On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 14:17:42 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:52:24 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:45:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:31:58 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 3:35:56 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> > On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 12:01:32 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> > On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 6:11:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> Zod wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Will Dockery wrote:
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> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Today's poem on the Shadowville Mythos poetry blog:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Sunshine Flower Company
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Joanne was my Flower Girl;
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> it was as if she'd stepped
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> out of a Cowsills' song.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> That corner was
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> on one of my major routes
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> so I'd see her as I walked home.
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> On the corner
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> of Cheshire Bridge and La Vista
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> that was the Flower Girl's beat.[...]
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> Read more at:
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> https://shadowville-mythos.blogspot.com/2021/04/sunshine-flower-company.html
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> >> ***
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> > Ah, the legendary flower girl....
> > > > >> > > >> >> >> Never forgotten.
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> > Hair, beautiful hair...
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> > https://youtu.be/Qt_yKPNORLM
> > > > >> > > >> >> Thanks for reading and commenting, Robert.
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> Phil Ochs is a bigger influence, since you brought it up:
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> https://youtu.be/EUXd-59ec60
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> > I don't really see or hear the influence
> > > > >> > > >> > of Phil Ochs in your work, but I'll take
> > > > >> > > >> > your word for it.
> > > > >> > > >> I've been a Phil Ochs fan for over forty years, so he's definitely influenced me.
> > > > >> > > > Will doesn't understand what "influenced by" means
> > > > >> > > Of course I do, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.
> > > > >> > Prove it.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Explain how Phil Ochs' song lyrics/poetry are reflected in your songs/poems.
> > > > >> This very poem, "Sunshine Flower Company", was directly influenced by one of Phil Ochs' story-songs, "The Flower Lady":
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://youtu.be/EUXd-59ec60
> > > > >>
> > > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > >
> > > > > Influence goes a lot further than a shared word in the title
> > > > Which it is.
> > >
> > > Prove it.
> > > Explain how Phil Ochs' song, "The Flower Lady" is reflected in your song/poem, "Sunshine Flower Company."
> > Okay, read my poem, listen to Ochs.
> >
> > https://youtu.be/TMMUcLCjnT8
> >
> > Yes should be able to figure it out.
> I see no similarity apart from the topic, Donkey.
>
> A shared topic does not denote influence. "Artificial Flowers" by Jerry Bock and Sheldon Harnick has a similar topic. Were both you and Ochs influenced by it? And it is an obvious variation on H.C. Andersen's "The Little Match Girl." Were you, Ochs, Jerry Bock and Sheldon Harnick all influenced by Andersen?
>
> To be influenced by another author, is to have your literary style *affected* by your having read their work. To take a famous example, Melville *changed* the style and tone of "Moby Dick" after having read Shakespeare's "King Lear" -- adding long, philosophical monologues in the style of Shakespeare's play.
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> I was heavily influenced as a child by the poetry of Eugene Field, R.L. Stevenson, as well as by individual poems like "Little Orphant Annie," "A Vagabond Song," and "Casey at the Bat." In terms of rhyme, meter, and the use of simple, easily understood words (with a deeper layer of meaning for those willing to look for it), my poetry reflects their influence. George Dance once said that he would classify my poetry as Victorian childrens' verse -- which is correct insofar as terms of style. Thematically, my poetry often contains horrific, graphically violent, amoral, and even Satanic messages would have been deemed unsuitable for Victorian children to read.
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> I've been a huge fan of Edgar Allan Poe since I was about 14 years old, and memorized the majority of his poems in my late teens. But Poe had little influence on my writing, in terms of technique and theme, because my style had already been established.
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> Now one could argue that Poe had been an indirect influence on my writing, as he had largely set the style for the horror genre, and that many of the horror films I was drawn to as a child (like Lon Chaney's "Phantom of the Opera") borrowed elements from Mr. Poe. But I choose to discount that as, by the same token, everyone who's ever written a horror story or poem has been indirectly influenced by Poe in some way.
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> Poe was not an influence on me (although I often credit him as one as a matter of convenience) because my poetic style did not change after having read his work. My writing has often been compared to Poe's, but he had little influence on my writing. Eugene Field, R.L. Stevenson, Bliss Carman, et. al., otoh, were influences, because my first attempts at writing poetry were imitative of theirs, and my own style grew out of that established by those early imitations.
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> Your poetry may have been influenced by someone... though I have yet to discover another poet (Stink excepted) whose work is half so incompetent as yours. Your style, which comprises a mix of sentence and thought fragments; incorrect usage and tenses; lack of a narrative format and central metaphor (or any semblance of metaphor for that matter); seem to reflect nothing so much as your utter lack of grammatical ability, and your ignorance of the English language.

Well said Michael!!!!

Thank you for sharing that. You spoke well for many of us here.