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* AI creeping in everywhere....pete...@gmail.com
+* Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Scott Lurndal
|`- Re: AI creeping in everywhere....pete...@gmail.com
`* Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Paul S Person
 +* Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Jaimie Vandenbergh
 |`* Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Paul S Person
 | `* Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Scott Lurndal
 |  `- Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Paul S Person
 `* Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Jack Bohn
  +- Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Robert Carnegie
  `- Re: AI creeping in everywhere....Paul S Person

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:45 UTC

I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
won't.

Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
the time.

"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed".
- William Gibson

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:38 UTC

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:
>I use Google Groups, which I realize is d=C3=A9class=C3=A9e with many
>usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>won't.

There are usenet provides that provide access over port 443.

https://support.usenetserver.com/kb/article/298-server-and-ports/

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 16:59 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

>I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
>usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>won't.
>
>Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
>will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
>two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
>the time.

It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).

And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
sh*t.

Any idea how to turn it off?
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 20:02 UTC

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 11:38:41 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
> >I use Google Groups, which I realize is d=C3=A9class=C3=A9e with many
> >usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
> >won't.
> There are usenet provides that provide access over port 443.
>
> https://support.usenetserver.com/kb/article/298-server-and-ports/

Port 119 is just part of the problem. We also filter protocols, and much else,
including SSL decryption at the firewall. My employer is a high value target,
and takes potential routes of data exfiltration very seriously.

pt

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 by: Jaimie Vandenbergh - Thu, 9 Mar 2023 20:42 UTC

On 9 Mar 2023 at 16:59:41 GMT, "Paul S Person"
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
>> usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>> won't.
>>
>> Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
>> will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
>> two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
>> the time.
>
> It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
>
> And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
> sh*t.
>
> Any idea how to turn it off?

You're using Agent. There's no way that does predictive text.

If you're seeing it on your phone/tablet, check your keyboard settings
to disable it. That's a keyboard-software-provided feature.

Elsewhere? You have some terrible software infiltrating your I/O stream.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
Tetris has taught me that accomplishments disappear and mistakes pile up.

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:13 UTC

On 9 Mar 2023 20:42:51 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh
<jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

>On 9 Mar 2023 at 16:59:41 GMT, "Paul S Person"
><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
>> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
>>> usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>>> won't.
>>>
>>> Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
>>> will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
>>> two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
>>> the time.
>>
>> It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
>>
>> And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
>> sh*t.
>>
>> Any idea how to turn it off?
>
>You're using Agent. There's no way that does predictive text.

You are correct -- and that's a good thing.

I did solve my "EternalSeptember won't accept fancy quotes" problem,
BTW. Then EternalSeptember timed out a couple of times.

And I mean timed out -- multiple tries from Agent before reporting a
time out, not just one instance, and multiple tries by me.

Each time, I went to their website, popped up Server Status, saw only
the port 433 line was green (the others were yellow) -- and then the
page blinked, everything went green, and it was back.

Leading to the question: were the servers lonely and needed someone to
take an interest in them before they would perk up and work?

>If you're seeing it on your phone/tablet, check your keyboard settings
>to disable it. That's a keyboard-software-provided feature.
>
>Elsewhere? You have some terrible software infiltrating your I/O stream.

I'm seeing it on Edge, most memorably with Amazon reviews, but
elsewhere as well. As a result, I can't even tell if it's an Edge
problem or an Amazon problem, or both.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:52 UTC

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On 9 Mar 2023 20:42:51 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh
><jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>
>>On 9 Mar 2023 at 16:59:41 GMT, "Paul S Person"
>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
>>> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> I use Google Groups, which I realize is d=E9class=E9e with many
>>>> usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>>>> won't.
>>>>=20
>>>> Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, =
>GG
>>>> will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
>>>> two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than =
>half
>>>> the time.
>>>=20
>>> It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
>>>=20
>>> And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
>>> sh*t.
>>>=20
>>> Any idea how to turn it off?
>>
>>You're using Agent. There's no way that does predictive text.
>
>You are correct -- and that's a good thing.
>
>I did solve my "EternalSeptember won't accept fancy quotes" problem,
>BTW. Then EternalSeptember timed out a couple of times.=20
>
>And I mean timed out -- multiple tries from Agent before reporting a
>time out, not just one instance, and multiple tries by me.
>
>Each time, I went to their website, popped up Server Status, saw only
>the port 433 line was green (the others were yellow) -- and then the
>page blinked, everything went green, and it was back.=20
>
>Leading to the question: were the servers lonely and needed someone to
>take an interest in them before they would perk up and work?
>
>>If you're seeing it on your phone/tablet, check your keyboard settings
>>to disable it. That's a keyboard-software-provided feature.
>>
>>Elsewhere? You have some terrible software infiltrating your I/O stream.
>
>I'm seeing it on Edge, most memorably with Amazon reviews, but

https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/07/microsoft-updates-its-edge-web-browser-with-built-in-a-i-capabilities/

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 by: Jack Bohn - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:21 UTC

Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
> >usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
> >won't.
> >
> >Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
> >will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
> >two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
> >the time.
> It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
>
> And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
> sh*t.

What's particularly annoying is when I notice it is autocompleting a long word or the next couple of words and I hit Tab, then the grammarchecker flags the word. I'm like, "You're the one who suggested it!"

--
-Jack

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 00:07 UTC

On Friday, 10 March 2023 at 21:21:57 UTC, Jack Bohn wrote:
> Paul S Person wrote:
> > On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
> > <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
> > >usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
> > >won't.
> > >
> > >Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
> > >will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
> > >two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
> > >the time.
> > It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
> >
> > And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
> > sh*t.
> What's particularly annoying is when I notice it is autocompleting a long word or the next couple of words and I hit Tab, then the grammarchecker flags the word. I'm like, "You're the one who suggested it!"

So are there any real people here now?

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:24 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:52:15 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On 9 Mar 2023 20:42:51 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh
>><jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 9 Mar 2023 at 16:59:41 GMT, "Paul S Person"
>>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
>>>> <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> I use Google Groups, which I realize is d=E9class=E9e with many
>>>>> usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>>>>> won't.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, >>GG
>>>>> will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
>>>>> two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than >>half
>>>>> the time.
>>>>=20
>>>> It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
>>>>=20
>>>> And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
>>>> sh*t.
>>>>=20
>>>> Any idea how to turn it off?
>>>
>>>You're using Agent. There's no way that does predictive text.
>>
>>You are correct -- and that's a good thing.
>>
>>I did solve my "EternalSeptember won't accept fancy quotes" problem,
>>BTW. Then EternalSeptember timed out a couple of times.=20
>>
>>And I mean timed out -- multiple tries from Agent before reporting a
>>time out, not just one instance, and multiple tries by me.
>>
>>Each time, I went to their website, popped up Server Status, saw only
>>the port 433 line was green (the others were yellow) -- and then the
>>page blinked, everything went green, and it was back.=20
>>
>>Leading to the question: were the servers lonely and needed someone to
>>take an interest in them before they would perk up and work?
>>
>>>If you're seeing it on your phone/tablet, check your keyboard settings
>>>to disable it. That's a keyboard-software-provided feature.
>>>
>>>Elsewhere? You have some terrible software infiltrating your I/O stream.
>>
>>I'm seeing it on Edge, most memorably with Amazon reviews, but
>
>
>https://techcrunch.com/2023/02/07/microsoft-updates-its-edge-web-browser-with-built-in-a-i-capabilities/

Doesn't seem to say anything about text completion or how to turn it
off, though.

Doesn't sound related to the annoyance I am seeing at all.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Paul S Person - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:25 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:21:51 -0800 (PST), Jack Bohn
<jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 07:45:14 -0800 (PST), "pete...@gmail.com"
>> <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I use Google Groups, which I realize is déclassée with many
>> >usenetters, but it gets through my company firewall, which port 119
>> >won't.
>> >
>> >Just today, I'm starting to see it using predictive text. As I type, GG
>> >will propose the finish of the word I'm typing, and another word or
>> >two to follow. Hitting tab fills it in. Its right somewhat less than half
>> >the time.
>> It's also not limited to GG (no, you never said it was).
>>
>> And (right, wrong, or OK but not what I had in mind) it's annoying as
>> sh*t.
>
>What's particularly annoying is when I notice it is autocompleting a long word or the next couple of words and I hit Tab, then the grammarchecker flags the word. I'm like, "You're the one who suggested it!"

What, you thought the autocompler and the grammar checker /talked/ to
each other?

alternately:

What, you didn't realize the whole point of both is to irritate the
user as much as possible?
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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