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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 14:17 UTC

The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
time (yes, there are better things to rage at).

The author of this article clearly feels the same:

---

https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473

"Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"

"Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't
hit us, and armadillos might even be more dangerous."

---

He goes on to include two photos of armadillos, and references
two other meteors which journalists described as "the
Corgi-sized meteor that weighed as much as four baby elephants",
and "asteroid 2023 CX1, twice the size of a super bowl trophy,
which impacted near Normandy, France".

pt

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pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',

If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."

--
-Jack

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On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:17:09 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> 'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
> time (yes, there are better things to rage at).
>
> The author of this article clearly feels the same:
>
> ---
>
> https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473
>
> "Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"
>
> "Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
> nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't
> hit us, and armadillos might even be more dangerous."

I think if you tried to line them up, they would curl up in a ball which would alter the measurements somewhat. However "How many armadillos would you need to line up end to end to equal the length of the average asteroid" is the kind of question I will be asking in Fermi Questions, an event in the Science Olympiad in which students have to give order of magnitude answers.

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 by: Dorothy J Heydt - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:51 UTC

In article <74011617-b4bc-4c7d-816a-10993edfdb35n@googlegroups.com>,
Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
>pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>
>If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
>metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."

(Hal Heydt)
It all brings to mind the irritation of badly done measurement
conversions. Two specific ones come to mind...

A good many years ago, some US VIP visited South Korea. The
newspaper account stated that the pres was kept back "at least 331
feet" from the arriving plane. It is clear what the original
dispatch said and that some idiot at the newspaper got out a
calculator and looked up the conversion factor. If the article
had used "100 yards" it would have been much better.

The other was a small swimming pool in a large hotel atrium.
Along the edges of the pool were the usual depth marking for each
change of 6 inches. Right next to those labels were ones giving
the depth in centimeters...to two decimal places. Again, using a
calculator for precision leading to gross inaccuracy. Please tell
me how someone is going to measure the depth of a swimming pool
to the nearest 0.1mm...

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 by: Titus G - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:57 UTC

On 28/03/23 07:51, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <74011617-b4bc-4c7d-816a-10993edfdb35n@googlegroups.com>,
> Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>>
>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
>> metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> It all brings to mind the irritation of badly done measurement
> conversions. Two specific ones come to mind...
>
> A good many years ago, some US VIP visited South Korea. The
> newspaper account stated that the pres was kept back "at least 331
> feet" from the arriving plane. It is clear what the original
> dispatch said and that some idiot at the newspaper got out a
> calculator and looked up the conversion factor. If the article
> had used "100 yards" it would have been much better.
>
> The other was a small swimming pool in a large hotel atrium.
> Along the edges of the pool were the usual depth marking for each
> change of 6 inches. Right next to those labels were ones giving
> the depth in centimeters...to two decimal places. Again, using a
> calculator for precision leading to gross inaccuracy. Please tell
> me how someone is going to measure the depth of a swimming pool
> to the nearest 0.1mm...

To ensure measurement to the nearest 0.1mm, the water should first be
frozen. Inaccuracy may result if swimmers are not first removed.

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:42 UTC

On 3/27/2023 11:51 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <74011617-b4bc-4c7d-816a-10993edfdb35n@googlegroups.com>,
> Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>>
>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
>> metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>
> (Hal Heydt)
> It all brings to mind the irritation of badly done measurement
> conversions. Two specific ones come to mind...
>
> A good many years ago, some US VIP visited South Korea. The
> newspaper account stated that the pres was kept back "at least 331
> feet" from the arriving plane. It is clear what the original
> dispatch said and that some idiot at the newspaper got out a
> calculator and looked up the conversion factor. If the article
> had used "100 yards" it would have been much better.
>
> The other was a small swimming pool in a large hotel atrium.
> Along the edges of the pool were the usual depth marking for each
> change of 6 inches. Right next to those labels were ones giving
> the depth in centimeters...to two decimal places. Again, using a
> calculator for precision leading to gross inaccuracy. Please tell
> me how someone is going to measure the depth of a swimming pool
> to the nearest 0.1mm...

Many years ago I worked for a small consulting company that interpreted
seismic data for oil & gas exploration. This basically involved
creating an initial "seismic" event on the surface (either explosives or
18-wheeler trailers with huge metal "thumper" plates) and recording the
resulting reflected waves with seismometers.

Any honest geophysicist would describe it as cutting down a tree with a
chain saw and then measuring the cut with a micrometer.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:43 UTC

On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>
> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>
Not all countries that use the metric are sportsball-of-that-sort-centric.

How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?

And if it's Rugby, is it League or Union, and does it really matter??? :-)

And aren't Canadian Gridiron fields a different size to those in the
USA?????

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:45 UTC

On 28/03/2023 05:42, artyw2@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:17:09 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>> 'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
>> time (yes, there are better things to rage at).
>>
>> The author of this article clearly feels the same:
>>
>> ---
>>
>> https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473
>>
>> "Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"
>>
>> "Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
>> nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't
>> hit us, and armadillos might even be more dangerous."
>
> I think if you tried to line them up, they would curl up in a ball which would alter the measurements somewhat. However "How many armadillos would you need to line up end to end to equal the length of the average asteroid" is the kind of question I will be asking in Fermi Questions, an event in the Science Olympiad in which students have to give order of magnitude answers.

That reminds me, "If all the dolly-birds in Chelsea were laid
end-to-end, nobody would be in the least bit surprised".

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:17:07 -0700, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> 'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
> time (yes, there are better things to rage at).
>
> The author of this article clearly feels the same:
>
> ---
>
> https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473
>
> "Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"
>
> "Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
> nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't hit us,
> and armadillos might even be more dangerous."
>
> ---
>
> He goes on to include two photos of armadillos, and references two
> other meteors which journalists described as "the Corgi-sized meteor
> that weighed as much as four baby elephants",
> and "asteroid 2023 CX1, twice the size of a super bowl trophy,
> which impacted near Normandy, France".
>
> pt

At least the Jerusalem Post articles included enough information to
reveal that it was the source of the absurd comparisons, not
NASA. The infamous Chinese balloon a while back was something else.
There it was the government that was the source of the simile
"as big as three buses." But no reporter ever asked "huh?" and
so no actual dimensions were ever given, as far as I could
determine from reading multiple sources.

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 by: Hamish Laws - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 11:09 UTC

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+11, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
> > pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> >> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> >
> > If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
> >
> Not all countries that use the metric are sportsball-of-that-sort-centric..
>
> How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?

You think we limit ourselves to 1 size of oval for AFL?

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 12:18 UTC

On 28/03/2023 22:09, Hamish Laws wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+11, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
>>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>>>
>>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>>>
>> Not all countries that use the metric are sportsball-of-that-sort-centric.
>>
>> How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?
>
> You think we limit ourselves to 1 size of oval for AFL?

I know we don't, I was waiting for that...

Cheers,
Gary B-) (In deepest, darkest Mentone, Victoria, Australia. :-) )

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:50 UTC

On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:01:53 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <74011617-b4bc-4c7d...@googlegroups.com>,
> Jack Bohn <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> >> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> >
> >If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
> >metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
> (Hal Heydt)
> It all brings to mind the irritation of badly done measurement
> conversions. Two specific ones come to mind...
>
> A good many years ago, some US VIP visited South Korea. The
> newspaper account stated that the pres was kept back "at least 331
> feet" from the arriving plane. It is clear what the original
> dispatch said and that some idiot at the newspaper got out a
> calculator and looked up the conversion factor. If the article
> had used "100 yards" it would have been much better.
>
> The other was a small swimming pool in a large hotel atrium.
> Along the edges of the pool were the usual depth marking for each
> change of 6 inches. Right next to those labels were ones giving
> the depth in centimeters...to two decimal places. Again, using a
> calculator for precision leading to gross inaccuracy. Please tell
> me how someone is going to measure the depth of a swimming pool
> to the nearest 0.1mm...

The article took that into account, and specified extended, stretched out
armadillos, including the tail.

pt

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On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:01:53 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <74011617-b4bc-4c7d...@googlegroups.com>,
> Jack Bohn <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> >> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> >
> >If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
> >metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
> (Hal Heydt)
> It all brings to mind the irritation of badly done measurement
> conversions. Two specific ones come to mind...
>
> A good many years ago, some US VIP visited South Korea. The
> newspaper account stated that the pres was kept back "at least 331
> feet" from the arriving plane. It is clear what the original
> dispatch said and that some idiot at the newspaper got out a
> calculator and looked up the conversion factor. If the article
> had used "100 yards" it would have been much better.
>
> The other was a small swimming pool in a large hotel atrium.
> Along the edges of the pool were the usual depth marking for each
> change of 6 inches. Right next to those labels were ones giving
> the depth in centimeters...to two decimal places. Again, using a
> calculator for precision leading to gross inaccuracy. Please tell
> me how someone is going to measure the depth of a swimming pool
> to the nearest 0.1mm...

In one of the Riverworld books, PJF or and editor at some point decided
to convert measurements to metric, so the mountains at the edge of the
valley were described as 'about 9144 meters high'.

pt

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:59 UTC

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:49:09 AM UTC-4, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 05:42, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:17:09 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> >> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> >> 'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
> >> time (yes, there are better things to rage at).
> >>
> >> The author of this article clearly feels the same:
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473
> >>
> >> "Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"
> >>
> >> "Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
> >> nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't
> >> hit us, and armadillos might even be more dangerous."
> >
> > I think if you tried to line them up, they would curl up in a ball which would alter the measurements somewhat. However "How many armadillos would you need to line up end to end to equal the length of the average asteroid" is the kind of question I will be asking in Fermi Questions, an event in the Science Olympiad in which students have to give order of magnitude answers.
> That reminds me, "If all the dolly-birds in Chelsea were laid
> end-to-end, nobody would be in the least bit surprised".

Perhaps the original is Dorothy Parker's "“If all the girls attending
[the Yale prom] were laid end to end, I wouldn't be at all surprised.”

pt

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 16:15 UTC

On 3/28/2023 5:18 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 22:09, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+11, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
>>>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a
>>>>> MiniCooper',
>>>>
>>>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
>>>> metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>>>>
>>> Not all countries that use the metric are
>>> sportsball-of-that-sort-centric.
>>>
>>> How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?
>>
>> You think we limit ourselves to 1 size of oval for AFL?
>
> I know we don't, I was waiting for that...
>
Don't you size them by kangaroo hops? So if you want a bigger oval you
scare the 'roo more?

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 05:38 UTC

On 29/03/2023 03:15, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 3/28/2023 5:18 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 28/03/2023 22:09, Hamish Laws wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+11, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>>> On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
>>>>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>>>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a
>>>>>> MiniCooper',
>>>>>
>>>>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
>>>>> metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>>>>>
>>>> Not all countries that use the metric are
>>>> sportsball-of-that-sort-centric.
>>>>
>>>> How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?
>>>
>>> You think we limit ourselves to 1 size of oval for AFL?
>>
>> I know we don't, I was waiting for that...
>>
> Don't you size them by kangaroo hops?  So if you want a bigger oval you
> scare the 'roo more?
>
You don't ever, ever scare a 'roo.

The mongrel bastard's as likely to come for you as not!

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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 by: David Duffy - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 05:40 UTC

pete...@gmail.com <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
> 'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
> time (yes, there are better things to rage at).
>
> The author of this article clearly feels the same:
>
> ---
>
> https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473
>
> "Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"
>
> "Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
> nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't
> hit us, and armadillos might even be more dangerous."
>
> ---
>
> He goes on to include two photos of armadillos, and references
> two other meteors which journalists described as "the
> Corgi-sized meteor that weighed as much as four baby elephants",
> and "asteroid 2023 CX1, twice the size of a super bowl trophy,
> which impacted near Normandy, France".
>
> pt

No-one has mentioned Olympic swimming pools (2,500 m^3) or,
around here, "sydharb, also called a Sydney Harbour,
approximately 500 gigalitres".

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 by: Gary R. Schmidt - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 05:50 UTC

On 29/03/2023 01:59, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:49:09 AM UTC-4, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>> On 28/03/2023 05:42, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 10:17:09 AM UTC-4, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a MiniCooper',
>>>> 'the size of a four year old' has been a minor irritant to me for a long
>>>> time (yes, there are better things to rage at).
>>>>
>>>> The author of this article clearly feels the same:
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> https://www.jpost.com/science/article-735473
>>>>
>>>> "Asteroid the size of 33 armadillos to pass Earth Sunday - NASA"
>>>>
>>>> "Asteroid 2023 FL2 is 35 meters, which is as much as almost 33
>>>> nine-banded armadillos lined up tail-to-snout. However, it won't
>>>> hit us, and armadillos might even be more dangerous."
>>>
>>> I think if you tried to line them up, they would curl up in a ball which would alter the measurements somewhat. However "How many armadillos would you need to line up end to end to equal the length of the average asteroid" is the kind of question I will be asking in Fermi Questions, an event in the Science Olympiad in which students have to give order of magnitude answers.
>> That reminds me, "If all the dolly-birds in Chelsea were laid
>> end-to-end, nobody would be in the least bit surprised".
>
> Perhaps the original is Dorothy Parker's "“If all the girls attending
> [the Yale prom] were laid end to end, I wouldn't be at all surprised.”
>
I suspect the original may have been something about "Insula Ponte"[1]
or somewhere. :-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)

1 - Pulled Ponte out of thin air, I think it's a region of current Rome,
so I am presuming it was a valid insulae. :-)

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 by: Titus G - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:03 UTC

On 29/03/23 01:18, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 28/03/2023 22:09, Hamish Laws wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+11, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>>> On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
>>>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
>>>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a
>>>>> MiniCooper',
>>>>
>>>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
>>>> metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
>>>>
>>> Not all countries that use the metric are
>>> sportsball-of-that-sort-centric.
>>>
>>> How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?
>>
>> You think we limit ourselves to 1 size of oval for AFL?
>
> I know we don't, I was waiting for that...
>
>     Cheers,
>         Gary    B-)    (In deepest, darkest Mentone, Victoria,
> Australia.  :-) )

A few years ago, Aussie Rules was broadcast on NZ TV for only a season
or two and I enjoyed it. I hadn't considered the possibility that fields
would have different sizes. My second biggest gripe with many popular
sports is that professionalism and time have increased player fitness
and ability to the extent that the game itself is ruined because the
playing areas are now too small. Basketball courts are now far too small
and it was never intended for the ball to be thrown or placed downwards
through the net. Rugby Union was far more entertaining when sixteen fat
forwards were grouped in one spot and had to waddle about to follow play
whilst the slimmer athletic backs threw the ball about and tried to
outrun or sidestep each other with plenty of room to do so. Is this a
factor in Aussie Rules yet?

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 by: pete...@gmail.com - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:30 UTC

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:03:53 AM UTC-4, Titus G wrote:
> On 29/03/23 01:18, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> > On 28/03/2023 22:09, Hamish Laws wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:44:09 PM UTC+11, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> >>> On 28/03/2023 04:05, Jack Bohn wrote:
> >>>> pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> The growing tendency of journalists to relate the size of things in
> >>>>> comparisons: 'as long as 4 football fields', 'as large as a
> >>>>> MiniCooper',
> >>>>
> >>>> If I ever say "as long as 4 football fields," I follow it with "(in
> >>>> metric, 3.4 soccer pitches)."
> >>>>
> >>> Not all countries that use the metric are
> >>> sportsball-of-that-sort-centric.
> >>>
> >>> How many Aussie Rules ovals is it? Lengthwise or crosswise?
> >>
> >> You think we limit ourselves to 1 size of oval for AFL?
> >
> > I know we don't, I was waiting for that...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gary B-) (In deepest, darkest Mentone, Victoria,
> > Australia. :-) )
> A few years ago, Aussie Rules was broadcast on NZ TV for only a season
> or two and I enjoyed it. I hadn't considered the possibility that fields
> would have different sizes. My second biggest gripe with many popular
> sports is that professionalism and time have increased player fitness
> and ability to the extent that the game itself is ruined because the
> playing areas are now too small. Basketball courts are now far too small
> and it was never intended for the ball to be thrown or placed downwards
> through the net. Rugby Union was far more entertaining when sixteen fat
> forwards were grouped in one spot and had to waddle about to follow play
> whilst the slimmer athletic backs threw the ball about and tried to
> outrun or sidestep each other with plenty of room to do so. Is this a
> factor in Aussie Rules yet?

I've pondered if basketball could be improved by either raising the net to 15
feet (and making it slightly wider), or lowering it to 8 feet.

Either would greatly increase the pool of people who could compete in the top
echelon, since being freakishly tall would no longer be such an advantage.

pt

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 by: Titus G - Wed, 29 Mar 2023 22:33 UTC

On 30/03/23 02:30, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
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> I've pondered if basketball could be improved by either raising the net to 15
> feet (and making it slightly wider), or lowering it to 8 feet.

Most definitely it should be raised but to what height I have no idea
and I see no need to make it wider.

> Either would greatly increase the pool of people who could compete in the top
> echelon, since being freakishly tall would no longer be such an advantage.

The freakishly tall don't usually have the athleticism to perform
elsewhere on the court and many six footers can easily dunk the ball
nowadays.

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 by: artyw2@yahoo.com - Thu, 30 Mar 2023 01:16 UTC

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 1:40:47 AM UTC-4, David Duffy wrote:

> No-one has mentioned Olympic swimming pools (2,500 m^3) or,

My science olympiad competitors had to figure out how many calories an olympic swimming pool full of Coke would have.
It is about a billion.

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 by: Bice - Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:53 UTC

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 22:03:45 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>My second biggest gripe with many popular
>sports is that professionalism and time have increased player fitness
>and ability to the extent that the game itself is ruined because the
>playing areas are now too small.

That's a common complaint about the NHL. A lot of fans think they
should switch to Olympic sized rinks because modern players are
faster. Having more ice area available might also lead to more
offense because it would be harder for defenses to shut down the other
team by clogging up the neutral zone.

The switch will never happen though because teams would have to remove
the first couple rows of seats and lose the corresponding ticket
income.

-- Bob

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:13 UTC

In article <6425bcb4.525400109@localhost>,
Bice <eichlertwothedigitnotspelled@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 22:03:45 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>My second biggest gripe with many popular
>>sports is that professionalism and time have increased player fitness
>>and ability to the extent that the game itself is ruined because the
>>playing areas are now too small.
>
>That's a common complaint about the NHL. A lot of fans think they
>should switch to Olympic sized rinks because modern players are
>faster. Having more ice area available might also lead to more
>offense because it would be harder for defenses to shut down the other
>team by clogging up the neutral zone.
>
>The switch will never happen though because teams would have to remove
>the first couple rows of seats and lose the corresponding ticket
>income.
>
> -- Bob
>

NHL games are consistently sold-out? (Honest question -- I have no
idea, though as a Southerner, Hockey is kind of an imaginary sport).
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

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 by: Alan - Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:31 UTC

On 2023-03-30 09:53, Bice wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 22:03:45 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> My second biggest gripe with many popular
>> sports is that professionalism and time have increased player fitness
>> and ability to the extent that the game itself is ruined because the
>> playing areas are now too small.
>
> That's a common complaint about the NHL. A lot of fans think they
> should switch to Olympic sized rinks because modern players are
> faster. Having more ice area available might also lead to more
> offense because it would be harder for defenses to shut down the other
> team by clogging up the neutral zone.
>
> The switch will never happen though because teams would have to remove
> the first couple rows of seats and lose the corresponding ticket
> income.

You need to think that last statement through...

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