In article <urg81s$221gd$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>On 22/02/2024 13:19, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> The Coca Cola Kid <thecocacolakid@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 9:19:44 PM UTC-5, The True Doctor wrote:
>>>> On 21/02/2024 23:38, The Coca Cola Kid wrote:
>>> *snip*
>>>>> Remember when this group was actually fun,.. when people made quote
>>>>> files because there was a lot of quote worthy content here? When people
>>>>> made yearly Adric Awards, that the whole group participated in voting
>>>>> on? When there were Top Ten Lists, and Doctor Who related surveys and
>>>>> questionnaires that received lots of on-topic responses?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, the lovely canon debates. When two stories blatantly
>>>>> contradicted each other, we would debate about which version is
>>>>> canonical. Sadly, the gits who said 'Everything is Canon' won. Now,
>>>>> nobody cares. Everything is canon and nothing is canon.
>>>> Chibnall destroyed all canon with the Timeless Child monster, including
>>>> the basis of Matt Smith's whole story arc.
>>>
>>> It would have been destroyed either way. Chibnall was just a Yes Man who
>>> doing what the Corporation wanted. The destruction of canon began long
>>> ago, with Jean-Marc L'officier arguing for a hard reboot since before he
>>> even posted here, and people like Paul Cornell and his friends pushing
>>> for a more 'squishy' and ambiguous reboot. Either way, many of the
>>> authors, even in the VIrgin Era, had just as much contempt for the
>audience as Chibnall did
>>
>> The show has always had a blithe disregard for its own continuity, with new
>> “lore” superseding older almost from day one but certainly through
>the late
>> sixties right up until the hiatus. Each new show runner - as they are now
>> known - has brought their own vision and direction for the show with them.
>>
>
>You mean like race swapping Isaac Newton and making him Indian? No one
>was so insane as to do that in the past before the show went woke and is
>now being run by unrestrained self centred nepotists and chauvinistic
>bigots like RTD.
>
>If something was added to the lore in the past it was done in a way so
>that it was consistent with the Doctor's origin story, not by writing a
>completely different one and turning the main protagonist into a
>completely different character who is now a mass murdering genocidal
>monster.
>
>> One of the main problems the revived show has faced is in my view the very
>> auteurial role played by the new show runners - in short, they wrote far
>> too much of the material themselves. Every season opener and closer, every
>> special - and Chibnall brought that to its ultimate expression with a
>> writers credit on all but seven of his episodes - including every single
>> one of his last twelve.
>>
>
>Chibnall was so lacking in talent and writing ability that he only hired
>writers who were worse that he was so that they would not show him up.
>How could any sane person possibly expect a bunch of degenerate soap
>opera hacks and political playwrights, the lowest of the low in the
>writing world, to write science fiction, the most difficult genre it is
>possible to write next to comedy.
>
>> This is too close - a clear conflict of interest where the show runner is
>> incapable of taking an objective view of the work until it’s too late. As a
>> result the overall story quality has suffered down the years. I’m hoping
>> RTD can step back to where he’s delivering under 50% of the stories at
>> least - but with the reduced episode count per season now, it seems
>> unlikely.
>
>There is a complete lack or editorial control at the BBC. It's as if the
>people in charge of drama have so many skeletons in their closets that
>they dare not speak out against bad writing or anything that is being
>sold as being woke, when it constitutes the epitome of sexism, racism,
>bigotry and intolerance.
>
>We've known from when Eccleston quit the series that RTD and his fellow
>executive producers were tyrannical megalomaniacs that bullied the
>members of their productions teams and actors that dared to challenge
>them by making suggestions about how the writing on the show, the
>characters and characterisation, lighting, sets, costumes, make up,
>acting and directing could be improved.
>
>>
>> I don’t agree that Chibnall had contempt for the audience - rather, he fell
>
>Chibnall had contempt for the entire series and his predecessors from
>the classic era and totally despised both it and them. He was totally
>disrespectful to the audience and anyone who did not share the same woke
>bigoted views and him. Why else would he have systematically
>contradicted and destroyed Terrance Dicks entire legacy?
>
>Why else did he attack Pip and Jane Baker, two of the better writers of
>the late JNT era, and writers whose writing was far superior to anything
>he has ever written for Doctor Who.
>
>> in love with his own concept of how to re-imagine the Cartmel Master Plan
>> and as a result delivered a clumsy, over complicated set of changes that
>> were unnecessary and unwanted without adding anything of value to the
>> legend of the Doctor other than finally laying to rest the regeneration
>> limit issue.
>>
>
>Without a regeneration limit there's no stakes involved as you know the
>Doctor is never going to die, and now it's even worse when every
>regeneration is a bigeneration so there's always going to be a backup.
>
>This show is being written by a bunch of imbeciles whose heads are stuck
>up their own arses.
>
>> His vision of a more “every day drama” feel for the show just
>didn’t work:
>
>You mean soap opera.
>
>> it jarred badly with the content of the show, resulting in flat direction,
>> weird pacing, a lack of exciting new villains and a lack of character
>> engagement and development for the companions.
>
>Domestic kitchen sink drama does not belong in the genre of science
>fiction. Science fiction is not about petty interpersonal relationships
>and meaningless gossip, and everyday life, things that intelligent
>people want to escape from by watching TV, it's about the affect of
>science, technology, and engineering, now thoughts, concepts, and ideas,
>and man's battle against nature and heroic journey to better himself.
>
>The main audience for science fiction has always been aspirational men,
>and hijacking and changing it on order to attract more women to watch it
>will only drive away viewers and readers of both genders, because all
>that attracted them to watch it and which stimulated their minds has
>been replaced by constant stupidity and illogical magic in place of
>rational thought and logical analysis and decoction. Imbecilic women
>between the ages of 35 to 44 of low intelligence and social standing,
>and with no aspiration either for themselves or their children, from the
>C2, D, and E socio-economic groups don't understand science fiction,
>don't watch it, and never will, because they're only interested in
>themselves; they can't and won't accept anything that's challenging or
>different.
>
>>
>> Then the COVID affected Flux, with its rushed and dropped plot threads,
>> confusing re-use of actors to represent ancient historical action,
>> pointless secondary characters and wasted opportunities for the historical
>> figures thrown into the mix, sealed the fate of this era as something to be
>> more regretted than remembered fondly.
>>
>
>Flux was written by the mind of a 6 year old child with autism. Any
>decent editor of drama would have thrown Chibnall's degenerate writing
>into the bin. Maybe covid saved it from being even worse.
>
>> It’s notable that Chibnall was at his best when delivering fan service: as
>> a writer under RTD and Moffat his best work was a homage to Doctor Who and
>> the Silurians, and the best episodes of his own era were his Dalek episodes
>> and the very backward looking Power of the Doctor.
>>
>
>Under Davies and Moffat Chibnall's scripts were completely re-written by
>both show runners because they were so bad and amateurish. Look at the
>total stupidity of 42 even after the re-writes.
>
>>>>> People actually used to discuss the extended media releases every
>>>>> single month when they were released. When was the last time that
>>>>> someone discussed a Doctor Who book or audio here?
>>
>> I tried every now and again over the last few years but gave up when my
>> admittedly probably dull and overlong thoughts were met with silence (other
>> than the obligatory re-post and incoherent 3-5 word response from Dave).
>>
>> Mostly audio as I can’t focus on books the way I could 40 years ago, and
>> have to fit in a real life as well.
>>
>
>Tim's constant spamming made discovering new subjects and Doctor Who
>related material almost impossible and killed off the group to new members.
>
>> …
>>
>>
>>> It really amuses me how you call Chibnall the 'woke' one, since he wrote
>>> some of the most un-woke scripts prior to becoming show runner, including
>>> Day One, Cyberwoman, and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Of all the three show
>>> runners, RTD was and is probably the most 'woke', but even he is probably
>>> leaning so heavily into it for financial and self-preservation reasons,
>>> just like Moffat and Chibnall had to.
>>
>> Woke is the modern zeitgeist and to be relatable to a modern young audience
>> the show has to reflect that.
>
>Real young people despise everything that is woke. What they want is to
>be entertained and escapism, just as they have done for over 4500 years
>since the time of Gilgamesh. It's only a bunch of self loathing, self
>hating, autistic far left extremists that represent no one but
>themselves, and have no creativity whatsoever that think woekry is
>relatable because they understand nothing and want to destroy what
>others have and they don't, because they hate everything.
>
>Wokery is pure fascism and totalitarian thought control because
>political correctness was invented by Marx and Stalin in order to
>suppress all opposition to their ideology of hate and revolution where
>those claiming to oppressed become the oppressors themselves, since
>Marxism of which fascism is a derivative is all about constant
>revolution. That's what you get when you don't listen to Plato and fail
>to reward merit.
>
> >
>The primary audience for the show always
>> needs to be 8-14 year olds and their parents. We, the older fans, are quite
>
>
>So the question is why are disgusting perverts like RTD trying to preach
>their degenerate sexual agenda on them? Adults are not going to change
>their sexuality because a sick pervert turns Doctor Who into a
>representation of his own self, so their aim must be to sexually groom
>and brainwash children who are too young to even understand what sex and
>sexuality even are. That's what wokery all all about. A a hate filled
>minority attempting to control and enslave the majority. That's not what
>people want to watch especially when it always lead to bad writing.
>
>> naturally left behind and if we can find something still to enjoy in the
>> latest iteration of the show, which has now become an outright fantasy
>> series, well that’s just a bonus.
>
>Because the writing has become totally degenerate as have the writers,
>and plays second fiddle to the message. It's totally sickening. It's the
>complete opposite of what science fiction has always stood for which is
>to fight against brainwashing, grooming, oppression, totalitarianism,
>and for the freedom of thought, speech, and expression.
>
>>
>>> Oh well, too bad we could not have a more extended debate on this, but
>>> the time is almost up.
>>>
>>> Hasta el fuego.
>>
>> Farewell Jon. May the road rise to meet your feet.
>>
>

Spot on!!

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>
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>stands for." -William Shatner
>

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