This is from January.

(You may remember that the store, the oldest American SF bookstore, was burned down in the riots.)

https://locusmag.com/2022/01/new-home-for-uncle-hugos/

From September:

https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/08/uncle-hugos-uncle-edgars-bookstores-reopen

And:

https://www.facebook.com/people/Uncle-Hugos-Science-Fiction-Bookstore-Uncle-Edgars-Mystery-Bookstore/100079962702061/

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+1, Lenona wrote:
> This is from January.
>
> (You may remember that the store, the oldest American SF bookstore, was burned down in the riots.)
>
> https://locusmag.com/2022/01/new-home-for-uncle-hugos/
>
> From September:
>
> https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/08/uncle-hugos-uncle-edgars-bookstores-reopen
>
> And:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/people/Uncle-Hugos-Science-Fiction-Bookstore-Uncle-Edgars-Mystery-Bookstore/100079962702061/
It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?

On 05/10/2022 10.01, Lenona wrote:
> This is from January.
>
> (You may remember that the store, the oldest American SF bookstore, was burned down in the riots.)
>
> https://locusmag.com/2022/01/new-home-for-uncle-hugos/
>
> From September:
>
> https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/08/uncle-hugos-uncle-edgars-bookstores-reopen

That is *fantastic* news! I'm so glad that Don was able to make
a comeback, and I'm also glad that I'll have a source for lots
of obscure stuff again.

When I got news that the Uncles had been torched, it was just
nightmarish to think of all of those irreplaceable books going
up in flames.

--
Michael F. Stemper
A preposition is something you should never end a sentence with.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
<mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+1, Lenona wrote:
>> This is from January.
>>
>> (You may remember that the store, the oldest American SF bookstore, was burned down in the riots.)
>>
>> https://locusmag.com/2022/01/new-home-for-uncle-hugos/
>>
>> From September:
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/08/uncle-hugos-uncle-edgars-bookstores-reopen
>>
>> And:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/people/Uncle-Hugos-Science-Fiction-Bookstore-Uncle-Edgars-Mystery-Bookstore/100079962702061/
>It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?

When I pull the last one up, I get a page titled "Connect with Uncle
Hugo's Science Fiction Bookstore & Uncle ..." (if I expand the window
I get more text on the right), which looks like a match to me.
--
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
><mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+1, Lenona wrote:
>>> This is from January.
>>>
>>> (You may remember that the store, the oldest American SF bookstore, was burned down in the riots.)
>>>
>>> https://locusmag.com/2022/01/new-home-for-uncle-hugos/
>>>
>>> From September:
>>>
>>> https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/08/uncle-hugos-uncle-edgars-bookstores-reopen
>>>
>>> And:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/people/Uncle-Hugos-Science-Fiction-Bookstore-Uncle-Edgars-Mystery-Bookstore/100079962702061/
>>It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?
>
>When I pull the last one up, I get a page titled "Connect with Uncle
>Hugo's Science Fiction Bookstore & Uncle ..." (if I expand the window
>I get more text on the right), which looks like a match to me.

I think Andrew was referring to street address, not web address.

On 06/10/2022 11.18, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
> <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+1, Lenona wrote:
>>> This is from January.

>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/people/Uncle-Hugos-Science-Fiction-Bookstore-Uncle-Edgars-Mystery-Bookstore/100079962702061/
>> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?
>
> When I pull the last one up, I get a page titled "Connect with Uncle
> Hugo's Science Fiction Bookstore & Uncle ..." (if I expand the window
> I get more text on the right), which looks like a match to me.

The different address is 31st and Minnehaha[1], as opposed to 28th
and Chicago, which was their previous address.

[1] Actually, Google Maps shows them two blocks east of Minnehaha,
but that's the address given in the second article.

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On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 5:26:31 PM UTC+1, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
> >On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT), Andrew McDowell
> ><mcdow...@sky.com> wrote:
> >
> >>On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 4:02:00 PM UTC+1, Lenona wrote:
> >>> This is from January.
> >>>
> >>> (You may remember that the store, the oldest American SF bookstore, was burned down in the riots.)
> >>>
> >>> https://locusmag.com/2022/01/new-home-for-uncle-hugos/
> >>>
> >>> From September:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/08/uncle-hugos-uncle-edgars-bookstores-reopen
> >>>
> >>> And:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.facebook.com/people/Uncle-Hugos-Science-Fiction-Bookstore-Uncle-Edgars-Mystery-Bookstore/100079962702061/
> >>It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?
> >
> >When I pull the last one up, I get a page titled "Connect with Uncle
> >Hugo's Science Fiction Bookstore & Uncle ..." (if I expand the window
> >I get more text on the right), which looks like a match to me.
> I think Andrew was referring to street address, not web address.

Correct - and the article at the first URL explicitly mentioned a change of physical address "The new location on E 31st and Minnehaha Avenue fully reopened on Tuesday."

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:

> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?

Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be reasonable (and,
indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it were re-opened
in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?

You know, like deepest suburbia?

Also, since the place was *burned to the ground*, re-opening in a building that had
not suffered the same fate allows re-opening the bookstore in short order. It takes
time to erect a building.

Again, if anyone would _want_ to invest the money in building something where it
might get burned down.

Of course it is not only unfortunate, it is unjust, that the vast majority of law-abiding
people living in these neighborhoods are going to have to pay more and/or travel
further for basic necessities like food and medications. But people are going to
act in a rational manner to safeguard their self-interest; they have to, because neither
store owners nor landlords have access to a pile of money comparable to the U.S.
defense budget with which to attempt to achieve constructive social goals.

Of course black people aren't inherently violent because of some genetic defect.
The blame for the fact that riots happen where black people live does ultimately
belong to racism practiced by whites. But that doesn't change where the riots
happen.

John Savard

On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 1:25:32 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:

> > It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?

> Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be reasonable (and,
> indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it were re-opened
> in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?

I see that it hasn't, in fact, moved all that far.

The neighborhood of Longfellow is on the other (east) side of the highway known
as Longfellow Avenue than the Powderhorn neighborhood is - the old location
was north of Powderhorn and east of Uptown.

But it's only probably some 20-30 blocks away at most.

John Savard

On 07/10/2022 02.25, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6, mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
>
>> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original area taking longer to recover?
>
> Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be reasonable (and,
> indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it were re-opened
> in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?
>
> You know, like deepest suburbia?

As somebody who's been a patron of Uncle Hugo's for nearly half a century,
I can't possibly picture it in a suburban setting. Don's just not that
guy. And I say this as somebody who hasn't lived in an urban setting in
over thirty years.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Always use apostrophe's and "quotation marks" properly.

In article <thru6k$6n6m$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 07/10/2022 02.25, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6,
>mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original
>area taking longer to recover?
>>
>> Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be
>reasonable (and,
>> indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it
>were re-opened
>> in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?
>>
>> You know, like deepest suburbia?
>
>As somebody who's been a patron of Uncle Hugo's for nearly half a
>century,
>I can't possibly picture it in a suburban setting. Don's just not that
>guy. And I say this as somebody who hasn't lived in an urban setting in
>over thirty years.

Suburbia is a fuck awful place to run a hobby store.

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On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:11:37 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <thru6k$6n6m$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 07/10/2022 02.25, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6,
> >mcdow...@sky.com wrote:

> >>> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original
> >area taking longer to recover?

> >> Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be
> >reasonable (and,
> >> indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it
> >were re-opened
> >> in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?

> >> You know, like deepest suburbia?

> >As somebody who's been a patron of Uncle Hugo's for nearly half a
> >century,

> >I can't possibly picture it in a suburban setting. Don's just not that
> >guy. And I say this as somebody who hasn't lived in an urban setting in
> >over thirty years.

> Suburbia is a fuck awful place to run a hobby store.

Well, I don't know Don Blyly personally.

And while there are certainly _places_ in suburbia that could not
possibly recieve the traffic volumes required to sustain a bookstore,
I was thinking in terms of my experience in Edmonton, Alberta, where
there is... a continuum of neighborhoods between the city core and
the suburbs, such that viable choices would exist.

Of course, it should be apparent that my original motive in replying to
this thread was my... *shock* at seeing Mr. McDowell's statement

"It seems to be opening at a different address."

....as if not re-opening on the very spot where the original store
was burned to the ground was somehow *surprising*.

There are basic reasons why it might not do that.

As I mentioned, since the *building* was destroyed, waiting for
it to be rebuilt, instead of renting a location in a building that's
still standing, would delay the opening.

As well, the aftermath of the rioting would likely have changed
the mix of businesses in the neighborhood, and so the value
of the location would be affected.

But, of course, what motivated me was "the elephant in the
room".

The old location... turned out to be close enough to the city's
poorer neighborhoods... more specifically, _those_ poorer
neighborhoods containing many people who are likely to be
to some extent alienated from mainstream American society
due to the country's history of racial discrimination... that
rioting can happen in, or spread to, that neighborhood.

So *of course* he would not want to invest many years of his
life in building up a bookstore where in the span of a few moments
it could all burn down... once again.

Is that so racist a thought that it should be impossible for it
to cross one's mind?

*That's* what being surprised that it is "opening at a different
address" seems to mean to me. Acknowledging that it's _black_
people who riot when an innocent black man is killed by
an inexplicable and unjustifiable action by police... is about as
racist as acknowledging that it's Ukrainians, rather than, oh, say,
Koreans, are in the vanguard of opposition to Russia's recent
activities in Ukraine.

They're the ones whose ox is being gored, so of course they're
the ones to take exception. Poverty born of discrimination means that
there are all too many young black men who feel they have too little
to lose to refrain from involvement in a riot.

These are just the facts of life that Americans have to live with every
day. Pretending that they don't exist... may be polite, but it does black
Americans no service, since it makes it easier to put their plight
entirely out of one's mind - when correcting this situation is urgent.

John Savard

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:11:37 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <thru6k$6n6m$1...@dont-email.me>,
>> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On 07/10/2022 02.25, Quadibloc wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6,
>> >mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
>
>> >>> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original
>> >area taking longer to recover?
>
>> >> Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be
>> >reasonable (and,
>> >> indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it
>> >were re-opened
>> >> in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?
>
>> >> You know, like deepest suburbia?
>
>> >As somebody who's been a patron of Uncle Hugo's for nearly half a
>> >century,
>
>> >I can't possibly picture it in a suburban setting. Don's just not that
>> >guy. And I say this as somebody who hasn't lived in an urban setting in
>> >over thirty years.
>
>> Suburbia is a fuck awful place to run a hobby store.
>
> Well, I don't know Don Blyly personally.
>
> And while there are certainly _places_ in suburbia that could not
> possibly recieve the traffic volumes required to sustain a bookstore,
> I was thinking in terms of my experience in Edmonton, Alberta, where
> there is... a continuum of neighborhoods between the city core and
> the suburbs, such that viable choices would exist.

I suspect that it has a lot to do with both the city and the suburb in
question. There's a large game/hobby/comic shop that seems to do well in a
suburb (relatively) near me. Compared to the city the suburb has twice the
median income and a larger population of geeks...there's a lot of high-tech
industry in the northern suburbs of Dallas. Getting there is an hour
round-trip by car compared to a three-plus hour round-trip by car, train
and bus. My suspicion is that the stores that are in central Dallas are there
because of inertia...they pre-date the growth of the suburbs that started
sometime in the 1980s (the population of the county I'm in has gone from 144k
to 1.1m since 1980).

Robert
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On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:48:07 AM UTC-4, rksh...@rosettacondot.com wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 8:11:37 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> In article <thru6k$6n6m$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On 07/10/2022 02.25, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 12:16:13 PM UTC-6,
> >> >mcdow...@sky.com wrote:
> >
> >> >>> It seems to be opening at a different address. Is the original
> >> >area taking longer to recover?
> >
> >> >> Since it was burned down in rioting, would it not only be
> >> >reasonable (and,
> >> >> indeed, likely to make the insurance company happier) if it
> >> >were re-opened
> >> >> in an area where such disturbances were less likely to take place?
> >
> >> >> You know, like deepest suburbia?
> >
> >> >As somebody who's been a patron of Uncle Hugo's for nearly half a
> >> >century,
> >
> >> >I can't possibly picture it in a suburban setting. Don's just not that
> >> >guy. And I say this as somebody who hasn't lived in an urban setting in
> >> >over thirty years.
> >
> >> Suburbia is a fuck awful place to run a hobby store.
> >
> > Well, I don't know Don Blyly personally.
> >
> > And while there are certainly _places_ in suburbia that could not
> > possibly recieve the traffic volumes required to sustain a bookstore,
> > I was thinking in terms of my experience in Edmonton, Alberta, where
> > there is... a continuum of neighborhoods between the city core and
> > the suburbs, such that viable choices would exist.
> I suspect that it has a lot to do with both the city and the suburb in
> question. There's a large game/hobby/comic shop that seems to do well in a
> suburb (relatively) near me. Compared to the city the suburb has twice the
> median income and a larger population of geeks...there's a lot of high-tech
> industry in the northern suburbs of Dallas. Getting there is an hour
> round-trip by car compared to a three-plus hour round-trip by car, train
> and bus. My suspicion is that the stores that are in central Dallas are there
> because of inertia...they pre-date the growth of the suburbs that started
> sometime in the 1980s (the population of the county I'm in has gone from 144k
> to 1.1m since 1980).
>
> Robert

In comments here.....

https://file770.com/blyly-finds-new-building-for-uncle-hugos-bookstore/

.... it is noted that the new Uncles are 8 blocks from DreamHaven.

My gut reaction to siting a store specializing in s&sf/comics/gaming would
be to do so in a college neighborhood. Dinkytown, in the case of the Mini
Apple. There might be high rents there, though UH/E owned its old
building and has bought the new one. Proximity to a college is proximity
to young folks with disposable income who spend on entertainment,
at least in pre-pandemic years. Where the store is may matter less to
online shoppers, of which there are undoubtedly a higher percentage
nowadays. The last comics shop I was involved with was within the city
limits of the metro area, about 10 blocks from a suburb in the county.
Over the roughly 2 decades of its existence the "bad part of town" had
gradually crept west. One could get to the store easily from a nearby
freeway off-ramp. The major competitor, which was founded a few years
earlier, was planted a half mile from the city's State U campus. I wound
up working in a full-line trade bookstore even closer to that school. Even
though we did not sell textbooks we did better walk-in business in the
University neighborhood than we had done in a downtown location among
the banks, insurance companies and law firms. That group of stores did
do great business-to-business trade, and was converted into an online-only
store that continues to this day. My friend's not-quite-suburban shop trailed
the one in the Uni neighborhood, due in part to being a later entry into the
market, with the earlier one retaining loyal customers and initially having a
superior high-end back issue inventor. Perceived and actual safety of the
neighborhood was a factor, while my friend's place had a wider selection of
more recent issues, and was more convenient to the freeway.

If and when the preference for ebooks vs ones actually printed on paper
hits a certain point, a collector's shop with physical inventory is going to
become even more of a rarity than it is now, I suppose.

--
Kevin R