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* (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel James Nicoll
+* Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five StoriesChristian Weisgerber
|`- Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five StoriesJames Nicoll
+- Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five StoriesLynn McGuire
+* Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five StoriesQuadibloc
|`* Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space TraDon
| +- Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space TraJames Nicoll
| `* Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space TraScott Dorsey
|  `- Re: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space TraDon
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Subject: (Tor Dot Com) Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using Constant Acceleration
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 by: James Nicoll - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32 UTC

Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
Constant Acceleration

No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.

https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
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 by: Christian Weisgerber - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 21:25 UTC

On 2023-11-17, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

> Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
> Constant Acceleration

The prototypical story that takes this to the extreme is, of course,
Poul Anderson's _Tau Zero_ (1970).

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 by: Lynn McGuire - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 21:29 UTC

On 11/17/2023 10:32 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
> Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
> Constant Acceleration
>
> No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
> Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
>
> https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

They may be impractical using today's technology but they sure are fun.
Two of the five books are in my Six Star list, "Red Lightning" and "We
are Legion (We are Bob)".

Doesn't several of Heinlein's books use constant acceleration ? Quite a
few authors use that trick XXXXXX feature. And of course, so does Star
Wars. The Mandalorian is obviously towing a trillion liter tank behind
his old star fighter.

Lynn

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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 17 Nov 2023 22:51 UTC

I am very saddened to learn that Petr Beckmann's opposition to Communist tyranny,
as expressed in "A History of Pi", and his defense of the safety of nuclear power in
"The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear", may now be taken less seriously, because
his detractors can now point to his more recent work "Einstein Plus Two" to discredit
him as a crackpot.

John Savard

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 by: James Nicoll - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 01:56 UTC

In article <slrnulfmhh.23ti.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
>On 2023-11-17, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
>> Constant Acceleration
>
>The prototypical story that takes this to the extreme is, of course,
>Poul Anderson's _Tau Zero_ (1970).

I used it in a piece on Bussard Ramjets....
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 by: Don - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:55 UTC

Quadibloc wrote:
> I am very saddened to learn that Petr Beckmann's opposition to Communist tyranny,
> as expressed in "A History of Pi", and his defense of the safety of nuclear power in
> "The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear", may now be taken less seriously, because
> his detractors can now point to his more recent work "Einstein Plus Two" to discredit
> him as a crackpot.

Thank you. _Einstein Plus Two_ will join _Weimar Culture, Causality, and
Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
(or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern
how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two
slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.

The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
me. YMMV.

Danke,

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 by: Jerry Brown - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 17:43 UTC

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:

>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
>Constant Acceleration
>
>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
>
>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/

I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".

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 by: James Nicoll - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 18:30 UTC

In article <frthli1iq0iksluea7qh8bj4iqs74bln30@jwbrown.co.uk>,
Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
>Nicoll) wrote:
>
>>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
>>Constant Acceleration
>>
>>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
>>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
>>
>>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
>
>I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
>
I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
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 by: James Nicoll - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:19 UTC

>Quadibloc wrote:
>> I am very saddened to learn that Petr Beckmann's opposition to
>Communist tyranny,
>> as expressed in "A History of Pi", and his defense of the safety of
>nuclear power in
>> "The Health Hazards of NOT Going Nuclear", may now be taken less
>seriously, because
>> his detractors can now point to his more recent work "Einstein Plus
>Two" to discredit
>> him as a crackpot.

The easiest way to avoid being remembered as a crackpot is
not to be a crackpot and in particular, not to be an argumentative
crackpot online. I know this is a lesson likely to be lost on Mr
Vatgirl but others might benefit.

I am fairly sure I have Health Hazards somewhere upstairs.
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 by: Ahasuerus - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:43 UTC

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
> >Nicoll) wrote:
> >
> >>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
> >>Constant Acceleration
> >>
> >>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
> >>
> >>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
> >
> >I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
> >
> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.

It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
of "Rammer" (1971).

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 by: James Nicoll - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 20:24 UTC

In article <c20be383-2112-4497-b993-693423f2e1bdn@googlegroups.com>,
Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
>> >Nicoll) wrote:
>> >
>> >>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
>> >>Constant Acceleration
>> >>
>> >>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
>> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
>> >>
>>
>>>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
>> >
>> >I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
>> >
>> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
>
>It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
>World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
>of "Rammer" (1971).

I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
to prove I am not mistaken...

I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.

https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett
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 by: Ahasuerus - Sat, 18 Nov 2023 23:07 UTC

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
> >> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >> >On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
> >> >Nicoll) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
> >> >>Constant Acceleration
> >> >>
> >> >>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
> >> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
> >> >>
> >>
> >>>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
> >> >
> >> >I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
> >> >
> >> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
> >
> >It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
> >World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
> >of "Rammer" (1971).
> I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
> inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
> to prove I am not mistaken...
>
> I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.
>
> https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett

Worse things have been known to happen. Murray Leinster took 4
unrelated novelettes, merged their protagonists into "Bordman"
(originally from "Sand Doom"), tweaked the text and published the
results as _Colonial Survey_ (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37712)

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In article <9908f79a-45b1-4bab-a469-d761c5dbac86n@googlegroups.com>,
Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
>> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
>> >On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>> >> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>> >> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
>> >> >Nicoll) wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
>> >> >>Constant Acceleration
>> >> >>
>> >> >>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
>> >> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
>> >> >
>> >> >I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
>> >> >
>> >> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
>> >
>> >It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
>> >World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
>> >of "Rammer" (1971).
>> I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
>> inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
>> to prove I am not mistaken...
>>
>> I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.
>>
>>
>https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett
>
>Worse things have been known to happen. Murray Leinster took 4
>unrelated novelettes, merged their protagonists into "Bordman"
>(originally from "Sand Doom"), tweaked the text and published the
>results as _Colonial Survey_ (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37712)

"I am A.E. van Vogt, and I declare this Leinster fellow a piker!"
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 by: Michael F. Stemper - Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:59 UTC

On 18/11/2023 14.24, James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <c20be383-2112-4497-b993-693423f2e1bdn@googlegroups.com>,
> Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>>> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>>> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>>>> I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
>>>>
>>> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
>>
>> It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
>> World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
>> of "Rammer" (1971).
>
> I don't know why the name changed but it did.

I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome
Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
"James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this
theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
neurons.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.

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On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 10:52:05 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <9908f79a-45b1-4bab...@googlegroups.com>,
> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:24:37 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >> >On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> >> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
> >> >> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 16:32:12 -0000 (UTC), jdni...@panix.com (James
> >> >> >Nicoll) wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Adventures in Impractical SF: Five Stories Featuring Space Travel Using
> >> >> >>Constant Acceleration
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>No, _you're_ the person compelled to find excuses to reference Bussard
> >> >> >>Ramjets and other dubious examples of stupendous propulsion.
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>>>https://www.tor.com/2023/11/17/adventures-in-impractical-sf-five-stories-featuring-space-travel-using-constant-acceleration/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
> >> >> >
> >> >> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
> >> >
> >> >It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
> >> >World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
> >> >of "Rammer" (1971).
> >> I don't know why the name changed but it did. However, I now see the
> >> inherent error of having snapped a photo of the passage in question
> >> to prove I am not mistaken...
> >>
> >> I checked the relevant issue of Galaxy and it is Corbett there.
> >>
> >>
> >https://archive.org/details/Galaxy_v32n03_1971-11/page/n11/mode/thumb?q=corbett
> >
> >Worse things have been known to happen. Murray Leinster took 4
> >unrelated novelettes, merged their protagonists into "Bordman"
> >(originally from "Sand Doom"), tweaked the text and published the
> >results as _Colonial Survey_ (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?37712)
> "I am A.E. van Vogt, and I declare this Leinster fellow a piker!"

A piker? In that case Fritz Leiber would like to place a bet -- _You're
All Alone_ -- see https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11452

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 by: ted@loft.tnolan.com - Sun, 19 Nov 2023 17:05 UTC

In article <ujdbcf$3s45f$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 18/11/2023 14.24, James Nicoll wrote:
>> In article <c20be383-2112-4497-b993-693423f2e1bdn@googlegroups.com>,
>> Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
>>>> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
>>>> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>> I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
>>>>>
>>>> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there.
>>>
>>> It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
>>> World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
>>> of "Rammer" (1971).
>>
>> I don't know why the name changed but it did.
>
>I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome
>Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
>"James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this
>theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
>neurons.
>

Maybe someone pointed out "Tom Corbett" to him and he decided he didn't
want that association?
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"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:

> I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome
> Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
> "James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this
> theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
> neurons.

Niven is a documented Cabell fan, so I don't think it's a crazy theory.

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 by: Robert Carnegie - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 19:04 UTC

On Sunday, 19 November 2023 at 17:06:04 UTC, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> In article <ujdbcf$3s45f$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Michael F. Stemper <michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 18/11/2023 14.24, James Nicoll wrote:
> >> In article <c20be383-2112-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> Ahasuerus <ahas...@email.com> wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:30:17 PM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
> >>>> In article <frthli1iq0iksluea...@jwbrown.co.uk>,
> >>>> Jerry Brown <je...@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> I believe the protagonist of "Rammer" is "Corbell" not "Corbett".
> >>>>>
> >>>> I checked my 1st Ed MMPB of A Hole in Space and it was Corbett there..
> >>>
> >>> It's "Corbell" in later editions of _A Hole in Space_ and in the novel _A
> >>> World Out of Time _ (1976), which incorporates an updated version
> >>> of "Rammer" (1971).
> >>
> >> I don't know why the name changed but it did.
> >
> >I have a theory with very weak support. I think that Niven changed "Jerome
> >Branch Corbett" to "Jerome Branch Corbell" to make the name closer to
> >"James Branch Cabell". I don't actually remember how I came up with this
> >theory; a cosmic ray might very well have flipped a bit in one of my
> >neurons.
> >
> Maybe someone pointed out "Tom Corbett" to him and he decided he didn't
> want that association?

Or someone named Corbett objected to the portrayal.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel,_Shyster,_and_Flywheel> -
1930s radio comedy with some Marx Brothers, remade
in the 1990s by the BBC - "was originally titled Beagle,
Shyster, and Beagle, with Groucho Marx's bad lawyer
character named Waldorf T. Beagle, until a real lawyer
from New York named Beagle contacted NBC and
threatened to file a lawsuit unless the name was
dropped." Thus, _Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel_.

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In article <20231118b@crcomp.net>, Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
>to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
>gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
>(or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern
>how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two
>slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.
>
>The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
>me. YMMV.

That's all anyone can do, because it's not like anything that you have
physically experienced. It's a thing that doesn't exist in the kitchen
table scale world that we are familiar with. You can't think of it as
a wave, you can't think of it as a particle. You can only rely on the
math that describes it.

I wish there was a nice analogy to something in the kitchen table scale
world, but there's not.
--scott

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 by: David Duffy - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 23:31 UTC

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flywheel,_Shyster,_and_Flywheel> -
> 1930s radio comedy with some Marx Brothers, remade
> in the 1990s by the BBC - "was originally titled Beagle,
> Shyster, and Beagle, with Groucho Marx's bad lawyer
> character named Waldorf T. Beagle, until a real lawyer
> from New York named Beagle contacted NBC and
> threatened to file a lawsuit unless the name was
> dropped." Thus, _Flywheel, Shyster and Flywheel_.

I wonder why _Car Talk_ didn't had a similar problem with
Dewey, Cheetham and Howe.

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 by: Don - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:08 UTC

Scott wrote:
> Don wrote:

<snip>

>>Thank you. _Einstein Plus Two_ will join _Weimar Culture, Causality, and
>>Quantum Theory, 1918-1927: Adaptation by Physicists and Mathematicians
>>to a Hostile Intellectual Environment_ (Forman) and _The speed of
>>gravity - What the experiments say_ (Van Flandern) on my To Be Read
>>(or rather "Listened To" list). My literal list lends a hand to discern
>>how much of the Copenhagen Interpretative dogma built on top of the two
>>slit experiment is magical thinking - a house of cards.
>>
>>The simple admonishment to "shut up and calculate" doesn't cut it for
>>me. YMMV.
>
> That's all anyone can do, because it's not like anything that you have
> physically experienced. It's a thing that doesn't exist in the kitchen
> table scale world that we are familiar with. You can't think of it as
> a wave, you can't think of it as a particle. You can only rely on the
> math that describes it.
>
> I wish there was a nice analogy to something in the kitchen table scale
> world, but there's not.

Did the Interpretative Copenhagen crapshoot's compulsory cancel of
causality catalyze "call-out" and "cancel" culture?"

A kitchen table Platonic form offers an opportune opening to segue into
Borges' "visual geometry" found in "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbius Tertius:"

The basis of visual geometry is the surface, not the point.
This geometry has no idea of parallel lines and holds that
a moving man modifies the forms that surround him.

Danke,

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