On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:30:23 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 4:20:11 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > George Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:48:45 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 5:40:30 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >> > Since Team Monkey -- the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon -- of aapc crapped out with their last plagiarism smear -
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/DJm0kBxmSXA/m/BeYkXi3xBAAJ?hl=en
> > >> > - they've pivoted to a new one, recycling a two-year-old story that, to be honest, they actually never stopped spreading. It deals with my cento, "At the Gates of Dawn." For those interested, here's the full account, as it happened and is still happening -- not a "summary" or "commentary," but what was actually said:
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tuesday, May 22, 2007 at 12:01:08 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > >> > > On May 22, 7:00 am, OB <nevilemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > > A nice collage. Syd would have approved.-
> > >> > "Thank you. I had a lot of fun writing this, but I had no idea how it would be received.
> > >> > "I bought a copy of Piper two weeks ago, when my tax refund came in.
> > >> > "I'd never heard any of these songs before. It's hard to believe they were released 40 years ago."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YcHKc6I7cKg/m/yPQD5fHnAgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Syd's Sunrise / George Dance
> > >> > On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 11:43:44 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > "As you can probably tell, it's a cento that uses lyrics from the "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" album."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/KYCco8cPdmY/m/IDUdJ7EnAwAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > >> > On Wednesday, July 14, 2021 at 1:46:12 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > "The constraint I used here is the cento form. I didn't use complete lines; but every image I took was from Syd Barrett's lyrics to the first Pink Floyd album, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn. So the poem does have a dual purpose; it's meant as a pretty poem about a sunrise, and also a look into the mind (a sort of tribute to) Barrett. My hope is that those who do recognize the Barrett connection (I think the title's a dead giveaway) will get more from the poem, but at the same time those who know nothing about it can just read it at as a poem about a sunrise."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn" July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4:
> > >> > "We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/5vc9ULxgAgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Quote of the Day.....George Dance
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:03:07 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:00:02 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > > "But enough about him; I have my own poem to talk about here."
> > >> > "(stolen)"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/tMV_ie2lVns/m/LqAInmBmAAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re" George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:27:08 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "His theft should be posted on his blog bio..."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/x2VFWc1mAAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Ping George Dance
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:35:17 AM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "Explain your theft."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4TFE5NuO4os/m/BJukWNRZAgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "The poem is also on the Facebook AAPC thing. We will be sure to have Pink Floyd's lawyers look at that."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/x2VFWc1mAAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Syd's Sunrise
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:16:33 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YcHKc6I7cKg/m/yPQD5fHnAgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:22:16 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > > George Dance, when you wrote it has nothing to do with anything, nor does the fact that you got only one reply. It was illegal then and it is illegal now. It is also plagiarism. You are a thief.
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 12:33:18 PM UTC-4, (Michael Monkey?) aka fake "Clay Dockery" wrote:
> > >> > > It wouldn't be the first time he was caught plagiarizing. This one is so blatant that it's embarrassing that he thought nobody would notice.. Maybe George Dance should rip off songs that nobody listens to, such as the Shadowville Shitheads.
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 2:55:35 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "Thanks, Clay. We see that your 'father' is crying 'cento' as an excuse for George Dance's thievery. 'Writers Digest' has something to say about that. Dance's stealing for his poem is not at all transformative and he did not bother to tag the lines with their sources. He tried to pass off the poem as his own work (several times), and that is plagiarism."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > > Then don't do a cento if you are not willing to give credit to your sources. That you are only willing to accommodate the "request" to credit the lines now is because you got called on it is telling.
> > >> > > Besides which it is the legal thing to do. If you didn't know this before, now you do."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:49:38 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "What the fuck does that have to do with Dunce stealing lyrics and not crediting, claiming them his own until this very day?"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:10:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "To 'set the record straight,' George Dance wrote the thing more than 14 years ago and published it various places, including in his "book." He did not label it as a cento and did not give credit to Pink Floyd for the words that made up most of "his" poem. That is plagiarism. Since he has done this before, perhaps he should stick to writing original poems."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:13:54 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "Case closed, he's a plagiarist."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:31:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "All of his supposed 'original' poems should now be examined for plagiarism."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:52:43 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "along with political speeches......"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:00:05 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "Good idea. We will look in the transcripts of his speeches"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:07:26 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "14 years later? He tried and failed to pass it off as his, thanks to NG"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:17:36 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > Pink Floyd fans would get it from the title, but agreed, George needs to label it as a Cento.
> > >> > "No, label it stolen."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:23:54 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > >> > "No George tried and failed to rip off a Floyd lyric....you should fire your editor."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 6:34:06 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "Yes on the 14 years later, and he did not 'set the record straight' in his book, his blog or here. Until he was challenged."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "George Dance, the rug at your home must be really lumpy with things that you have swept under there.
> > >> > "Since your plagiarism has been demonstrated here multiple times, it seems that you have a problem (lack of talent, inspiration, or just being lazy) with producing original work. All of the poems that you supposed wrote are now suspect."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > >> > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:27:26 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > "GD said he was going to credit Syd because it was requested of him. Everything I saw about cento said crediting was mandatory otherwise it is can be considered plagiarism.
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > >> > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > >> > "Dance has always had an issue with credibility."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > >> > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:23:49 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "Absolutely, and as Ash points out, the cento "must" credit its sources.. This was not done in Dance's book, on his blog or on AAPC "until" he was called out on the plagiarism. He had 14 years to correct this. If he didn't know what a cento was and what the rules for writing one were, he should have had enough to to look it up. Guilty."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > >> > On Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 12:57:13 AM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > >> > "Dance plagiarized again. He’s just a second hander, like you."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
> > >> > On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:20:16 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > >> > "Dance has always had an issue with credibility.
> > >> > "Why else would he be will’s editor."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/23_1oXVwuvg/m/WqErh1Z2AAAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: NGBS reports new plagarism scandal!
> > >> > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 5:35:02 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> > "I believe that George assumed everyone would recognize the PF lyrics, and that he was in no way trying to steal credit for them.
> > >> > "That may excuse him (at least IMO), but it does not change the fact that he failed to identify/credit the original -- which constitutes an act of plagiarism."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/Vjh64-mHxsw/m/Z3A1Lt2tAQAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > >> > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 6:35:58 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "His posting of the poem made NO mention of cento or Pink Floyd or Barrett."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > >> > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 3:25:29 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> > "Writing a cento is not an act of plagiarism. Attempting to pass it off as an entirely original work, otoh, is.
> > >> > "Since George has published this poem without identifying it as a cento or crediting the source, he has committed an act of plagiarism.
> > >> > "As previously noted, I don't believe that he was intentionally trying to pass his poem off as an entirely original work.[...]
> > >> > "That's an excuse for his having plagiarized Pink Floyd. It doesn't absolve him of having committed plagiarism."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > >> > On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 9:02:24 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "Everyone but you, George "Plagiarist" Dance and George Sulzbach agrees that George Dance plagiarized from Pink Floyd by not including a credit to them."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > "On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 5:58:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > " George Dance wrote a poem that consisted of rearranging lines from a Pink Floyd album and then presented it as his own poem. He may have written it as a cento but he did not attribute the lines to Pink Floyd in his book, in several postings of the poem, or recently when he was challenged. He was wrong. He should not do this again. He needs to go back to every single place where he posted or published that poem and put in that it is a cento and give credit to Pink Floyd. Plagiarism is taking other people's work and presenting it as one's own."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > >> > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 6:35:58 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "His posting of the poem made NO mention of cento or Pink Floyd or Barrett."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: At the Gates of Dawn / George J. Dance
> > >> > On Saturday, July 24, 2021 at 10:50:01 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michelangelo Scarlotti" wrote:
> > >> > "George made no mention of it when he recently posted his poem."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bzA1DrZGoSg/m/4yuhftw3AgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Kos, Krugman, and ~karlapoet~ (and Sarah Palin)
> > >> > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 7:00:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> > On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 6:35:15 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > True, the song is credited to Syd Barrett.
> > >> > "Unfortunately not in George's poem."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/fNXOQ2OgWR4/m/Ey_TgJweAwAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Quote of the afternoon.....Dance
> > >> > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 8:53:37 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > "POSSIBLY YOUR ONLY GOOD POEM WAS WRITTEN BY SYD BARRETT!!!"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/YZq9ceFsWhQ/m/-WxpJFDmBwAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Long May You Live / c&c
> > >> > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 4:12:59 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "That was his plagiarism of Pink Floyd's lyrics. We proudly take credit for pointing that out"
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/k259WiA4gcE/m/OKcNFdWeAgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 6:23:39 PM UTC-4, Michael onkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> > "If the work is copyrighted, your reprinting it with or without attribution would be an act of plagiarism."
> > >> > "Since both the work of Mr. Cohen and Pink Floyd are copyrighted, both could be prosecuted as crimes: plagiarism in the first case, and intellectual property theft in the second."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/DJm0kBxmSXA/m/omqHKpbYAgAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Stolen, Borrowed, Lend lease...Dance re-writes Barrett
> > >> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:47:21 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > "Yes, indeed, NancyGene is a great researcher and George Dance is a plagiarist
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JNZKHLU2mbM/m/LilSyhwjAwAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Stolen, Borrowed, Lend lease...Dance re-writes Barrett
> > >> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 10:03:01 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> > From now on, I shall be addressing/referring to him as George "The Plagiarist" Dance.
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JNZKHLU2mbM/m/LilSyhwjAwAJ?hl=en
> > >> >
> > >> > Re: Michael Monkey's latest meltdown
> > >> > On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 2:51:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > >> > "You are guilty of both plagiarism (Cohen, Barrett, et al) and literary theft."
> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/4zlqC2vJr0s/m/6sZ2bdwyAwAJ?hl=en
> > >> Having taken the above evidence into consideration, the court finds George "The Plagiarist" Dance... GUILTY of plagiarism.
> > >>
> > >> Again.
> > >>
> > >> Case closed.
> >
> > > <takes note>
> > > "The subject is now under the delusion that he is also a judge."
> > Michael Pendragon, what an ignorant and delusional little fuckwit monkey.
> Are you saying that a cento shouldn't credit its sources?

No, of course I didn't say that.

🙂