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* (tor dot com) Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid BeltJames Nicoll
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 by: James Nicoll - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:07 UTC

Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt

Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.

https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
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 by: Lynn McGuire - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:04 UTC

On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>
> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/

Yup, I read "The Little Prince" and saw the movie. I think that I read
"High Justice".

Lynn

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 19:13 UTC

On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>
> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/

A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
Les Johnson.
https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/

Lynn

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 by: Quadibloc - Wed, 22 Mar 2023 23:04 UTC

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>
> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/

I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain why so many
recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets these days.

It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie theatres, where
the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...

I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.

John Savard

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:59 UTC

On Wednesday, 22 March 2023 at 19:13:12 UTC, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
> >
> > Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
> >
> > https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
> Les Johnson.
> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/

"Space travel isn't cut and dry"? Is this about hairdressing?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cut_and_dry#English
https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/31/cut-and-dry/

"Although this form is listed in the Oxford English Dictionary,
it is definitely less common in sophisticated writing."

So apparently my taste is mainly for sophisticated
writing, and rasfw fairly consistently supplies it. ;-)

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 by: Robert Woodward - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 04:50 UTC

In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
> >
> > Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
> >
> > https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-bel
> > t/
>
> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
> Les Johnson.
> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
>

Really? Let's see now:

1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.

2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
Earth

3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
significant damage.

The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 13:31 UTC

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
> > Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
> >
> > Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
> >
> > https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
> I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain why so many
> recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets these days.
>
> It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie theatres, where
> the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/why-movies-so-dark-hard-to-see-batman-1235195535/

https://www.slashfilm.com/673162/heres-why-movie-dialogue-has-gotten-more-difficult-to-understand-and-three-ways-to-fix-it
also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M-Yt4RpO90

pt

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 by: Paul S Person - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 15:44 UTC

On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09?AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>
>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>
>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
>
>I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain why so many
>recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets these days.
>
>It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie theatres, where
>the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>
>I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.

Personally, I find the ... more plebeian ... sound systems make the
dialog easier to hear. Provided, of course, that the people mixing the
soundtrack actually /want/ it to be heard.

A recent article on the decline of movie theaters noted that they are
on a downward cycle: fewer people came back than hoped for after the
pandemic, and fewer still are returning. This, of course, affects
revenue, which reduces staff, which (in some cases) results in nobody
actually ensuring the film is playing properly, which reduces the
number of customers, and so on.

But another cause (according to the article) is the tendency of some
directors to make their films so dark nobody can see what is going on.
This is /not/ a matter of individual device settings; it is /not/ a
matter of theater settings; it is a failure on the part of filmmakers
to perform properly. And I suspect that, in the long run, they will
suffer (economically) for it.

IIRC, a while back DC cancelled pending films and replaced the people
who were creating their DCU movies with new people. So the "economic
suffering" referred to above may already be hitting some people.
Perhaps DC came to realize that producing movies that get great
reviews but that nobody enjoys watching because they just aren't
enjoyable was a bad idea, and are trying for something somewhat more
pleasing to actual audiences.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 15:53 UTC

In article <3fso1i1evgmi3qc9o662sahqtog6sqf0m3@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09?AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>
>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>
>>>
>https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
>
>>
>>I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain why so many
>>recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets these days.
>>
>>It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie theatres, where
>>the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>>
>>I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.
>
>Personally, I find the ... more plebeian ... sound systems make the
>dialog easier to hear. Provided, of course, that the people mixing the
>soundtrack actually /want/ it to be heard.
>
>A recent article on the decline of movie theaters noted that they are
>on a downward cycle: fewer people came back than hoped for after the
>pandemic, and fewer still are returning. This, of course, affects
>revenue, which reduces staff, which (in some cases) results in nobody
>actually ensuring the film is playing properly, which reduces the
>number of customers, and so on.
>
>But another cause (according to the article) is the tendency of some
>directors to make their films so dark nobody can see what is going on.
>This is /not/ a matter of individual device settings; it is /not/ a
>matter of theater settings; it is a failure on the part of filmmakers
>to perform properly. And I suspect that, in the long run, they will
>suffer (economically) for it.
>
>IIRC, a while back DC cancelled pending films and replaced the people
>who were creating their DCU movies with new people. So the "economic
>suffering" referred to above may already be hitting some people.
>Perhaps DC came to realize that producing movies that get great
>reviews but that nobody enjoys watching because they just aren't
>enjoyable was a bad idea, and are trying for something somewhat more
>pleasing to actual audiences.

I think they cancelled one actual movie that was not working and
announced a new regime with the Guardians Of The Galaxy guy as the
universe showrunner. Unfortunately that kind of cut the legs out
from under three movies done under the old team ("Shazam II", "Aquaman II",
and "Flash") that are now orphaned (who wants to see something that
will just be erased), and the new team's movies won't be out for years.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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 by: James Nicoll - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:08 UTC

In article <3fso1i1evgmi3qc9o662sahqtog6sqf0m3@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09?AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>
>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>
>>>
>https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
>>
>>I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain
>why so many
>>recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets
>these days.
>>
>>It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie
>theatres, where
>>the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>>
>>I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.
>
>Personally, I find the ... more plebeian ... sound systems make the
>dialog easier to hear. Provided, of course, that the people mixing the
>soundtrack actually /want/ it to be heard.
>
>A recent article on the decline of movie theaters noted that they are
>on a downward cycle: fewer people came back than hoped for after the
>pandemic, and fewer still are returning. This, of course, affects
>revenue, which reduces staff, which (in some cases) results in nobody
>actually ensuring the film is playing properly, which reduces the
>number of customers, and so on.
>
>But another cause (according to the article) is the tendency of some
>directors to make their films so dark nobody can see what is going on.
>This is /not/ a matter of individual device settings; it is /not/ a
>matter of theater settings; it is a failure on the part of filmmakers
>to perform properly. And I suspect that, in the long run, they will
>suffer (economically) for it.
>
>IIRC, a while back DC cancelled pending films and replaced the people
>who were creating their DCU movies with new people. So the "economic
>suffering" referred to above may already be hitting some people.
>Perhaps DC came to realize that producing movies that get great
>reviews but that nobody enjoys watching because they just aren't
>enjoyable was a bad idea, and are trying for something somewhat more
>pleasing to actual audiences.

Note that my complaint was about the TV show the Expanse. Films
may have issues too but it wouldn't explain why TV shows are so
dark.

(Wasn't there a late episode of Game of Thrones where many viewers
complained their screens were entirely black?)
--
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My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
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Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
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>>On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09?AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
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>days.
>>
>>It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie =
>theatres, where
>>the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>>
>>I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.
>
>Personally, I find the ... more plebeian ... sound systems make the
>dialog easier to hear. Provided, of course, that the people mixing the
>soundtrack actually /want/ it to be heard.
>
>A recent article on the decline of movie theaters noted that they are
>on a downward cycle: fewer people came back than hoped for after the
>pandemic, and fewer still are returning. This, of course, affects
>revenue, which reduces staff, which (in some cases) results in nobody
>actually ensuring the film is playing properly, which reduces the
>number of customers, and so on.

I've seen three so far this year, the most recent being the
latest antman movie (I've not seen any of the prior marvel
films). There were never more than six people in the
49 seat theater. Nice reclining seats, sound and picture
were good.

The antman movie was popcorn SF (and SFX) entertainment, an acceptable use
of two hours or so (lots and lots of credits at the end), preceeded by
a nice dinner (salmon) at a local grill.

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 by: James Nicoll - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:56 UTC

In article <cV_SL.1988494$vBI8.1443933@fx15.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>I've seen three so far this year, the most recent being the
>latest antman movie (I've not seen any of the prior marvel
>films). There were never more than six people in the
>49 seat theater. Nice reclining seats, sound and picture
>were good.
>
The theatres where I work seem to be getting back to at least half
capacity. It's a pity audiences were tending to be about 5% masked
before I abandoned counting that parameter.

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 20:05 UTC

On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:56:25 PM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <cV_SL.1988494$vBI8.1...@fx15.iad>,
> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >I've seen three so far this year, the most recent being the
> >latest antman movie (I've not seen any of the prior marvel
> >films). There were never more than six people in the
> >49 seat theater. Nice reclining seats, sound and picture
> >were good.
> >
> The theatres where I work seem to be getting back to at least half
> capacity. It's a pity audiences were tending to be about 5% masked
> before I abandoned counting that parameter.

I went to see the new Antman movie a couple of weeks ago myself, on
a Saturday night.

The first theatre I went to, the 6:45 showing was sold out.

At the second theatre I tried, the 7:15 show had maybe 6 people
in the theatre, including us.

The first theatre was somewhat better, with electric reclining seats,
but it wasn't a huge difference.

BTW: The film sucked. My wife is an MCU 'stan', so we wind up seeing
pretty much every film. I knew it sucked going in, but in the interests of
marital harmony let her discover its suckiness herself.

pt

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In article <de1a5e67-5f7e-4c04-8411-90a477feb1a7n@googlegroups.com>,
pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 12:56:25 PM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <cV_SL.1988494$vBI8.1...@fx15.iad>,
>> Scott Lurndal <sl...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >I've seen three so far this year, the most recent being the
>> >latest antman movie (I've not seen any of the prior marvel
>> >films). There were never more than six people in the
>> >49 seat theater. Nice reclining seats, sound and picture
>> >were good.
>> >
>> The theatres where I work seem to be getting back to at least half
>> capacity. It's a pity audiences were tending to be about 5% masked
>> before I abandoned counting that parameter.
>
>I went to see the new Antman movie a couple of weeks ago myself, on
>a Saturday night.
>
>The first theatre I went to, the 6:45 showing was sold out.
>
>At the second theatre I tried, the 7:15 show had maybe 6 people
>in the theatre, including us.
>
>The first theatre was somewhat better, with electric reclining seats,
>but it wasn't a huge difference.
>
>BTW: The film sucked. My wife is an MCU 'stan', so we wind up seeing
>pretty much every film. I knew it sucked going in, but in the interests of
>marital harmony let her discover its suckiness herself.
>
>pt

The thing is they made a Star Wars movie instead of a Marvel movie.
It's very apparent when they replay Lando/Cloud City and have Death Star
archictecture & Empire tropes later.

(It wasn't a great Star Wars movie, but nobody else is making them now..)
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 by: Lynn McGuire - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 22:46 UTC

On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>
>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>
>>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-bel
>>> t/
>>
>> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
>> Les Johnson.
>> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
>>
>
> Really? Let's see now:
>
> 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
> into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
>
> 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
> Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
> Earth
>
> 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
> significant damage.
>
> The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
> third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.

Are you a rocket scientist ? Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are for
NASA.

Lynn

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 03:02 UTC

On 3/23/2023 3:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
>>   Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>>
>>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-bel
>>>> t/
>>>
>>> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
>>> Les Johnson.
>>>      https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
>>>
>>
>> Really? Let's see now:
>>
>> 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
>> into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
>>
>> 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
>> Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
>> Earth
>>
>> 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
>> significant damage.
>>
>> The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
>> third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.
>
> Are you a rocket scientist ?  Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are for
> NASA.
>
That hasn't stopped Mr. Taylor from writing some very implausible Sci-Fi
science before.

--
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dirty old man.

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 03:18 UTC

On 3/23/2023 10:02 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/23/2023 3:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>> In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
>>>   Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>>>
>>>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-bel
>>>>> t/
>>>>
>>>> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
>>>> Les Johnson.
>>>>      https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really? Let's see now:
>>>
>>> 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
>>> into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
>>>
>>> 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
>>> Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
>>> Earth
>>>
>>> 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
>>> significant damage.
>>>
>>> The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
>>> third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.
>>
>> Are you a rocket scientist ?  Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are
>> for NASA.
>>
> That hasn't stopped Mr. Taylor from writing some very implausible Sci-Fi
> science before.

Oh yes, his "Warp Speed" book is definitely not hard science as he
invents an FTL drive. But the "On To The Asteroid" is fairly hard science.

Lynn

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 by: Titus G - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 04:08 UTC

On 24/03/23 02:31, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 7:04:32 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>
>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>
>>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
>> I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain why so many
>> recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets these days.
>>
>> It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie theatres, where
>> the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>
> https://variety.com/2022/film/news/why-movies-so-dark-hard-to-see-batman-1235195535/
>
> https://www.slashfilm.com/673162/heres-why-movie-dialogue-has-gotten-more-difficult-to-understand-and-three-ways-to-fix-it

Damn. I thought that the "ways to fix it" referred to how I could fix it
at home where I watch all films and series. One of my favourite TV
series was "The Wire" but the dialogue was often impossible to hear.

> also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M-Yt4RpO90

Does this have any practical suggestions for me as a consumer?

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 by: Robert Woodward - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 05:11 UTC

In article <tviksm$1b61k$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> > In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
> >>>
> >>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-b
> >>> el
> >>> t/
> >>
> >> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
> >> Les Johnson.
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
> >>
> >
> > Really? Let's see now:
> >
> > 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
> > into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
> >
> > 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
> > Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
> > Earth
> >
> > 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
> > significant damage.
> >
> > The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
> > third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.
>
> Are you a rocket scientist ? Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are for
> NASA.
>

I was tempted when this was published to post a hostile review when this
book was published. Newtonian Physics was violated right and left (at
the velocities in question, Relativity isn't significantly different).

1) Rocks could only leave the asteroid when the asteroid's rotation was
stopped if their relative velocity was greater than the escape velocity
for the asteroid. If it was, they would had been flung off the asteroid
already.

2) Aside from the minor detail that the course changes of the asteroid
should had, by design, avoided a possible collision with Earth, no
matter when the process would abort; the potential region that the
asteroid would end up if the course changes were prematurely aborted is
very large, Earth is very small.

3) Any rocks (which wouldn't had been ejected anyway) that had been
ejected, would end up in a large region around where the asteroid would
had been if the course changes hadn't take place. Again very large
region (which might not include Earth anyway), small Earth.

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Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> writes:
>In article <tviksm$1b61k$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> > In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
>> > Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>> >>>
>> >>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-b
>> >>> el
>> >>> t/
>> >>
>> >> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
>> >> Les Johnson.
>> >> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
>> >>
>> >
>> > Really? Let's see now:
>> >
>> > 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
>> > into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
>> >
>> > 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
>> > Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
>> > Earth
>> >
>> > 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
>> > significant damage.
>> >
>> > The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
>> > third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.
>>
>> Are you a rocket scientist ? Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are for
>> NASA.
>>
>
>I was tempted when this was published to post a hostile review when this
>book was published. Newtonian Physics was violated right and left (at
>the velocities in question, Relativity isn't significantly different).
>
>1) Rocks could only leave the asteroid when the asteroid's rotation was
>stopped if their relative velocity was greater than the escape velocity
>for the asteroid. If it was, they would had been flung off the asteroid
>already.

Then there is also the difficulty of stopping the rotation in
the first place. It's not going to be instantaneous, so I
suspect that all the "loose rocks" would simply slow down with
the asteroid.

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Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <tviksm$1b61k$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> > > In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5...@dont-email.me>,
> > > Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> > >>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
> > >>>
> > >>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
> > >>
> > >> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
> > >> Les Johnson.
> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
> > >>
> > >
> > > Really? Let's see now:
> > >
> > > 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
> > > into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
> > >
> > > 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
> > > Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
> > > Earth
> > >
> > > 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
> > > significant damage.
> > >
> > > The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
> > > third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.
> >
> > Are you a rocket scientist ? Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are for
> > NASA.
> >
> I was tempted when this was published to post a hostile review when this
> book was published. Newtonian Physics was violated right and left (at
> the velocities in question, Relativity isn't significantly different).
>
> 1) Rocks could only leave the asteroid when the asteroid's rotation was
> stopped if their relative velocity was greater than the escape velocity
> for the asteroid. If it was, they would had been flung off the asteroid
> already.

I wonder what experience led them astray, common sense being the layer of prejudice laid down before the age of twelve.
Possibly a record turntable (kids! ask your older brother who's into vinyl!) with objects sitting on it held on by friction, or a wheel with water... held on by surface tension? A sudden stop overcomes the forces holding the items in place. I wonder how suddenly we could stop an asteroid's rotation. Plus the direction the loose rocks would take is tangent to the rotation -- rolling. Running into slightly less loose rocks and the solid part of the asteroid we are moving. In any event, if we impart on the loose rocks enough delta-v to get them to Earth, have we essentially used enough delta-v to move the asteroid to Earth in stopping its rotation? If we want to save fuel, we could just run our thrusters when the asteroid is pointing in approximately the right direction.

--
-Jack

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 15:56 UTC

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:08:54 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>In article <3fso1i1evgmi3qc9o662sahqtog6sqf0m3@4ax.com>,
>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09?AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>>
>>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-belt/
>>>
>>>I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain
>>why so many
>>>recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets
>>these days.
>>>
>>>It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie
>>theatres, where
>>>the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>>>
>>>I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.
>>
>>Personally, I find the ... more plebeian ... sound systems make the
>>dialog easier to hear. Provided, of course, that the people mixing the
>>soundtrack actually /want/ it to be heard.
>>
>>A recent article on the decline of movie theaters noted that they are
>>on a downward cycle: fewer people came back than hoped for after the
>>pandemic, and fewer still are returning. This, of course, affects
>>revenue, which reduces staff, which (in some cases) results in nobody
>>actually ensuring the film is playing properly, which reduces the
>>number of customers, and so on.
>>
>>But another cause (according to the article) is the tendency of some
>>directors to make their films so dark nobody can see what is going on.
>>This is /not/ a matter of individual device settings; it is /not/ a
>>matter of theater settings; it is a failure on the part of filmmakers
>>to perform properly. And I suspect that, in the long run, they will
>>suffer (economically) for it.
>>
>>IIRC, a while back DC cancelled pending films and replaced the people
>>who were creating their DCU movies with new people. So the "economic
>>suffering" referred to above may already be hitting some people.
>>Perhaps DC came to realize that producing movies that get great
>>reviews but that nobody enjoys watching because they just aren't
>>enjoyable was a bad idea, and are trying for something somewhat more
>>pleasing to actual audiences.
>
>Note that my complaint was about the TV show the Expanse. Films
>may have issues too but it wouldn't explain why TV shows are so
>dark.

I don't watch a lot of TV (Black Mirror cured me of watching them when
I couldn't sleep, which, since I was watching them to get back to
sleep, is not entirely bad), but my guess would be any or all of these
reasons:

1. It's stylish.
2. It saves money.
3. They hate their audience.

>(Wasn't there a late episode of Game of Thrones where many viewers
>complained their screens were entirely black?)

Well, that saved all the money that might otherwise have had to be
spent on actors, sets, props, CGI, etc, etc.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

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 by: Paul S Person - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 16:00 UTC

On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:14:00 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 8:07:09?AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> >>https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid->>belt/=20
>>>
>>>I was watching recently a YouTube video which tried to explain why so >>many
>>>recent movies are hard to watch or hard to hear on home TV sets these >>days.
>>>
>>>It has to do with them being filmed for the experience in movie >>theatres, where
>>>the room is dark, and the sound system is THX-certified...
>>>
>>>I don't know if I can call that a good excuse.
>>
>>Personally, I find the ... more plebeian ... sound systems make the
>>dialog easier to hear. Provided, of course, that the people mixing the
>>soundtrack actually /want/ it to be heard.
>>
>>A recent article on the decline of movie theaters noted that they are
>>on a downward cycle: fewer people came back than hoped for after the
>>pandemic, and fewer still are returning. This, of course, affects
>>revenue, which reduces staff, which (in some cases) results in nobody
>>actually ensuring the film is playing properly, which reduces the
>>number of customers, and so on.
>
>I've seen three so far this year, the most recent being the
>latest antman movie (I've not seen any of the prior marvel
>films). There were never more than six people in the
>49 seat theater. Nice reclining seats, sound and picture
>were good.
>
>The antman movie was popcorn SF (and SFX) entertainment, an acceptable use
>of two hours or so (lots and lots of credits at the end), preceeded by
>a nice dinner (salmon) at a local grill.

I would probably have purchased the first antman film -- if they
hadn't dragged the Marvel Avengers into it.

No other recent Marvel film related in any way to the Marvel Avengers
has even come close to meeting that criterion.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
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On 2023-03-23, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

> (Wasn't there a late episode of Game of Thrones where many viewers
> complained their screens were entirely black?)

When I watched _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_, the TV show, many cemetery
scenes were black on black. That changed greatly once I switched
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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 23:38 UTC

On 3/24/2023 12:11 AM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <tviksm$1b61k$1@dont-email.me>,
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2023 11:50 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>>> In article <tvfk04$oaa5$5@dont-email.me>,
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/22/2023 9:07 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>>> Five Vintage SF Stories From the Asteroid Belt
>>>>>
>>>>> Five old time SF stories suitable for fans of the Expanse.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tor.com/2023/03/22/five-vintage-sf-stories-from-the-asteroid-b
>>>>> el
>>>>> t/
>>>>
>>>> A good new asteroid book is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis Taylor and
>>>> Les Johnson.
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Really? Let's see now:
>>>
>>> 1) the spin of an asteroid is stopped and it ejects lots of loose rocks
>>> into space. Then the drive to move the asteroid elsewhere is activated.
>>>
>>> 2) at some point, the drive that was maneuvering this asteroid into
>>> Earth orbit stops working, with the asteroid on a collision course with
>>> Earth
>>>
>>> 3) the loose rocks (from step 1), arrive at Earth first, causing
>>> significant damage.
>>>
>>> The first is ridiculous. The second is merely highly improbable. The
>>> third aspires to a level of beyond ridiculous.
>>
>> Are you a rocket scientist ? Both Les Johnson and Travis Taylor are for
>> NASA.
>>
>
> I was tempted when this was published to post a hostile review when this
> book was published. Newtonian Physics was violated right and left (at
> the velocities in question, Relativity isn't significantly different).
>
> 1) Rocks could only leave the asteroid when the asteroid's rotation was
> stopped if their relative velocity was greater than the escape velocity
> for the asteroid. If it was, they would had been flung off the asteroid
> already.
>
> 2) Aside from the minor detail that the course changes of the asteroid
> should had, by design, avoided a possible collision with Earth, no
> matter when the process would abort; the potential region that the
> asteroid would end up if the course changes were prematurely aborted is
> very large, Earth is very small.
>
> 3) Any rocks (which wouldn't had been ejected anyway) that had been
> ejected, would end up in a large region around where the asteroid would
> had been if the course changes hadn't take place. Again very large
> region (which might not include Earth anyway), small Earth.

So, you are saying that if the asteroid rotation is stopped using a
rocket engine, that the rocks flying along with the asteroid will
continue flying with the asteroid ? Um, not going to agree to that as
the rocket engine will change the asteroid absolute velocity in some
way. The rocks will continue with their original velocity as they will
not be affected by the rocket engine.

Yes, space is large, Earth is small. And bad things happen with the
best of good intentions. And, this is an adventure book. Most scifi
authors write with the maxim, "what is the worst thing that I can do to
my actors ?". After all, the Earth is struck daily by meteorites, most
of them are small and inconsequential. And then there is Chicxulub.
https://www.planetary.org/notable-asteroid-impacts-in-earths-history

Lynn

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