Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

I used to get high on life but lately I've built up a resistance.


arts / rec.arts.tv / Re: Some of the stupid people you can have in govt.

Re: Some of the stupid people you can have in govt.

<tm4v62$292hb$1@dont-email.me>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=166543&group=rec.arts.tv#166543

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: web...@polaris.net (Ubiquitous)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Some of the stupid people you can have in govt.
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 21:05:03 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 300
Message-ID: <tm4v62$292hb$1@dont-email.me>
References: <tioi6p$10o$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Injection-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:05:25 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: reader01.eternal-september.org; posting-host="67e3ccc704aca6453072433cab45a29a";
logging-data="2394667"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19j9d+t0PbI2YDlys3nPXwXAa8C7VYeUOI="
Summary: https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2019/jun/28/joe-bidens-praise-segregationists-spans-decades/
Keywords: https://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2019/jun/28/joe-bidens-praise-segregationists-spans-decades/
Cancel-Lock: sha1:4jyhNvFUhBqbG9tqYTN5To8EYng=
X-Subject: Joe Biden's Praise for Segregationists Spans Decades
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.12N (x86 32bit)
 by: Ubiquitous - Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:05 UTC

Even as the sun glistened upon his thinning hair one bright Mississippi day
in DeKalb, Miss., U.S. Sen. Joe Biden stood out as the youngest of the
senators speaking at U.S. Sen. John C. Stennis' birthday party. It was Aug.
3, 1985, and the 42-year-old Biden was a rising star in the Democratic Party.
With the 1988 presidential race coming up, some hoped that he might help lead
it out of the wilderness of the Reagan years.

Despite Biden's reputation as a northeast liberal, the young Delawarean wowed
the southern crowd as he drew from the Confederate mythos to pile praise upon
Stennis, who was known for his decades of resistance to civil rights. Biden
compared him to Stonewall Jackson, a fabled Confederate military commander
known for his tactical prowess.

"It was said of Stonewall Jackson, 'He is an avalanche from an unexpected
quarter, a thunderbolt from a clear sky, and yet his character will make him
a stone wall more than any man I've ever known,'" Biden said, reciting a
quote that a 1920 book attributes to lecturer, and Stonewall Jackson's aide,
James Power Smith.

"And Mr. Chairman," Biden continued, "When you stand on the floor of the
Senate, and you point your finger, and you raise your voice, it's like a bolt
from a clear sky. And when you speak, everyone listens. And as all of my
colleagues have said here today, he truly does stand like a stonewall; he is
the rockbed of integrity of the United States Congress."

Even in the company of other segregationists like South Carolina Sen. Strom
Thurmond and Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater, Biden did not mention Stennis'
storied opposition to civil rights.

Biden on Busing: 'A Liberal Trainwreck'

A decade earlier, though, Biden worked with Stennis and other segregationists
like Thurmond and Sen. Jim Eastland, Mississippi's other U.S. senator, to
fight a key segregation program: busing, which the government used to send
children across district lines to make schools more integrated.

Southern Dixiecrats and Republicans had long opposed busing in their region,
where the federal government had mandated it most heavily. But as the
practice spread, whites in wealthy suburbs like those in Delaware began
pushing back. Some had moved to the suburbs to send their kids to what they
considered a "good school," which usually meant mostly white, and opposed
their kids being bused elsewhere to make schools more equal.

"Southern politicians who had been pushing against desegregation in the 1950s
realized, 'Oh, OK, now that it's hit the doorstep of the northeasterners;
they don't like it any more than we do,'" Ralph W. Eubanks, a southern
studies professor at the University of Mississippi, told the Jackson Free
Press in April. "And these political alliances began to form. So that's why
you had someone like Joe Biden making alliances with Strom Thurmond, James
Eastland and John Stennis."

In 1973, Biden ran on a pro-civil-rights platform. Just a year earlier,
though, segregationist Alabama Gov. George Wallace had won the Florida
Democratic presidential primary while running on an anti-busing platform. As
the concern among white parents about busing grew beyond the Deep South, even
some northeast liberal Democrats like Biden began criticizing it.

By 1975, Biden thought of busing as a "liberal train wreck," as he wrote in
his 2007 memoir, and found himself huddled with a group of Dixiecrats,
planning how they might introduce anti-busing legislation that could pass in
the Senate.

"The new integration plans being offered are really just quota systems to
assure a certain number of blacks, Chicanos, or whatever in each school,"
Biden told a Delaware newspaper in 1975. "That, to me, is the most racist
concept you can come up with. Who the hell do we think we are, that the only
way a black man or woman can learn is if they rub shoulders with my white
child?"

Around that same time, all the way across the country in Berkley, Calif., a
schoolgirl and future U.S. senator named Kamala Harris was reaping busing's
benefits. With an African American father and a mother from India, Harris was
the first in her family to go to an integrated school district.

'That Little Girl Was Me'

All these years later, on a Democratic presidential debate stage on Thursday
night, Harris took aim at Biden, not only for his recent praise for the
"civility" that segregationists like Eastland and former U.S. Sen. Herman
Talmadge of Georgia showed him, but for his efforts to kill the program that
integrated her school.

"Vice President Biden, I do not believe you are a racist, and I agree with
you, when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground,"
Harris said. "But I also believe--and it's personal--it was actually hurtful
to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who
built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this
country."

It was not only his praise of segregationists that bothered her, though,
Harris said, but his efforts to end the very program that ensured her an
integrated school experience.

"There was a little girl in California who was bused to school. That little
girl was me," she said.

Biden deflected the criticism, claiming that his opposition to busing was
about federally mandated busing. That decision, he said, should have been
left up to states and local governments as it was in Berkley--not enforced by
the federal government.

"The fact is that, in terms of busing, the busing, I never--you would have
been able to go to school the same exact way because it was a local decision
made by your city council," Biden said. "That's fine. That's one of the
things I argued for. We should be breaking down these lines."

That "local control" argument both invoke the segregationists' "state's
rights" argument--the racist Citizens' Council's logo was designed around the
words "Racial Integrity" and "State's Rights"--even as it recalls Eastland's
opposition to "forced busing ordered by federal courts," and Stennis'
suggestion, in a 1973 letter to a constituent, that busing only existed to
satisfy technocrats in the nation's capital.

"I am opposed to the busing of schoolchildren for the sole purpose of
overcoming racial imbalance," Stennis wrote in that letter. "This
unreasonable busing is injurious to our school children and only benefits
some Washington socio-political statistician."

Stennis' opposition to busing was indicative of the mood in Deep South
states, which showed no desire to implement busing on their own terms--a
point Harris made Thursday night.

"There are moments in history where states fail to support the civil rights
of people," she said.

In April, the Jackson Free Press spoke to Millsaps College civil rights
historian Stephanie Rolph, the author of the 2018 book, ""Resisting Equality:
The Citizens' Council, 1954-1989." Even today, she said, Biden would likely
face pushback from some white voters if he apologized for his position on
busing.

"It would be excellent if Biden could recognize the political moment he was
in at that time and why he realizes that was an erroneous position. But that
sort of contextual explanation for that for someone like him at the national
level also threatens to undermine certain constituencies that would not
appreciate his apology for that, because they might not think that anti-
busing legislation was a bad thing," she said.

Thursday night was not the first time Harris has pointed to America's history
of segregated public schools. In a speech in New Orleans last year, Harris
praised the city for the election of its first African American woman mayor
as evidence that America is better than the troubles of the Trump era.

"I know we are better than this because, less than 60 years ago, about four
miles up the road, Ruby Bridges needed federal marshals to escort her to
school," Harris said last August, referring to the civil-rights activist who,
as a 6-year-old child, faced abuse and harassment when she became one of the
first African American children to attend an integrated school in New
Orleans.

"And yet today, Mayor Latoya Cantrell is the first woman--and first black
woman--in history to lead this city. That's our American identity."

'A Man Without Guilt'

On Thursday night, Biden denied Harris' charge that he had praised
segregationists.

"It's a mischaracterization of my position across the board. I did not praise
racists. That is not true," Biden said on the debate stage.

Over the years, though, Biden has repeatedly praised segregationists like
Stennis, Eastland and Thurmond.

At the 1985 birthday party in DeKalb, Miss., Biden effusively praised Stennis
without reservation.

"He's an opponent without hate, a friend without treachery, a statesman
without pretense, a victim without any murmuring, a public official without
vice, a private citizen without wrong, a neighbor, as you all know, without
hypocrisy, a man without guilt," Biden said. "A senator whom future senators
can study with profit for as long as there is an America."

Just two years earlier in 1983, Stennis had voted against making Martin
Luther King Jr. Day a national holiday--the only southern Democrat to do so.
Just three other Democrats, along with 18 conservative Republicans, had also
voted against the holiday.

JFP Editor Donna Ladd toured then-Sen. Biden around Jackson in 2006 for an
in-depth interview.

In 1982, though, Stennis voted to extend the Voting Rights Act, which he had
fiercely opposed in the 1960s.

In a 2006 interview with Jackson Free Press editor Donna Ladd in Jackson
during an earlier presidential bid, Biden recalled meeting with Stennis on
the day of his retirement. Stennis, Biden said, told him that even though he
had opposed it, the Civil Rights Movement "freed my soul."

Still, Stennis publicly admitted no remorse even as he was retiring, The
Atlanta-Journal Constitution reported after interviewing him in 1988.

"Stennis offers no apologies for once fighting the lost racial causes of his
beloved Mississippi. ... And as that career comes to a close, the 87-year-old
patriarch of the Senate feels no need to offer excuses for having 'done my
duty,'" the report reads.

Though Biden's speech, the full transcript of which Scribd user Andy William
uploaded to the site on May 22, drew little notice in the mid-1980s, not all
U.S. senators have been so lucky after praising segregationists at their
birthday parties.

U.S. Sen. Trent Lott, a Republican who took over Stennis' seat after he
retired in 1989, saw his career upended in 2002 because of comments he made
at segregationist Thurmond's 100th birthday party.

"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him," Lott said. "We're
proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we
wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."

Thurmond ran for president in 1948 as the nominee for the State's Rights
Democratic Party, but won in just four states: Alabama, Louisiana,
Mississippi and his own state of South Carolina. Though he first served in
the U.S. Senate as a Democrat, he switched to the Republican Party after
Democratic President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964.

Lott's remarks at Thurmond's party drew such a backlash that Lott, who was
the U.S. Senate Majority whip at the time, stepped down from his leadership
position.

At Stennis' birthday party in 1985, though, Biden opened with a joke about
Thurmond, then the chairman of the Senate Judiciary under whom he served.
Thurmond, he joked, might announce a second run for the presidency.

"It's nice to be here, Mr. Chairman, on the day that Strom Thurmond announces
for president of the United States of America ... I'm not sure, I think maybe
Strom had the right idea, of leaving the party when he did, because now, you
know, he's chairman of the judiciary committee, and I serve at Strom
Thurmond's bidding," Biden said.

Biden also told the crowd that Stennis befriended him shortly after he joined
the Senate.

"John Stennis, who knew little of this northern boy who was supposedly a
liberal, who in fact he had never heard of, John Stennis befriended me," he
said.

'He Won Their Hearts'

A year after the Mississippi birthday party, Biden visited Mississippi's
sister state, Alabama. There, Howell Heflin, an Alabama Democratic state
senator who had been at Stennis' birthday celebration, introduced Biden to a
Democratic crowd, telling them how he had "enthralled" the Mississippians.

"He won their hearts and proved he ... understands the South," Heflin said.

Reporting on that trip on March 2, 1986, The Morning News in Wilmington,
Del., reported that Biden "offered the crowd a bit of absolution, telling
them that they had confronted their racial problems and dealt with them and,
while everything was perhaps not perfect, apologies were no longer needed."

"A black man has a better chance in Birmingham than in Philadelphia or New
York," Biden said.

Biden adjusted his regular stump speech for the Alabama crowd. The Morning
News reported that he dropped a reference to his youthful participation in
civil-rights demonstrations in Delaware and removed a reference to Birmingham
Police Commissioner T. Eugene "Bull" Connor, who had set loose police dogs on
civil-rights demonstrators in the 1960s.

Biden continued to insist that the segregationists he worked with on busing
in the 1970s had truly had a change of heart. When Thurmond died in 2003,
Biden spoke at his funeral.

"I believe that change came to him easily," Biden told the mourners. "I
believe he welcomed it, because I watched others of his era fight that change
and never ultimately change. It would be humbling to think that I was among
those who had some influence on his decision, but I know better."

During his early years as a U.S. senator, Joe Biden counted Mississippi
segregationist Sens. Jim Eastland and John Stennis as his mentors.

In April, Eubanks told the Jackson Free Press that he does not think "any of
them really changed." Rather, he said, they responded to the changing
political climate in the 1970s and '80s.

"I think they were not as outwardly racist and I think it became less
acceptable for them to be so openly and blatantly racist," he said. "I think
their racism was sublimated. It was not expressed outwardly. I can't really
see into their hearts to know if they really changed or not. Yes, they voted
to renew the Voting Rights Act. But at that point, they really didn't have
any choice. That's not evidence of real change and atonement. It's more, 'We
know the politics have changed, so we're going to go along with it.' And
that's different. I think Biden read that as that they had changed, rather
than confronting actual evidence that they had."

Six months after Thurmond's death, 78-year-old Essie Mae Washington-Williams
publicly disclosed that she was Thurmond's daughter, born out of wedlock to a
black mother. Though Thurmond had supported her and paid for her college
education at a historically black college, the old-fashioned segregationist
had kept his daughter's identity hidden while he was alive out of fear that
it would harm his reputation if the public knew he secretly had a black
daughter.

Years later, South Carolina added her name to a list of his children on his
memorial at the state capitol.

--
Let's go Brandon!

SubjectRepliesAuthor
o Some of the stupid people you can have in govt.

By: trotsky on Wed, 19 Oct 2022

558trotsky
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.81
clearnet tor