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 by: Lynn McGuire - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:03 UTC

On 3/11/2023 9:48 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:15:48 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>
>> Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
>> during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
>> is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.
>
> For a value of "trash" that means "reinvigorate", some might say, although
> there would certainly be painful short-term adjustments.
>
> If Americans bought radios and TV sets and smartphones that were made
> in the USA, there would be plenty of jobs once again. We would return to
> the heady days of the 1960s, and then America _would_ be great again.
>
> John Savard

60% of worldwide computer chips are made in Taiwan. 80% of the chip
blanks are made in Taiwan. The damage to the world's economy will be
immense. The average vehicle has over 100 computer chips in it
(daughter-boards) according to Ford. How long will it take to replace
the chip factories currently in Taiwan ?

Lynn

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:38 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:55:45 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
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>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>On 3/9/2023 2:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 3/9/2023 12:31 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
>>> And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
>>> Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.
>>
>>Don't forget the muslim attempted invasion of Austria, under 400 years
>>ago in 1683.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
>
>Which was far more about territory than religion.

Of course it was just as the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland were about
most anything other than a holy dispute over the catechism.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:42 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:53:46 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>>> And of course OBL's objection to the Crusades completely ignores the
>>> Muslim invasions of the Balkans and Iberia a few hundred years prior.
>>
>> In fact he wanted Spain back. As the old saying goes:
>>
>> "What's yours is mine and what's mine is me own".
>>
>Humph. I hadn't heard that but somehow I am not surprised by it.

And which major Western or Islamic power hasn't previously had
significantly more land than it currently does?

(Until 1991 I would have said Russia but now even them - China is more
or less at it's largest ever borders since the Mongols weren't Chinese
and the central Chinese government never had a firm grip on Taiwan.
Even America is reduced - until 1946 Manila was the 6th biggest city
in the United States' territory and John McCain was born in the Panama
Canal Zone)

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:50 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:35:52 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>Yup. I am hoping that China does not trash Taiwan on its way down.

That's the whole point of both China / Taiwan and Russia / Ukraine.

Neither has the power to conquer but both have the power to trash.

I recently heard a video suggesting the cost to rebuild Ukraine (even
if the fighting ended immediately) would be about twice the Ukrainian
GNP.

I think Putin would be quite happy with a peace involving a shattered
Ukraine even if he gained no territory as a result. Bottom line is
that between birth rate on the one hand and emigration on the other
both Russia and Ukraine are in deep deep trouble.

As for China what DID they think the outcome of the one child policy
would be when sex-selective abortion became possible?

And why oh why do China's neighbors fear what an excess of 20 million
males could do failing a policy of widespread polyandry?

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 by: Quadibloc - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 23:30 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 9:45:36 AM UTC-7, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:48:50 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
> <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:15:48?PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >
> >> Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
> >> during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
> >> is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.
> >
> >For a value of "trash" that means "reinvigorate", some might say, although
> >there would certainly be painful short-term adjustments.
> >
> >If Americans bought radios and TV sets and smartphones that were made
> >in the USA, there would be plenty of jobs once again. We would return to
> >the heady days of the 1960s, and then America _would_ be great again.

> But what will we do for workers?
>
> Russia and China aren't the /only/ countries experiencing a decline.

Hey, that's great too. It would mean that America would be able to give
up the idea of building a wall, and some people from Mexico could be allowed
to legally immigrate to the United States!

John Savard

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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:38:36 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:

> Of course it was just as the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland were about
> most anything other than a holy dispute over the catechism.

Ireland, of course, suffered terrible abuse under British rule. But the
recent "Troubles" weren't even about _that_, but instead about the
IRA exploiting these unpleasant memories to try and set up a new
state in Northern Ireland with themselves as the rulers - with Communist
help.

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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:50:50 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:35:52 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Yup. I am hoping that China does not trash Taiwan on its way down.
> That's the whole point of both China / Taiwan and Russia / Ukraine.
>
> Neither has the power to conquer but both have the power to trash.
>
> I recently heard a video suggesting the cost to rebuild Ukraine (even
> if the fighting ended immediately) would be about twice the Ukrainian
> GNP.
>
> I think Putin would be quite happy with a peace involving a shattered
> Ukraine even if he gained no territory as a result. Bottom line is
> that between birth rate on the one hand and emigration on the other
> both Russia and Ukraine are in deep deep trouble.

And this is why it's very unfortunate that Russia has nuclear weapons.

The right kind of peace would involve Russia being in ruins, and permanently
banned from having any kind of industry that could be used for war purposes
(i.e. manufacturing airplanes or automobiles)... with about half the foreign
exchange it obtains from the export of raw materials taken to pay for rebuilding
of Ukraine.

Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
pay.

Yes, only Putin himself really made the decision, but he doesn't have enough
money himself to pay to rebuild Ukraine - so this is as close to justice as we can
get, and it would have the additional effect of being a nice deterrent. The people
of other countries, such as China, would see what happens to countries that
commit aggression, and so the next time Xi Jinping talks about Taiwan, it could
lead to the desired regime change.

John Savard

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 by: Quadibloc - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 23:43 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:03:58 PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/11/2023 9:48 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:15:48 PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> >
> >> Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
> >> during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
> >> is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.
> >
> > For a value of "trash" that means "reinvigorate", some might say, although
> > there would certainly be painful short-term adjustments.
> >
> > If Americans bought radios and TV sets and smartphones that were made
> > in the USA, there would be plenty of jobs once again. We would return to
> > the heady days of the 1960s, and then America _would_ be great again.
> >
> 60% of worldwide computer chips are made in Taiwan. 80% of the chip
> blanks are made in Taiwan. The damage to the world's economy will be
> immense. The average vehicle has over 100 computer chips in it
> (daughter-boards) according to Ford. How long will it take to replace
> the chip factories currently in Taiwan ?
>
I was replying to a comment which seemed to me to be about the loss
of mainland China's manufacturing capacity, and its effect on the world
economy, _not_ to a statement about Taiwan.

So your comment would be better addressed to _his_ posting, where he
said that "we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan" -
I quite agree that if anything happens to *Taiwan*, that would be very
bad.

I hope that the United States can find a way to ensure that nothing happens
to either Taiwan or the United States, so that an effective response to an
attempt by China to commit aggression against Taiwan can be made.

The kind that leaves China glowing in the dark - if necessary. But it would be
much preferable to bring about regime change, and re-educate the people of
China the way the Germans were after World War II, to become responsible
citizens of the world community.

John Savard

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In article <io0q0i9v49k0g0posr7rgugubp89n6uv0n@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>significantly more land than it currently does?
>
>(Until 1991 I would have said Russia but now even them - China is more
>or less at it's largest ever borders since the Mongols weren't Chinese

Tang Dynasty China might disagree.

https://tinyurl.com/3z3av4xc

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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:50:50 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:35:52 -0600, Lynn McGuire
> > <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Yup. I am hoping that China does not trash Taiwan on its way down.
> > That's the whole point of both China / Taiwan and Russia / Ukraine.
> >
> > Neither has the power to conquer but both have the power to trash.
> >
> > I recently heard a video suggesting the cost to rebuild Ukraine (even
> > if the fighting ended immediately) would be about twice the Ukrainian
> > GNP.
> >
> > I think Putin would be quite happy with a peace involving a shattered
> > Ukraine even if he gained no territory as a result. Bottom line is
> > that between birth rate on the one hand and emigration on the other
> > both Russia and Ukraine are in deep deep trouble.
> And this is why it's very unfortunate that Russia has nuclear weapons.
>
> The right kind of peace would involve Russia being in ruins, and permanently
> banned from having any kind of industry that could be used for war purposes
> (i.e. manufacturing airplanes or automobiles)... with about half the foreign
> exchange it obtains from the export of raw materials taken to pay for rebuilding
> of Ukraine.
>
> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
> pay.

That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
end of World War One.

As just as it may be, it didn't work well.

Pt

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 12:41:39 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 3/11/2023 11:44 AM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Saturday, 11 March 2023 at 13:33:28 UTC, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:30:15?AM UTC+11, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 05:08:11 -0800 (PST), Hamish Laws
>>>> <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:38:22?AM UTC+11, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:12:35?AM UTC-7, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One might also argue that 9/11 wasn't "Muslim" terrorism
>>>>>>> so much as it was a reaction to interference in the middle
>>>>>>> east by the USA.
>>>>>> The United States of America helped Kuwait defend itself
>>>>>> from aggression, and helps Israel defend itself from aggression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If people are angry about that, clearly they're perverse, and
>>>>>> something is wrong with them.
>>>>>
>>>>> You really should look at what's happening in Israel and Palestine before you go off on a bullshit rank
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is so much of the Middle East hostile to the state of Israel?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because Israel is killing Palestinians, destroying their housing, blocking medicines, supplies etc...
>>>> Israel's behavior has indeed become unacceptable and ultimately
>>>> suicidal. And stokes well-motivated hatred.
>>>>
>>>> But Israel was hated before it was born. It was hated because it was
>>>> for Jews, and a lot of Muslims can't have that. Nice, quiet,
>>>> self-effacing, extra tax-paying Jews they can stomach, but not Jews
>>>> strutting about as if they were actually human beings.
>>> could also have something to do with European powers + the US redrawing the map again
>>>
>>> Also there were jewish terrorist organisations operating in the area before Israel was established and Mossad has always been active in assassinations
>>>>
>>>> An article in /Smithsonian/ about 3 decades ago was by a truck driver
>>>> who worked in Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war. One of the books he found
>>>> was titled "Saddam -- the New Hitler".
>>>
>>> I can't find any reference to a book called that.
>>
>> It would be in Iraqish, of course.
>>
>Mesopotamian Arabic.

Actually, when I took Arabic in the Army at DLI, we were an "AE"
("Arabic, Egyptian") class and the other major choice was "AI"
(Arabic, Iraqi).

We all learned Modern Standard Arabic, the language of newspapers and
other culteral artifacts, as did all educated Arabic speakers, so the
book would have been written in MSA (if not in English). The only
difference we were taught was that we pronounced a certain letter as a
hard "g" (and in "gift") but the Iraqi students pronounced it as a "j"
(as in "judge"). Thus, the word transcribed as "djinn" or "jinn" would
be pronounced as "ginn" by AE students.

The various dialects, of course, all did whatever they did. When we
saw /The Battle of Algiers/, our instructors (this was a multi-class
outing) stood in back and made jokes about how funny the dialect used
by the actors was. We, of course, just read the subtitles.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 15:43:57 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 3:03:58?PM UTC-7, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/11/2023 9:48 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> > On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 7:15:48?PM UTC-7, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> >
>> >> Realistically, we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan
>> >> during its collapse. Considering how much of the world's manufacturing
>> >> is done in China I expect it will trash the world economy.
>> >
>> > For a value of "trash" that means "reinvigorate", some might say, although
>> > there would certainly be painful short-term adjustments.
>> >
>> > If Americans bought radios and TV sets and smartphones that were made
>> > in the USA, there would be plenty of jobs once again. We would return to
>> > the heady days of the 1960s, and then America _would_ be great again.
>> >
>> 60% of worldwide computer chips are made in Taiwan. 80% of the chip
>> blanks are made in Taiwan. The damage to the world's economy will be
>> immense. The average vehicle has over 100 computer chips in it
>> (daughter-boards) according to Ford. How long will it take to replace
>> the chip factories currently in Taiwan ?
>>
>I was replying to a comment which seemed to me to be about the loss
>of mainland China's manufacturing capacity, and its effect on the world
>economy, _not_ to a statement about Taiwan.
>
>So your comment would be better addressed to _his_ posting, where he
>said that "we would be incredibly lucky if China only trashes Taiwan" -
>I quite agree that if anything happens to *Taiwan*, that would be very
>bad.
>
>I hope that the United States can find a way to ensure that nothing happens
>to either Taiwan or the United States, so that an effective response to an
>attempt by China to commit aggression against Taiwan can be made.
>
>The kind that leaves China glowing in the dark - if necessary. But it would be
>much preferable to bring about regime change, and re-educate the people of
>China the way the Germans were after World War II, to become responsible
>citizens of the world community.

Dream on.

Even when they were at their weakest, all Westerners could manage were
a few treaty ports and trading enclaves. China was never conquered by
the West -- until Mao took over, Communism being as Western as
Capitalism.

Japan, of course, wasn't conquered by Westerners until 1945.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
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 by: Quadibloc - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:58 UTC

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:35:09 PM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <io0q0i9v49k0g0pos...@4ax.com>,
> The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
> >significantly more land than it currently does?
> >
> >(Until 1991 I would have said Russia but now even them - China is more
> >or less at it's largest ever borders since the Mongols weren't Chinese

> Tang Dynasty China might disagree.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/3z3av4xc

But at least Tibet was independent!

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On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:

> > Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
> > paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
> > United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
> > pay.

> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
> end of World War One.

> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.

But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.

Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...

all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.

John Savard

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 by: Quadibloc - Sun, 12 Mar 2023 21:06 UTC

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 2:58:35 PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:35:09 PM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
> > In article <io0q0i9v49k0g0pos...@4ax.com>,
> > The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
> > >significantly more land than it currently does?
> > >
> > >(Until 1991 I would have said Russia but now even them - China is more
> > >or less at it's largest ever borders since the Mongols weren't Chinese
>
> > Tang Dynasty China might disagree.
> >
> > https://tinyurl.com/3z3av4xc
> But at least Tibet was independent!

On the other hand, North Korea was in the Anyang Protectorate.

As there are Koreans scattered in parts of Russia and China, once these two
despotic regimes are ended, perhaps its extent forms an indication of where
the new boundaries of the Republic of Korea should lie.

There's also Karafuto - since Japan used Korean slave labor there, it should
go to Korea instead of back to Japan.

But really, why not just make the border between Russia and Korea... the Ural
Mountains. South Korea is a good and overcrowded country, so let it have the
resources of Siberia instead of Russia.

Of course, though, _part_ of Siberia might need to be added to Central Asia,
so the Turks can go back home. And the Armenians in Lebanon can also go
back home to Western Armenia, which is in Asia Minor in what is currently
Turkey. (All of Cyprus would be returned to the Greeks of Cyprus as well, of
course.)

John Savard

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On 3/11/2023 7:21 AM, Chris Buckley wrote:
> On 2023-03-09, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 5:11:15 AM UTC-7, Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> My claim was that this time it was the Democrats
>>> spreading it, and the liberal press was supporting them.
>>
>> That is unsupported by any credible source of information.
>
> How convenient for you that you snipped what the claims are and
> all the supporting evidence. I admit I'm surprised that you
> consider the FBI and Justice Department not to be "credible".
>
> And how convenient for you that you snipped all of the direct
> questions I had about your position. You even had to snip
> mid-paragraph to give my quote above out of context (what is the "it"
> being referred to, for instance), since it followed questions from me
> that you evidently can't answer.
>
> Once again, please identify the disinformation being spread that you are so
> concerned about.
>
> The rest of your article is a completely yet another completely
> off-subject screed from you saying how you do not believe in
> democracy. But whether you like it or not, it is elected officials
> who are in charge of weighing the benefits and costs of changing
> policies, not health officials.
>
> Chris

Quaddie does not believe that he would be one of the first get a
personal firing squad should we lose our Republics in North America and
convert to socialism or communism. Just about everyone with college
degree will be executed in that case.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 01:59 UTC

On 3/12/2023 4:02 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>>> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
>>> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
>>> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
>>> pay.
>
>> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
>> end of World War One.
>
>> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.
>
> But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.
>
> Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
> mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
> have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...
>
> all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.
>
> John Savard

Germany was ENCOURAGED to rearm. The USSR menace was very real in the
late 1940s through 1980s.

Japan has been encouraged to rearm also even though it is still a USA
protectorate.

That one button push will fire off thousands of nuclear missiles. Only
a madman would think that is a reasonable solution. Russia will never
give up its nuclear missiles.

Lynn

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:59:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 3/12/2023 4:02 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00?PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18?PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>
>>>> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
>>>> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
>>>> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
>>>> pay.
>>
>>> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
>>> end of World War One.
>>
>>> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.
>>
>> But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.
>>
>> Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
>> mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
>> have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...
>>
>> all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.
>>
>> John Savard
>
>Germany was ENCOURAGED to rearm. The USSR menace was very real in the
>late 1940s through 1980s.

He's talking about what happened after WWI. Germany was allowed a very
small military.

>Japan has been encouraged to rearm also even though it is still a USA
>protectorate.

Germany and Japan were allowed/encouraged to rearm as part of/after
their extensive re-education.

This is why there was no WWIII one generation (11/18 to 9/39 == one
generation) after 1945.

Well, that and the threat of a /different/ WWIII resulting.

>That one button push will fire off thousands of nuclear missiles. Only
>a madman would think that is a reasonable solution. Russia will never
>give up its nuclear missiles.

Apparently, you missed the "disarm Russia" part of his totally
unrealistic program.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 14:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 2:58:35?PM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:35:09?PM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
>> > In article <io0q0i9v49k0g0pos...@4ax.com>,
>> > The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>> > >significantly more land than it currently does?
>> > >
>> > >(Until 1991 I would have said Russia but now even them - China is more
>> > >or less at it's largest ever borders since the Mongols weren't Chinese
>>
>> > Tang Dynasty China might disagree.
>> >
>> > https://tinyurl.com/3z3av4xc
>> But at least Tibet was independent!
>
>On the other hand, North Korea was in the Anyang Protectorate.
>
>As there are Koreans scattered in parts of Russia and China, once these two
>despotic regimes are ended, perhaps its extent forms an indication of where
>the new boundaries of the Republic of Korea should lie.
>
>There's also Karafuto - since Japan used Korean slave labor there, it should
>go to Korea instead of back to Japan.
>
>But really, why not just make the border between Russia and Korea... the Ural
>Mountains. South Korea is a good and overcrowded country, so let it have the
>resources of Siberia instead of Russia.
>
>Of course, though, _part_ of Siberia might need to be added to Central Asia,
>so the Turks can go back home. And the Armenians in Lebanon can also go
>back home to Western Armenia, which is in Asia Minor in what is currently
>Turkey. (All of Cyprus would be returned to the Greeks of Cyprus as well, of
>course.)

Aristophanes wrote /The Birds/ about 2500 years ago.

It's nice to know that Cloud Cuckoo Land still has some occupants.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 16:08 UTC

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-4, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:59:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 3/12/2023 4:02 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00?PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18?PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
> >>>> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
> >>>> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
> >>>> pay.
> >>
> >>> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
> >>> end of World War One.
> >>
> >>> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.
> >>
> >> But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.
> >>
> >> Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
> >> mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
> >> have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...
> >>
> >> all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.
> >>
> >> John Savard
> >
> >Germany was ENCOURAGED to rearm. The USSR menace was very real in the
> >late 1940s through 1980s.
> He's talking about what happened after WWI. Germany was allowed a very
> small military.
> >Japan has been encouraged to rearm also even though it is still a USA
> >protectorate.
> Germany and Japan were allowed/encouraged to rearm as part of/after
> their extensive re-education.
>
> This is why there was no WWIII one generation (11/18 to 9/39 == one
> generation) after 1945.
>
> Well, that and the threat of a /different/ WWIII resulting.
> >That one button push will fire off thousands of nuclear missiles. Only
> >a madman would think that is a reasonable solution. Russia will never
> >give up its nuclear missiles.
> Apparently, you missed the "disarm Russia" part of his totally
> unrealistic program.

I wonder whose finger would be on this button, seeing as North
America would be populated only by full-blood Native Americans/
First Peoples/indigenous, with everyone else (including Quaddie)
dispersed back to Europe/Africa/Asia.

pt

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 by: Quadibloc - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 18:23 UTC

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:08:45 AM UTC-6, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wonder whose finger would be on this button, seeing as North
> America would be populated only by full-blood Native Americans/
> First Peoples/indigenous, with everyone else (including Quaddie)
> dispersed back to Europe/Africa/Asia.

And there are indigenous people in Siberia too, so using that as a way
to resettle the people of North America doesn't seem to be an option
instead of giving it to Korea...

John Savard

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On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 9:44:29 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person wrote:

> Aristophanes wrote /The Birds/ about 2500 years ago.
>
> It's nice to know that Cloud Cuckoo Land still has some occupants.

I'm well aware that to expect a defeat of Russia is unrealistic.

So we will just have to keep up the delicate balancing act of aiding
Ukraine, without giving Putin an excuse to start a nuclear war.

However, it looks as if our only hope is for him to die unexpectedly
(by him); otherwise, as his death becomes imminent, his threshold is
likely to become lower.

We should have fully defended Ukraine prior to the invasion, so that
nothing would have happened. Now, the Ukrainian people are enduring
terrible sufferings, and even if Russia eventually gives up attacking them,
their economy will be stunted for generations to come.

If the Ukrainian people must flee their homeland due to a Russian victory,
then all we can do is wait. Keep the sanctions on Russia in place. Work to
advance out technology to find a way to overcome the threat of nuclear
weapons.

If it takes 1,878 years, we should not forget, but instead return the Ukrainian
homeland to the Ukrainian people, and require Russia to pay the cost of rebuilding
all the historically significant buildings of Ukraine. Presumably the housing stock
will already be rebuilt in some usable form.

John Savard

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 by: Quadibloc - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 19:07 UTC

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 7:29:58 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> Quaddie does not believe that he would be one of the first get a
> personal firing squad should we lose our Republics in North America and
> convert to socialism or communism. Just about everyone with college
> degree will be executed in that case.

I am 100% against the United States converting to something other than
democracy. However, it's the Republican Party, beholden to Donald Trump,
that poses a threat of that. Voter suppression, the January 6th coup
attempt...

John Savard

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 by: Andrew McDowell - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 05:36 UTC

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 7:07:49 PM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 7:29:58 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>
> > Quaddie does not believe that he would be one of the first get a
> > personal firing squad should we lose our Republics in North America and
> > convert to socialism or communism. Just about everyone with college
> > degree will be executed in that case.
> I am 100% against the United States converting to something other than
> democracy. However, it's the Republican Party, beholden to Donald Trump,
> that poses a threat of that. Voter suppression, the January 6th coup
> attempt...
>
> John Savard
I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears that some people are actually changing their minds about the significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 05:41 UTC

On 3/13/2023 10:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:59:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2023 4:02 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00?PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18?PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
>>>>> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
>>>>> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
>>>>> pay.
>>>
>>>> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
>>>> end of World War One.
>>>
>>>> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.
>>>
>>> But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.
>>>
>>> Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
>>> mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
>>> have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...
>>>
>>> all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>
>> Germany was ENCOURAGED to rearm. The USSR menace was very real in the
>> late 1940s through 1980s.
>
> He's talking about what happened after WWI. Germany was allowed a very
> small military.
>
>> Japan has been encouraged to rearm also even though it is still a USA
>> protectorate.
>
> Germany and Japan were allowed/encouraged to rearm as part of/after
> their extensive re-education.
>
> This is why there was no WWIII one generation (11/18 to 9/39 == one
> generation) after 1945.
>
> Well, that and the threat of a /different/ WWIII resulting.
>
>> That one button push will fire off thousands of nuclear missiles. Only
>> a madman would think that is a reasonable solution. Russia will never
>> give up its nuclear missiles.
>
> Apparently, you missed the "disarm Russia" part of his totally
> unrealistic program.

It is Quaddie. How is he going to disarm Russia again ?

Lynn

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