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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:32 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:55:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>On 3/9/2023 2:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 3/9/2023 12:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>>> And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
>>> Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.
>>
>>Don't forget the muslim attempted invasion of Austria, under 400 years
>>ago in 1683.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
>
>Which was far more about territory than religion.

And this matters ... how?

We aren't discussing the proposition "all religions start wars". We
are discussing whether 9/11 being revenge for the Crusades, or even
for supporting Israel, makes any sense at all.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:36 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 12:59:13 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 3/9/2023 12:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/8/2023 11:32 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:22:55?AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 17:12:31 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:14:20=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, WolfFan wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2023, Quadibloc wrote=20
>>>>>>> (in article<707e1ea9-4b71-453d...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:15:31=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Scott
>>>>>>>> Lurndal wro>>>>>> te:=20
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> All religions have (or have had) those to whom terrorist=20
>>>>>>>>> techniques are not anathema when in support of their=20
>>>>>>>>> religion (Irgun comes to mind, for example); no need to single
>>>>>>>>> out=20
>>>>>>>>> one or the other.=20
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> This is true, but in the context of 9/11, as opposed to domestic=20
>>>>>>>> terrorism, it could be considered misleading. Or rather, in the=20
>>>>>>>> context of the Munich Olympics, the Achille Lauro, 9/11, and=20
>>>>>>>> numerous other incidents of that nature.=20
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> It certainly appears that terror attacks from Muslim extremists=20
>>>>>>>> have been a much bigger problem for Western industrialized=20
>>>>>>>> countries than terror attacks related to any other religious
>>>>>>>> faith=20
>>>>>>>> for quite some time now.=20
>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>> Only if you don=E2=80=99t count terror attacks mounted by, say,
>>>>>>> the IRA&>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>> associated murderers. The IRA has cooled down, lately, but can
>>>>>>> easily boi>>>>>> l=20
>>>>>>> over again.=20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wikipedia finds 20 Muslim terrorist attacks in the EU during
>>>>>> 2014-2020, kil>>>>>> ling
>>>>>> 386 people.=20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not trivial. The US has actually managed much better.
>>>>>
>>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>>> east by the USA.
>>>> Ah, blaming the victim.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, no sale!
>>>>
>>>> And, besides, what was /actually/ cited by Bin Laden was the Crusades.
>>>> The USA had nothing to do with the Crusades.
>>>
>>> OBL regarded non-Muslim armies in KSA as new Crusaders.
>>>
>>> Pt
>>
>> My thought also.
>>
>And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
>Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.

It also ignores the fact that the Mongols are the ones who destroyed
the Muslim civilizations in Central Asia, not the Crusaders.

9/11 would have made a /lot/ more sense, historically, in Ulan Bator.
Or perhaps Beijing, as China was controlled by the Mongols then.

The destruction, BTW, was so bad that the civilizations collapsed and
became the cramped and angry culture touted by the radical Muslims.

Libraries were burned. Irrigation systems were destroyed. Conquerors
sat on hills ("mountains") of skulls.

Much as the Counter-reformation did to Roman Catholicism. People tend
to cower down and get strict when their civilization dies.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:46 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 11:32:07 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:55:45 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> wrote:
> >Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>On 3/9/2023 2:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >>> On 3/9/2023 12:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >
> >>> And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
> >>> Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.
> >>
> >>Don't forget the muslim attempted invasion of Austria, under 400 years
> >>ago in 1683.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
> >
> >Which was far more about territory than religion.
> And this matters ... how?
>
> We aren't discussing the proposition "all religions start wars". We
> are discussing whether 9/11 being revenge for the Crusades, or even
> for supporting Israel, makes any sense at all.
> --
> "In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
> development was the disintegration, under Christian
> influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
> of family right."

Wikipedia summarizes OBLs 2002 'Letter to America' thus:

"These motivations were published in bin Laden's November 2002 "Letter to America",[4][5]
in which he said that al-Qaeda's motives for the attacks included Western support for
attacking Muslims in Somalia, supporting Russian atrocities against Muslims in Chechnya,
supporting the Indian oppression against Muslims in Kashmir, condoning the 1982
massacres in Lebanon, the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia,[5][6][7] US support of
Israel,[8][9] and sanctions against Iraq.[10]"

....so the real answer appears to be "all of the above".

Pt

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 by: Alan - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:13 UTC

On 2023-03-10 08:29, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 05:08:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
> <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:38:22?AM UTC+11, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35?AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>> east by the USA.
>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>
>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>> something is wrong with them.
>>
>> You really should look at what's happening in Israel and Palestine before you go off on a bullshit rank
>>
>>>
>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>
>> Because Israel is killing Palestinians, destroying their housing, blocking medicines, supplies etc...
>
> Israel's behavior has indeed become unacceptable and ultimately
> suicidal. And stokes well-motivated hatred.
>
> But Israel was hated before it was born. It was hated because it was
> for Jews, and a lot of Muslims can't have that. Nice, quiet,
> self-effacing, extra tax-paying Jews they can stomach, but not Jews
> strutting about as if they were actually human beings.
>
> An article in /Smithsonian/ about 3 decades ago was by a truck driver
> who worked in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. One of the books he found
> was titled "Saddam -- the New Hitler". Adolf was a hero to these
> people; their only compaint was that he didn't finish the job.
>
> But, as I say, Israel has long gone down a path of repression which
> will eventually result in its own destruction.

Yup. Pretty much spot on.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:03 UTC

On 3/10/2023 8:29 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 05:08:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
> <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:38:22?AM UTC+11, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35?AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>> east by the USA.
>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>
>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>> something is wrong with them.
>>
>> You really should look at what's happening in Israel and Palestine before you go off on a bullshit rank
>>
>>>
>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>
>> Because Israel is killing Palestinians, destroying their housing, blocking medicines, supplies etc...
>
> Israel's behavior has indeed become unacceptable and ultimately
> suicidal. And stokes well-motivated hatred.
>
> But Israel was hated before it was born. It was hated because it was
> for Jews, and a lot of Muslims can't have that. Nice, quiet,
> self-effacing, extra tax-paying Jews they can stomach, but not Jews
> strutting about as if they were actually human beings.
>
> An article in /Smithsonian/ about 3 decades ago was by a truck driver
> who worked in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. One of the books he found
> was titled "Saddam -- the New Hitler". Adolf was a hero to these
> people; their only complaint was that he didn't finish the job.
>
Saddam's political party started out literally as a WW2 Nazi party local
to the Middle East and actively supporting the Third Reich in its war on
the rest of Europe.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Kevrob - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 20:43 UTC

On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> > One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
> > so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
> > east by the USA.
> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>
> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
> something is wrong with them.
>
> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>
> It stems from their concept of "dhimmi". In Egypt, for example,
> Coptic Christians don't have equal rights. If the United States
> were to empower the Coptic Christians to enjoy full equality
> by making them citizens of a sovereign state, strong enough
> to resist any potential attack by Egypt, I'm sure that this, too,
> would be considered objectionable.
>
> Or look at the blasphemy law in Pakistan.
>
> Basically: a lot of the Muslims living in majority-Muslim countries
> see nothing wrong with a situation where if a Muslim commits
> a crime there against a non-Muslim, he can get away with it,
> and if the non-Muslims resist, it's a crime against nature!
>
> So the fact that the Jews of Israel successfully resisted, by
> armed force, an attempt to put them under Muslim misrule of that
> sort... instead of being accepted as getting what they deserved,
> and resolving to do better and wipe out discrimination against
> non-Muslims in their countries in future... resulted in them
> doubling down on their wrong thinking.
>
> This led to further losses of territory to Israel after subsequent
> attempts to commit aggression against it.
>
> If only the Soviet Union could have fallen back in 1973, just
> after the Yom Kippur War had started, instead of much later.
>
> There would have been an end to the oil embargo, and all the
> countries that participated in the attack on Israel, or the breaking
> of contracts for export of oil... would have ended up under U.S. or
> Israeli occupation. Peace in the Middle East would then have
> resulted.
>

This totally ignores an underlying cause of the oil shiekdoms wanting
to break those contracts: the inflation of the 1960s and 1970s, which
culminated with Nixon severing the link between the US dollar and gold
for foreign holders of the currency.

> After the Holocaust, only a truly sick evil person wants to kill
> Jews. We just have to get the entire Muslim world agreeing
> with this sentiment the same way people in the Northeastern
> United States do.
>
> And, of course, when the Soviet Union did fall, China didn't have
> nuclear submarines yet. So the U.S. could have destroyed its
> nuclear capability, and carried out regime change - giving the
> mainland back to Taiwan, except for Tibet and Uighuristan,
> which would become independent. Then Russia would no longer
> have any need of nuclear weapons to defend itself from China.
>

> And so with an agreement to impose a Peace Constitution on
> Russia like that of Japan, the current issue in Ukraine would
> no longer have happened.
>
> Instead, we have a world order that, as dramatized in Ukraine,
> still holds the possibility of war that the world's sensible
> democratic nations can't simply say "Stop right now, or else"
> to and get immediate results.
>
>

Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
than Nike-Zeus. "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
fallout, in the long run.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus

We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq. Do
you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?

--
Kevin R

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On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>> east by the USA.
>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>
>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>> something is wrong with them.
>>
>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>
>> It stems from their concept of "dhimmi". In Egypt, for example,
>> Coptic Christians don't have equal rights. If the United States
>> were to empower the Coptic Christians to enjoy full equality
>> by making them citizens of a sovereign state, strong enough
>> to resist any potential attack by Egypt, I'm sure that this, too,
>> would be considered objectionable.
>>
>> Or look at the blasphemy law in Pakistan.
>>
>> Basically: a lot of the Muslims living in majority-Muslim countries
>> see nothing wrong with a situation where if a Muslim commits
>> a crime there against a non-Muslim, he can get away with it,
>> and if the non-Muslims resist, it's a crime against nature!
>>
>> So the fact that the Jews of Israel successfully resisted, by
>> armed force, an attempt to put them under Muslim misrule of that
>> sort... instead of being accepted as getting what they deserved,
>> and resolving to do better and wipe out discrimination against
>> non-Muslims in their countries in future... resulted in them
>> doubling down on their wrong thinking.
>>
>> This led to further losses of territory to Israel after subsequent
>> attempts to commit aggression against it.
>>
>> If only the Soviet Union could have fallen back in 1973, just
>> after the Yom Kippur War had started, instead of much later.
>>
>> There would have been an end to the oil embargo, and all the
>> countries that participated in the attack on Israel, or the breaking
>> of contracts for export of oil... would have ended up under U.S. or
>> Israeli occupation. Peace in the Middle East would then have
>> resulted.
>>
>
> This totally ignores an underlying cause of the oil shiekdoms wanting
> to break those contracts: the inflation of the 1960s and 1970s, which
> culminated with Nixon severing the link between the US dollar and gold
> for foreign holders of the currency.
>
>> After the Holocaust, only a truly sick evil person wants to kill
>> Jews. We just have to get the entire Muslim world agreeing
>> with this sentiment the same way people in the Northeastern
>> United States do.
>>
>> And, of course, when the Soviet Union did fall, China didn't have
>> nuclear submarines yet. So the U.S. could have destroyed its
>> nuclear capability, and carried out regime change - giving the
>> mainland back to Taiwan, except for Tibet and Uighuristan,
>> which would become independent. Then Russia would no longer
>> have any need of nuclear weapons to defend itself from China.
>>
>
>> And so with an agreement to impose a Peace Constitution on
>> Russia like that of Japan, the current issue in Ukraine would
>> no longer have happened.
>>
>> Instead, we have a world order that, as dramatized in Ukraine,
>> still holds the possibility of war that the world's sensible
>> democratic nations can't simply say "Stop right now, or else"
>> to and get immediate results.
>>
>>
>
> Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
> China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
> of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
> capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
> an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
> than Nike-Zeus. "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
> to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
> fallout, in the long run.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus
>
> We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq. Do
> you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?

Russia is dead, China is dying. Both are undergoing population implosions.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/04/russias-population-nightmare-is-going-to-get-even-worse
and
https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-population-decline-not-yet-crisis-beijings-response-could-make-it-one

Lynn

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 by: William Hyde - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:39 UTC

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:59:15 PM UTC-5, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/9/2023 12:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 3/8/2023 11:32 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 17:12:31 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:14:20=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, WolfFan wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 7, 2023, Quadibloc wrote=20
> >>>>>> (in article<707e1ea9-4b71-453d...@googlegroups.com>):
> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:15:31=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Scott
> >>>>>>> Lurndal wro=
> >>>>> te:=20
> >>>>>>> =20
> >>>>>>>> All religions have (or have had) those to whom terrorist=20
> >>>>>>>> techniques are not anathema when in support of their=20
> >>>>>>>> religion (Irgun comes to mind, for example); no need to single
> >>>>>>>> out=20
> >>>>>>>> one or the other.=20
> >>>>>>> =20
> >>>>>>> This is true, but in the context of 9/11, as opposed to domestic=20
> >>>>>>> terrorism, it could be considered misleading. Or rather, in the=20
> >>>>>>> context of the Munich Olympics, the Achille Lauro, 9/11, and=20
> >>>>>>> numerous other incidents of that nature.=20
> >>>>>>> =20
> >>>>>>> It certainly appears that terror attacks from Muslim extremists=20
> >>>>>>> have been a much bigger problem for Western industrialized=20
> >>>>>>> countries than terror attacks related to any other religious
> >>>>>>> faith=20
> >>>>>>> for quite some time now.=20
> >>>>>>> =20
> >>>>>>> John Savard
> >>>>>> Only if you don=E2=80=99t count terror attacks mounted by, say,
> >>>>>> the IRA&=
> >>>>> =20
> >>>>>> associated murderers. The IRA has cooled down, lately, but can
> >>>>>> easily boi=
> >>>>> l=20
> >>>>>> over again.=20
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wikipedia finds 20 Muslim terrorist attacks in the EU during
> >>>>> 2014-2020, kil=
> >>>>> ling
> >>>>> 386 people.=20
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Not trivial. The US has actually managed much better.
> >>>>
> >>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
> >>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
> >>>> east by the USA.
> >>> Ah, blaming the victim.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, no sale!
> >>>
> >>> And, besides, what was /actually/ cited by Bin Laden was the Crusades..
> >>> The USA had nothing to do with the Crusades.
> >>
> >> OBL regarded non-Muslim armies in KSA as new Crusaders.
> >>
> >> Pt
> >
> > My thought also.
> >
> And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
> Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.

In fact he wanted Spain back. As the old saying goes:

"What's yours is mine and what's mine is me own".

William Hyde

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On 3/10/2023 1:39 PM, William Hyde wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:59:15 PM UTC-5, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 3/9/2023 12:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2023 11:32 PM, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2023 17:12:31 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> "pete...@gmail.com" <pete...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:14:20=E2=80=AFAM UTC-5, WolfFan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2023, Quadibloc wrote=20
>>>>>>>> (in article<707e1ea9-4b71-453d...@googlegroups.com>):
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:15:31=E2=80=AFPM UTC-7, Scott
>>>>>>>>> Lurndal wro=
>>>>>>> te:=20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>> All religions have (or have had) those to whom terrorist=20
>>>>>>>>>> techniques are not anathema when in support of their=20
>>>>>>>>>> religion (Irgun comes to mind, for example); no need to single
>>>>>>>>>> out=20
>>>>>>>>>> one or the other.=20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> This is true, but in the context of 9/11, as opposed to domestic=20
>>>>>>>>> terrorism, it could be considered misleading. Or rather, in the=20
>>>>>>>>> context of the Munich Olympics, the Achille Lauro, 9/11, and=20
>>>>>>>>> numerous other incidents of that nature.=20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> It certainly appears that terror attacks from Muslim extremists=20
>>>>>>>>> have been a much bigger problem for Western industrialized=20
>>>>>>>>> countries than terror attacks related to any other religious
>>>>>>>>> faith=20
>>>>>>>>> for quite some time now.=20
>>>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>>> Only if you don=E2=80=99t count terror attacks mounted by, say,
>>>>>>>> the IRA&=
>>>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>> associated murderers. The IRA has cooled down, lately, but can
>>>>>>>> easily boi=
>>>>>>> l=20
>>>>>>>> over again.=20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikipedia finds 20 Muslim terrorist attacks in the EU during
>>>>>>> 2014-2020, kil=
>>>>>>> ling
>>>>>>> 386 people.=20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not trivial. The US has actually managed much better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>>>> east by the USA.
>>>>> Ah, blaming the victim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, no sale!
>>>>>
>>>>> And, besides, what was /actually/ cited by Bin Laden was the Crusades.
>>>>> The USA had nothing to do with the Crusades.
>>>>
>>>> OBL regarded non-Muslim armies in KSA as new Crusaders.
>>>>
>>>> Pt
>>>
>>> My thought also.
>>>
>> And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
>> Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.
>
> In fact he wanted Spain back. As the old saying goes:
>
> "What's yours is mine and what's mine is me own".
>
Humph. I hadn't heard that but somehow I am not surprised by it.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:55 UTC

On 3/10/2023 1:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>> east by the USA.
>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>
>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>> something is wrong with them.
>>>
>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>>
>>> It stems from their concept of "dhimmi". In Egypt, for example,
>>> Coptic Christians don't have equal rights. If the United States
>>> were to empower the Coptic Christians to enjoy full equality
>>> by making them citizens of a sovereign state, strong enough
>>> to resist any potential attack by Egypt, I'm sure that this, too,
>>> would be considered objectionable.
>>>
>>> Or look at the blasphemy law in Pakistan.
>>>
>>> Basically: a lot of the Muslims living in majority-Muslim countries
>>> see nothing wrong with a situation where if a Muslim commits
>>> a crime there against a non-Muslim, he can get away with it,
>>> and if the non-Muslims resist, it's a crime against nature!
>>>
>>> So the fact that the Jews of Israel successfully resisted, by
>>> armed force, an attempt to put them under Muslim misrule of that
>>> sort... instead of being accepted as getting what they deserved,
>>> and resolving to do better and wipe out discrimination against
>>> non-Muslims in their countries in future... resulted in them
>>> doubling down on their wrong thinking.
>>>
>>> This led to further losses of territory to Israel after subsequent
>>> attempts to commit aggression against it.
>>>
>>> If only the Soviet Union could have fallen back in 1973, just
>>> after the Yom Kippur War had started, instead of much later.
>>>
>>> There would have been an end to the oil embargo, and all the
>>> countries that participated in the attack on Israel, or the breaking
>>> of contracts for export of oil... would have ended up under U.S. or
>>> Israeli occupation. Peace in the Middle East would then have
>>> resulted.
>>>
>>
>> This totally ignores an underlying cause of the oil shiekdoms wanting
>> to break those contracts: the inflation of the 1960s and 1970s, which
>> culminated with Nixon severing the link between the US dollar and gold
>> for foreign holders of the currency.
>>
>>> After the Holocaust, only a truly sick evil person wants to kill
>>> Jews. We just have to get the entire Muslim world agreeing
>>> with this sentiment the same way people in the Northeastern
>>> United States do.
>>>
>>> And, of course, when the Soviet Union did fall, China didn't have
>>> nuclear submarines yet. So the U.S. could have destroyed its
>>> nuclear capability, and carried out regime change - giving the
>>> mainland back to Taiwan, except for Tibet and Uighuristan,
>>> which would become independent. Then Russia would no longer
>>> have any need of nuclear weapons to defend itself from China.
>>>
>>
>>> And so with an agreement to impose a Peace Constitution on
>>> Russia like that of Japan, the current issue in Ukraine would
>>> no longer have happened.
>>>
>>> Instead, we have a world order that, as dramatized in Ukraine,
>>> still holds the possibility of war that the world's sensible
>>> democratic nations can't simply say "Stop right now, or else"
>>> to and get immediate results.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
>> China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
>> of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
>> capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
>> an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
>> than Nike-Zeus.  "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
>> to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
>> fallout, in the long run.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus
>>
>> We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq.  Do
>> you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?
>
> Russia is dead, China is dying.  Both are undergoing population implosions.
>
> https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/04/russias-population-nightmare-is-going-to-get-even-worse
> and
>
> https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-population-decline-not-yet-crisis-beijings-response-could-make-it-one
>
And one notes the damage to others from the "dying" countries thrashing
around.

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On 3/10/2023 3:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/10/2023 1:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>>> east by the USA.
>>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>>
>>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>>> something is wrong with them.
>>>>
>>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>>>
>>>> It stems from their concept of "dhimmi". In Egypt, for example,
>>>> Coptic Christians don't have equal rights. If the United States
>>>> were to empower the Coptic Christians to enjoy full equality
>>>> by making them citizens of a sovereign state, strong enough
>>>> to resist any potential attack by Egypt, I'm sure that this, too,
>>>> would be considered objectionable.
>>>>
>>>> Or look at the blasphemy law in Pakistan.
>>>>
>>>> Basically: a lot of the Muslims living in majority-Muslim countries
>>>> see nothing wrong with a situation where if a Muslim commits
>>>> a crime there against a non-Muslim, he can get away with it,
>>>> and if the non-Muslims resist, it's a crime against nature!
>>>>
>>>> So the fact that the Jews of Israel successfully resisted, by
>>>> armed force, an attempt to put them under Muslim misrule of that
>>>> sort... instead of being accepted as getting what they deserved,
>>>> and resolving to do better and wipe out discrimination against
>>>> non-Muslims in their countries in future... resulted in them
>>>> doubling down on their wrong thinking.
>>>>
>>>> This led to further losses of territory to Israel after subsequent
>>>> attempts to commit aggression against it.
>>>>
>>>> If only the Soviet Union could have fallen back in 1973, just
>>>> after the Yom Kippur War had started, instead of much later.
>>>>
>>>> There would have been an end to the oil embargo, and all the
>>>> countries that participated in the attack on Israel, or the breaking
>>>> of contracts for export of oil... would have ended up under U.S. or
>>>> Israeli occupation. Peace in the Middle East would then have
>>>> resulted.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This totally ignores an underlying cause of the oil shiekdoms wanting
>>> to break those contracts: the inflation of the 1960s and 1970s, which
>>> culminated with Nixon severing the link between the US dollar and gold
>>> for foreign holders of the currency.
>>>
>>>> After the Holocaust, only a truly sick evil person wants to kill
>>>> Jews. We just have to get the entire Muslim world agreeing
>>>> with this sentiment the same way people in the Northeastern
>>>> United States do.
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, when the Soviet Union did fall, China didn't have
>>>> nuclear submarines yet. So the U.S. could have destroyed its
>>>> nuclear capability, and carried out regime change - giving the
>>>> mainland back to Taiwan, except for Tibet and Uighuristan,
>>>> which would become independent. Then Russia would no longer
>>>> have any need of nuclear weapons to defend itself from China.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> And so with an agreement to impose a Peace Constitution on
>>>> Russia like that of Japan, the current issue in Ukraine would
>>>> no longer have happened.
>>>>
>>>> Instead, we have a world order that, as dramatized in Ukraine,
>>>> still holds the possibility of war that the world's sensible
>>>> democratic nations can't simply say "Stop right now, or else"
>>>> to and get immediate results.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
>>> China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
>>> of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
>>> capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
>>> an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
>>> than Nike-Zeus.  "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
>>> to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
>>> fallout, in the long run.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus
>>>
>>> We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq.  Do
>>> you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?
>>
>> Russia is dead, China is dying.  Both are undergoing population
>> implosions.
>>
>> https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/04/russias-population-nightmare-is-going-to-get-even-worse
>> and
>>
>> https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-population-decline-not-yet-crisis-beijings-response-could-make-it-one
>>
> And one notes the damage to others from the "dying" countries thrashing
> around.

Yup. I am hoping that China does not trash Taiwan on its way down.

Lynn

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 22:36 UTC

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:

>> Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
>> China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
>> of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
>> capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
>> an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
>> than Nike-Zeus. "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
>> to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
>> fallout, in the long run.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus
>>
>> We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq. Do
>> you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?
>
>Russia is dead, China is dying.

Rhetoric, not fact. Yes, there is a demographic decrease in
most first and second world countries. Given current economic
structures built on the idea of infinite growth, that is indeed
a problem.

It, however, in no way imply that either Russia or China are dying.

Desperation to preserve their current system(s) will inevetiably
lead to lashing out, as we already seen in Ukraine.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:14 UTC

On 3/10/2023 4:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>>> Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
>>> China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
>>> of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
>>> capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
>>> an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
>>> than Nike-Zeus. "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
>>> to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
>>> fallout, in the long run.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus
>>>
>>> We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq. Do
>>> you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?
>>
>> Russia is dead, China is dying.
>
> Rhetoric, not fact. Yes, there is a demographic decrease in
> most first and second world countries. Given current economic
> structures built on the idea of infinite growth, that is indeed
> a problem.
>
> It, however, in no way imply that either Russia or China are dying.
>
> Desperation to preserve their current system(s) will inevetiably
> lead to lashing out, as we already seen in Ukraine.

If you ain't growing, you are dying. There is no such thing as
maintaining the current status for countries.

And as you have pointed out, Russia has lashed out at Ukraine causing
million(s) of young men to flee Russia.

Lynn

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:21:42 PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:

[snip]

> > We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq. Do
> > you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?
> Russia is dead, China is dying. Both are undergoing population implosions..
>
> https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/04/russias-population-nightmare-is-going-to-get-even-worse
> and
>
> https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-population-decline-not-yet-crisis-beijings-response-could-make-it-one
>
>

Yeah, now. Was that the case before, say, 1975? Hardly.

Russia is certainly underperforming in Ukraine, compared to the reputation
of the old Soviet Union.

China as much better tech than in the period we were discussing.
It's current battlefield prowess is a question mark, though.
India is producing more military-age folks, annually.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/manpower-reaching-military-age-annually.php

China still has the most in uniform, though.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/military-size-by-country

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 by: Kevrob - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 00:21 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:53:49 PM UTC-5, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/10/2023 1:39 PM, William Hyde wrote:

[snip]

> > "What's yours is mine and what's mine is me own".
> >
> Humph. I hadn't heard that but somehow I am not surprised by it.

Remember this one?

[quote]

The Russians also tended to follow the maxim that
''What’s mine is mine; what’s yours is negotiable,” ....

[/quote] - Former Ambassador and Lt. Gen. (ret.) Edward L. Rowny

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2017/12/22/negotiating_with_the_soviets_112815.html

I could say the same about US negotiations with the native tribes
of North America, BITD.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 02:15 UTC

On 3/10/2023 2:35 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/10/2023 3:55 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 3/10/2023 1:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2023 2:43 PM, Kevrob wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 5:38:22 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35 AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>>>> east by the USA.
>>>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>>>
>>>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>>>> something is wrong with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>>>>
>>>>> It stems from their concept of "dhimmi". In Egypt, for example,
>>>>> Coptic Christians don't have equal rights. If the United States
>>>>> were to empower the Coptic Christians to enjoy full equality
>>>>> by making them citizens of a sovereign state, strong enough
>>>>> to resist any potential attack by Egypt, I'm sure that this, too,
>>>>> would be considered objectionable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or look at the blasphemy law in Pakistan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically: a lot of the Muslims living in majority-Muslim countries
>>>>> see nothing wrong with a situation where if a Muslim commits
>>>>> a crime there against a non-Muslim, he can get away with it,
>>>>> and if the non-Muslims resist, it's a crime against nature!
>>>>>
>>>>> So the fact that the Jews of Israel successfully resisted, by
>>>>> armed force, an attempt to put them under Muslim misrule of that
>>>>> sort... instead of being accepted as getting what they deserved,
>>>>> and resolving to do better and wipe out discrimination against
>>>>> non-Muslims in their countries in future... resulted in them
>>>>> doubling down on their wrong thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> This led to further losses of territory to Israel after subsequent
>>>>> attempts to commit aggression against it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If only the Soviet Union could have fallen back in 1973, just
>>>>> after the Yom Kippur War had started, instead of much later.
>>>>>
>>>>> There would have been an end to the oil embargo, and all the
>>>>> countries that participated in the attack on Israel, or the breaking
>>>>> of contracts for export of oil... would have ended up under U.S. or
>>>>> Israeli occupation. Peace in the Middle East would then have
>>>>> resulted.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This totally ignores an underlying cause of the oil shiekdoms wanting
>>>> to break those contracts: the inflation of the 1960s and 1970s, which
>>>> culminated with Nixon severing the link between the US dollar and gold
>>>> for foreign holders of the currency.
>>>>
>>>>> After the Holocaust, only a truly sick evil person wants to kill
>>>>> Jews. We just have to get the entire Muslim world agreeing
>>>>> with this sentiment the same way people in the Northeastern
>>>>> United States do.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, when the Soviet Union did fall, China didn't have
>>>>> nuclear submarines yet. So the U.S. could have destroyed its
>>>>> nuclear capability, and carried out regime change - giving the
>>>>> mainland back to Taiwan, except for Tibet and Uighuristan,
>>>>> which would become independent. Then Russia would no longer
>>>>> have any need of nuclear weapons to defend itself from China.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And so with an agreement to impose a Peace Constitution on
>>>>> Russia like that of Japan, the current issue in Ukraine would
>>>>> no longer have happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead, we have a world order that, as dramatized in Ukraine,
>>>>> still holds the possibility of war that the world's sensible
>>>>> democratic nations can't simply say "Stop right now, or else"
>>>>> to and get immediate results.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, Quaddie reports from cloud cuckoo land.
>>>> China had ballistic missile capabilities by the second half
>>>> of the 1960s, and any attempt to eradicate her nuclear
>>>> capability would have resulted in counter-value strikes, in
>>>> an era without anti-ballistic missiles more sophisticated
>>>> than Nike-Zeus.  "Blow a nuke up in the upper atmosphere
>>>> to stop incoming nukes" is not going to protect folks from
>>>> fallout, in the long run.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Zeus
>>>>
>>>> We couldn't successfully occupy Afghanistan nor Iraq.  Do
>>>> you think we could have lorded it over all Russia and China?
>>>
>>> Russia is dead, China is dying.  Both are undergoing population
>>> implosions.
>>>
>>> https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/03/04/russias-population-nightmare-is-going-to-get-even-worse
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://www.cfr.org/blog/chinas-population-decline-not-yet-crisis-beijings-response-could-make-it-one
>>>
>> And one notes the damage to others from the "dying" countries
>> thrashing around.
>
> Yup.  I am hoping that China does not trash Taiwan on its way down.
>
Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.

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In article <tug8t8$24hv9$2@dont-email.me>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>On 3/10/2023 1:39 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>> "What's yours is mine and what's mine is me own".
>>
>Humph. I hadn't heard that but somehow I am not surprised by it.

(Hal Heydt)
Both Russia (as run by Putin) and China have the same attitude.
Any area that has been at any time in history, been part of the
country, they believe should be part of the country *now* and
into the future.

Hence the current Russian invasion of Ukraine, with eyes on the
Baltics, Poland, much of central Asia, and some other countries.
China wants Taiwan back, plus (at least) the former province of
Annam. They tried for the later, but the Vietnamese beat them
back.

Smaller countries have the same idea. Note Serbia being
unwilling to concede that Kosovo is an indepenedent country.

The only country I know of, off hand, that hasn't behaved that
way in recent times in Denmark. The Danes did NOT take up to
offer of the WW2 Allies to give them back all of
Schleswig-Holstein and actually advanced Iceland independence
from the planned 1947 to saying it appeared to be a done deal
when WW2 ended.

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On 2023-03-09, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:11:15 AM UTC-7, Chris Buckley wrote:
>> My claim was that this time it was the Democrats
>> spreading it, and the liberal press was supporting them.
>
> That is unsupported by any credible source of information.

How convenient for you that you snipped what the claims are and
all the supporting evidence. I admit I'm surprised that you
consider the FBI and Justice Department not to be "credible".

And how convenient for you that you snipped all of the direct
questions I had about your position. You even had to snip
mid-paragraph to give my quote above out of context (what is the "it"
being referred to, for instance), since it followed questions from me
that you evidently can't answer.

Once again, please identify the disinformation being spread that you are so
concerned about.

The rest of your article is a completely yet another completely
off-subject screed from you saying how you do not believe in
democracy. But whether you like it or not, it is elected officials
who are in charge of weighing the benefits and costs of changing
policies, not health officials.

Chris

> Of _course_ it helps if one defines the liberal press as
> trustworthy, and the Republicans as worthless liars whose
> words hold no weight whatever.
>
> Explaining _why_ I came to such a conclusiion, however,
> in a convincing manner, might well be difficult. If it was
> easy, both Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden would have won
> their respective elections in landslides, and today the
> Democrats would control 80% of both Houses of Congress.
>
> I was just reading an article in the Washington Post, that
> bastion of anti-Republican and pro-Democrat sentiment.
> I don't think the statements of fact in that article were
> falsified.
>
> What it said was that, in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic,
> several U.S. states - and they're all, no surprise, states controlled
> by Republicans - have passed laws stripping their public health
> officials of the power to order mask mandates, to quarantine
> people, to require proof of vaccination to engage in certain
> activities with the potential to spread disease, and so on.
>
> Which means that, if there is another pandemic, it won't be
> possible to react in time to prevent it from spreading
> catastrophically.
>
> So I have reached the conclusion that Republicans are a danger
> to my life, and my objectivity has been skeweed accordingly.
>
> And then there's January 6th.
>
> A violent mob tries to prevent the will of the American
> people in selecting their next President from being
> carried out.
>
> But that's not what they believe they're doing. They believe they're
> instead _defending_ the will of the American people, because
> the votes had been counted fraudulently.
>
> Americans who had enough courage to be heroes, but,
> unfortunately, not enough brains to avoid being made dupes
> of by the real villains.
>
> But why did it look convincingly like the election was stolen?
>
> Because the results that time were unusual. Thanks to the
> pandemic, a lot of the votes were sent in by mail-in ballots.
>
> And that let black people vote, without having to stand in line
> for hours and hours - because in some states, the Republicans
> deliberately ensure there aren't enough polling stations in
> neighborhoods where black people live.
>
> The Republican Party today has fallen far from the days of
> Abraham Lincoln. Today, it is the party of lies and racism.
>
> As far as Hunter Biden, the information that I have is that he
> was acting properly on the behalf of the Obama Administration,
> and the claims otherwise by Republicans haven't been substantiated
> with a shred of evidence - and those claims also keep
> contradicting each other as well. And the liberal press has
> maintained that story consistently, without contradicting
> themselves.
>
> Which, of course, doesn't prove it's the truth.
>
> But given that it's the *Republican* Party that contains those who would
> obstruct and hinder aid to the heroic defenders of Ukraine,
> why anything they might say is even worth a few seconds of my
> time to listen to is a mystery.
>
> John Savard

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 by: Hamish Laws - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 13:33 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:30:15 AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 05:08:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
> <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:38:22?AM UTC+11, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35?AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >>
> >> > One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
> >> > so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
> >> > east by the USA.
> >> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
> >> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
> >>
> >> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
> >> something is wrong with them.
> >
> >You really should look at what's happening in Israel and Palestine before you go off on a bullshit rank
> >
> >>
> >> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
> >
> >Because Israel is killing Palestinians, destroying their housing, blocking medicines, supplies etc...
> Israel's behavior has indeed become unacceptable and ultimately
> suicidal. And stokes well-motivated hatred.
>
> But Israel was hated before it was born. It was hated because it was
> for Jews, and a lot of Muslims can't have that. Nice, quiet,
> self-effacing, extra tax-paying Jews they can stomach, but not Jews
> strutting about as if they were actually human beings.

could also have something to do with European powers + the US redrawing the map again

Also there were jewish terrorist organisations operating in the area before Israel was established and Mossad has always been active in assassinations

>
> An article in /Smithsonian/ about 3 decades ago was by a truck driver
> who worked in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. One of the books he found
> was titled "Saddam -- the New Hitler".

I can't find any reference to a book called that.

> Adolf was a hero to these
> people; their only compaint was that he didn't finish the job.

"These people" seems to be doing a lot of work there.
and your evidence is completely lacking

>
> But, as I say, Israel has long gone down a path of repression which
> will eventually result in its own destruction.

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:15:48 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

> Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
> during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
> is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.

For a value of "trash" that means "reinvigorate", some might say, although
there would certainly be painful short-term adjustments.

If Americans bought radios and TV sets and smartphones that were made
in the USA, there would be plenty of jobs once again. We would return to
the heady days of the 1960s, and then America _would_ be great again.

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:14:26 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> And as you have pointed out, Russia has lashed out at Ukraine causing
> million(s) of young men to flee Russia.

And so Russia is _not_ dead. The dead are quite incapable of lashing out
at anything. Instead, it is very much a living menace, capable of causing
serious harm.

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:48:50 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:15:48?PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>
>> Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
>> during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
>> is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.
>
>For a value of "trash" that means "reinvigorate", some might say, although
>there would certainly be painful short-term adjustments.
>
>If Americans bought radios and TV sets and smartphones that were made
>in the USA, there would be plenty of jobs once again. We would return to
>the heady days of the 1960s, and then America _would_ be great again.

But what will we do for workers?

Russia and China aren't the /only/ countries experiencing a decline.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 05:10:07 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <tug8t8$24hv9$2@dont-email.me>,
>Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>On 3/10/2023 1:39 PM, William Hyde wrote:
>>> "What's yours is mine and what's mine is me own".
>>>
>>Humph. I hadn't heard that but somehow I am not surprised by it.
>
>(Hal Heydt)
>Both Russia (as run by Putin) and China have the same attitude.
>Any area that has been at any time in history, been part of the
>country, they believe should be part of the country *now* and
>into the future.
>
>Hence the current Russian invasion of Ukraine, with eyes on the
>Baltics, Poland, much of central Asia, and some other countries.
>China wants Taiwan back, plus (at least) the former province of
>Annam. They tried for the later, but the Vietnamese beat them
>back.
>
>Smaller countries have the same idea. Note Serbia being
>unwilling to concede that Kosovo is an indepenedent country.

But Kosovo contains the /only/ historically important Serb battle.

OK, they lost, but still ...

>The only country I know of, off hand, that hasn't behaved that
>way in recent times in Denmark. The Danes did NOT take up to
>offer of the WW2 Allies to give them back all of
>Schleswig-Holstein and actually advanced Iceland independence
>from the planned 1947 to saying it appeared to be a done deal
>when WW2 ended.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
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 by: Robert Carnegie - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 19:44 UTC

On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 13:33:28 UTC, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:30:15 AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 05:08:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
> > <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:38:22?AM UTC+11, Quadibloc wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35?AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
> > >> > so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
> > >> > east by the USA.
> > >> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
> > >> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
> > >>
> > >> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
> > >> something is wrong with them.
> > >
> > >You really should look at what's happening in Israel and Palestine before you go off on a bullshit rank
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
> > >
> > >Because Israel is killing Palestinians, destroying their housing, blocking medicines, supplies etc...
> > Israel's behavior has indeed become unacceptable and ultimately
> > suicidal. And stokes well-motivated hatred.
> >
> > But Israel was hated before it was born. It was hated because it was
> > for Jews, and a lot of Muslims can't have that. Nice, quiet,
> > self-effacing, extra tax-paying Jews they can stomach, but not Jews
> > strutting about as if they were actually human beings.
> could also have something to do with European powers + the US redrawing the map again
>
> Also there were jewish terrorist organisations operating in the area before Israel was established and Mossad has always been active in assassinations
> >
> > An article in /Smithsonian/ about 3 decades ago was by a truck driver
> > who worked in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. One of the books he found
> > was titled "Saddam -- the New Hitler".
>
> I can't find any reference to a book called that.

It would be in Iraqish, of course.

> > Adolf was a hero to these
> > people; their only compaint was that he didn't finish the job.

Ah.

> "These people" seems to be doing a lot of work there.
> and your evidence is completely lacking
> >
> > But, as I say, Israel has long gone down a path of repression which
> > will eventually result in its own destruction.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 20:41 UTC

On 3/11/2023 11:44 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 13:33:28 UTC, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:30:15 AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 05:08:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
>>> <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:38:22?AM UTC+11, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35?AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>>>> east by the USA.
>>>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>>>
>>>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>>>> something is wrong with them.
>>>>
>>>> You really should look at what's happening in Israel and Palestine before you go off on a bullshit rank
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>>>
>>>> Because Israel is killing Palestinians, destroying their housing, blocking medicines, supplies etc...
>>> Israel's behavior has indeed become unacceptable and ultimately
>>> suicidal. And stokes well-motivated hatred.
>>>
>>> But Israel was hated before it was born. It was hated because it was
>>> for Jews, and a lot of Muslims can't have that. Nice, quiet,
>>> self-effacing, extra tax-paying Jews they can stomach, but not Jews
>>> strutting about as if they were actually human beings.
>> could also have something to do with European powers + the US redrawing the map again
>>
>> Also there were jewish terrorist organisations operating in the area before Israel was established and Mossad has always been active in assassinations
>>>
>>> An article in /Smithsonian/ about 3 decades ago was by a truck driver
>>> who worked in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. One of the books he found
>>> was titled "Saddam -- the New Hitler".
>>
>> I can't find any reference to a book called that.
>
> It would be in Iraqish, of course.
>
Mesopotamian Arabic.

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