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by: James Nicoll - Wed, 14 Jun 2023 15:15 UTC

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by: Tony Nance - Thu, 15 Jun 2023 01:38 UTC

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 11:15:42 AM UTC-4, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their Own Worst Enemies
>
> Who needs external threats when one has oneself?
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/06/14/five-works-about-intelligent-beings-who-are-their-own-worst-enemies/
>

I'm thinkin' ice-nine/Cat's Cradle fits pretty well here.
- Tony

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by: Quadibloc - Sat, 17 Jun 2023 17:44 UTC

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:15:42 AM UTC-6, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their Own Worst Enemies
>
> Who needs external threats when one has oneself?
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/06/14/five-works-about-intelligent-beings-who-are-their-own-worst-enemies/

I remember having a recording of the music from 2001 - not the original soundtrack - which had
the music for the opera based on Aniara on the other side.

John Savard

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by: Johnny1A - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:05 UTC

On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:15:42 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their Own Worst Enemies
>
> Who needs external threats when one has oneself?
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/06/14/five-works-about-intelligent-beings-who-are-their-own-worst-enemies/
> --
> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

I remember reading _Adam and No Eve_ as a youngish teenager, and being haunted by it. I can still remember some of the scenes from it now clearly, decades later, esp. the scene where the 'hero' (who is a reckless negligent idiot of the first order) looking back at what is left of Earth and realizing what happened...and the later scene where he realizes he has to kill the dog he saved earlier in the story, or the dog is going to kill him. The utter death of all hope, even the tiniest glimmer.

And of course the ending scene, which makes zero logical sense, and is neverthless haunting.

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by: Johnny1A - Sun, 18 Jun 2023 17:07 UTC

I think you have an internal link leading to the wrong place. The 'five power sources' link took me to 'six means of transportation'.

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by: James Nicoll - Mon, 19 Jun 2023 02:19 UTC

In article <ce5ce244-45ad-430d-aa93-adddfd61fd07n@googlegroups.com>,
Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 10:15:42 AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their Own Worst Enemies
>>
>> Who needs external threats when one has oneself?
>>
>>
>https://www.tor.com/2023/06/14/five-works-about-intelligent-beings-who-are-their-own-worst-enemies/
>> --
>> My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
>> My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
>> My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
>> My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
>
>I think you have an internal link leading to the wrong place. The
>'five power sources' link took me to 'six means of transportation'.

One of the transportation methods has a power source that can turn whole
worlds into energy.
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
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My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

My mother is a fish. -- William Faulkner

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Subject	Author
(tor dot com) Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their Own Worst Enemie	James Nicoll
Re: (tor dot com) Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their	Tony Nance
Re: (tor dot com) Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their	Quadibloc
Re: (tor dot com) Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their	Johnny1A
Re: (tor dot com) Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their	Johnny1A
Re: (tor dot com) Five Works About Intelligent Beings Who Are Their	James Nicoll