Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s

https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/

What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.
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On 11/10/2022 09.07, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>
> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/

Wow! I haven't heard of Abian in a long time.

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On 10/11/2022 7:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>
> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>
> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.

As I recall a lot of the works that featured climate change from that
time expected an Ice Age.

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On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>
> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>
> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.

Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew in
1991. I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon reviewers.
https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/

Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/

And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/

And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/

Lynn

In article <ti4n1f$16cbj$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>
>>
>https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>
>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
>
>Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew in
>1991. I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon reviewers.
> https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/
>
>Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
> https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/
>
>And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
> https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
>
>And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
> https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/
>
>Lynn
>

And Weinbaum's "Shifting Seas":

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0607511h.html
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On 10/11/2022 2:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>
>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
>
> Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew in
> 1991.  I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon reviewers.
>    https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/
>
> Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
>    https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/
>
> And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
>    https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
>
> And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
>    https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/
>
"Published Before the 1980s".

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On Tuesday, 11 October 2022 at 21:38:09 UTC+1, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 7:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
> >
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
> >
> > What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> > warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> > a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.
>
> As I recall a lot of the works that featured climate change from that
> time expected an Ice Age.

Acknowledged. They happen. By one definition, if there's
ice at either of the poles, it counts as an Ice Age. But
without a substantial effort of human industry, it would
be inevitable for glaciation to increase some time soon.
But there has been a substantial effort of human industry,
so who knows.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forgotten_Enemy>
(1948) describes a story in which "The Solar System
has dived into a belt of cosmic dust; Britain's climate
has changed from temperate to arctic." Or perhaps
one would suppose that it just happens. Or this sort
of thing may be why it "just happens". This is
Arthur C. Clarke: in another story, he casually turns
the sun dimmer near the end, then a thousand years
later, boy it's chilly. Given where he settled, though...
I remember a radio spoof of his "Mysterious World"
TV show, where an ersatz Clarke talked about
"The Abominable Snowman, Bigfoot, The Yeti",
spotted around the world "but never here, where I live -
'Joe's Beach Bar', Sri Lanka. That's why I live here."

I recently received "The Garry Leach Collection",
a memorial bonus for "2000 AD" comic book magazine
subscribers, containing the late British artist's contributions
including "Cold Kill" - script by Mike Cruden, published
January 1979, a short "Future Shock" - in which wolves
chase a hunter across what's revealed to be Battersea Park.

On 10/11/2022 5:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 2:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>>
>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>>
>>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>>> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
>>
>> Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew in
>> 1991.  I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon reviewers.
>>     https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/
>>
>> Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
>>     https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/
>>
>> And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
>>     https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
>>
>> And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
>>     https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/
>>
> "Published Before the 1980s".

Hey, the actor asked for the 1990s book. So I went there and camped out.

Lynn

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 5:40:01 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <ti4n1f$16cbj$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
> >>
> >>
> >https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
> >>
> >> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> >> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> >> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
> >
> >Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew in
> >1991. I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon reviewers.
> > https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/
> >
> >Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
> > https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/
> >
> >And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
> > https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
> >
> >And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
> > https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/
> >
> >Lynn
> >
> And Weinbaum's "Shifting Seas":
>
> http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0607511h.html

Arthur C Clarke, "The Forgotten Enemy" 1949

Pt

On 10/11/2022 5:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 5:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 10/11/2022 2:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>>>
>>>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>>>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>>>> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
>>>
>>> Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew in
>>> 1991.  I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon reviewers.
>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/
>>>
>>> Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/
>>>
>>> And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
>>>
>>> And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/
>>>
>> "Published Before the 1980s".
>
> Hey, the actor asked for the 1990s book.  So I went there and camped out.
>
With 3/4's of your tent outside the block. :P

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dirty old man.

On 10/11/2022 8:50 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 5:51 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/11/2022 5:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2022 2:26 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>>>>
>>>>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>>>>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>>>>> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
>>>>
>>>> Let me be that person, "Fallen Angels" by Jerry Pournelle and crew
>>>> in 1991.  I found the novel to quite good as did several Amazon
>>>> reviewers.
>>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Angels-Larry-Niven/dp/067172052X/
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there is "Blind Waves" by Steven Gould in 2000:
>>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Waves-Steven-Gould/dp/0312864450/
>>>>
>>>> And "Flood" by Stephen Baxter in 2010:
>>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Flood-Novel-Stephen-Baxter/dp/0451463285/
>>>>
>>>> And "The Last Centurion" by John Ringo in 2009:
>>>>     https://www.amazon.com/Last-Centurion-John-Ringo/dp/1439132917/
>>>>
>>> "Published Before the 1980s".
>>
>> Hey, the actor asked for the 1990s book.  So I went there and camped out.
>>
> With 3/4's of your tent outside the block.  :P

Of course ! Give me an inch, I will take a mile.

Lynn

On 2022-10-11, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>
> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> warning,"

I see. I won't mention Robert Silverberg's _Time of the Great Freeze_
(1964) then.

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On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 10/11/2022 7:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
> >
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
> >
> > What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> > warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> > a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.
> As I recall a lot of the works that featured climate change from that
> time expected an Ice Age.

I like a good ice age novel, they're fun to read and helped keep me cool on a
hot Texas day. Plus, given the slow advance of ice sheets, most writers
set their books long after that yucky megadeath stuff happened, while
with GW being a contemporary issue, writers have to deal with the
messy details, like the family life of Miami exiles in Anchorage. Makes
you sad.

Plus if the writer actually cares (Michael Scott Rohan did) the details of past
ice ages can be looked up, and a fair amount of info can be gleaned as the
last ice age maximum was recent. It's harder to find usable information on
the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, for example so writers have
to make stuff up, or pick and choose between newspaper reports.

Summers are getting hotter here, so if any writer chooses to put out a nice
meaty ice age novel in, say, June 2024 I'll be interested. I'm open to
suggestions for a good GW novel for darkest February, 2023.

William Hyde

On 2022-10-13 2:36 p.m., William Hyde wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 10/11/2022 7:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>>
>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>>
>>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>>> a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.
>> As I recall a lot of the works that featured climate change from that
>> time expected an Ice Age.
>
> I like a good ice age novel, they're fun to read and helped keep me cool on a
> hot Texas day. Plus, given the slow advance of ice sheets, most writers
> set their books long after that yucky megadeath stuff happened, while
> with GW being a contemporary issue, writers have to deal with the
> messy details, like the family life of Miami exiles in Anchorage. Makes
> you sad.
>
> Plus if the writer actually cares (Michael Scott Rohan did) the details of past
> ice ages can be looked up, and a fair amount of info can be gleaned as the
> last ice age maximum was recent. It's harder to find usable information on
> the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, for example so writers have
> to make stuff up, or pick and choose between newspaper reports.
>

The number of creators who overestimate how much the ocean can possibly
rise annoys me.

On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 20:57:30 UTC, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2022-10-13 2:36 p.m., William Hyde wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >> On 10/11/2022 7:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
> >>>
> >>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
> >>>
> >>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> >>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> >>> a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.
> >> As I recall a lot of the works that featured climate change from that
> >> time expected an Ice Age.
> >
> > I like a good ice age novel, they're fun to read and helped keep me cool on a
> > hot Texas day. Plus, given the slow advance of ice sheets, most writers
> > set their books long after that yucky megadeath stuff happened, while
> > with GW being a contemporary issue, writers have to deal with the
> > messy details, like the family life of Miami exiles in Anchorage. Makes
> > you sad.
> >
> > Plus if the writer actually cares (Michael Scott Rohan did) the details of past
> > ice ages can be looked up, and a fair amount of info can be gleaned as the
> > last ice age maximum was recent. It's harder to find usable information on
> > the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, for example so writers have
> > to make stuff up, or pick and choose between newspaper reports.
> >
> The number of creators who overestimate how much the ocean can possibly
> rise annoys me.

God, for instance. I've read his book and the world building
is so inconsistent.

On 3/1/2023 9:34 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 1 March 2023 at 20:57:30 UTC, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-10-13 2:36 p.m., William Hyde wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 4:38:09 PM UTC-4, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2022 7:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>>>>>
>>>>> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
>>>>> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
>>>>> a particularly shitty novel from the early 1990s.
>>>> As I recall a lot of the works that featured climate change from that
>>>> time expected an Ice Age.
>>>
>>> I like a good ice age novel, they're fun to read and helped keep me cool on a
>>> hot Texas day. Plus, given the slow advance of ice sheets, most writers
>>> set their books long after that yucky megadeath stuff happened, while
>>> with GW being a contemporary issue, writers have to deal with the
>>> messy details, like the family life of Miami exiles in Anchorage. Makes
>>> you sad.
>>>
>>> Plus if the writer actually cares (Michael Scott Rohan did) the details of past
>>> ice ages can be looked up, and a fair amount of info can be gleaned as the
>>> last ice age maximum was recent. It's harder to find usable information on
>>> the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum, for example so writers have
>>> to make stuff up, or pick and choose between newspaper reports.
>>>
>> The number of creators who overestimate how much the ocean can possibly
>> rise annoys me.
>
> God, for instance. I've read his book and the world building
> is so inconsistent.

That is because he used so many different actors who rarely interacted
with each other.

Lynn

On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
>
> https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-before-the-1980s/
>
> What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.

Hi James,

You never did tell us the name of the novel from the early 1990s that
has raised your ire.

Lynn

In article <ttr987$deev$2@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/11/2022 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five SF Works About Climate Change Published Before the 1980s
> >
> > https://www.tor.com/2022/10/11/five-sf-works-about-climate-change-published-
> > before-the-1980s/
> >
> > What it says. I should clarify that I specifically mean "global
> > warning," despite which I expect at least one person to mention
> > a particularly s***** novel from the early 1990s.
>
> Hi James,
>
> You never did tell us the name of the novel from the early 1990s that
> has raised your ire.
>

My guess would be a Baen title published in December 1992.

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