I guess it can fill a vacuum left by the trial judge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, this minor news story is now eclipsed by the alleged
>>>>>>> leak,
>>>>>>> in Politico, of a draft judgment overturning Roe vs Wade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I am of the opinion that human life begins at syngamy, and
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be given legal protection from about the seventh week of pregnancy
>>>>>>> (when brain circuits have started forming), I also recognize that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> vast majority of the right-to-life movement seems to be more
>>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>>> about imposing sexual morality than protecting the lives of the
>>>>>>> unborn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Originally, I viewed this as merely unfortunate, and not
>>>>>>> affecting the
>>>>>>> urgency of the need to protect the lives of unborn children.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My thinking was somewhat affected when I heard some major
>>>>>>> evangelical
>>>>>>> Christian groups saying they were abandoning the "lost" abortion
>>>>>>> fight
>>>>>>> to fight against something where they thought they still could win -
>>>>>>> gay marriage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then came Trump. If Roe vs Wade is overturned by a court
>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>> Brett Kavanaugh, I can hardly blame many women for not feeling
>>>>>>> respect
>>>>>>> towards such a decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are going to love this one, "Supreme Court has voted to overturn
>>>>>> abortion rights, draft opinion shows"
>>>>>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-
>>>>>>
>>>>> opinion-00029473
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hat tip to:
>>>>>>      https://www.drudgereport.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is that I think regardless of their opinion on abortion
>>>>> rights
>>>>> if you held a gun to most lawyers head while they were hooked up to
>>>>> a lie
>>>>> detector most would admit that Roe vs Wade was bad law.  It was just
>>>>> propped up by politics.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see a Privacy Amendment added to the Constitution.
>>>> That would solve this type of issue and start a whole lot more.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The American Constitution has fossilized now, though.  There will be
>>> no further amendments.
>>
>> I would not hold my breath on that.  There is a big fight about the
>> ERA amendment coming.
>>
>> https://msmagazine.com/2022/01/27/equal-rights-amendment-resolution-us-house-28th-amendment-constitution/
>>
>> and
>>
>> https://www.germanna.edu/blog/highlights/should-virginias-pivotal-vote-to-ratify-the-equal-rights-amendment-be-upheld/
>>
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>
> There will continue to be talk about amending the American constitution.
>  It just will always fail when tried.  In order to succeed the two
> parties would have to agree on something.

Sure, the two halves of the War Party ? They continuously agree on War.

Lynn

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:52 UTC

On 2022-05-19 9:47 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:lnqc8hd8evedk6n3d3b5h9m3bl0vb3iho5@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>>> news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba-ab7e-f7bfbdf63bd9n@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
>>>>>>> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>>>>>> Minneapolis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>>>>> looting, there is a general consensus that to make a fuss
>>>>>> about that in the face of the death of a human being is...
>>>>>> indecent, and shows bigotry against black people.
>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in
>>>>> those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>>
>>> You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
>>> Narrative, and you know it.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots
>>>> *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by the police,
>>>> and, of course, there were the people killed by Kyle
>>>> Rittenhouse.
>>>
>>> Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
>>>
>>> https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-people-wh
>>> o- have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
>>>
>>> It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable through
>>> indepent sources.
>>>
>>> Which you're not allowed to read.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were
>>>> buried under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of the
>>>> American people caused by the death of George Floyd. It's
>>>> understandable that newspapers and reporters would not want to
>>>> be thought racist by spending too much time on things not
>>>> supporting the right narrative, but I will agree that this
>>>> omission is a failing.
>>>>
>>> It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted
>>> propaganda in support of a violent insurgency.
>>
>> They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the
>> victory of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?
>>
>> 'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a very
>> long time.
>
> Not a single person has been prosecuted for insurgency. In a just
> world, people like you would be sued to oblivion for libel for
> perpetuating that lie.

You think that unless someone is charged with a crime that means
something didn't happen?

>
> Antifa/BLM, on the other hand, very publicly declared the goal of
> their violence was to overturn the 2016 election. They never even
> vaguely implied otherwise.

Was anyone in that group charged with "insurgency" (actually
"insurrection")?

No? Well then I guess it can't have happened.

:-)

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:53 UTC

On 2022-05-19 9:49 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
> news:qsqc8h9ahmk8muptbr6j1gqho9fk4q209l@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:13:47 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-18 2:02 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>>>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1,
>>>>>>>>> rpre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>>>>>>>>> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>>>>>>> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>>>>>>> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>>>>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/whi
>>>>> te- families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>>>>
>>>>> ] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed
>>>>> ] last week to run for the state Senate, said on his show
>>>>> ] last month that TV commercials were attempting to make him
>>>>> ] feel guilty because he thinks families should be all White.
>>>>> ...snip...
>>>>> ] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>>>> ] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I
>>>>> ] think a family should be a White mom, a White dad and White
>>>>> ] kids," Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And
>>>>> ] they're going to try to do it through politics this year.
>>>>> ] Well, we have got to be just as smart."
>>>>>
>>>> So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero
>>>> chance to actually be elected, is now representative of all
>>>> Republicans?
>>>
>>> He's representative of all the Republicans who don't immediately
>>> denounce him, yes.
>>
>> To be fair, some Republican leaders probably /would/ have
>> denounced him -- after all, some of them denounced the guys who
>> proclaimed that -- incest is rare
>> -- rape victims control whether or not they get pregnant
>> -- a 30-something man courting 12-year-olds is perfectly
>> acceptable (the first two of which, at least, are part of the
>> Traditional Family Values of the 50s) -- but it is possible that
>> he is so obscure that none of them noticed.
>
> So the guy who just shot up a supermarket in Buffalo is
> representative of all the Democrats who didn't immediately denounce
> him? Including, specifically, you and Alan?
>

What errant twaddle.

> Might brave of you to publicly announce you approve of mass murder.
>

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On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote in
> news:jenm1fFg8pkU4@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 2022-05-19, pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:47:20 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
>>> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>> news:lnqc8hd8evedk6n3d...@4ax.com:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:27 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>>> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>>>>>> news:1cae01fb-9a3b-4eba...@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris
>>>>>>> Buckley wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny
>>>>>>>>> Goat wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you
>>>>>>>>>> excuse the widespread rioting after the Floyd death in
>>>>>>>>>> Minneapolis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While there was indeed widespread property damage and
>>>>>>>>> looting, there is a general consensus that to make a
>>>>>>>>> fuss about that in the face of the death of a human
>>>>>>>>> being is... indecent, and shows bigotry against black
>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed
>>>>>>>> in those riots? You seem to be ignoring them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not allowed to read anything that doesn't feed The
>>>>>> Narrative, and you know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the
>>>>>>> riots *by the rioters*; there may have been killings by
>>>>>>> the police, and, of course, there were the people killed
>>>>>>> by Kyle Rittenhouse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Faux News has the most comprehensive list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.fox6now.com/news/deadly-unrest-here-are-the-peopl
>>>>>> e-wh o- have-died-amid-george-floyd-protests-across-us
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3j3d3jyj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It *is* Faux News, but these names are easily verifiable
>>>>>> through indepent sources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which you're not allowed to read.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were
>>>>>>> buried under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of
>>>>>>> the American people caused by the death of George Floyd.
>>>>>>> It's understandable that newspapers and reporters would
>>>>>>> not want to be thought racist by spending too much time on
>>>>>>> things not supporting the right narrative, but I will
>>>>>>> agree that this omission is a failing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's far more than a failing. It's deliberately crafted
>>>>>> propaganda in support of a violent insurgency.
>>>>>
>>>>> They were attempting to prevent Congress from certifying the
>>>>> victory of Joe Biden on 1/6/21?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Cause that's the only /insurgency/ in this country for a
>>>>> very long time.
>>>> Not a single person has been prosecuted for insurgency. In a
>>>> just world, people like you would be sued to oblivion for
>>>> libel for perpetuating that lie.
>>>>
>>>> Antifa/BLM, on the other hand, very publicly declared the goal
>>>> of their violence was to overturn the 2016 election. They
>>>> never even vaguely implied otherwise.
>>>
>>> The actual term for the crime is 'seditious conspiracy', and
>>> indeed, 11 'Oath Keepers have been charged.
>>>
>>> https://www.vox.com/2022/1/16/22886516/stewart-rhodes-seditious-
>>> conspiracy-january-6-oath-keepers
>>>
>>> That was two months ago, yet dumbasses like you keep repeating
>>> Tucker Carlson talking points.
>>
>> No. Insurrection is a crime. Seditious conspiracy is a
>> different crime. No one has yet been charged with insurrection.
>
> And no one will be, since such a charge could not be sustained.
>
> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>
> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>
> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
> defamation.

How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
"rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
THEREOF".

It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.

>
> But lying is a core value of the left, so there's no surprise.

Yet more slander from Terry!
>

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 by: Chris Buckley - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:02 UTC

On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>
>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>>
>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>> defamation.
>
> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
> THEREOF".
>
> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.

Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
it.

Of course, there are differences in the two cases. For example, Al
Gore and the Florida Supreme Court were explicitly told by the US
Supreme Court that what they were doing was illegal. Then they went
and did it again, at which point the US Supreme Court declared Bush
the winner, with not a single US Supreme Court justice supporting
Gore's position.

For the record, I consider both Trump and Gore's efforts to be
baseless.

On a related side note, the _Washington Post_ is often amusing. A
month or two ago there was yet another column going through the
reasons that Gore actually won the 2000 election. The juxtaposition
of this with the columns saying that we need laws to stop
misinformation like Trump's Big Lie is ... interesting.

Chris

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On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>>
>>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>>>
>>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>>> defamation.
>>
>> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
>> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
>> THEREOF".
>>
>> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>
> Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
> unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
> of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
> it.

Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?

Nope!

>
> Of course, there are differences in the two cases. For example, Al
> Gore and the Florida Supreme Court were explicitly told by the US
> Supreme Court that what they were doing was illegal. Then they went
> and did it again, at which point the US Supreme Court declared Bush
> the winner, with not a single US Supreme Court justice supporting
> Gore's position.
>
> For the record, I consider both Trump and Gore's efforts to be
> baseless.

Courts differing on what is "legal" is a very different thing that armed
insurrectionists invading a building.

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:47 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 11:41:01 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:03:32 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-6, Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-17, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> > On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 9:19:25 PM UTC-6, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On the other hand you are showing your bias when you excuse the
>>> >> widespread rioting after the Floyd death in Minneapolis.
>>> >
>>> > While there was indeed widespread property damage and looting, there
>>> > is a general consensus that to make a fuss about that in the face of the
>>> > death of a human being is... indecent, and shows bigotry against black
>>> > people.
>>
>>> As opposed to making a fuss about the 9-25+ people killed in those riots?
>>> You seem to be ignoring them.
>>
>>Perhaps I have been reading biased news stories.
>>
>>As far as I knew, not one person had been killed in the riots *by the
>>rioters*; there may have been killings by the police, and, of course,
>>there were the people killed by Kyle Rittenhouse.
>>
>>I suppose that if this is not the case, these deaths were buried
>>under the tectonic shift in the consciousness of the American
>>people caused by the death of George Floyd.
>
>What "tectonic shift" would that be? Very briefly there was a flash
>of anti-police sentiment, but that has gone away in the face of
>increasing crime rates.

Just keep repeating those Trump (Putin) Talking Points!

On Nextdoor, you would get a lot of agreement ... but the cause would
not be anti-police sentiment, it would be homeless-coddling.

It is, however, true that the more extreme plans have been redone.
Those that existed only in the minds of Trump and the Republicans were
redone before they even existed.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:52 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 09:49:11 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:qsqc8h9ahmk8muptbr6j1gqho9fk4q209l@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:13:47 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-05-18 2:02 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>wrote:
>>>> Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>>>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1,
>>>>>>>>> rpre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>>>>>>>>> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>>>>>>> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>>>>>>> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>>>>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/whi
>>>>> te- families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>>>>
>>>>> ] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed
>>>>> ] last week to run for the state Senate, said on his show
>>>>> ] last month that TV commercials were attempting to make him
>>>>> ] feel guilty because he thinks families should be all White.
>>>>> ...snip...
>>>>> ] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>>>> ] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I
>>>>> ] think a family should be a White mom, a White dad and White
>>>>> ] kids," Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And
>>>>> ] they're going to try to do it through politics this year.
>>>>> ] Well, we have got to be just as smart."
>>>>>
>>>> So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero
>>>> chance to actually be elected, is now representative of all
>>>> Republicans?
>>>
>>>He's representative of all the Republicans who don't immediately
>>>denounce him, yes.
>>
>> To be fair, some Republican leaders probably /would/ have
>> denounced him -- after all, some of them denounced the guys who
>> proclaimed that -- incest is rare
>> -- rape victims control whether or not they get pregnant
>> -- a 30-something man courting 12-year-olds is perfectly
>> acceptable (the first two of which, at least, are part of the
>> Traditional Family Values of the 50s) -- but it is possible that
>> he is so obscure that none of them noticed.
>
>So the guy who just shot up a supermarket in Buffalo is
>representative of all the Democrats who didn't immediately denounce
>him? Including, specifically, you and Alan?
>
>Might brave of you to publicly announce you approve of mass murder.

I can't speak for Alan, but I am certainly not "prominent".

Nor a member of any political or ideological Party.

I am hoping this isn't the guy who did it because of "replacement
theory" because, if he was, it is the /Republicans/ whose prominent
members need to denounce him. And quite possibly have, who can say?

That one is, after all, a man after their own heart -- a stalwart
member of the Republican Base.

So, apparently you are referring someone who shot up a supermarket
because, oh, say, because they sold grits.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 May 2022 16:02 UTC

On 2022-05-20 8:52 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 09:49:11 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>> news:qsqc8h9ahmk8muptbr6j1gqho9fk4q209l@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:13:47 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-18 2:02 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:60cb7ffe-e937-43e0-82c0-35a7a5997c71n@googlegroups.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:13:57 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
>>>>>>> <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:12:46 PM UTC-4, Paul S
>>>>>>>> Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 20:40:04 UTC+1,
>>>>>>>>>> rpre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I still would like a cite for "one /white/ man, one
>>>>>>>>>>> /white/ woman, and their children"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <snippo> It was the /family/ that was being defined, not
>>>>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To the best of my recollection, it was a candidate in the
>>>>>>>>> Republican Primary for a State-level office. Possibly in
>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin, although quite possibly not.
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sigh. Any idea *when*? 2022? 2021? 2016?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2022. Possibly in May, more likely in April.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is /current events/, not past history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I found it! Michigan state Senate, not Wisconsin.
>>>>>> https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/24/whi
>>>>>> te- families-michigan-senate-candidate/7410621001/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ] Randy Bishop, a right-wing Michigan radio host who filed
>>>>>> ] last week to run for the state Senate, said on his show
>>>>>> ] last month that TV commercials were attempting to make him
>>>>>> ] feel guilty because he thinks families should be all White.
>>>>>> ...snip...
>>>>>> ] "Can't even watch a college basketball tournament without
>>>>>> ] commercials telling me I have to feel guilty because I
>>>>>> ] think a family should be a White mom, a White dad and White
>>>>>> ] kids," Bishop said. "They want us to die and go away. And
>>>>>> ] they're going to try to do it through politics this year.
>>>>>> ] Well, we have got to be just as smart."
>>>>>>
>>>>> So, someone who doesn't matter and never will, who has zero
>>>>> chance to actually be elected, is now representative of all
>>>>> Republicans?
>>>>
>>>> He's representative of all the Republicans who don't immediately
>>>> denounce him, yes.
>>>
>>> To be fair, some Republican leaders probably /would/ have
>>> denounced him -- after all, some of them denounced the guys who
>>> proclaimed that -- incest is rare
>>> -- rape victims control whether or not they get pregnant
>>> -- a 30-something man courting 12-year-olds is perfectly
>>> acceptable (the first two of which, at least, are part of the
>>> Traditional Family Values of the 50s) -- but it is possible that
>>> he is so obscure that none of them noticed.
>>
>> So the guy who just shot up a supermarket in Buffalo is
>> representative of all the Democrats who didn't immediately denounce
>> him? Including, specifically, you and Alan?
>>
>> Might brave of you to publicly announce you approve of mass murder.
>
> I can't speak for Alan, but I am certainly not "prominent".

Well, being intelligent and articulate, we are "prominent" in Terry's
list of enemies.

:-)

>
> Nor a member of any political or ideological Party.
>
> I am hoping this isn't the guy who did it because of "replacement
> theory" because, if he was, it is the /Republicans/ whose prominent
> members need to denounce him. And quite possibly have, who can say?
>
> That one is, after all, a man after their own heart -- a stalwart
> member of the Republican Base.
>
> So, apparently you are referring someone who shot up a supermarket
> because, oh, say, because they sold grits.

And why in the world would we need to denounce this killer?

Which of us has promulgated false information in order to convince the
ignorant that they should be hating the "immigrants"...

....rather than the big business interests that the GOP actually lets run
roughshod over them?

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 20 May 2022 16:05 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 11:04:34 -0700 (PDT), Ross Presser
<rpresser@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 12:16:05 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>
>> I certainly hope not, as it appears otherpost that he has now decided
>> to infiltrate the Democratic Party. Stupid is as stupid does.
>
>I've read some theorizing that he's trying to be a spoiler.
>
>From https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Michigan
>] Michigan state law stipulates that any voter may participate in a party's
>] primary election, regardless of that voter's partisan affiliation.
>] In Michigan, the winner of a primary election is the candidate who receives
>] the greatest number of votes cast for that office, even if he or she does not
>] win an outright majority of all votes cast.
>
>So this idiot runs as a Democrat. Actual Democrats must therefore vote in
>the Democratic primary to prevent the idiot from winning. This prevents
>Michigan Democrats from voting in the Republican primary, where they
>could either vote for a less-insane Republican so they can stomach it if
>they win in the general, or vote *for* an insane Republican so that it's
>easier for the Democrat to beat them in the general. Either way, with
>this insane white supremacist running as a Democrat, they can't risk him
>winning, so they must vote Democrat and let the Republicans choose their own.

Provided, of course, that they cannot vote in /both/.

After all, since one is the /Democratic/ Primary and the other is the
/Republican/ Primary, they are two different Primaries and a voter can
certainly vote in two /different/ elections.

That sort of thing, when done in Washington some decades ago, was
actually declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the USA.
Clearly our version must have differed from Michigans. The complaint
was /precisely/ that a Party's candidate could be chosen by the other
Party. Perhaps the fact that we allowed this on each office
individually instead of requiring the voter to choose one Party's list
or the other's caused it to be rejected.

We then tried a closed Primary (in the sense that you had to declare
which Party you belonged to). Public response was not happy.

Except for the (electors for) President/VP, we do now have a top-2
Primary. Party affiliation of each candidate is whatever the candidate
wants it to be; the Parties have no say in the matter. We had a lot of
"GOP", "Old Republican" and so on candidates when Trump was around,
all trying to distance themselves as far from him as possible.

And, yes, the top two are sometimes from the same Party. But think for
a moment what that means: it means that the legislative district is so
thoroughly Blue or so thoroughly Red that the other side has no
chance. Indeed, when the Parties controlled who ran, the other side
often didn't bother to put up a candidate in such districts, as it was
clearly a waste of time, effort, and money.

And at least once one of the perennial kooks ("Goodspaceguy", I think)
made it into the top two. You can't do that when the Parties control
the process.

>In other words, this white supremacist is angling to make the open primary
>into a de facto closed one.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 20 May 2022 16:07 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 10:40:28 -0600, David Johnston
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 2022-05-03 11:10 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> I read this news story the other day:
>>
>> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>>
>> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>>
>> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>>
>> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
>> general community use until that point, a First Amendment
>> claim could be countenanced.
>>
>> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
>> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for inoffensive,
>> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>> potentially controversial to fly.
>I'm sure that guy will be very happy that he just made it mandatory for
>Boston to fly this flag
>
>https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QFkAAOSw4tBeXucw/s-l640.png
>
>As soon as someone gets around to submitting the application.

That's the problem with Free Speech -- you don't get to control what
other people say.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:07:12 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 19 May 2022 10:40:28 -0600, David Johnston
> <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 2022-05-03 11:10 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> >> I read this news story the other day:
> >>
> >> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
> >>
> >> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
> >>
> >> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
> >>
> >> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
> >> general community use until that point, a First Amendment
> >> claim could be countenanced.
> >>
> >> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
> >> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for inoffensive,
> >> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
> >> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
> >> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
> >> potentially controversial to fly.
> >I'm sure that guy will be very happy that he just made it mandatory for
> >Boston to fly this flag
> >
> >https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QFkAAOSw4tBeXucw/s-l640.png
> >
> >As soon as someone gets around to submitting the application.
>
> That's the problem with Free Speech -- you don't get to control what
> other people say.

You guys are way behind the curve.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/satanic-temple-flag-request-boston-city-hall/39906576#
https://abc7chicago.com/satanic-temple-of-illinois-display-baphomet-statue/11370430/
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/legally-weird/hell-bent-satanists-seek-a-role-at-boston-city-hall/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/17/a-satanic-idols-3-year-journey-to-the-arkansas-capitol-building/

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 by: William Hyde - Fri, 20 May 2022 19:54 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
> > On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
> >>>
> >>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
> >>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
> >>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
> >>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
> >>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
> >>>
> >>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
> >>> defamation.
> >>
> >> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
> >> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
> >> THEREOF".
> >>
> >> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
> >
> > Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
> > unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
> > of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
> > it.
> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>
> Nope!

Well consider this:

"The rancor lingering from the bitterly contested presidential election spilled over during a joint session of Congress today, forcing Vice President Al Gore to gavel down black House members time and again in order to make official the election of his opponent, George W. Bush."

....

'May God bless our new president and new vice president and may God bless the United States of America,'' Mr. Gore said to a standing ovation from the remaining House and Senate members before gaveling the joint session to a close and signing autographs.

Found in the NY times, 7 Jan 2001, via google in a few seconds.

It's so much like Trump, I think I'm seeing double!

William Hyde

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 by: Chris Buckley - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:03 UTC

On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>>>
>>>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>>>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>>>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>>>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>>>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>>>>
>>>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>>>> defamation.
>>>
>>> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
>>> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
>>> THEREOF".
>>>
>>> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>>
>> Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
>> unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
>> of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
>> it.
>
> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>
> Nope!

Precisely my point. Yes, they are very different cases. Al Gore was not
guilty of insurrection or rebelling, but he was "attempting to stop
the process of certifying an election" and indeed did stop it for a
while.

Therefore, something more is needed than just "attempting to stop the
process of certifying an election" to define something as a rebellion.

>>
>> Of course, there are differences in the two cases. For example, Al
>> Gore and the Florida Supreme Court were explicitly told by the US
>> Supreme Court that what they were doing was illegal. Then they went
>> and did it again, at which point the US Supreme Court declared Bush
>> the winner, with not a single US Supreme Court justice supporting
>> Gore's position.
>>
>> For the record, I consider both Trump and Gore's efforts to be
>> baseless.
>
> Courts differing on what is "legal" is a very different thing that armed
> insurrectionists invading a building.

Agreed. But if you claim this applies to the current situation then you
are assuming what you are trying to establish - that these people are guilty
of insurrection. That doesn't help your argument at all!

Chris

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 by: Chris Buckley - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:25 UTC

On 2022-05-20, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
>> > On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> >>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>> >>>
>> >>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>> >>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>> >>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>> >>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>> >>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>> >>>
>> >>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>> >>> defamation.
>> >>
>> >> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
>> >> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
>> >> THEREOF".
>> >>
>> >> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>> >
>> > Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
>> > unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
>> > of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
>> > it.
>> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>>
>> Nope!
>
> Well consider this:
>
> "The rancor lingering from the bitterly contested presidential election spilled over during a joint session of Congress today, forcing Vice President Al Gore to gavel down black House members time and again in order to make official the election of his opponent, George W. Bush."
>
> ...
>
> 'May God bless our new president and new vice president and may God bless the United States of America,'' Mr. Gore said to a standing ovation from the remaining House and Senate members before gaveling the joint session to a close and signing autographs.
>
> Found in the NY times, 7 Jan 2001, via google in a few seconds.
>
> It's so much like Trump, I think I'm seeing double!
>
> William Hyde

Yes, you're right - the final certification ended up not being delayed. I
had thought it had been but it was just some preliminary steps.

And certainly the two are different. Trump's behavior throughout
this period was abominable. But doesn't mean he's guilty of insurrection.

Chris

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On 2022-05-20 12:54 p.m., William Hyde wrote:
> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>>>>
>>>>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any
>>>>> rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United
>>>>> States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto,
>>>>> shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
>>>>> ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any
>>>>> office under the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander
>>>>> and defamation.
>>>>
>>>> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election
>>>> NOT a "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States
>>>> OR THE LAWS THEREOF".
>>>>
>>>> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>>>
>>> Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the
>>> certification, unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than
>>> this "very definition of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would
>>> realize if you thought about it.
>> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>>
>> Nope!
>
> Well consider this:
>
> "The rancor lingering from the bitterly contested presidential
> election spilled over during a joint session of Congress today,
> forcing Vice President Al Gore to gavel down black House members time
> and again in order to make official the election of his opponent,
> George W. Bush."

The right-wingnuts will call that worse than people actually...

....you know...

....actually rioting, breaking into, and invading the building.

>
> ...
>
> 'May God bless our new president and new vice president and may God
> bless the United States of America,'' Mr. Gore said to a standing
> ovation from the remaining House and Senate members before gaveling
> the joint session to a close and signing autographs.
>
> Found in the NY times, 7 Jan 2001, via google in a few seconds.
>
> It's so much like Trump, I think I'm seeing double!
>
> William Hyde
>

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:55 UTC

On 2022-05-20 1:25 p.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>>>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>>>>>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>>>>>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>>>>>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>>>>>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>>>>>> defamation.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
>>>>> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
>>>>> THEREOF".
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>>>>
>>>> Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
>>>> unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
>>>> of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
>>>> it.
>>> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>>>
>>> Nope!
>>
>> Well consider this:
>>
>> "The rancor lingering from the bitterly contested presidential election spilled over during a joint session of Congress today, forcing Vice President Al Gore to gavel down black House members time and again in order to make official the election of his opponent, George W. Bush."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> 'May God bless our new president and new vice president and may God bless the United States of America,'' Mr. Gore said to a standing ovation from the remaining House and Senate members before gaveling the joint session to a close and signing autographs.
>>
>> Found in the NY times, 7 Jan 2001, via google in a few seconds.
>>
>> It's so much like Trump, I think I'm seeing double!
>>
>> William Hyde
>
> Yes, you're right - the final certification ended up not being delayed. I
> had thought it had been but it was just some preliminary steps.
>
> And certainly the two are different. Trump's behavior throughout
> this period was abominable. But doesn't mean he's guilty of insurrection.

It doesn't mean he's not...

....and a lot is coming out that seems to suggest he IS guilty.

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 by: Alan - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:56 UTC

On 2022-05-20 1:03 p.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>>>>
>>>>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>>>>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>>>>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>>>>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>>>>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>>>>> defamation.
>>>>
>>>> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
>>>> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
>>>> THEREOF".
>>>>
>>>> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>>>
>>> Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
>>> unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
>>> of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
>>> it.
>>
>> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>>
>> Nope!
>
> Precisely my point. Yes, they are very different cases. Al Gore was not
> guilty of insurrection or rebelling, but he was "attempting to stop
> the process of certifying an election" and indeed did stop it for a
> while.
>
> Therefore, something more is needed than just "attempting to stop the
> process of certifying an election" to define something as a rebellion.

And we have that.

Read your own definition again.

>
>>>
>>> Of course, there are differences in the two cases. For example, Al
>>> Gore and the Florida Supreme Court were explicitly told by the US
>>> Supreme Court that what they were doing was illegal. Then they went
>>> and did it again, at which point the US Supreme Court declared Bush
>>> the winner, with not a single US Supreme Court justice supporting
>>> Gore's position.
>>>
>>> For the record, I consider both Trump and Gore's efforts to be
>>> baseless.
>>
>> Courts differing on what is "legal" is a very different thing that armed
>> insurrectionists invading a building.
>
> Agreed. But if you claim this applies to the current situation then you
> are assuming what you are trying to establish - that these people are guilty
> of insurrection. That doesn't help your argument at all!

I'm looking at their actions and their actions only.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 21 May 2022 02:58 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 08:54:17 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>As I have repeatedly said, there are wingnuts on /all/ sides.
>
>[1] They did this dressed in black, often wearing other clothes over
>the black except when actually doing their thing. We found the news
>that the Italian police had arrested some demonstrators in Italy for
>being Anarchists because they had black /underwear/ to be hilarious.
>Italy really /is/ the land of comic opera.

This also happened in Vancouver both during the APEC meetings (1997)
and during the 2010 Winter Olympics.

It wasn't just Seattle and Portland.

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 21 May 2022 15:56 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 19:58:32 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2022 08:54:17 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>As I have repeatedly said, there are wingnuts on /all/ sides.
>>
>>[1] They did this dressed in black, often wearing other clothes over
>>the black except when actually doing their thing. We found the news
>>that the Italian police had arrested some demonstrators in Italy for
>>being Anarchists because they had black /underwear/ to be hilarious.
>>Italy really /is/ the land of comic opera.
>
>This also happened in Vancouver both during the APEC meetings (1997)
>and during the 2010 Winter Olympics.
>
>It wasn't just Seattle and Portland.

Indeed.

But Vancouver -- either Vancouver -- is still in the same general
area.
--
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"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 21 May 2022 16:00 UTC

On 20 May 2022 20:25:38 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:

>On 2022-05-20, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:21:04 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-20 8:02 a.m., Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> > On 2022-05-20, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>> >> On 2022-05-19 1:44 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> >>> 18 U.S.C. § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion
>>> >>> or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the
>>> >>> laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under
>>> >>> this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and
>>> >>> shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Calling it that is literally nothing short of libel, slander and
>>> >>> defamation.
>>> >>
>>> >> How is attempting to stop the process of certifying an election NOT a
>>> >> "rebellion" "against the authority of the United States OR THE LAWS
>>> >> THEREOF".
>>> >>
>>> >> It is the very definition of a rebellion in that context.
>>> >
>>> > Like Al Gore (who actually succeeded in delaying the certification,
>>> > unlike Trump)?? There is much more needed than this "very definition
>>> > of a rebellion" which I'm sure you would realize if you thought about
>>> > it.
>>> Did Al Gore "rebel" by pursuing redress through the courts?
>>>
>>> Nope!
>>
>> Well consider this:
>>
>> "The rancor lingering from the bitterly contested presidential election spilled over during a joint session of Congress today, forcing Vice President Al Gore to gavel down black House members time and again in order to make official the election of his opponent, George W. Bush."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> 'May God bless our new president and new vice president and may God bless the United States of America,'' Mr. Gore said to a standing ovation from the remaining House and Senate members before gaveling the joint session to a close and signing autographs.
>>
>> Found in the NY times, 7 Jan 2001, via google in a few seconds.
>>
>> It's so much like Trump, I think I'm seeing double!
>>
>> William Hyde
>
>Yes, you're right - the final certification ended up not being delayed. I
>had thought it had been but it was just some preliminary steps.
>
>And certainly the two are different. Trump's behavior throughout
>this period was abominable. But doesn't mean he's guilty of insurrection.

A better argument would be that, if he were part of a conspiracy to
commit insurrection (or, for those hung up on the term, preventing the
Congress from doing its duty under the Constitution), we would all
know about it by now -- because he would have boasted of it very
loudly and very often.
--
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"I have envied him long since."

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 21 May 2022 16:07 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:07:12 PM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 10:40:28 -0600, David Johnston
>> <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On 2022-05-03 11:10 a.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> >> I read this news story the other day:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/boston-violated-free-speech-rights-by-refusing-to-fly-christian-flag-u-s-supreme-court-1.5885195
>> >>
>> >> I felt that the decision was a bad one.
>> >>
>> >> But I'm not claiming that the Supreme Court made an error in law.
>> >>
>> >> Certainly, if the flagpole in question _had_ been something for
>> >> general community use until that point, a First Amendment
>> >> claim could be countenanced.
>> >>
>> >> But it would seem to me that, far more likely, the policy of the city,
>> >> even if not explicitly articulated, was that it was only for inoffensive,
>> >> non-controversial flags that were for something that was considered
>> >> positive for the whole city - and it was only when that guy with his
>> >> Christian flag came along that anyone thought to present anything
>> >> potentially controversial to fly.
>> >I'm sure that guy will be very happy that he just made it mandatory for
>> >Boston to fly this flag
>> >
>> >https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QFkAAOSw4tBeXucw/s-l640.png
>> >
>> >As soon as someone gets around to submitting the application.
>>
>> That's the problem with Free Speech -- you don't get to control what
>> other people say.
>
>You guys are way behind the curve.
>
>https://www.wcvb.com/article/satanic-temple-flag-request-boston-city-hall/39906576#
>https://abc7chicago.com/satanic-temple-of-illinois-display-baphomet-statue/11370430/
>https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/legally-weird/hell-bent-satanists-seek-a-role-at-boston-city-hall/
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/17/a-satanic-idols-3-year-journey-to-the-arkansas-capitol-building/

I'm afraid I don't keep up with satanic temples.

And the point still remains.

Also, the Supremes explicitly stated that the city could change the
program to exert more control over content. And the city announced,
when the suit was filed that, if they lost, it would be doing just
that.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 21 May 2022 20:47 UTC

On Sat, 21 May 2022 08:56:56 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 May 2022 19:58:32 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 08:54:17 -0700, Paul S Person
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>As I have repeatedly said, there are wingnuts on /all/ sides.
>>>
>>>[1] They did this dressed in black, often wearing other clothes over
>>>the black except when actually doing their thing. We found the news
>>>that the Italian police had arrested some demonstrators in Italy for
>>>being Anarchists because they had black /underwear/ to be hilarious.
>>>Italy really /is/ the land of comic opera.
>>
>>This also happened in Vancouver both during the APEC meetings (1997)
>>and during the 2010 Winter Olympics.
>>
>>It wasn't just Seattle and Portland.
>
>Indeed.
>
>But Vancouver -- either Vancouver -- is still in the same general
>area.

While true, given my mention of the 2010 Winter Olympics it surely
must have have been obvious I was talking about Vancouver, BC (pop 2.5
million) rather than Fort Vancouver, WA (pop 182,000) Obviously the
two Vancouvers are in opposite directions from the point of view of
Seattle

I have no knowledge or comments to make concerning the color of the
rioters' underwear.

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On Sat, 21 May 2022 13:47:15 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Sat, 21 May 2022 08:56:56 -0700, Paul S Person
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 May 2022 19:58:32 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 May 2022 08:54:17 -0700, Paul S Person
>>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As I have repeatedly said, there are wingnuts on /all/ sides.
>>>>
>>>>[1] They did this dressed in black, often wearing other clothes over
>>>>the black except when actually doing their thing. We found the news
>>>>that the Italian police had arrested some demonstrators in Italy for
>>>>being Anarchists because they had black /underwear/ to be hilarious.
>>>>Italy really /is/ the land of comic opera.
>>>
>>>This also happened in Vancouver both during the APEC meetings (1997)
>>>and during the 2010 Winter Olympics.
>>>
>>>It wasn't just Seattle and Portland.
>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>But Vancouver -- either Vancouver -- is still in the same general
>>area.
>
>While true, given my mention of the 2010 Winter Olympics it surely
>must have have been obvious I was talking about Vancouver, BC (pop 2.5
>million) rather than Fort Vancouver, WA (pop 182,000) Obviously the
>two Vancouvers are in opposite directions from the point of view of
>Seattle

Ah, but I don't follow sports and, given the choice of Commie China as
a venue, no repect at all for the Olympics.

And their insistance on testing for marijuana because /some/ nations
insist on it does not enhance their image.

>I have no knowledge or comments to make concerning the color of the
>rioters' underwear.

The point was the idiocy of the Italian police.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

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