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Re: [OT] Newspapers Across the Country Drop Dilbert

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 by: Hamish Laws - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:42 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17 PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 7:07:49 PM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 7:29:58 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >
> > > Quaddie does not believe that he would be one of the first get a
> > > personal firing squad should we lose our Republics in North America and
> > > convert to socialism or communism. Just about everyone with college
> > > degree will be executed in that case.
> > I am 100% against the United States converting to something other than
> > democracy. However, it's the Republican Party, beholden to Donald Trump,
> > that poses a threat of that. Voter suppression, the January 6th coup
> > attempt...
> >
> > John Savard
> I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears that some people are actually changing their minds about the significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the last 10 years

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In article <tup1f5$6upf$2@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>It is Quaddie. How is he going to disarm Russia again ?

(Hal Heydt)
At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
pretty good job of disarming Russia. (Or, conversely, one might
claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
itself.)

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 by: Quadibloc - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 15:04 UTC

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 11:42:02 PM UTC-6, Lynn McGuire wrote:

> It is Quaddie. How is he going to disarm Russia again ?

I can dream, can't I?

However, you are entirely correct. We almost certainly will instead
have to live with the unpleasant circumstance of the present world
imbalance, where aggressors have impunity for their misdeeds.

So here's my real-world plan B:

We support Ukraine for as long as we can, as much as we dare.

Should it fall, we resettle all the people that can be evactuated
from it.

And we wait, however long it may take, for Russia to falter or
weaken. At which point, it will _then_ face the bill, with accrued
interest, for:

- rebuilding Ukraine
- the cost of all assistance rendered to Ukraine
- rebuilding all historic structures in Ukraine destroyed
under Communism, such as the cathedrals destroyed
under Stalin
- compensating the former countries of the Warsaw Pact
for the losses to their economies from them not being in
Western Europe instead
- reimbursing the United States, and all its allies in NATO
and SEATO for all expenses paid by their taxpayers for
national defense that were occasioned by the conflict
with the Soviet Unioin

Just _how_ Russia is going to pay all that, with interest,
if it takes, say, 1,878 years for the Ukrainian people to
return home and for us to serve Russia with the bill, is,
of course, quite a question. But perhaps after all that time,
some of the wounds will have healed, and we will be able
to find it in our hearts to write off some of the debt... or
collect it in a form that Russia _can_ afford.

Reducing innocent people to starvation because of something
their distant ancestors did is, of course, not right.

But allocating permits to have children so that eventually
Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechia, Poland, and so on
are each countries ten times the size of Russia - and Tibet and
Uighuristan are ten times the size of China - seems to be
an only reasonable step to ensure that the historical destiny
of victims to become the unquestioned mighty victors, and
aggressors to recede into insignificance, is fulfilled.

However, this too obviously will never happen. Reducing
far-future Russians to starvatiion because of what their
distant ancestors did is wrong, and so would denying
far-future Russians modern medical care. If nobody ever
gets old and dies, one can't get a population to shrink without
killing people.

John Savard

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32 AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17 PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:

> > I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
> > that some people are actually changing their minds about the
> > significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information

> > https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the last 10 years

I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
determine the position of an object with high precision will create
uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.

Having read at least the first half or so of the article, my main
criticism of it would be that she has failed to consider the
possibility that with a very large amount of footage available,
Fox News might be capable of extracting from it a small amount
of stuff that could lead to a misleading impression.

And whether the Capitol Police are ultimately under the authority
of the legislative or executive branch, in the real world sometimes
theory and practice do not coincide. Thus, I need more convincing
that it was Pelosi, not Trump, who told the Capitol Police not to
worry about the demonstration.

In any case, I know it was Donald Trump who obstructed public-health
measures against COVID-19, I know it was he who spread the lies about
a stolen election, and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what kind of
evidence could overthrow that.

John Savard

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

> But allocating permits to have children so that eventually
> Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechia, Poland, and so on
> are each countries ten times the size of Russia - and Tibet and
> Uighuristan are ten times the size of China - seems to be
> an only reasonable step to ensure that the historical destiny
> of victims to become the unquestioned mighty victors, and
> aggressors to recede into insignificance, is fulfilled.
>
> However, this too obviously will never happen. Reducing
> far-future Russians to starvatiion because of what their
> distant ancestors did is wrong, and so would denying
> far-future Russians modern medical care. If nobody ever
> gets old and dies, one can't get a population to shrink without
> killing people.

Of course, if we discover FTL travel, and there are billions
of Earthlike or at least terraformable planets available that
are not owned by other intelligent life, then appropriate
priorities for spots on the ships going out can achieve a
similar result.

So we would have a galaxy filled with the kinds of people
who have been useful, or at least innoccuous, to the Western
World, whose leadership in technology gave humanity access
to space. Trillions of Jews, very few Arabs. Trillions of Ukrainians,
trillions of Estonians, trillions of Poles, trillions of Czechs,
only the descendants of _diaspora_ Russians. Trillions of
Bangaladeshis. Trillions of Kosovars.And so on and so forth. Even
down to trillions of Ibo, but very few Hausa, because Biafra will not
have been forgotten.

John Savard

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On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 9:40:07 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

> So we would have a galaxy filled with the kinds of people
> who have been useful, or at least innoccuous, to the Western
> World, whose leadership in technology gave humanity access
> to space.

Of course, though, after healing the demographic imbalances
caused by past aggressions and genocides and the like, so that
the size of each ethnic group's population relative to that of the
others is what it should have been, presumably space would be
open to all ethnic groups, because by then old ways of thinking
would be cast aside, and every man and woman of whatever
origin will have fully internalized the American Way.

What _really_ needs to be ensured is that within every nation,
within every ethnic group, that those who believe in peace and
cooperation and the advancement of technology are utterly
and absolutely dominant, and those who would be old-fashioned
enough to tolerate persecution of ethnic minorities, or to engage
in wars of aggression, or to infringe on freedom of religion or
freedom of dissent have, and always will have, no chance whatever
of challenging the dominance of their betters.

And this has to be achieved without repression, but instead in
a context of freedom and democracy!

A solution exists, of course. That solution is being forged even today,
in the halls of such companies as Nividia and Boston Dynamics.

In The Future, people may have any opinion about strawberries and
cream, but the kiddies won't be allowed to quit school until they have
at least a Bachelor's degree.

Work unworthy of college graduates will, of course, be done by
*robots*.

So right-thinking will just come _naturally_ to everyone.

John Savard

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On 3/14/2023 9:54 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <tup1f5$6upf$2@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is Quaddie. How is he going to disarm Russia again ?
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
> pretty good job of disarming Russia. (Or, conversely, one might
> claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
> ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
> itself.)

I was talking about disarming the 24,000+ nuclear weapons from Russia.
They have not used any of those in a LONG time. But, since Russia just
removed itself from the atmospheric test ban treaty, I expect to see an
atmospheric test of a Russian nuclear weapon soon.

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:02 UTC

On 3/14/2023 10:21 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32 AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17 PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>
>>> I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
>>> that some people are actually changing their minds about the
>>> significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information
>
>>> https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
>
>> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the last 10 years
>
> I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
> I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
> having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
> the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
> discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
> pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
> as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
> frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
> to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
> possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
> from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
> determine the position of an object with high precision will create
> uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.
>
> Having read at least the first half or so of the article, my main
> criticism of it would be that she has failed to consider the
> possibility that with a very large amount of footage available,
> Fox News might be capable of extracting from it a small amount
> of stuff that could lead to a misleading impression.
>
> And whether the Capitol Police are ultimately under the authority
> of the legislative or executive branch, in the real world sometimes
> theory and practice do not coincide. Thus, I need more convincing
> that it was Pelosi, not Trump, who told the Capitol Police not to
> worry about the demonstration.
>
> In any case, I know it was Donald Trump who obstructed public-health
> measures against COVID-19, I know it was he who spread the lies about
> a stolen election, and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what kind of
> evidence could overthrow that.
>
> John Savard

You seem to know a lot of false facts.

Lynn

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 19:34 UTC

On 3/14/2023 10:02 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/14/2023 10:21 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32 AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17 PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>
>>>> I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
>>>> that some people are actually changing their minds about the
>>>> significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information
>>
>>>> https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
>>
>>> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at
>>> least the last 10 years
>>
>> I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
>> I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
>> having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
>> the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
>> discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
>> pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
>> as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
>> frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
>> to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
>> possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
>> from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
>> determine the position of an object with high precision will create
>> uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.
>>
>> Having read at least the first half or so of the article, my main
>> criticism of it would be that she has failed to consider the
>> possibility that with a very large amount of footage available,
>> Fox News might be capable of extracting from it a small amount
>> of stuff that could lead to a misleading impression.
>>
>> And whether the Capitol Police are ultimately under the authority
>> of the legislative or executive branch, in the real world sometimes
>> theory and practice do not coincide. Thus, I need more convincing
>> that it was Pelosi, not Trump, who told the Capitol Police not to
>> worry about the demonstration.
>>
>> In any case, I know it was Donald Trump who obstructed public-health
>> measures against COVID-19, I know it was he who spread the lies about
>> a stolen election, and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what kind of
>> evidence could overthrow that.
>>
>> John Savard
>
> You seem to know a lot of false facts.
>
.....

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On 3/14/2023 9:59 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/14/2023 9:54 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <tup1f5$6upf$2@dont-email.me>,
>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It is Quaddie.   How is he going to disarm Russia again ?
>>
>> (Hal Heydt)
>> At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
>> pretty good job of disarming Russia.  (Or, conversely, one might
>> claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
>> ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
>> itself.)
>
> I was talking about disarming the 24,000+ nuclear weapons from Russia.
> They have not used any of those in a LONG time.  But, since Russia just
> removed itself from the atmospheric test ban treaty, I expect to see an
> atmospheric test of a Russian nuclear weapon soon.
>
What odds are you giving that such a test will not take place in Russia?

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 by: Andrew McDowell - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 20:02 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 3:21:20 PM UTC, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32 AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17 PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>
> > > I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
> > > that some people are actually changing their minds about the
> > > significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information
>
> > > https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
>
> > Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the last 10 years
> I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
> I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
> having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
> the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
> discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
> pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
> as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
> frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
> to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
> possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
> from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
> determine the position of an object with high precision will create
> uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.
>
(Much trimmed because I find this idea striking)
My own motto, typically applied to myself, is "even fools have to make their own decisions" because even if you decide to slavishly follow somebody else's advice, you have to decide who to follow. I have also noticed that following instructions that you do not understand greatly increases the risk of misunderstanding those instructions.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 20:21 UTC

On 3/14/2023 2:35 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/14/2023 9:59 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/14/2023 9:54 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <tup1f5$6upf$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It is Quaddie.   How is he going to disarm Russia again ?
>>>
>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>> At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
>>> pretty good job of disarming Russia.  (Or, conversely, one might
>>> claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
>>> ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
>>> itself.)
>>
>> I was talking about disarming the 24,000+ nuclear weapons from Russia.
>> They have not used any of those in a LONG time.  But, since Russia
>> just removed itself from the atmospheric test ban treaty, I expect to
>> see an atmospheric test of a Russian nuclear weapon soon.
>>
> What odds are you giving that such a test will not take place in Russia?

Are you really going to use a nuclear test to bet on ?

You know, there are casinos, dog tracks, and horse tracks across the
nation that you can bet on. Me, I am not interested in betting on stuff
that I cannot even partially control.

Lynn

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On 3/14/2023 1:21 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/14/2023 2:35 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 3/14/2023 9:59 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 3/14/2023 9:54 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <tup1f5$6upf$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Lynn McGuire  <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> It is Quaddie.   How is he going to disarm Russia again ?
>>>>
>>>> (Hal Heydt)
>>>> At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
>>>> pretty good job of disarming Russia.  (Or, conversely, one might
>>>> claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
>>>> ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
>>>> itself.)
>>>
>>> I was talking about disarming the 24,000+ nuclear weapons from
>>> Russia. They have not used any of those in a LONG time.  But, since
>>> Russia just removed itself from the atmospheric test ban treaty, I
>>> expect to see an atmospheric test of a Russian nuclear weapon soon.
>>>
>> What odds are you giving that such a test will not take place in Russia?
>
> Are you really going to use a nuclear test to bet on ?
>
> You know, there are casinos, dog tracks, and horse tracks across the
> nation that you can bet on.  Me, I am not interested in betting on stuff
> that I cannot even partially control.
>
*WHOOSH*

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On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 3:59:43 AM UTC+11, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/14/2023 9:54 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> > In article <tup1f5$6upf$2...@dont-email.me>,
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It is Quaddie. How is he going to disarm Russia again ?
> >
> > (Hal Heydt)
> > At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
> > pretty good job of disarming Russia. (Or, conversely, one might
> > claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
> > ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
> > itself.)
> I was talking about disarming the 24,000+ nuclear weapons from Russia.
> They have not used any of those in a LONG time. But, since Russia just
> removed itself from the atmospheric test ban treaty, I expect to see an
> atmospheric test of a Russian nuclear weapon soon.

I don't see them triggering a nuke
Escalating by using one in Ukraine is extremely likely to get more intervention from NATO nations (and allies)

The intimidation factor of an atmospheric nuke test isn't worth the fallout in either a political or scientific meaning of the word

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 by: Robert Woodward - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 04:51 UTC

In article <tuq9b0$dvl6$3@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/14/2023 10:21 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32?AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17?PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> >
> >>> I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
> >>> that some people are actually changing their minds about the
> >>> significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information
> >
> >>> https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
> >
> >> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the
> >> last 10 years
> >
> > I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
> > I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
> > having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
> > the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
> > discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
> > pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
> > as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
> > frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
> > to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
> > possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
> > from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
> > determine the position of an object with high precision will create
> > uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.
> >
> > Having read at least the first half or so of the article, my main
> > criticism of it would be that she has failed to consider the
> > possibility that with a very large amount of footage available,
> > Fox News might be capable of extracting from it a small amount
> > of stuff that could lead to a misleading impression.
> >
> > And whether the Capitol Police are ultimately under the authority
> > of the legislative or executive branch, in the real world sometimes
> > theory and practice do not coincide. Thus, I need more convincing
> > that it was Pelosi, not Trump, who told the Capitol Police not to
> > worry about the demonstration.
> >
> > In any case, I know it was Donald Trump who obstructed public-health
> > measures against COVID-19, I know it was he who spread the lies about
> > a stolen election, and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what kind of
> > evidence could overthrow that.
> >
> > John Savard
>
> You seem to know a lot of false facts.
>
> Lynn

While defending Quadi is not comfortable, what false facts? DJT
certainly demeaned any number of medical experts and promoted quack
cures for Covid-19. He also claimed election fraud, but judges weren't
buying it. I see several possible reasons for that:

1) Actual proof was presented, but not accepted because the fix was in
(but the data should had been leaked on a grand scale - with possible
leakers being charged with violating court orders).

2) Lawyers charged for thousands of hours "collecting evidence", but
presented nothing, because a different fix was in (what they were doing
in all those billable hours is a different question).

3) Lawyers charged for thousands of hours looking for evidence, but
couldn't find any.

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Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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 by: Paul S Person - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 15:55 UTC

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:51:31 -0700, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

>In article <tuq9b0$dvl6$3@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/14/2023 10:21 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32?AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17?PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> >
>> >>> I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
>> >>> that some people are actually changing their minds about the
>> >>> significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information
>> >
>> >>> https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
>> >
>> >> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the
>> >> last 10 years
>> >
>> > I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
>> > I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
>> > having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
>> > the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
>> > discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
>> > pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
>> > as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
>> > frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
>> > to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
>> > possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
>> > from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
>> > determine the position of an object with high precision will create
>> > uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.
>> >
>> > Having read at least the first half or so of the article, my main
>> > criticism of it would be that she has failed to consider the
>> > possibility that with a very large amount of footage available,
>> > Fox News might be capable of extracting from it a small amount
>> > of stuff that could lead to a misleading impression.
>> >
>> > And whether the Capitol Police are ultimately under the authority
>> > of the legislative or executive branch, in the real world sometimes
>> > theory and practice do not coincide. Thus, I need more convincing
>> > that it was Pelosi, not Trump, who told the Capitol Police not to
>> > worry about the demonstration.
>> >
>> > In any case, I know it was Donald Trump who obstructed public-health
>> > measures against COVID-19, I know it was he who spread the lies about
>> > a stolen election, and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what kind of
>> > evidence could overthrow that.
>> >
>> > John Savard
>>
>> You seem to know a lot of false facts.
>>
>> Lynn
>
>While defending Quadi is not comfortable, what false facts? DJT
>certainly demeaned any number of medical experts and promoted quack
>cures for Covid-19. He also claimed election fraud, but judges weren't
>buying it. I see several possible reasons for that:
>
>1) Actual proof was presented, but not accepted because the fix was in
>(but the data should had been leaked on a grand scale - with possible
>leakers being charged with violating court orders).
>
>2) Lawyers charged for thousands of hours "collecting evidence", but
>presented nothing, because a different fix was in (what they were doing
>in all those billable hours is a different question).
>
>3) Lawyers charged for thousands of hours looking for evidence, but
>couldn't find any.

The reality in at least some cases seems to be:

4) No actual proof was ever presented and the lawyers are now in deep
doo-doo as a result of wasting the Court's time and abusing the
Judicial system.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Kevrob - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 02:38 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:42:32 AM UTC-4, Hamish Laws wrote:

[snip]

> > I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears that some
> > people are actually changing their minds about the significance of the events
> > of Jan 6th in the light of new information
> > https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least the last 10 years

I couldn;t take her seriously going back to the days of her "The Beauty Myth."
As TV political pundits went, she was a babe. 1993 photo @

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/can-finally-admit-naomi-wolf-rubbish-along/

Ms Wolf had a "hottest female on the school debate team"* thing going on.

--
Kevin R
* (long-time high school and some-time college debater.)

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 by: Robert Woodward - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 04:46 UTC

In article <rgq31i9mg7hk3e12vc1a5vvrvoaghnm7oe@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 21:51:31 -0700, Robert Woodward
> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <tuq9b0$dvl6$3@dont-email.me>,
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/14/2023 10:21 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 5:42:32?AM UTC-6, Hamish Laws wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 4:36:17?PM UTC+11, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> I must admit to being somewhat surprised by this, but it appears
> >> >>> that some people are actually changing their minds about the
> >> >>> significance of the events of Jan 6th in the light of new information
> >> >
> >> >>> https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry
> >> >
> >> >> Naomi Wolf hasn't found a conspiracy theory she didn't buy in at least
> >> >> the
> >> >> last 10 years
> >> >
> >> > I remember the name Naomi Wolf, but offhand at the moment
> >> > I am not familiar with her work. I do tend to be of the opinion that
> >> > having an open mind should be a privilege reserved for those with
> >> > the intelligence and background to examine new ideas with
> >> > discernment, and everyone else should just meekly accept the
> >> > pronouncements of the accredited elite when they say such things
> >> > as "the Earth is round", "the Earth orbits the Sun", "objects in a
> >> > frame of reference moving rapidly with respect to one's own appear
> >> > to be shorter in the direction of motion; this is mutual, and that is
> >> > possible because motion tilts Time itself", "the human race is descended
> >> > from apes very similar to modern chimpanzees", "attempting to
> >> > determine the position of an object with high precision will create
> >> > uncertainty about its velocity, and vice versa", and so on and so forth.
> >> >
> >> > Having read at least the first half or so of the article, my main
> >> > criticism of it would be that she has failed to consider the
> >> > possibility that with a very large amount of footage available,
> >> > Fox News might be capable of extracting from it a small amount
> >> > of stuff that could lead to a misleading impression.
> >> >
> >> > And whether the Capitol Police are ultimately under the authority
> >> > of the legislative or executive branch, in the real world sometimes
> >> > theory and practice do not coincide. Thus, I need more convincing
> >> > that it was Pelosi, not Trump, who told the Capitol Police not to
> >> > worry about the demonstration.
> >> >
> >> > In any case, I know it was Donald Trump who obstructed public-health
> >> > measures against COVID-19, I know it was he who spread the lies about
> >> > a stolen election, and so on and so forth. I'm not sure what kind of
> >> > evidence could overthrow that.
> >> >
> >> > John Savard
> >>
> >> You seem to know a lot of false facts.
> >>
> >> Lynn
> >
> >While defending Quadi is not comfortable, what false facts? DJT
> >certainly demeaned any number of medical experts and promoted quack
> >cures for Covid-19. He also claimed election fraud, but judges weren't
> >buying it. I see several possible reasons for that:
> >
> >1) Actual proof was presented, but not accepted because the fix was in
> >(but the data should had been leaked on a grand scale - with possible
> >leakers being charged with violating court orders).
> >
> >2) Lawyers charged for thousands of hours "collecting evidence", but
> >presented nothing, because a different fix was in (what they were doing
> >in all those billable hours is a different question).
> >
> >3) Lawyers charged for thousands of hours looking for evidence, but
> >couldn't find any.
>
> The reality in at least some cases seems to be:
>
> 4) No actual proof was ever presented and the lawyers are now in deep
> doo-doo as a result of wasting the Court's time and abusing the
> Judicial system.

I view that as a variant of (2).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
-------------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 17 Mar 2023 06:27 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-6, Quadibloc wrote:

> But allocating permits to have children so that eventually
> Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czechia, Poland, and so on
> are each countries ten times the size of Russia - and Tibet and
> Uighuristan are ten times the size of China - seems to be
> an only reasonable step to ensure that the historical destiny
> of victims to become the unquestioned mighty victors, and
> aggressors to recede into insignificance, is fulfilled.

While playing with the destinies of individuals as though they
were just pieces on a checkerboard, in pursuit of some strange
revenge for the sins of their distant ancestors... is clearly
objectionable, there is *one* serious thing that could really be
done in this connection.

What are all these Russians doing in Star Trek? I don't recall
ever seeing a Ukrainian there. Although I haven't kept up with
all the new series.

Fiction about the future, at least, when it is aiming at a diverse
representation of peples, ouoght to depict a world where...
aggression has, somehow, had consequences for the nations
that engaged in it. And where those who had suffered have
ultimately triumphed.

John Savard

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 by: David Johnston - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 16:41 UTC

On 2023-03-06 2:37 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/6/2023 2:31 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 3/6/2023 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 09:09:20 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/5/2023 8:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 11:16:03 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/4/2023 8:29 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 11:29:24 -0800 (PST), Andrew McDowell
>>>>>>> <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:05:05?PM UTC, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2 Mar 2023 20:20:24 GMT, Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-03-02, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <snippo mucho>
>>>>>>>>>>> So that statement by Ratcliffe wouldn't have been reported on
>>>>>>>>>>> major news
>>>>>>>>>>> websites like:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> USAToday:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/19/russian-disinformation-not-behind-biden-emails-dni-ratcliffe-says/3712484001/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> CNN:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <hhttps://www.cnn.com/2020/10/21/politics/fbi-russia-disinformation/index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Washington Post:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-hunter-biden-laptop-russia/2020/10/20/3478408a-133d-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like those?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep. It was then buried in favor of the 50 former intelligence
>>>>>>>>>> agencies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask the readership here:
>>>>>>>>>> How many of you were aware before the election (or even after)
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the DNI, FBI, and Justice Department had all said that the Hunter
>>>>>>>>>> Biden laptop was not Russian disinformation?
>>>>>>>>> I never understood why something Biden's son did when Biden was
>>>>>>>>> VP was
>>>>>>>>> of any significance whatsoever. We no longer hold parents
>>>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>>>> for their children's actions; indeed, God Himself disavows this
>>>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>>>> in the Bible, so the Republicans, being so religious, should
>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>> not have been trying to do so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (trimmed)
>>>>>>>> Ted Cruz spent some time on this, and you can look at old
>>>>>>>> episodes of his podcast "Verdict" to hear it for yourselves.
>>>>>>>> Cruz claimed that he was never interested in Hunter's less than
>>>>>>>> exemplary behaviour for itself. His argument was that the
>>>>>>>> foreign businesses paying Hunter for his supposed skills were
>>>>>>>> not really buying his skills, but his influence with Joe Biden.
>>>>>>>> Cruz tried to show that there was evidence of money transfers
>>>>>>>> from Hunter to Biden passing on these payments. There is also
>>>>>>>> the question of how Joe Biden might support Hunter if Hunter
>>>>>>>> wasn't making all of this money. Cruz also got hold of a report
>>>>>>>> that Hunter had produced I think as a combined initial piece of
>>>>>>>> work and sales brochure. Cruz claimed that the language and
>>>>>>>> general professionalism of the report suggested that this was in
>>>>>>>> fact a cut and paste job from something like a background
>>>>>>>> briefing given to Joe Biden. The classification or otherwise of
>>>>>>>> the report and of any sections cut and pasted was a subject of
>>>>>> Cruz's
>>>>>>>> surmise, but he had no real evidence for the report's existence,
>>>>>>>> least of all its classification.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of which suggests that the "story" is worth pursuing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is pursued because they are throwing rotten spaghetti at the wall
>>>>>> trying to get anything to stick.  Hunter Biden's behavior isn't the
>>>>>> point of the exercise, the damage to their opposition that they
>>>>>> can use
>>>>>> the appearance of it to cause is the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with that analysis of the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> But /is/ there any damage to their opposition? Or are they shooting
>>>>> themselves in the foot, so to speak?
>>>>
>>>> Depends on who you ask.  The MAGA base believes them but then the base
>>>> believes anything they say and already hates "outsiders" so doesn't
>>>> need
>>>> to be whipped up to vote Republican.  The main effect appears to be
>>>> whipping them up to do more than just vote.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone else?  Probably very little effect other than the casualties
>>>> suffered from the "more than just vote" MAGA contingent.
>>>
>>> Who may, eventually, move into the category "domestic terrorist".
>>>
>>> This isn't the 80's. And Ronnie isn't in charge to claim it's only a
>>> local problem.
>>
>> What's this "may, eventually" bit?  Right wing extremist groups have
>> long since moved into the #1 domestic terrorist problem in the US and
>> are responsible for over 90% of all terrorist caused deaths in the US.
>
> Those numbers are patently false.  The single largest terrorist event in
> the last 50 years in the USA was muslim extremists in New York City who
> killed 2,977 innocent souls and destroyed several billion dollars of
> real estate property and air planes in a single event.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

That was more than 20 years ago. In the intervening time period
Christian terrorism has been a bigger problem.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 19:16 UTC

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 08:42:38 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:59:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 3/12/2023 4:02 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00?PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18?PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
>>>>> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
>>>>> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
>>>>> pay.
>>>
>>>> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
>>>> end of World War One.
>>>
>>>> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.
>>>
>>> But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.
>>>
>>> Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
>>> mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
>>> have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...
>>>
>>> all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>
>>Germany was ENCOURAGED to rearm. The USSR menace was very real in the
>>late 1940s through 1980s.
>
>He's talking about what happened after WWI. Germany was allowed a very
>small military.
>
>>Japan has been encouraged to rearm also even though it is still a USA
>>protectorate.
>
>Germany and Japan were allowed/encouraged to rearm as part of/after
>their extensive re-education.

I'd argue the Berlin airlift crisis and the Korean War played at least
as much a factor as what you name.

And the "joke" in West Germany in the 60s and 70s was that German
towns had been built 10 kilotons apart.....and no question a large
part of NATO / West German strategy in that era was fortifying towns
to prevent a Soviet deep thrust to the Rhine.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 19:17 UTC

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:54:11 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <tup1f5$6upf$2@dont-email.me>,
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>It is Quaddie. How is he going to disarm Russia again ?
>
>(Hal Heydt)
>At least as far as conventional arms go, Ukraine is doing a
>pretty good job of disarming Russia. (Or, conversely, one might
>claim that, through the use of consistently stupid and
>ineffective tactics, Russia is doing a fine job of disarming
>itself.)

Yes they are which is why if there was a serious Chinese-Russian
falling out eastern Siberia could be in peril of changing hands. (Most
of that territory had been Japanese occupied for at least part of the
Russian Civil War and White occupied for the rest of it)

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:59:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire
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>I was talking about disarming the 24,000+ nuclear weapons from Russia.
>They have not used any of those in a LONG time. But, since Russia just
>removed itself from the atmospheric test ban treaty, I expect to see an
>atmospheric test of a Russian nuclear weapon soon.

That would be one way to end 'global warming' though it would only
take about 100-200 Hiroshima sized nukes in northern Siberia to
accomplish that.

Given the side effects it's not my idea of a 'solution'

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 by: David Johnston - Sat, 18 Mar 2023 20:22 UTC

On 2023-03-12 3:02 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 7:51:00 PM UTC-7, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 6:38:18 PM UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>>> Since the only just way to rebuild Ukraine is for not one penny of the cost to be
>>> paid for by the innocent Ukrainian people, or by the innocent taxpayers of the
>>> United States or its allies. Russia committed the aggression, so Russia should
>>> pay.
>
>> That sounds much like the Allied approach to reparations from Germany at the
>> end of World War One.
>
>> As just as it may be, it didn't work well.
>
> But we now know exactly what mistakes were made back then.
>
> Germany was permitted to rearm. Now, we don't have to make that
> mistake. If, after Russia has paid its debts, and the occupation troops
> have been withdrawn, it takes one step towards rearming...
>
> all it takes is to push one button to bring that to an end.

The idea that you could keep oppressing Russia forever and never have to
pay the toll for your abuse is ill-founded.

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On 3/18/2023 11:41 AM, David Johnston wrote:
> On 2023-03-06 2:37 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/6/2023 2:31 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2023 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 09:09:20 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/2023 8:46 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 11:16:03 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
>>>>>> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/4/2023 8:29 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 11:29:24 -0800 (PST), Andrew McDowell
>>>>>>>> <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 5:05:05?PM UTC, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Mar 2023 20:20:24 GMT, Chris Buckley <al...@sabir.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-03-02, Alan <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <snippo mucho>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So that statement by Ratcliffe wouldn't have been reported
>>>>>>>>>>>> on major news
>>>>>>>>>>>> websites like:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> USAToday:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/19/russian-disinformation-not-behind-biden-emails-dni-ratcliffe-says/3712484001/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> CNN:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <hhttps://www.cnn.com/2020/10/21/politics/fbi-russia-disinformation/index.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Washington Post:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/fbi-hunter-biden-laptop-russia/2020/10/20/3478408a-133d-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like those?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep. It was then buried in favor of the 50 former
>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence agencies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll ask the readership here:
>>>>>>>>>>> How many of you were aware before the election (or even
>>>>>>>>>>> after) that
>>>>>>>>>>> the DNI, FBI, and Justice Department had all said that the
>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden laptop was not Russian disinformation?
>>>>>>>>>> I never understood why something Biden's son did when Biden
>>>>>>>>>> was VP was
>>>>>>>>>> of any significance whatsoever. We no longer hold parents
>>>>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>>>>> for their children's actions; indeed, God Himself disavows
>>>>>>>>>> this policy
>>>>>>>>>> in the Bible, so the Republicans, being so religious, should
>>>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>>>> not have been trying to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (trimmed)
>>>>>>>>> Ted Cruz spent some time on this, and you can look at old
>>>>>>>>> episodes of his podcast "Verdict" to hear it for yourselves.
>>>>>>>>> Cruz claimed that he was never interested in Hunter's less than
>>>>>>>>> exemplary behaviour for itself. His argument was that the
>>>>>>>>> foreign businesses paying Hunter for his supposed skills were
>>>>>>>>> not really buying his skills, but his influence with Joe Biden.
>>>>>>>>> Cruz tried to show that there was evidence of money transfers
>>>>>>>>> from Hunter to Biden passing on these payments. There is also
>>>>>>>>> the question of how Joe Biden might support Hunter if Hunter
>>>>>>>>> wasn't making all of this money. Cruz also got hold of a report
>>>>>>>>> that Hunter had produced I think as a combined initial piece of
>>>>>>>>> work and sales brochure. Cruz claimed that the language and
>>>>>>>>> general professionalism of the report suggested that this was
>>>>>>>>> in fact a cut and paste job from something like a background
>>>>>>>>> briefing given to Joe Biden. The classification or otherwise of
>>>>>>>>> the report and of any sections cut and pasted was a subject of
>>>>>>> Cruz's
>>>>>>>>> surmise, but he had no real evidence for the report's
>>>>>>>>> existence, least of all its classification.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None of which suggests that the "story" is worth pursuing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is pursued because they are throwing rotten spaghetti at the wall
>>>>>>> trying to get anything to stick.  Hunter Biden's behavior isn't the
>>>>>>> point of the exercise, the damage to their opposition that they
>>>>>>> can use
>>>>>>> the appearance of it to cause is the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with that analysis of the situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But /is/ there any damage to their opposition? Or are they shooting
>>>>>> themselves in the foot, so to speak?
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on who you ask.  The MAGA base believes them but then the base
>>>>> believes anything they say and already hates "outsiders" so doesn't
>>>>> need
>>>>> to be whipped up to vote Republican.  The main effect appears to be
>>>>> whipping them up to do more than just vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone else?  Probably very little effect other than the casualties
>>>>> suffered from the "more than just vote" MAGA contingent.
>>>>
>>>> Who may, eventually, move into the category "domestic terrorist".
>>>>
>>>> This isn't the 80's. And Ronnie isn't in charge to claim it's only a
>>>> local problem.
>>>
>>> What's this "may, eventually" bit?  Right wing extremist groups have
>>> long since moved into the #1 domestic terrorist problem in the US and
>>> are responsible for over 90% of all terrorist caused deaths in the US.
>>
>> Those numbers are patently false.  The single largest terrorist event
>> in the last 50 years in the USA was muslim extremists in New York City
>> who killed 2,977 innocent souls and destroyed several billion dollars
>> of real estate property and air planes in a single event.
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
>
> That was more than 20 years ago.  In the intervening time period
> Christian terrorism has been a bigger problem.

Please name dates and places of these supposed Christian terrorism events.

Lynn

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