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 by: David Brown - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 20:34 UTC

I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html

David N. Brown
Mesa, Arizona

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Thu, 4 Aug 2022 23:36 UTC

On Thursday, 4 August 2022 at 21:34:09 UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
> And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html

I just remembered... Stephen Donaldson's "Gap"
novel series (1991-1996) carries his claim of inspiration
from Richard Wagner's "Ring Cycle", but his cyborg
anti-hero gets a "Long John Silver" bit as well.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treasure_Island>
mentions a few other science fiction versions,
without identifying Silver as a cyborg but of course
the original Silver has a prosthetic leg, quite a
basic one. _Treasure Planet_ came out in 2002
but apparently was first offered to Disney in 1985,
at which time "Paramount Pictures was developing
a Star Trek sequel with a Treasure Island angle"
(you do find funny things in Wikipedia!!)
(Did it involve Ricardo Montalban...)

Doctor Who novel of 2006
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resurrection_Casket>
is dominated by the furious ghost of Robert Louis Stevenson
(probably) but in a setting where electricity doesn't work
(yet), we do meet another significant cyborg character.
At least, significant in context. And steam-powered.
Spoiler: fvyire fnyyl vf abg n plobet ohg n ebobg
jrnevat unys n srznyr pbecfr nf qvfthvfr v guvax.

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 5 Aug 2022 16:50 UTC

On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
<davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:

>I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html

I liked it immediately.

And then it got better.

>And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html

The DVD version appears to be missing a few bits from the scene at
Palymra. Nothing vital, but still ...

Since, as you note, it is an alternate version of /Thunderball/ --
with the same actor playing Bond -- it can only be expected to feel
very ... familiar. But well done.

The 1960s /Casino Royale/ with Sir James Bond was a satire of the
first three films (mostly the first two). It also seems to be missing
a few things compared to the theatrical version I saw in the Army. But
perhaps it was trimmed for distribution. The DVD version I got
includes an early TV version of the story with Jimmy Bond, CIA Agent,
and his colleague from MI6, Felix Leiter. It made me /very happy/ that
the Brits were doing the movies.

If you decide to see the reboot Bonds, you may find them (all of them)
both very action-packed and very very serious. I have found that I
/really/ appreciate all those little bits of humor, however tired or
macabre, in the earlier films now that I have seen the reboot Bonds.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Fri, 5 Aug 2022 17:14 UTC

On 8/5/2022 9:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
> <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
>
> I liked it immediately.
>
> And then it got better.
>
>> And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html
>
> The DVD version appears to be missing a few bits from the scene at
> Palymra. Nothing vital, but still ...
>
> Since, as you note, it is an alternate version of /Thunderball/ --
> with the same actor playing Bond -- it can only be expected to feel
> very ... familiar. But well done.
>
> The 1960s /Casino Royale/ with Sir James Bond was a satire of the
> first three films (mostly the first two). It also seems to be missing
> a few things compared to the theatrical version I saw in the Army. But
> perhaps it was trimmed for distribution.

There is a long, somewhat complicated, story about the production of
that Casino Royale. Short version is it was one of the greatest
clusterfucks in cinematic history involving (at least) 7 different
directors, actors walking off the set before shooting was finished and
intense hatred between some of the actors.

> The DVD version I got
> includes an early TV version of the story with Jimmy Bond, CIA Agent,
> and his colleague from MI6, Felix Leiter. It made me /very happy/ that
> the Brits were doing the movies.
>
> If you decide to see the reboot Bonds, you may find them (all of them)
> both very action-packed and very very serious. I have found that I
> /really/ appreciate all those little bits of humor, however tired or
> macabre, in the earlier films now that I have seen the reboot Bonds.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Fri, 5 Aug 2022 18:12 UTC

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>On 8/5/2022 9:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
>> <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
>>
>> I liked it immediately.
>>
>> And then it got better.
>>
>>> And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html
>>
>> The DVD version appears to be missing a few bits from the scene at
>> Palymra. Nothing vital, but still ...
>>
>> Since, as you note, it is an alternate version of /Thunderball/ --
>> with the same actor playing Bond -- it can only be expected to feel
>> very ... familiar. But well done.
>>
>> The 1960s /Casino Royale/ with Sir James Bond was a satire of the
>> first three films (mostly the first two). It also seems to be missing
>> a few things compared to the theatrical version I saw in the Army. But
>> perhaps it was trimmed for distribution.
>
>There is a long, somewhat complicated, story about the production of
>that Casino Royale. Short version is it was one of the greatest
>clusterfucks in cinematic history involving (at least) 7 different
>directors, actors walking off the set before shooting was finished and
>intense hatred between some of the actors.

In London, Mata is kidnapped by SMERSH in a giant flying saucer,
and Sir James and Moneypenny travel to Casino Royale to rescue her.
They discover that the casino is located atop a giant underground
headquarters run by the evil Dr. Noah, secretly Sir James's nephew
Jimmy Bond, a former MI6 agent who defected to SMERSH to spite his
famous uncle. Jimmy reveals that he plans to use biological warfare
to make all women beautiful and kill all men over 4-foot-6-inch
(1.37 m) tall, leaving him as the "big man" who gets all the girls.

Jimmy has already captured The Detainer, and he tries to persuade her
to be his partner; she agrees, but only to dupe him into swallowing
one of his atomic time pills, turning him into a walking atomic bomb.

Yes, I can see how a director might not take that seriously.

Meyers did the satire much better.

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 15:57 UTC

On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 18:12:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>>On 8/5/2022 9:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
>>> <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
>>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
>>>
>>> I liked it immediately.
>>>
>>> And then it got better.
>>>
>>>> And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
>>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html
>>>
>>> The DVD version appears to be missing a few bits from the scene at
>>> Palymra. Nothing vital, but still ...
>>>
>>> Since, as you note, it is an alternate version of /Thunderball/ --
>>> with the same actor playing Bond -- it can only be expected to feel
>>> very ... familiar. But well done.
>>>
>>> The 1960s /Casino Royale/ with Sir James Bond was a satire of the
>>> first three films (mostly the first two). It also seems to be missing
>>> a few things compared to the theatrical version I saw in the Army. But
>>> perhaps it was trimmed for distribution.
>>
>>There is a long, somewhat complicated, story about the production of
>>that Casino Royale. Short version is it was one of the greatest
>>clusterfucks in cinematic history involving (at least) 7 different
>>directors, actors walking off the set before shooting was finished and
>>intense hatred between some of the actors.

In the finale, Woody Allen (IIRC) appears with a bagpipe and kilt
because he was no longer available, so they re-used what they had.

Yes, I've seen the making-of too.

IMDb lists six directors, one uncredited, but there could have been
more.

> In London, Mata is kidnapped by SMERSH in a giant flying saucer,
> and Sir James and Moneypenny travel to Casino Royale to rescue her.
> They discover that the casino is located atop a giant underground
> headquarters run by the evil Dr. Noah, secretly Sir James's nephew
> Jimmy Bond, a former MI6 agent who defected to SMERSH to spite his
> famous uncle. Jimmy reveals that he plans to use biological warfare
> to make all women beautiful and kill all men over 4-foot-6-inch
> (1.37 m) tall, leaving him as the "big man" who gets all the girls.

I think I recall a scene showing /how/ The Detainer (and Cooper) was
captured. This explains her refusal to go through the Casino again,
and his being a prisoner.

> Jimmy has already captured The Detainer, and he tries to persuade her
> to be his partner; she agrees, but only to dupe him into swallowing
> one of his atomic time pills, turning him into a walking atomic bomb.
>
>Yes, I can see how a director might not take that seriously.
>
>Meyers did the satire much better.

I'm not aware of Meyers, whichever one is meant, for surely there are
several running about, making a satire of /Casino Royale/.

But perhaps the "the" should be removed.

--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 16:02 UTC

On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 09:50:17 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
><davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
>>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
>
>I liked it immediately.
>
>And then it got better.

I forgot to point out that the film exists in an alternate reality,
where the Michelson-Morley experiment would have proven that the
Luminiferous Aether /did/ exist rather than relegating it to the
ash-heap of science -- and that there is no way to tell what the
properties of an outer space pervaded by it would be, whether
environment suits would be needed, or whether rope and wood would have
any problems. At least while the generator was running.

Alternate reality -- alternate physics.

>>And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
>>https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html
>
>The DVD version appears to be missing a few bits from the scene at
>Palymra. Nothing vital, but still ...
>
>Since, as you note, it is an alternate version of /Thunderball/ --
>with the same actor playing Bond -- it can only be expected to feel
>very ... familiar. But well done.
>
>The 1960s /Casino Royale/ with Sir James Bond was a satire of the
>first three films (mostly the first two). It also seems to be missing
>a few things compared to the theatrical version I saw in the Army. But
>perhaps it was trimmed for distribution. The DVD version I got
>includes an early TV version of the story with Jimmy Bond, CIA Agent,
>and his colleague from MI6, Felix Leiter. It made me /very happy/ that
>the Brits were doing the movies.
>
>If you decide to see the reboot Bonds, you may find them (all of them)
>both very action-packed and very very serious. I have found that I
>/really/ appreciate all those little bits of humor, however tired or
>macabre, in the earlier films now that I have seen the reboot Bonds.
--
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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Sat, 6 Aug 2022 16:25 UTC

On 8/6/2022 8:57 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 18:12:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
>
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
>>> On 8/5/2022 9:50 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT), David Brown
>>>> <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I decided to post links for my movie reviews this week. First and most relevant, I reviewed Treasure Planet, a kind of steampunk adaptation of the Stevenson novel Treasure Island. I really didn't try to go into the novel, which I can barely remember reading at least parts of as a kid. I will say, the animated movie isn't too far off from the live action 1950s film.
>>>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/animation-defenestration-one-that-did.html
>>>>
>>>> I liked it immediately.
>>>>
>>>> And then it got better.
>>>>
>>>>> And for something different, I finally reviewed Never Say Never Again, which I have long considered the worst Bond movie from some bad memories. I won't say I was wrong, but it did prove more complicated, mostly because it was directed by the same guy as Empire Strikes Back.
>>>>> https://trendytroodon.blogspot.com/2022/08/the-1980s-file-one-where-james-bond.html
>>>>
>>>> The DVD version appears to be missing a few bits from the scene at
>>>> Palymra. Nothing vital, but still ...
>>>>
>>>> Since, as you note, it is an alternate version of /Thunderball/ --
>>>> with the same actor playing Bond -- it can only be expected to feel
>>>> very ... familiar. But well done.
>>>>
>>>> The 1960s /Casino Royale/ with Sir James Bond was a satire of the
>>>> first three films (mostly the first two). It also seems to be missing
>>>> a few things compared to the theatrical version I saw in the Army. But
>>>> perhaps it was trimmed for distribution.
>>>
>>> There is a long, somewhat complicated, story about the production of
>>> that Casino Royale. Short version is it was one of the greatest
>>> clusterfucks in cinematic history involving (at least) 7 different
>>> directors, actors walking off the set before shooting was finished and
>>> intense hatred between some of the actors.
>
> In the finale, Woody Allen (IIRC) appears with a bagpipe and kilt
> because he was no longer available, so they re-used what they had.
>
> Yes, I've seen the making-of too.
>
> IMDb lists six directors, one uncredited, but there could have been
> more.
>
Or my memory may have added one. *shrug* Either way far too many
"directors".

>> In London, Mata is kidnapped by SMERSH in a giant flying saucer,
>> and Sir James and Moneypenny travel to Casino Royale to rescue her.
>> They discover that the casino is located atop a giant underground
>> headquarters run by the evil Dr. Noah, secretly Sir James's nephew
>> Jimmy Bond, a former MI6 agent who defected to SMERSH to spite his
>> famous uncle. Jimmy reveals that he plans to use biological warfare
>> to make all women beautiful and kill all men over 4-foot-6-inch
>> (1.37 m) tall, leaving him as the "big man" who gets all the girls.
>
> I think I recall a scene showing /how/ The Detainer (and Cooper) was
> captured. This explains her refusal to go through the Casino again,
> and his being a prisoner.
>
>> Jimmy has already captured The Detainer, and he tries to persuade her
>> to be his partner; she agrees, but only to dupe him into swallowing
>> one of his atomic time pills, turning him into a walking atomic bomb.
>>
>> Yes, I can see how a director might not take that seriously.
>>
>> Meyers did the satire much better.
>
> I'm not aware of Meyers, whichever one is meant, for surely there are
> several running about, making a satire of /Casino Royale/.
>
> But perhaps the "the" should be removed.
>
I think they are referring to Mike Meyers and the Austin Powers movies.

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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 18:12:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:

>IMDb lists six directors, one uncredited, but there could have been
>more.
>
>> In London, Mata is kidnapped by SMERSH in a giant flying saucer,
>> and Sir James and Moneypenny travel to Casino Royale to rescue her.
>> They discover that the casino is located atop a giant underground
>> headquarters run by the evil Dr. Noah, secretly Sir James's nephew
>> Jimmy Bond, a former MI6 agent who defected to SMERSH to spite his
>> famous uncle. Jimmy reveals that he plans to use biological warfare
>> to make all women beautiful and kill all men over 4-foot-6-inch
>> (1.37 m) tall, leaving him as the "big man" who gets all the girls.
>
>I think I recall a scene showing /how/ The Detainer (and Cooper) was
>captured. This explains her refusal to go through the Casino again,
>and his being a prisoner.
>
>> Jimmy has already captured The Detainer, and he tries to persuade her
>> to be his partner; she agrees, but only to dupe him into swallowing
>> one of his atomic time pills, turning him into a walking atomic bomb.
>>
>>Yes, I can see how a director might not take that seriously.
>>
>>Meyers did the satire much better.
>
>I'm not aware of Meyers, whichever one is meant, for surely there are
>several running about, making a satire of /Casino Royale/.

I was referring to satires of James Bond, a category of which both
_Casino Royale_ and _Austin Powers_ are considered members.

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On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 1:46:53 PM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
> >On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 18:12:10 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> >wrote:
> >IMDb lists six directors, one uncredited, but there could have been
> >more.
> >
> >> In London, Mata is kidnapped by SMERSH in a giant flying saucer,
> >> and Sir James and Moneypenny travel to Casino Royale to rescue her.
> >> They discover that the casino is located atop a giant underground
> >> headquarters run by the evil Dr. Noah, secretly Sir James's nephew
> >> Jimmy Bond, a former MI6 agent who defected to SMERSH to spite his
> >> famous uncle. Jimmy reveals that he plans to use biological warfare
> >> to make all women beautiful and kill all men over 4-foot-6-inch
> >> (1.37 m) tall, leaving him as the "big man" who gets all the girls.
> >
> >I think I recall a scene showing /how/ The Detainer (and Cooper) was
> >captured. This explains her refusal to go through the Casino again,
> >and his being a prisoner.
> >
> >> Jimmy has already captured The Detainer, and he tries to persuade her
> >> to be his partner; she agrees, but only to dupe him into swallowing
> >> one of his atomic time pills, turning him into a walking atomic bomb.
> >>
> >>Yes, I can see how a director might not take that seriously.
> >>
> >>Meyers did the satire much better.
> >
> >I'm not aware of Meyers, whichever one is meant, for surely there are
> >several running about, making a satire of /Casino Royale/.
> I was referring to satires of James Bond, a category of which both
> _Casino Royale_ and _Austin Powers_ are considered members.
I had thought of mentioning in my review, Kershner had done a spy comedy/ parody called S*P*Y*S before working on Empire Strikes Back and Never Say Never Again. I might look into it at some point. There were enough spy movies, shows, etc in the 1950s and '60s that the parody genre probably could have sustained itself even without the success of the Bond franchise. The big question that gets asked now and then is whether that was a parody in itself.

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Sun, 7 Aug 2022 05:19 UTC

In article <f34df2ee-7b2d-4329-b121-42be2dcf2fe3n@googlegroups.com>,
David Brown <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>I had thought of mentioning in my review, Kershner had done a spy
>comedy/ parody called S*P*Y*S before working on Empire Strikes Back and
>Never Say Never Again. I might look into it at some point. There were

It was dreadful.
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 by: Paul S Person - Sun, 7 Aug 2022 16:18 UTC

On 7 Aug 2022 05:19:07 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
wrote:

>In article <f34df2ee-7b2d-4329-b121-42be2dcf2fe3n@googlegroups.com>,
>David Brown <davidnbrown80@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I had thought of mentioning in my review, Kershner had done a spy
>>comedy/ parody called S*P*Y*S before working on Empire Strikes Back and
>>Never Say Never Again. I might look into it at some point. There were
>
>It was dreadful.

Maltin rates it a BOMB, at least in his 2011 Movie Guide.
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influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
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 by: Paul S Person - Sun, 7 Aug 2022 16:28 UTC

On Sat, 06 Aug 2022 20:46:48 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On Fri, 05 Aug 2022 18:12:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>wrote:
>
>>IMDb lists six directors, one uncredited, but there could have been
>>more.
>>
>>> In London, Mata is kidnapped by SMERSH in a giant flying saucer,
>>> and Sir James and Moneypenny travel to Casino Royale to rescue her.
>>> They discover that the casino is located atop a giant underground
>>> headquarters run by the evil Dr. Noah, secretly Sir James's nephew
>>> Jimmy Bond, a former MI6 agent who defected to SMERSH to spite his
>>> famous uncle. Jimmy reveals that he plans to use biological warfare
>>> to make all women beautiful and kill all men over 4-foot-6-inch
>>> (1.37 m) tall, leaving him as the "big man" who gets all the girls.
>>
>>I think I recall a scene showing /how/ The Detainer (and Cooper) was
>>captured. This explains her refusal to go through the Casino again,
>>and his being a prisoner.
>>
>>> Jimmy has already captured The Detainer, and he tries to persuade her
>>> to be his partner; she agrees, but only to dupe him into swallowing
>>> one of his atomic time pills, turning him into a walking atomic bomb.
>>>
>>>Yes, I can see how a director might not take that seriously.
>>>
>>>Meyers did the satire much better.
>>
>>I'm not aware of Meyers, whichever one is meant, for surely there are
>>several running about, making a satire of /Casino Royale/.
>
>I was referring to satires of James Bond, a category of which both
>_Casino Royale_ and _Austin Powers_ are considered members.

Ah.

I avoided Austin Powers and so missed your point.

These were done /much/ later and, although the spy was (per Maltin)
from the 60s, I suspect it was mostly fish-out-of-water humor.

I did see OSS 117 eventually. The first one, set in Cairo. Also a
fish-out-of-water film. It was done even later than (the first) Austin
Powers.

I'm actually not much into satires, as such. They have to be
satirizing something I like a lot (/Scary Movie/, /The Starving
Games/) or be very very very funny /Casino Royale/.
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