On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 03:36:12 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <hjdnih1jk523hgrgca4d334omgsh13mem1@4ax.com>,
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>> Seal Team - where they opened up with tons of action as the team is
>> under fire from a well planned attack that should have ended up with
>> them all dead. Instead through some heroic action by GI Joe, I mean
>> Bravo Team Leader, they end up surviving. Though I dare say Clay's
>> soldiering days are done for.
>
>Watching Clay drag that leg around the dirty battlefield nearly gave me
>a whoopsie.

Yeah, that was not going to a pleasant experience for him.

>I wonder who they're going to bring in to replace him?

No idea. I would normally say they would bring in someone who would
create some drama to replace Clay but at some point they are going to
have to address Bravo Team Leader's medical issues so that's going to
create more than enough drama for the team.

>> FBI, - Starting off with someone who has gone off the depend in his
>> hate for right wingers and wants to take out some members of the
>> Federalist Society and has stolen a bunch of C4 configured into a bomb
>> while Jubal keeps having issues with his son (who is having issues at
>> school.) Then we have Omar (FBI agent, not a bomb tech) deciding to
>> move the bomb to save the 300 or so still in the building while
>> risking their lives if the FBI bomb expert was right about the bomb
>> possibly having a motion detector that would set off the bomb if
>> moved.
>
>This whole thing was ridiculous. First, there was no way there was that
>many people in the building they showed us from the outside. It was just
>a large country house. A building that size could be evacuated in five
>minutes. They were acting like was a TARDIS or something.

Yeah, the only way I could explain it is that for some reason (middle
of the ceremony?) the wedding crowd wouldn't leave. Though I might
have started by pulling the fire alarm as that would get most people
on their way out and then use the agents to get the rest. As you say
that people held many more people than it should have.

>Second, unless that bomb was nuclear, there's no way it could possibly
>have been that powerful. It was in a gym bag, for gawd's sake.

Yeah, they showed it was C4. Powerful enough to cause the building to
collapse if it went off but they acted like it was going to blow the
building to pieces.

>Then Omar drives it a quarter mile away and he's still saying he's not
>far enough away and he dives out of a truck at 60-70 mph and rolls a few
>times, then comes up running instead of screaming in agony at all the
>broken bones he'd actually have. And when the bomb detonates, it knocks
>people off their feet back at the house a half mile or so away, but
>Omar, who is only a few hundred feet away comes away completely
>unscathed.

Hey, at least they had Omar hide behind the wall to at least give him
some cover. Though, as you point out, if it was really Oklahoma city
level it wouldn't have mattered.

>And if I was SAC Alana, I'd haul Omar into my office and explain in no
>uncertain terms that when I give an order, I expect it to be obeyed and
>then send him home for a month without pay to let him think about it.

Agreed. Especially when as said above the bomb tech wouldn't move the
bomb because he thought there was a good chance it had a motion
detector. So Omar risked killing everyone still in the building
(citizens and FBI) by moving the bomb. That alone should be enough to
get him sent home for a while. Unless I missed the part where he
became a bomb expert and so might know better than the guy actually
trying to defuse the bomb.

>As for Jubal and his kid, give me a fucking break. First, the kid isn't
>a 5-year-old. Daddy missing his birthday party shouldn't be a
>soul-shattering event. Second, if Jubal's attendance is an emotional
>necessity for his kid, he should have put in for leave well in advance
>and have the day off. Not keep making promises to do things he almost
>certainly knows he won't be able to do because he's working an active
>terrorist attack that won't be resolved by the end of the normal work
>day.

I get the feeling they are building to something with Jubal's kid. Not
that I think he's going to become a mass shooter but maybe he will try
to take his own life or something. None of the issues that were raised
should be that big a deal. Hell, my family moved to a new town almost
every year when I was growing up so me and my siblings were always
lacking for good friends as we were always the new kids.

Also there didn't seem to be any reason for Jubal to have been out of
the office for most of the day other than to keep him away from his
family as I didn't see anything that Jubal did by being at each
location that he couldn't have done from the office. By this point in
their relationship it should be obvious that as much Jubal might want
to be the go to guy in the family his job is likely to get in the way.
So he should have just told his wife (ex?) where to get the cake and
concentrated on stopping the bomb.

>> FBI MOST WANTED
>> Here we have a guy who has lost his daughter to a mass shooting who
>> ends up purchasing an illegal gun that was stolen from a couple that
>> buys legal guns in Georgia and then sells them up north where they are
>> illegal.
>
>This whole thing started with a WTF moment when the fugitive team gets
>called down to Georgia by the ATF because they "need an assist". Huh?
>Are all of the ATF's agents on leave so they could go to their kids'
>birthday parties or something? Why can't they do their jobs without
>having to ask the FBI to do their jobs for them? Which is exactly what
>the fugitive team does. The first thing Dylan McDermott does is have his
>people start tracing the guns and talking to the gun shop owners. Why
>can't the ATF do that again? Which, I reiterate, is their job to do.

Apparently this show has gone down the path of making everyone else
incompetent so that the FBI can shine. You would have expected the ATF
to have already done that ground work of tracing the guns by the time
the FBI team arrived.

>And of course this entire episode was just one big Hollywood "fuck you"
>to anyone who owns a gun. They're all portrayed as unfeeling two
>dimensional caricatures, right down to the guy who mows down a state
>trooper and then says, "Yee-haw! Thank god for the 2nd Amendment!!"

At least he was shown as being unfeeling through out the episode. The
gun shop owner, though, definitely felt like the unfeeling caricature
because he knew what the kid did was wrong but yet was shown only
worrying about getting his merchandise back right away so that he
could get a sale.

>And the rifle he used to shoot the trooper was full-auto, yet somehow
>was bought from a local Georgia gun shop over the counter. Is the show
>trying to portray the average gun store owner as so wantonly criminal
>that they're selling fully-auto rifles to anyone who walks through the
>door or are we just supposed to assume that this is another case of
>leftist 'progressive' neckbeards in the writers' room who have no clue
>how any of this actually works?

I don't know if the writers are neck beards or not but clueless? Yeah,
I can buy that they are clueless

>> Of course the couple steal the money from the FBI guy but they then
>> lead them to Nathan who dies in a shootout. Then they return to the
>> dad story who is heading to the Northeastern Rifle Federation meeting
>> with his AR-15. So the FBI head to the meeting to stop them. They get
>> into a big fight over canceling the convention and threaten to arrest
>> the head of the NRF if he doesn't cancel the convention.
>
>Which was so ridiculous I don't know where to start. If I'd been that
>guy, I would absolutely have forced the FBI to arrest me and then let
>him fund my early retirement with the Section 1983 lawsuit settlement
>I'd absolutely win.
>
>Just so we're clear: the FBI can't show up and force you to cancel a
>political speech under threat of arrest. That violates so many laws and
>constitutional principles, the judge would get eyestrain from reading
>the legal briefs.
>
>> instead of shooting him he demands he post the picture of his dead
>> daughter to the guys social media feed so all the members will see
>> what happened to his daughter. Once the NRF head does that the dad
>> surrenders.
>
>And then the NRA, err NRF guy probably picked up his phone and deleted
>the post so it would only have been up for about 20 seconds tops.
>
>Oh, and the lesbian agent that came back from maternity leave looks like
>she's gonna have a hard time passing her quarterly PT test. Her ass is
>now monstrous and she's wearing muumuu shirts to hide her fat belly,
>too. I'd love to see a foot chase scene with her in it. She'd make it
>about 20 yards.
>
>> FBI INTERNATIONAL
>> A US police officer in Paris working with the DSG
>
>Did the DGSE recently change its name? They kept referring to them as
>the DGSI, but they were always the DGSE when I worked with them.
>
>> The team find, lose, find, lose and then find the bad guy who was
>> heading up the illegal gun smuggling while also running a legal arms
>> international arms dealership. The guy has a big deal planned that
>> involves stealing spent plutonium rods that are being transported for
>> recycling. Of course the team and police arrive just as the bad guys
>> are stealing the rods, but can't stop them. Nor can they chase after
>> them as they have the road blocked (and apparently there are no police
>> on the other side of the blockade. They later find the bad guys, dead
>> from radiation exposure, but no control rods.
>>
>> Later they find and capture the arms smuggler but he has already
>> delivered the rods. Turns out it's a guy who blames France for bad
>> things that have happened in Dondi (supposedly an African country), a
>> Dondi government enforcer. So he plans to detonate the dirty bomb in
>> Paris but hey, the team finds him and stops him in time.
>
>The contrivances the writers are forced into to make this show
>interesting are so divorced from reality that it's like it's not even
>taking place in our level of the multiverse.
>
>(1) FBI agents absolutely cannot run around shooting up foreign
>countries, engaging in reckless car chases, and tackling and arresting
>foreign citizens. No country on earth allows this. The time I worked
>threat investigations in Paris ahead of a presidential visit, the French
>government wouldn't let us do anything ourselves. We had to provide them
>with the names of the people we wanted to talk to and the French
>authorities would go talk to them for us. If they brought a French
>citizen in for questioning, we weren't allowed to say a word to them. At
>most, they might let us sit in the room and observe. And we weren't
>allowed to do any of it, including just walking around the city, armed.
>The French government (or any other European government, for that
>matter) does not allow American law enforcement to carry guns. The only
>time we did was during the actual presidential visit and even then we
>weren't allowed to, we just did it anyway and had diplomatic cover so
>the French couldn't prosecute us for it. Most they could do would be
>kick us out of the country. During the visits, however, they become
>schizophrenic about their gun policies. When the president is on their
>soil, they officially forbid guns but unofficially look the other way
>because they don't want anything to happen to the president on their
>soil and in the aftermath have it come out they had disarmed the Secret
>Service. That would make them look... well, very bad. It might actually
>seem to the world that they were facilitating the attack.
>
>(2) This show acts like these are the only four FBI agents in all of
>Europe. Every embassy in every country has an FBI legat office. Why this
>team is constantly traveling all over Europe working these cases is
>never explained.
>
>(3) The whole scene in the Dondi embassy in this episode was beyond
>ridiculous. The black agent tells the receptionist that he has to use
>the bathroom so she buzzes him into the secure area of the embassy and
>lets him wander up the stairs unescorted?!? In what universe would that
>happen? There'd be a public bathroom right there off the lobby for
>people to use and if, for some reason, they didn't have one, they'd have
>had embassy security escort the guy to the bathroom and back. At no
>point would he be left alone to poke around in the ambassador's office
>for Christ's sweet sake.