Aadaab:
I am trying to list few selected verses to the some of the Urdu poets in the chronological order. In that I need to know the year of death of the poets. Somehow, I haven't been able to find it of the following poets. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
1. Saba Akbarabadi
2. Lala Ram Rakha Barq
3. Zamin Ali Jalal Lakhnavi
4. Kamal Salarpuri
5. Alam Khan Mast Kalkatvi/Kanpuri
6. Lala Mauji Ram Mauji
7. Mohammad Raza Mojiz Lakhnavi
8. Qamran Jan Mushtari
9. Sahib Mirza Shanawar
10. Shoaib Bin Aziz
11. Umrao Jan Zehra
12. Lala Madhuram Jauhar Farrukhabadi
Thanks.
Best wishes.
Khalid

On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 16:55:38 UTC+1, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:
> Aadaab:
> I am trying to list few selected verses to the some of the Urdu poets in the chronological order. In that I need to know the year of death of the poets. Somehow, I haven't been able to find it of the following poets. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> 1. Saba Akbarabadi
> 2. Lala Ram Rakha Barq
> 3. Zamin Ali Jalal Lakhnavi
> 4. Kamal Salarpuri
> 5. Alam Khan Mast Kalkatvi/Kanpuri
> 6. Lala Mauji Ram Mauji
> 7. Mohammad Raza Mojiz Lakhnavi
> 8. Qamran Jan Mushtari
> 9. Sahib Mirza Shanawar
> 10. Shoaib Bin Aziz
> 11. Umrao Jan Zehra
> 12. Lala Madhuram Jauhar Farrukhabadi
> Thanks.
> Best wishes.
> Khalid

Khalid SaaHib, aadaab 3arz hai.

1. 30/10/1990

2. Lala Rakh Ram Barq ?

3. 1906-1907

10. Still alive and kicking! (I believe)

12.1890

Naseer

On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 16:55:38 UTC+1, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:
> Aadaab:
> I am trying to list few selected verses to the some of the Urdu poets in the chronological order. In that I need to know the year of death of the poets. Somehow, I haven't been able to find it of the following poets. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> 1. Saba Akbarabadi
> 2. Lala Ram Rakha Barq
> 3. Zamin Ali Jalal Lakhnavi
> 4. Kamal Salarpuri
> 5. Alam Khan Mast Kalkatvi/Kanpuri
> 6. Lala Mauji Ram Mauji
> 7. Mohammad Raza Mojiz Lakhnavi
> 8. Qamran Jan Mushtari
> 9. Sahib Mirza Shanawar
> 10. Shoaib Bin Aziz
> 11. Umrao Jan Zehra
> 12. Lala Madhuram Jauhar Farrukhabadi
> Thanks.
> Best wishes.
> Khalid

Khalid SaaHib, aadaab 3arz hai.

1. 30/10/1990

2. Lala Rakha Ram Barq ?

3. 1906-1907

10. Still alive and kicking!? (I believe)

12.1890

Naseer

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-4, Naseer wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 May 2021 at 16:55:38 UTC+1, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:
> > Aadaab:
> > I am trying to list few selected verses to the some of the Urdu poets in the chronological order. In that I need to know the year of death of the poets. Somehow, I haven't been able to find it of the following poets. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> > 1. Saba Akbarabadi
> > 2. Lala Ram Rakha Barq
> > 3. Zamin Ali Jalal Lakhnavi
> > 4. Kamal Salarpuri
> > 5. Alam Khan Mast Kalkatvi/Kanpuri
> > 6. Lala Mauji Ram Mauji
> > 7. Mohammad Raza Mojiz Lakhnavi
> > 8. Qamran Jan Mushtari
> > 9. Sahib Mirza Shanawar
> > 10. Shoaib Bin Aziz
> > 11. Umrao Jan Zehra
> > 12. Lala Madhuram Jauhar Farrukhabadi
> > Thanks.
> > Best wishes.
> > Khalid
> Khalid SaaHib, aadaab 3arz hai.
>
> 1. 30/10/1990
>
> 2. Lala Rakha Ram Barq ?
>
> 3. 1906-1907
>
> 10. Still alive and kicking!? (I believe)
>
> 12.1890
>
> Naseer
Aadaab:
Thanks for your response.
Best wishes.
Khalid

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 2:24:18 PM UTC-5, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:

Khalid sahib,

aadaab,

I do not have any answers to your query, but I have a comment and a question.
________________________________________________________________________________________
Comment:

> > 2. Lala Ram Rakha Barq

Just as you wrote in your original post, the name here is indeed 'Ram Rakkha', in the same vein as 'Allah Rakkha'.
________________________________________________________________________________________
Question:

> > 12. Lala Madhuram Jauhar Farrukhabadi

There is one famous she'r associated with Madho Ram Jauhar. I have generally heard the first misra'a in a slightly different version than quoted on some internet sites, in particular Rekhta. Late Azhar sahib used to quote this she'r often, and I remember it like this:

ab i'tr bhi malo to muhabbat ki buu nahiiN
voh din hava hue k pasiina gulaab thaa

The slightly different version is:

ab i'tr bhi malo to takalluf ki buu kahaaN
voh din hava hue k pasiina gulaab thaa

Meter wise, both versions fit perfectly.

Will you please check with your friend Dr Maqbool and ask what is the correct version according to his hard copy sources?

Thank you.

______Zoya

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:37:10 AM UTC-4, Zoya wrote:
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 2:24:18 PM UTC-5, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:
>
> Khalid sahib,
>
> aadaab,
>
> I do not have any answers to your query, but I have a comment and a question.
> ________________________________________________________________________________________
> Comment:
> > > 2. Lala Ram Rakha Barq
> Just as you wrote in your original post, the name here is indeed 'Ram Rakkha', in the same vein as 'Allah Rakkha'.
> ________________________________________________________________________________________
> Question:
> > > 12. Lala Madhuram Jauhar Farrukhabadi
> There is one famous she'r associated with Madho Ram Jauhar. I have generally heard the first misra'a in a slightly different version than quoted on some internet sites, in particular Rekhta. Late Azhar sahib used to quote this she'r often, and I remember it like this:
>
> ab i'tr bhi malo to muhabbat ki buu nahiiN
> voh din hava hue k pasiina gulaab thaa
>
> The slightly different version is:
>
> ab i'tr bhi malo to takalluf ki buu kahaaN
> voh din hava hue k pasiina gulaab thaa
>
> Meter wise, both versions fit perfectly.
>
> Will you please check with your friend Dr Maqbool and ask what is the correct version according to his hard copy sources?
>
> Thank you.
>
> ______Zoya
Aadaab:
Amazing coincidence. Dr. Maqbool called this morning to give me the years of birth and death of Madho Ram Jauhar which are 1810 and 1890 respectively. He, by the way, also mentioned about this verse. He said the one with takalluf is correct. I didn't ask for his source. I will check with him. He apparently has a good source because he was able to get me the birth and death years from the same source.
Best wishes.
Khalid

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:05:32 AM UTC-5, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:

> Aadaab:
> Amazing coincidence. Dr. Maqbool called this morning to give me the years of birth and death of Madho Ram Jauhar which are 1810 and 1890 respectively. He, by the way, also mentioned about this verse. He said the one with takalluf is correct. I didn't ask for his source. I will check with him. He apparently has a good source because he was able to get me the birth and death years from the same source.
> Best wishes.
> Khalid

Thank you so much, Khalid sahib.

It is now confirmed that I remembered this she'r incorrectly, and the correct version has 'takkaluf' indeed.

I absolutely love such coincidences. It has occasionally happened with Irfan sahib and RK sahib too, that my brainwaves sometimes inadvertently sync with my ustaads! :)

Maybe it is about time you put in my student application in front of Dr Maqbool? Please mention that I come highly recommended as a pupil in the school of Urdu poetry. References can of course be arranged as needed. :-)

Have a wonderful day,

_______Zoya

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 11:05:32 AM UTC-5, Khalid Siddiqui wrote:

> Aadaab:
> Amazing coincidence. Dr. Maqbool called this morning to give me the years of birth and death of Madho Ram Jauhar which are 1810 and 1890 respectively. He, by the way, also mentioned about this verse. He said the one with takalluf is correct. I didn't ask for his source. I will check with him. He apparently has a good source because he was able to get me the birth and death years from the same source.
> Best wishes.
> Khalid

Thank you so much, Khalid sahib.

It is now confirmed that I remembered this she'r incorrectly, and the correct version has 'takalluf' indeed.

I absolutely love such coincidences. It has occasionally happened with Irfan sahib and RK sahib too, that my brainwaves sometimes inadvertently sync with my ustaads! :)

Maybe it is about time you put in my student application in front of Dr Maqbool? Please mention that I come highly recommended as a pupil in the school of Urdu poetry. References can of course be arranged as needed. :-)

Have a wonderful day,

_______Zoya