....it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!

But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him to switch loyalties
....is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?

Oh, wait. Now I remember the dangerous trap to which I must venture to
find the answers to this type of question.

John Savard

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 18:01:28 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>...it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!
>
>But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
>enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him to switch loyalties
>...is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?

Well, from a view about 10,000 miles above the story, sure.

>Oh, wait. Now I remember the dangerous trap to which I must venture to
>find the answers to this type of question.
>
>John Savard
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On 4/26/23 18:01, Quadibloc wrote:
> ...it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!
>
> But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
> enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him to switch loyalties
> ...is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?
>
> Oh, wait. Now I remember the dangerous trap to which I must venture to
> find the answers to this type of question.
>
> John Savard

Well, Logan's Run spun off a movie that has a young Jenny Agutter in it
and a young Farrah Fawcett. The Fahrenheit 451 movies didn't have that!
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)

On 4/27/2023 9:53 AM, BCFD36 wrote:
> On 4/26/23 18:01, Quadibloc wrote:
>> ...it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!
>>
>> But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
>> enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him
>> to switch loyalties
>> ...is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?
>>
>> Oh, wait. Now I remember the dangerous trap to which I must venture to
>> find the answers to this type of question.
>>
>> John Savard
>
> Well, Logan's Run spun off a movie that has a young Jenny Agutter in it
> and a young Farrah Fawcett. The Fahrenheit 451 movies didn't have that!

And a TV series.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On Thursday, 27 April 2023 at 02:01:32 UTC+1, Quadibloc wrote:
> ...it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!
>
> But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
> enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him to switch loyalties
> ...is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?
>
> Oh, wait. Now I remember the dangerous trap to which I must venture to
> find the answers to this type of question.
>
> John Savard

I wondered about the bible. St Paul switches sides,
but a woman isn't involved. I think Samson has more
than one girlfriend on the opposition side, but that
isn't what you're going for. All that he changes is his
hair style.

A novel by Isaac Asimov is dated later. However,
it does involve time travel.

Quadibloc wrote:
> ...it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!
>
> But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
> enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him to switch loyalties
> ...is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?

A Thousand Nights and a Night?
Of course, he wasn't and enforcer, he was the dictatorship.

Hmm... a movie adaptation of that might just focus on stories designed to soften his stance.
Some joker might take the stories-within-stories part and leave the audience still one level further in at the end of the movie...

--
-Jack

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT), Jack Bohn
<jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

>Quadibloc wrote:
>> ...it lifted its plot directly from Fahrenheit 451!
>>
>> But Ray Bradbury never complained. Perhaps this simple plot:
>> enforcer for a dictatorship falls in love with a woman, who causes him to switch loyalties
>> ...is an old plot, which appeared elsewhere prior to 1953 (or 1951)?
>
>A Thousand Nights and a Night?
>Of course, he wasn't and enforcer, he was the dictatorship.
>
>Hmm... a movie adaptation of that might just focus on stories designed to soften his stance.
>Some joker might take the stories-within-stories part and leave the audience still one level further in at the end of the movie...

There is a two-part adaptation that does something like that, although
it doesn't so much soften his stance as provide Important Life
Lessons, all of which he used in the final act in suppressing a
rebellion.

In a sense, the various Sinbad movies do exactly that: take the
stories of the voyages out of the larger story of the two Sinbads.

Well, to the extent that they actually follow any of the stories. In
many cases its just the character and maybe a few of the fabulous
creatures that are used.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."