I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
missed it.

I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
accurate it all is.

You may ask why I was looking this up. (Ok probably not, but I am mostly
retired and have bunches of time on my hands so you can quit reading
here if you are so inclined but I will curse you forever.) I have a
very, very, very part time job picking and delivering up human organs
(mostly kidneys) as follows:
Pick up from hospital and deliver to air cargo at some airport

or

Pick up from air cargo and deliver to a hospital

or just once

Pick up from hospital, go to the airport and get on a plane, get off
said plane and deliver to a courier outside of baggage claim, and
fly home

or just once

Meet a courier outside of air cargo and deliver to a hospital.

I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good.

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

In article <tse5k2$27e4e$1@dont-email.me>, BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
>that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
>missed it.
>
>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
>accurate it all is.
>
>You may ask why I was looking this up. (Ok probably not, but I am mostly
>retired and have bunches of time on my hands so you can quit reading
>here if you are so inclined but I will curse you forever.) I have a
>very, very, very part time job picking and delivering up human organs
>(mostly kidneys) as follows:

I am very curious how you avoid traffic delays for such a time-
sensitive package.
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BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
>that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
>missed it.
>
>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
>accurate it all is.

I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to _Blade Runner_
(the Nourse original, not the movie).

jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>
>In article <tse5k2$27e4e$1@dont-email.me>, BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
>>that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
>>missed it.
>>
>>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
>>accurate it all is.
>>
>>You may ask why I was looking this up. (Ok probably not, but I am mostly
>>retired and have bunches of time on my hands so you can quit reading
>>here if you are so inclined but I will curse you forever.) I have a
>>very, very, very part time job picking and delivering up human organs
>>(mostly kidneys) as follows:
>
>I am very curious how you avoid traffic delays for such a time-
>sensitive package.

Ice?

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
news:39xGL.869762$9sn9.74@fx17.iad:

> BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
>>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I
>>don't know that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More
>>than likely I just missed it.
>>
>>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too
>>sure how accurate it all is.
>
> I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to _Blade
> Runner_ (the Nourse original, not the movie).
>
You'd be wrong. Ges back to Niven.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2/13/23 12:35, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>>
>> In article <tse5k2$27e4e$1@dont-email.me>, BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
>>> that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
>>> missed it.
>>>
>>> I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>>> references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
>>> accurate it all is.
>>>
>>> You may ask why I was looking this up. (Ok probably not, but I am mostly
>>> retired and have bunches of time on my hands so you can quit reading
>>> here if you are so inclined but I will curse you forever.) I have a
>>> very, very, very part time job picking and delivering up human organs
>>> (mostly kidneys) as follows:
>>
>> I am very curious how you avoid traffic delays for such a time-
>> sensitive package.
>
> Ice?
The organs are packed in ice inside heavy plastic sacks which is
generally inside a cardboard box. I have never received one in a cooler.
No dry ice as this would damage the organ. Kidneys are good for about 24
hours this way. Livers have a much shorter spoil time. The one liver I
did came via private air cargo. I actually met the transport crew on the
runway and drove to the hospital. It was at 5 a.m. so the traffic was
not too bad.

So, traffic delays are not usually a problem. Adding an hour shouldn't
cause difficulties unless I can't get to an airport in time to make the
scheduled flight. They build in a pretty good cushion. This hasn't
happened so far. I imagine if it looked like there was going to be a
problem, I'd call CHP and explain my problem. I might get an escort to
the airport. Or not.

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
> I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
> that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
> missed it.
>
> I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
> references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
> accurate it all is.
>
> You may ask why I was looking this up. (Ok probably not, but I am mostly
> retired and have bunches of time on my hands so you can quit reading
> here if you are so inclined but I will curse you forever.) I have a
> very, very, very part time job picking and delivering up human organs
> (mostly kidneys) as follows:
>     Pick up from hospital and deliver to air cargo at some airport
>
>     or
>
>     Pick up from air cargo and deliver to a hospital
>
>     or just once
>
>     Pick up from hospital, go to the airport and get on a plane, get off
>     said plane and deliver to a courier outside of baggage claim, and
>     fly home
>
>     or just once
>
>     Meet a courier outside of air cargo and deliver to a hospital.
>
> I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good.
>
Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
time of donor organs,
<https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>,
keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth. :-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:05:34 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> news:39xGL.869762$9sn...@fx17.iad:
> > BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
> >>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I
> >>don't know that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More
> >>than likely I just missed it.
> >>
> >>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
> >>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too
> >>sure how accurate it all is.
> >
> > I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to _Blade
> > Runner_ (the Nourse original, not the movie).
> >
> You'd be wrong. Ges back to Niven.

Maybe James meant that the Nourse original had the concept of
illegal trade in human organs, not that it used the word.

In article <d6c82ab7-6be1-4795-81b6-a4ecaa09ab90n@googlegroups.com>,
Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:05:34 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
>Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> news:39xGL.869762$9sn...@fx17.iad:
>> > BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
>> >>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I
>> >>don't know that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More
>> >>than likely I just missed it.
>> >>
>> >>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>> >>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too
>> >>sure how accurate it all is.
>> >
>> > I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to _Blade
>> > Runner_ (the Nourse original, not the movie).
>> >
>> You'd be wrong. Ges back to Niven.
>
>Maybe James meant that the Nourse original had the concept of
>illegal trade in human organs, not that it used the word.

I don't remember organlegging in the Nourse at all.
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Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d6c82ab7-6be1-4795-81b6-a4ecaa09ab90n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:05:34 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>> news:39xGL.869762$9sn...@fx17.iad:
>> > BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
>> >>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I
>> >>don't know that I have ever seen it mentioned here before.
>> >>More than likely I just missed it.
>> >>
>> >>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of
>> >>the references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm
>> >>not too sure how accurate it all is.
>> >
>> > I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to
>> > _Blade Runner_ (the Nourse original, not the movie).
>> >
>> You'd be wrong. Ges back to Niven.
>
> Maybe James meant that the Nourse original had the concept of
> illegal trade in human organs, not that it used the word.

James didn't mention Nourse, as the attributions show. Scott did.
(And he put the term in quotes, which suggests he was referring to
the term itself, not the practice it represents.)

And he was mistaken.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

In article <d6c82ab7-6be1-4795-81b6-a4ecaa09ab90n@googlegroups.com>,
Ross Presser <rpresser@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:05:34 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha wrote:
> > sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> > news:39xGL.869762$9sn...@fx17.iad:
> > > BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
> > >>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I
> > >>don't know that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More
> > >>than likely I just missed it.
> > >>
> > >>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
> > >>references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too
> > >>sure how accurate it all is.
> > >
> > > I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to _Blade
> > > Runner_ (the Nourse original, not the movie).
> > >
> > You'd be wrong. Ges back to Niven.
>
> Maybe James meant that the Nourse original had the concept of
> illegal trade in human organs, not that it used the word.

While I haven't read it, but there is a wikipedia article on Nourse's
novel, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bladerunner>. Don't see
any hint of organ transplants (though that might be possible).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:

>>
> Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
> time of donor organs,
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth.  :-)
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)

I talked to one of my buddies and he had the following to say:

"As for the heart transplant story, the short answer is that yes,
similar technology is available in the US, although it's normothermic
rather than hypothermic (we've done ~15 hearts this way in Arizona).
Kidneys are preserved using hypothermic machine preservation, and our
record is 60 hours (others have gone out to 80, I believe)."
---

As far as I know, they are still handing me a box filled with an organ
and ice.

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On 15 Feb 2023 at 02:37:32 GMT, "BCFD36" <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:

> On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
>
>>>
>> Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
>> time of donor organs,
>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth. :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Gary B-)
>
> I talked to one of my buddies and he had the following to say:
>
> "As for the heart transplant story, the short answer is that yes,
> similar technology is available in the US, although it's normothermic
> rather than hypothermic (we've done ~15 hearts this way in Arizona).
> Kidneys are preserved using hypothermic machine preservation, and our
> record is 60 hours (others have gone out to 80, I believe)."
> ---
>
> As far as I know, they are still handing me a box filled with an organ
> and ice.

Hooking hearts up like that eats into the available time, while bedding
them in ice is quick and easy.

Friend of mine who's an operating theatre surgical nurse used to do
organ runs occasionally for overtime pay at his last hospital. He'd get
blue-lit to the airport or whatever usually, but a trip would rarely be
more than two hours one way. Just ice for that too.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
I am always a bit unhappy when I spot a bit of text that
made perfect sense in my brain but on passing through
my fingers turned into a word salad suggesting that
someone had jammed an ice pick into my head and
stirred while I was typing. -- James Nicoll

On 2/15/23 03:11, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On 15 Feb 2023 at 02:37:32 GMT, "BCFD36" <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
>>> time of donor organs,
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Gary B-)
>>
>> I talked to one of my buddies and he had the following to say:
>>
>> "As for the heart transplant story, the short answer is that yes,
>> similar technology is available in the US, although it's normothermic
>> rather than hypothermic (we've done ~15 hearts this way in Arizona).
>> Kidneys are preserved using hypothermic machine preservation, and our
>> record is 60 hours (others have gone out to 80, I believe)."
>> ---
>>
>> As far as I know, they are still handing me a box filled with an organ
>> and ice.
>
> Hooking hearts up like that eats into the available time, while bedding
> them in ice is quick and easy.
>
> Friend of mine who's an operating theatre surgical nurse used to do
> organ runs occasionally for overtime pay at his last hospital. He'd get
> blue-lit to the airport or whatever usually, but a trip would rarely be
> more than two hours one way. Just ice for that too.
>
> Cheers - Jaimie

Hearts are good for about 4 hours outside the body and on ice. That
won't survive a Houston to NYC trip let alone a San Diego to Miami trip.
That new device would be radical change.
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
>> I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
>> that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I
>> just missed it.
>>
>> I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>> references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure
>> how accurate it all is.
>>
>> You may ask why I was looking this up. (Ok probably not, but I am
>> mostly retired and have bunches of time on my hands so you can quit
>> reading here if you are so inclined but I will curse you forever.) I
>> have a very, very, very part time job picking and delivering up human
>> organs (mostly kidneys) as follows:
>>      Pick up from hospital and deliver to air cargo at some airport
>>
>>      or
>>
>>      Pick up from air cargo and deliver to a hospital
>>
>>      or just once
>>
>>      Pick up from hospital, go to the airport and get on a plane, get off
>>      said plane and deliver to a courier outside of baggage claim, and
>>      fly home
>>
>>      or just once
>>
>>      Meet a courier outside of air cargo and deliver to a hospital.
>>
>> I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good.
>>
> Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
> time of donor organs,
> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth.  :-)
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)
My friends in the transplant business say the following are the general
guidelines, at least a of a couple of years ago:
Hearts--4 hours
Lungs--4 to 6 hours
Livers--up to 12 hours, but usually try to keep below 8
Kidneys--24 hours, longer (as much as 48 hours) if on a pulsatile
preservation unit
Pancreas--12 hours
Intestine--8 hours

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 02:37:37 UTC, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> > On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
>
> >>
> > Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
> > time of donor organs,
> > <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth. :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gary B-)
> I talked to one of my buddies and he had the following to say:
>
> "As for the heart transplant story, the short answer is that yes,
> similar technology is available in the US, although it's normothermic
> rather than hypothermic (we've done ~15 hearts this way in Arizona).
> Kidneys are preserved using hypothermic machine preservation, and our
> record is 60 hours (others have gone out to 80, I believe)."
> ---
>
> As far as I know, they are still handing me a box filled with an organ
> and ice.

For some reason I'm thinking of a certain television
sci fi story where the brain symbiote has to be saved
by implanting it into a human crew member.

More than one such story, in fact.

I take it you are /not/ putting yourself forward for that. :-)

Though it could lead to regular guest appearances
for many seasons to come.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 7:44:42 PM UTC-5, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 02:37:37 UTC, BCFD36 wrote:
> > On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> > > On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > > Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
> > > time of donor organs,
> > > <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth. :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Gary B-)
> > I talked to one of my buddies and he had the following to say:
> >
> > "As for the heart transplant story, the short answer is that yes,
> > similar technology is available in the US, although it's normothermic
> > rather than hypothermic (we've done ~15 hearts this way in Arizona).
> > Kidneys are preserved using hypothermic machine preservation, and our
> > record is 60 hours (others have gone out to 80, I believe)."
> > ---
> >
> > As far as I know, they are still handing me a box filled with an organ
> > and ice.
> For some reason I'm thinking of a certain television
> sci fi story where the brain symbiote has to be saved
> by implanting it into a human crew member.
>
> More than one such story, in fact.
>
> I take it you are /not/ putting yourself forward for that. :-)
>
> Though it could lead to regular guest appearances
> for many seasons to come.

Stargate: SG-1, perhaps?

https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Tok%27ra

This story was on the CBS Evening News for 14 Feb, 2023

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-transplants-donation-after-circulatory-death/

--
Kevin R

On 2/15/23 16:44, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 02:37:37 UTC, BCFD36 wrote:
>> On 2/13/23 22:07, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2023 07:12, BCFD36 wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Here in Oz we've had a bit of a breakthrough in extending the viability
>>> time of donor organs,
>>> <https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-28/heart-transplant-technology-viable-donor-recipient-hevp/101870978>, keeping a heart viable all the way from Sydney to Perth. :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Gary B-)
>> I talked to one of my buddies and he had the following to say:
>>
>> "As for the heart transplant story, the short answer is that yes,
>> similar technology is available in the US, although it's normothermic
>> rather than hypothermic (we've done ~15 hearts this way in Arizona).
>> Kidneys are preserved using hypothermic machine preservation, and our
>> record is 60 hours (others have gone out to 80, I believe)."
>> ---
>>
>> As far as I know, they are still handing me a box filled with an organ
>> and ice.
>
> For some reason I'm thinking of a certain television
> sci fi story where the brain symbiote has to be saved
> by implanting it into a human crew member.
>
> More than one such story, in fact.
>
> I take it you are /not/ putting yourself forward for that. :-)
>
> Though it could lead to regular guest appearances
> for many seasons to come.

Not that I know of!

--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On 2023-02-13 1:34 p.m., Scott Lurndal wrote:
> BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
>> I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I don't know
>> that I have ever seen it mentioned here before. More than likely I just
>> missed it.
>>
>> I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of the
>> references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm not too sure how
>> accurate it all is.
>
> I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to _Blade Runner_
> (the Nourse original, not the movie).
>

The Bladerunner had no organ transplants. They had enough trouble just
getting regular medical care. The most exotic thing in them was the
robot surgeons that the asshole doctor was sabotaging.

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 12:39:32 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Ross Presser <rpre...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:d6c82ab7-6be1-4795...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 4:05:34 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> > Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >> sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
> >> news:39xGL.869762$9sn...@fx17.iad:
> >> > BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
> >> >>I just ran across the web site https://sfdictionary.com/. I
> >> >>don't know that I have ever seen it mentioned here before.
> >> >>More than likely I just missed it.
> >> >>
> >> >>I was looking up he term "organlegger" and this was one of
> >> >>the references that popped up. Lots of good stuff here. I'm
> >> >>not too sure how accurate it all is.
> >> >
> >> > I would expect that "organlegger" will lead directly to
> >> > _Blade Runner_ (the Nourse original, not the movie).
> >> >
> >> You'd be wrong. Ges back to Niven.
> >
> > Maybe James meant that the Nourse original had the concept of
> > illegal trade in human organs, not that it used the word.
> James didn't mention Nourse, as the attributions show. Scott did.
> (And he put the term in quotes, which suggests he was referring to
> the term itself, not the practice it represents.)
>
> And he was mistaken.

Oops.

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:12:50 -0800, BCFD36 <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:

>I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good.

I'm pretty sure Larry Niven used the term long before Blade Runner

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:07:39 PM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:12:50 -0800, BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> >I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good.
> I'm pretty sure Larry Niven used the term long before Blade Runner

1967, 'The Jigsaw Man'

Pt

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:07:39 PM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:12:50 -0800, BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> >I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good.
> I'm pretty sure Larry Niven used the term long before Blade Runner

This sent me on a chase to find the earliest appearance. One false answer is 1934,
as claimed by Google in this search (I see it as the fourth hit)
https://www.google.com/search?q=organlegger&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1900%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F31%2F1967&tbm=bks

] The Aryan Path - Volume 5 - Page 490
] books.google.com › books
] Sophia Wadia · 1934 · ‎Snippet view
] Found inside – Page 490
] ... of time a up by those who found them informidable army of bandits ( " boot- convenient ; and Americans organleggers ” ) was organised to supply ised bandits on behalf of their ...

You can see in this screenshot that the first half of "organised", hyphenated at
the far right of column two, and the last half of "bootlegger", hyphenated at the right
of column one, were mistakenly combined and produced a Google hit.

https://i.imgur.com/DUJsPYq.png

Well, I thought it was funny.

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 2:11:37 PM UTC-4, Ross Presser wrote:
> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:07:39 PM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:12:50 -0800, BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good..
> > I'm pretty sure Larry Niven used the term long before Blade Runner
> This sent me on a chase to find the earliest appearance. One false answer is 1934,
> as claimed by Google in this search (I see it as the fourth hit)
> https://www.google.com/search?q=organlegger&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1900%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F31%2F1967&tbm=bks
>
> ] The Aryan Path - Volume 5 - Page 490
> ] books.google.com › books
> ] Sophia Wadia · 1934 · ‎Snippet view
> ] Found inside – Page 490
> ] ... of time a up by those who found them informidable army of bandits ( " boot- convenient ; and Americans organleggers ” ) was organised to supply ised bandits on behalf of their ...
>
> You can see in this screenshot that the first half of "organised", hyphenated at
> the far right of column two, and the last half of "bootlegger", hyphenated at the right
> of column one, were mistakenly combined and produced a Google hit.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/DUJsPYq.png
>
> Well, I thought it was funny.

When checking Google Advanced Book Search for 'first appearance' of terms,
you have to be very careful to look at the image as a sanity check. Its quite
common for the dates Google has for a work to be wildly wrong.

A general familiarity with history, publishing style, and fonts helps a great deal.

pt

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-6, Ross Presser wrote:
> On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:07:39 PM UTC-5, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 12:12:50 -0800, BCFD36 <bcf...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I guess this doesn't really make me an organlegger, but it sounds good..
> > I'm pretty sure Larry Niven used the term long before Blade Runner
> This sent me on a chase to find the earliest appearance. One false answer is 1934,
> as claimed by Google in this search (I see it as the fourth hit)
> https://www.google.com/search?q=organlegger&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F1900%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F31%2F1967&tbm=bks
>
> ] The Aryan Path - Volume 5 - Page 490
> ] books.google.com › books
> ] Sophia Wadia · 1934 · ‎Snippet view
> ] Found inside – Page 490
> ] ... of time a up by those who found them informidable army of bandits ( " boot- convenient ; and Americans organleggers ” ) was organised to supply ised bandits on behalf of their ...
>
> You can see in this screenshot that the first half of "organised", hyphenated at
> the far right of column two, and the last half of "bootlegger", hyphenated at the right
> of column one, were mistakenly combined and produced a Google hit.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/DUJsPYq.png
>
> Well, I thought it was funny.

It's on Snippet View for Canadians, but I found the volume on the Internet Archive...

https://archive.org/details/dli.calcutta.03489/

It turns out its a publication from India, rather than something by Nazi sympathizers
in the U.S. or some such thing.

John Savard