In article <e44c5fd0-5563-4166-a26e-8a186658a650n@googlegroups.com>,
Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:06:27 PM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:37:43 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> >
>> > And there are two escape routes from the Med. The Straits of Gibraltar
>> > and the Suez Canal. Israel routinely sends one or two of their
>> > Dolphins, also reputedly armed with nuclear weapons, down the Suez
>> > Canal. And no, they do not pay the canal tax. I would bet that the USA
>> > does not pay the canal tax either.
>> > https://dod.defense.gov/OIR/gallery/igphoto/2001237565/
>
>> Suez max draft is 20.1m. Dolphin class is only 6.2m. Probably at least double
>> that when submerged. It's barely plausible that it could sail the
>canal submerged,
>> but I'd expect any periscope to to noticed quickly. It doesn't
>actually need to, the
>> Egypt-Israeli peace treaty allows Israeli warships to use the canal.
>
>The Suez is the one that got blocked by a container ship a few years
>back? I remember a side story about long wait times just queueing up to
>enter.

(Hal Heydt)
The Ever Given. Blockage was in March 2021...just last year.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 10:31:03 PM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 8:13:05 AM UTC-8, jack....@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 5:00:51 PM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > I think you're a bit confused.
> > No, I'm just not communicating it well to you. I should probably give it up as not worth the effort of three back-and-forths, but where would this newsgroup be if everybody did that? Let me expand on my previous lines around to try to make them clearer.
> > > > > > Looks like a Dolphin class is diesel-electric, there's only so long it can stay submerged.
> > I see transit time of the canal is 12 to 16 hours. (Plus a bit of queueing and positioning at the entrance, but if the Dolphin is sneaking in, it can jump the line.)
> > If the Dolphin is fully submerged, it has to run on battery.
> > > > > > It probably wants to go slow, just supplying the "hotel loads," pushing aside that water takes a lot of energy.
> > I really don't know how long its battery is good for. It probably spends a good deal of its time on the surface running the diesel. However...
> > > > > > It probably doesn't have to surface for diesel.
> > It probably has a snorkel arrangement, to draw in air when submerged, and exhaust most of the smoke out of the submarine.
> > > > using the Ohio as the only one I physically know where the intake and outlet for the diesel
> > , t
> > > > > > he Ohio class has a snorkel about as high as the periscope at the back of the sail, and bubbles the exhaust smoke out the top aft of the sail
> > , bubbling cools and disperses most of the smoke, making it less noticeable at a distance. Distance, however, is something we don't have in the canal.
> You're almost as bad as Quaddie in not doing basic research. The Dolphin class has
> a 400 nautical mile range, submerged.

That can't be right. Wait, I will look it up.
Huh. Air-independent fuel cells. Well! What will they think of next!

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-Jack

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 1:31:31 PM UTC-8, jack....@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 10:31:03 PM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 8:13:05 AM UTC-8, jack....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 5:00:51 PM UTC-5, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > I think you're a bit confused.
> > > No, I'm just not communicating it well to you. I should probably give it up as not worth the effort of three back-and-forths, but where would this newsgroup be if everybody did that? Let me expand on my previous lines around to try to make them clearer.
> > > > > > > Looks like a Dolphin class is diesel-electric, there's only so long it can stay submerged.
> > > I see transit time of the canal is 12 to 16 hours. (Plus a bit of queueing and positioning at the entrance, but if the Dolphin is sneaking in, it can jump the line.)
> > > If the Dolphin is fully submerged, it has to run on battery.
> > > > > > > It probably wants to go slow, just supplying the "hotel loads," pushing aside that water takes a lot of energy.
> > > I really don't know how long its battery is good for. It probably spends a good deal of its time on the surface running the diesel. However...
> > > > > > > It probably doesn't have to surface for diesel.
> > > It probably has a snorkel arrangement, to draw in air when submerged, and exhaust most of the smoke out of the submarine.
> > > > > using the Ohio as the only one I physically know where the intake and outlet for the diesel
> > > , t
> > > > > > > he Ohio class has a snorkel about as high as the periscope at the back of the sail, and bubbles the exhaust smoke out the top aft of the sail
> > > , bubbling cools and disperses most of the smoke, making it less noticeable at a distance. Distance, however, is something we don't have in the canal.
> > You're almost as bad as Quaddie in not doing basic research. The Dolphin class has
> > a 400 nautical mile range, submerged.
> That can't be right. Wait, I will look it up.
> Huh. Air-independent fuel cells. Well! What will they think of next!

Thanks for actually going and checking. At times I feel like the only one here who does.

Pt

On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 3:52:37 AM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:06:56 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
> > I highly suspect that the KGB are insanely loyal to Putin and would
> > enforce any of his edicts. Those military officers have families and
> > the KGB could arrest them.
> Oh, indeed. (And that it's the FSB now is too unimportant a detail for
> it to be worth correcting you; I consider it quite blameless of you that
> you do not wish to be bothered keeping track of their name changes.)
>
>

Change the name as many times as they like, the are still
"Chekists." See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Soviet_secret_police_agencies

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Kevin R