On 4/30/2022 4:05 PM, trotsky wrote:
> On 4/30/2022 2:57 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/30/2022 3:49 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2022 8:58 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2022 5:05 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/29/2022 4:00 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 3:49 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 1:28 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 2:15 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 10:06 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 10:39 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 8:33 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 1:08 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2022 5:11 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2022 4:18 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2022 2:50 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2022 3:10 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2022 9:34 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2022 3:38 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 5:43 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 6:07 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 9:11 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/2022 8:24 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I propose as an alternative to incarceration both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> men and women be sent on a date with Ms. Heard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly a couple of hours with her would make any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person sorry for what they've done. Not that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johnny Depp, as an example, didn't deserve it to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some extent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've seen only his courtroom testimony.  What are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we certain he did?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was passed out due to opiates much of the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amber of course has accused him of all kinds of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. I don't have a dog in the fight but she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really is fucking crazy. Depp was kind of an idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to pursue her in the first place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From the courtroom videos I do feel sorry for him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...though bearing in mind that he's an accomplished
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for him?  He's fucking deluded himself into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking he knows the "correct" way to use opiates.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He might as well be an antivaxxer while he's at it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't consider *self*-delusion a hanging offense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that what we were discussing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afaik, you were giving reasons to dislike Depp,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including self-delusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So any kind of self delusion is okay even if it's opioid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abuse? Before covid, opioids were already a worldwide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> epidemic.  Are you attempting to downplay this?  This is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the worst thing about this group, even the most rational
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem like they've lost reality contact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, *self* delusion is solely the business of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual. Hell, maybe Depp *has* figured out how to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fun with fentanyl. *My* responsibility is only to let him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know he's probably nuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just offensive.  "Self delusion" trumps the abuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of drugs. And that's "his business" if confused himself
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about what he's doing as has every drug addicts since the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dawn of time. And maybe he's "safely" using fentanyl.  Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you drugs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The ultimate -- and unacceptable -- alternative is someone
>>>>>>>>>>>> else's right to interfere with *my* decisions that affect
>>>>>>>>>>>> only *me*. E.g., if Depp shows no other signs of mental
>>>>>>>>>>>> impairment, he's free to choose drugs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't criticize your personal preference but I sure as shit
>>>>>>>>>>> don't agree with it.
>>>>>>>>>>   Why would you renounce your ultimate right of
>>>>>>>>>> self-determination?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no idea what that means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're of completely sound mind, why would you give someone
>>>>>>>> else a veto power over you, about drugs or anything else?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who are you claiming gave "veto power" to whom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just above, you disagree that Depp should be allowed to choose
>>>>>> drugs ...whereas I'd give him that right, just as I'd demand it
>>>>>> for myself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That right?  This is a nation of laws, doing stuff that's illegal
>>>>> isn't a "right".  Wow, that's twisted.
>>>>
>>>> This is a nation based on the concept of *inalienable* rights.
>>>
>>> Yes, and using illicit substances isn't one of them.
>>
>> Iirc, forming that nation was 'illicit'.
>
>
> That's not a valid analogy.  The country was formed to escape the King's
> tyranny.
>

The king, a.k.a. the law, took a different view.