On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:17:37 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:23:43 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:02:29 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:50:46 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:50:53 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > Of the 18 poems identified as being by John Francis O’Donnell at the “Digital Victorian Periodical Poetry Project” site* (https://dvpp.uvic.ca/prs_417.html), only one has his actual name, one has his initials, and one has a pseudonym. Sixteen are listed as being in the “Chambers’s Edinburgh Journal,” and two are listed as being in “Once a Week.” “Wooed” in “Chambers’s Edinburgh Journal” is credited to “Caviare.” “Dulce Domum” in “Once a Week” is credited to “J.F. O’D.” “The Hostelry” in “Once a Week” is credited to J. F. O’Donnell. The fifteen other poems credited to him by “DVPPP” have no author listed.
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> > > > > Since the poems range from 1861 to 1877, Mr. O’Donnell must have seen at least some of these publications and been aware that his name was not listed as being the author of the poems. This is a bad thing over 150 years later. It was not good even in his lifetime, since many of his poems seem to have been labeled as “anonymous” or just attributed to the journal that it was in.
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> > > > > Under “notes and attribution research” on the site (done for each “Chambers’s Journal” poem), “DVPPP” says about “July Dawning:” “Poet attribution: the Chambers’s Journal ledger entry lists the author as John O’Donnell, with payment of 15s (NLS 341/310). (AC).” Therefore, the team must have had access to the Journal’s archived payment books at the National Library of Scotland. These are not on-line. It is not clear whether the poem is named in the ledger or just that O’Donnell was paid for a poem. It may be that Mr. O’Donnell was classified as a staff writer at the publications. We don’t know why he would not have insisted on having his name accompany the poems or the Journal did not include his name with his poems.
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> > > > > In “The Cabinet of Irish Literature,” edited by Charles Anderton Read (1880), Vol. IV. (T. P. O’Connor), 1880, pp. 162-163, either Mr. Read or Mr. O’Connor writes:
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> > > > > “JOHN FRANCIS O’DONNELL.
> > > > > Born 1837 — Died 1874.
> > > > > […] It would be impossible to enumerate all the periodicals to which he contributed both prose and verse. He had a very ready and an extremely versatile pen. […] His verses were always welcome to Charles Dickens, who was a helpful admirer of the poet; and a large number of his poems were published in Chambers’s Journal. In 1871 he published ‘Memories of the Irish Franciscans’—a volume of verse suggested by the well-known and able work of the Rev. C. P. Meehan on the Franciscans. After years of literary drudgery, Mr. O’Donnell received an official appointment through the assistance of Lord O’Hagan; but he enjoyed his fortune for only a few months, and died in the May of 1874. […] It is a subject of great regret that his poems lie scattered over numberless periodicals, and under various noms de plume.”
> > > > > https://books.google.com/books?id=IKICAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA162&lpg=PA162&dq=%22A+minute+gone.+She+lingered+here,+and+then%22&source=bl&ots=9vWHOVvG15&sig=ACfU3U0UEkn6d7VZL63Lz_njjnYZn99EDg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiL4dLWtsGAAxXJk2oFHXtIChMQ6AF6BAgIEAM#v=onepage&q=%22A%20minute%20gone.%20She%20lingered%20here%2C%20and%20then%22&f=false
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> > > > > Therefore, this is the reason why so many of Mr. O’Donnell’s poems are labeled as “anonymous.” Also, his son must have had to gather together the clippings from the “Chambers’s Journal of Popular Literature, Science and Arts” and identify them as his father’s. Never let your poetry be published in any form without your name being firmly attached. Unfortunately, with the style of placing the author’s name at the end of a poem, it is easy for editors to lop that right off. We put our name at the top, under the title.
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> > > > > *We thank George Dance for finding the “Digital Victorian Periodical Poetry Project” site, although we would have found it ourselves earlier than the 3 weeks it took George Dance to find it. Therefore, we thank George Dance but wonder (in the spirit of George Dance’s research comments) why it took him so long.
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> > > > He probably would had never searched to find it, if he wasn't prodded to-- that's how those things usually work.
> > > "How these things usually work" is when you monkeys "lose", you simply change your story and shift the goalposts for another "win," just like you're doing now. The fact is that if the only reason I was able to put O'Donnell's name on the poem in the first place was because I'd found his name on the DVPP site. That was weeks before either NastyGoon or Michael Monkey had even heard his name.
> > I lost?
> Your team lost. "You monkeys" is plural.

My team? Let me tell them that the superior Dunce proclaimed victory over 'dem...

> > To who? To you? You libelous tool, who are you trying to play for a fool when you and your cash donkey's word is worth as much a runny stool? (I have posted examples of both of you blatantly lying about what I say, you took it to libelous levels that imperil your Google account
> Stop threatening my account, kook. Go take your hissy fit to them.

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George J Dance Mar 30, 2023, 12:01:59 AM
"The problem here is not an identity group, transsexuals; it's an ideological group, those who want "transphobia" and "transphobes" to die. That's a different group. First, it's not not all transsexuals. Second, it's not only transsexuals; it includes not just people like the Nashville shooter, but incels like [RR] and the pseudonymous "Ash Wurthing" who cheer them on.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_oDYF2FjMkE/m/8MmKl4kLAwAJ

George Dance May 6, 2023, 7:47:49 AM
"'Mr. Roach' was "attacked" for titling his post "Transphobia must die!" to celebrate the Nashvlle shooting at a "transphobic" Christian school."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/_oDYF2FjMkE/m/cMP43-TGBAAJ

George Dance May 6, 2023, 7:47:49 AM
"I don't know why you think [RR] reads aapc. (AFAIK, he does nothing but post his blog links here.) Or why you can win a libel suit over usenet comments. (You can ask Cujo about that.) But, just in case he is reading, let's give him something to sue about."
"[RR] is a hater. Being a left-wing anarchist hater, he hates non-leftists of all kinds (whom he calls "chuds".) His blog posts are almost invariably rants about them and what he imagines is going on in their minds. I'm sure he celebrates the death of every "chud". And, to repeat:"
"[RR] was inciting the killing of so-called transphobes, you were cheering it on, and the Nashville shooter was acting on it. You're three peas in a pod: All haters, all promoters of violence against their real or perceived enemies."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/BIG7nL8ZUEQ/m/4BC9FGjeAAAJ

First the title said "transphobia must die", transphobes (must die) was nowhere in there, misrepresentor!
Also Dance why are libeling a Christian school as "transphobic"? No one else said anything about the school, just you, you malicious tool.
You based your claims on first that we posted the day after the shooting, then that our posts were during the Trans Day of Vengeance which was actually a peaceful demonstration planned at the Supreme Court so I don't know why that would even an issue, but our posts were before and without knowledge of both, since they were events in the future at the time of our postings.

"Both the Nashville shooting and Morris's blog post happened during the "Trans Day of Vengeance" story" ~~ George Dance

When you were made to admit to your errors that our posts had nothing to do with the shooting, you refused to retract your accusations of inciting mass murder and celebrating it, just found some other twisted logic to support it. We never called for violence which is required for incitement.

George Dance May 5, 2023, 2:32:32 AM
"Fair enough. He was just pushing the idea of killing off "transphobia." The same idea you were cheering, and the Nashville shooter was working toward.. I hope you find that phrasing more acceptable."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/BIG7nL8ZUEQ/m/vzPeiqiCAAAJ
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> > and even after admitting to the deception of your claimed mistakes, you two never retracted the ASSertion you made based of the falsehoods-- so the word of either of you in arguments cannot be trusted because you will go to any deceitful, even libelous lengths to get the upper hand)
> Yet, as we've seen in this thread, it's been your team (the Bandar-Log) being lying and deceitful for the win, as usual. It looks like you're projecting as well as defending.
> > (let me show the readers your and sWill's trustworthiness)
> Continue your deflection all you want; but don't imagine you'll get your "win" that easily.