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Re: Getting To 'The Riff Stage'

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Subject: Re: Getting To 'The Riff Stage'
From: eagalita...@gmail.com (Curtis Eagal)
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 by: Curtis Eagal - Tue, 6 Dec 2022 09:13 UTC

On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:23:17 PM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 9:36:48 AM UTC-8, Curtis Eagal wrote:
> > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:06:31 AM UTC-8, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-8, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 6:35:39 AM UTC-8, RJKe...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 11:52:40 PM UTC-4, eagali...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > The "Get Back" documentary focusing on the January 1969 sessions culminating in The Beatles' unannounced rooftop concert brought out a lot of issues that were not evident in the earlier "Let It Be" film. The creativity seems like chaotic playtime, with personalities clashing during decision-making in the process, and some reluctant admission that ego was intruding. While Ringo Starr reassures too much shouldn't be read into their being 'grumpy,' there is an exchange about (group) Divorce being brought up at a recent meeting as 'getting close' or impending - John Lennon wonders what would become of "The Children," apparently facetiously referring to their songs, to which Paul McCartney shrugs, offering the name of their music publisher, Dick James.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The band started the New Year with ambitious plans that involved avoiding extreme production with extensive overdubs for a live performance mode, eventually assisted by Billy Preston recruited for keyboard; some audio-visual presentation would be simultaneously done, televised or as a theatrical film. The director feels they need a contrived visual spectacle beyond the band itself, and the impressive Roman ruin of the Sabratha amphitheater in northern Africa is proposed, an idea that develops into cruising there with an English-speaking audience - George Harrison considered that lunacy, perhaps thinking about more than the expenses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George Martin discusses how even though John and Paul no longer collaborate closely they remain a songwriting team, while George comprised his own team of one. Harrison would say Lennon often forgot work that had been done on his own songs, so he had to recall for him, which made him feel involved; conversely, McCartney would always offer great help, but George complained there would be '59 songs' of Paul's to get through before one of his tunes was even given a listen. Relinquishing the songwriting task to Lennon-McCartney in the early days was difficult to overcome once Harrison started seriously trying, getting the tip from Lennon that ideally an original composition should be completed all at once.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The lunchtime departure of Harrison, from the project and the group, arrives suddenly with no explosive outburst.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George leaves suggesting they replace him, obviously feeling devalued, and marginal to the collective effort; initial attempts to have him return fail. Candid audio between John and Paul reveals they never thought of The Beatles as 'the four people,' and they were trying to resolve the stylistic-aesthetic decision concerns at the heart of George's grievances.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There was a renegade objective, with McCartney suggesting musically storming Parliament, a step too far: anticipating some sort of beating, he was reminded of their unsavory experiences in Manila - and Memphis. The filmmakers wanting a stunning exotic locale clashed with group members' desire to stay home, honoring those closest to them. Ultimately the decision to do the rooftop concert was a deliberate attempt to be charged with disturbing the peace - Starr wondered if a better rooftop was nearby, only to be told that would compound the potential charges with trespassing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some very early Lennon-McCartney material was used to fill out the song quota of about fourteen. Lennon reporting progress described the tunes like a tailor preparing various suits: some 'ready to wear,' others 'made to measure' (reflecting levels of completion); John also spoke of getting to 'The Riff Stage,' which probably involved devising prominent musical bits, after the song was otherwise finished, with determined style, melody, lyrics, structure, harmonies, etc. Harrison spoke about perhaps needing to rework the tune after the riffs or hooks were included. At certain points communication by a sort of musical shorthand was used to convey what rhythms or chords or precise bits or other elements to alter, allowing the viewer a genuine version of the bogus banter about improving Ringo's drumming performance after "If I Fell" in their debut Lester film.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Starr explains the Twickenham studio was too spacious for their project, preferring the cozier feeling of the Apple location.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When the song "Let It Be" is undertaken, McCartney exclaims, "The true meaning of Christmas," which would involve a certain Pregnancy coming to full term about two thousand years ago; Paul's own "Mother Mary" offering the title advice in a dream was an inspiration. The slow, somewhat broken rhythm of a prominent recurrent musical passage troubled Paul, who described it as 'plodding' - but John reassures him that it was 'mournful,' and therefore effectively appropriate. The stilted instrumental phrasing could have been taken as intuitively foreshadowing the Passion suffering they had breezed through earlier in their song catalog, when they gave a tune the sardonic working title of "That's A Nice Hat," inferring The Crown of Thorns. That 1965 tune was ultimately titled "It's Only Love," corresponding with the Station of The Cross where Jesus falls for the third time - the riff there sounds like,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 'Fell -
> > > > > > For The Third
> > > > > > Time'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John did not feel this was one of his best efforts, calling it a nicely packaged empty box. So having reached the Nativity circa 1969, the emergence of an elegiac tone was fitting. McCartney had taken the role of their late manager Brian Epstein out of necessity, realizing it was inappropriate with his creative colleagues. John being closely linked to Yoko during sessions probably mattered less to George than his being treated as superfluous to the ongoing project. Harrison had seen a film with waltzing on television, and composed "I Me Mine" in that genre; Lennon performed on slide guitar for George's original "For You Blue."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even the retrospectively historic selection of the rooftop 'venue' for a phantom concert appears to have an advisory precedent in a quote from Jesus:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "What I tell you in the dark,
> > > > > > Speak in the daylight;
> > > > > > What is whispered in your ear,
> > > > > > Proclaim from the rooftop"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Matthew 10:27]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What's the story on Rudy Altobelli again? He owned the property and lived in a smaller house out in back, renting the main property to stars like Melcher and Polanski?
> > > > Here is his obituary page from the Variety website:
> > > >
> > > > https://variety.com/2011/film/news/manager-rudi-altobelli-dies-1118037596/
> > > >
> > > > << Rudi Altobelli, a former manager to stars including Henry Fonda and Katharine Hepburn, died of natural causes in Los Angeles on March 26. He was 81.
> > > >
> > > > Altobelli clients also included Samantha Eggar, Olivia Hussey, Sally Kellerman, Buffy Sainte-Marie and Valerie Harper.
> > > >
> > > > He also co-produced Harper’s CBS series “Rhoda” in the late ’70s. >>
> > > >
> > > > It is important to remember that before the Hinman killing the Manson family did not engage in capricious murder sprees, so there was no clear reason for anyone to feel apprehension about associating with the infamous cult leader until investigations into the August 1969 killings emerged.
> > > Tom O'Neil interviewed Altobelli several times for his Manson research, and they became frends. There's a lot about Altobelli in O'Neil's book Chaos -- a book that has fans in this group.
> > I read the Bugliosi book, but it now seems he left out a lot of important information. I avoided recounting the grisly details of the killings in my examination of those events, since my interest is the spiritual degradation it represented being interjected on a cultural level.
> >
> > Some current thoughts on the Hopi beliefs are summarized below: notice a speaker in 1995 was warning about a political movement united by the wearing of reds hats would summon an abuse of the mystical solar power that could shake the world, similar to symbols used by the Nazi and Japanese Axis powers.
> >
> > [Beyond that is a timely update on related prediction theory]
> >
> > The Hopi oral tradition merely seems reflected in the carving of Prophecy Rock, which can perhaps be dated from the 1880s. There is a list of predictions regarding progressive industrialization from wagon wheels to telegraphs and railroads, to highways and skyways, foreseeing the Hippie culture as a potential return to ways more like their own, which are irrefutable if provided before manifesting. The World Wars are viewed as 'Shakings,' with the Third Shaking being a conflict between materialism and spirituality that essentially offers a definitive choice between paths - Life as the Fourth World shifts into the Fifth, or oblivion. They warned of incontrovertible consequences for certain types of behavior that had been repeated throughout several forgotten epochs.
> >
> > Their belief that the first trip to the Moon brought something back has its demonstrable evidence, regarding the August 1969 events between the capsule splashdown and astronauts being released from quarantine. A Hopi representative explained in a 1995 speech how they attempted to reach the United Nations as their House of Mica (for its glasslike surface), only succeeding on their fourth attempt. He had been part of the Hopi delegation that made the first attempt in 1949: they knocked, but the door did not open. The next attempt was to reach the UN through a 1972 Forum at Vancouver, where they were not allowed to speak at the assembly. In 1982 they were allowed ten minutes to speak at the UN, but that offer was rescinded just before it would have begun.
> >
> > Finally the Hopi were allowed to speak at the UN in 1992, with twenty speakers of which he (as part of the 1949 attempt) would close. He observed many empty seats, not realizing they had been scheduled during a recess; when he finally spoke, he later learned during that time the building was besieged by strong winds, as the 10 December Nor'Easter storm was immediately flooding underpasses with sudden rain. There was a blackout, and planes were grounded.
> >
> > The Hopi returned to the UN the next day, not to be heard, but to form a prayer circle.
> >
> > They were joined by Brazilians, Peruvians, and Mayans. The four points of the compass were invoked, and the power of nature was acknowledged to make its points - but the wind and rain, thunder and lightning had gone on long enough.
> >
> > The native people would like to return home.
> >
> > And within an hour, the wind and rain abated, the flooding receded, and air travel was possible again.
> >
> > When the disciples observed Jesus commanding the quieting of a storm, they wondered what manner of Man He was.
> >
> > Their oral traditions may have some errors, and are sufficiently vague to be better recognized in hindsight. The Hopi speaker explained how the Nazis abused their reversed Swastika symbol, which ideally represents male purity as a solar-human merging; the converse for females is the red Celtic Cross. And the Japanese Rising Sun symbol also provided the Axis forces power to shake the world through the Sun, then fall.
> >
> > The third instance would be involved with a red hat, and a character with eastern alliances.
> >
> > The 1995 speaker jumped to a conjecture that foreign powers would paratroop in to halt the horrifying Regime, interrogating the populace in Nuremberg-style inquests into why they did not prevent what was an obvious predictable descent into madness and atrocity, relinquishing their own precious freedom, to be witnessed devolving into an international pariah.
> >
> > A True White Brother would be the Supreme God Servant, Keeper of the Earth (equivalent to the Second Coming Messiah): his identity would be proven to the Hopi by providing the broken corner missing from the Fire Family Tablet. And He would execute judgment against those who had indulged in malicious maltreatment of the citizenry (mass executions of the First Reaping), reigning over Turtle Island in a single day (Seventh Trumpet). Uplifted as the embodiment of Messianic prophecy, the Hopi perceive the expectation as encompassing His own religion.
> >
> > There is some confusion regarding the Red Hat People prophecy, which seems to characterize a third instance of the abuse of a Solar Symbol, causing the Third Shaking.
> >
> > The Hopi were passing down complex ideas in figurative ways -
> >
> > 'When the iron bird flies,
> > Red-robed people who have lost their land will appear,
> > And the two brothers from across the Great Ocean will be reunited.'
> >
> > This could be about the Space Shuttle, Fall of the Soviet Union, or a parallel to the VI.21 August 2008 scenario where the unifying phrasing applied to the span of an astronomical event linking those of the Arctic pole, not the sort of cultural collaboration expected. Much more conclusive information has been derived from the Nostradamus quatrains, just recently determining line 1 of X.79 about refurbishing old roads meant President Biden signing the Infrastructure Plan into being 15 November 2021, with the next line pointing towards Zelensky accusing the Russians of genocide on 3 April 2022 (by alluding to the 4 April 1968 Memphis death of Dr King).
> >
> > The confusion is that the Messianic character is also described as having a red cloak, which could be the garment dipped in blood for The King of Kings in Revelation.
> >
> > The direction from which this Second Coming Christ figure would arrive to Turtle Island (the US) for Reign and Judgment is said to be a message in itself.
> >
> > 'If He arrives from the East,
> > The destruction will not be very great;
> >
> > But if He arrives from the West,
> > Do not clamber onto rooftops to see Him,
> > For He will be merciless.'
> >
> > The Hopi spokesman conveyed that while he was told there would be sudden darkness during some future event, this had been passed down without explanation as part of the Purification. Those who would be saved emerge through the Purification period remaining faithful to the will and commandments of The Great Creator.
> >
> > * The Purification / Preparation / Warning is likely the event whose timing is being pursued for early December 2022 *
> >
> > Having defined the Saturnin interval as the current Vestal reign resumed after a solar interruption, commencing with Saturn near the Descendant for Geneva, this period will terminate with the entry of Mercury into Capricorn. The Chiron solar aspect and lunar post-conjunct proximity manifested as short-term precursors. The Colorado Springs nightclub as the Tavern at Lombardy (via St Benignus) suggest the other proverbial 'shoe' of Fire soon to drop. Saturn reached twenty degrees under ominous circumstances, as suggested in IX.72.
> >
> > The only Geneva Fortune jump observed clearly involving Pallas for II.66 was at Dawn on 4 December 2022, Fortune leaping from the Pallas position to the Moon when the Sun crossed the Ecliptic.
> >
> > In line 3 of VI.70 the noise and light surpass the Heavens (Ouranos), so the cataclysmic onset should be after the lunar conjunct with Ouranos, which happens 5 December 2022 6:38 pm CET.
> >
> > The lunar square with Saturn appears the ominous aspect, occurring 6 December 2022 2:53 am CET - this aspect is joined by the East Point at nearly the same locational value. So while the Taurus Moon is squaring Saturn, it is also in quincunx with the East Point; and conversely, Saturn is in a lunar square, and a simultaneous trine with the East Point in Libra. In the minutes before the lunar square, the East Point moves between the positions of Mars and Saturn, forming yet another Grand Trine (optimal around 2:45am CET) that dissipates with the lunar square.
> >
> > The Corinth-Ephesus perplexity of III.3 implies a lunar aspect with Neptune, which is what happens next for the Moon, with the Neptune lunar sextile of 6 December 2022 7:36 am CET.
> >
> > The suggestion is that the catastrophe commences with the Saturn lunar square: the trembling begins, then Corinth and Ephesus are subsequently in perplexity.
> >
> > Geneva Dawn arrives 6 December 2022 8:09 am CET, bringing a jump for Fortune from around 4.5 degrees Cancer to the Moon around 23 degrees Taurus, which is moving into Grand Trine position with Pluto and Ceres (both around 26 degrees).
> >
> > The Moon traverses the positions of Ceres and Pluto to form the Grand Trine I am associating with the flood component of the cataclysm from 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET.
> >
> > The assumed Saturnin interval concludes when Mercury enters Capricorn 6 December 2022 11:09 pm CET. Whether the ensuing reign of Mercury constitutes the Great Mercury of X.79 is unknown, but it features Superpower Hercules receiving karmic payback for a flowering of lies.
> >
> > The missing element is Venus, which should be the esoteric recipient of the divine fury: there is only one notable moment for Venus between the Saturn lunar square and the Neptune lunar sextile: this is when Venus alone conjoins the East Point 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET.
> >
> > The Part of Fortune in Gemini will directly oppose the conjunction of Venus and the East Point in Sagittarius.
> >
> > So the Saturn lunar square itself merely seems to precede this Venus-East Point versus Fortune trigger, followed by the Neptune lunar sextile. The East Point only recently conspicuously appeared to 'assist' the critical formation of a Solar Grand Trine forming a Balance with a Sun-Fulcrum: this configuration in the Geneva chart 17 November 12:47 am CET showed Venus at the Nadir, 'Under The Balance,' at the same moment in the US the House of Representatives was announced for majority control (evening of 16 November 2022).
> >
> > Critical time for the cataclysmic onset is therefore projected for 6 December 2022 7:15 am CET / 1:15 am EST / 5 December 2022 10:15 pm PST.
> A partial summary of events figuring in the prophecies since the 25 October 2022 solar eclipse, towards timing of the predicted imminent fire-and-flood double cataclysm: --
>
> 25 October - Solar eclipse prominent for Northern Europe (I.52); on feast day of Trajan martyr Saint Minias (V.66) >
>
> 28 October - Home invasion attack on Paul Pelosi, potential subject in X.28, II.66 and I.52 >
>
> 29 October - Seoul Halloween Crowd Crush, X.28 >
>
> 2 November 7:38 am CET Neptune lunar adjacency for 'swimming in two seas' (II.52) in Geneva chart has Venus at Ascendant, as false rapport with Venus in X.28 >
>
> 8 November - Lunar eclipse >
>
> 15 Nov - Formation of Solar Grand Trine with Neptune (having Jupiter as backup) and Lilith-Pallas >
>
> 17 Nov 12:47 am CET - Venus as 'Queen For A Day' has her Geneva Nadir synchronized with US announcement of House majority decided for the Republicans; chart depicts Venus and Mercury 'Under The Balance' formed by the Solar Grand Trine, tipping to the Right on the Sun-Fulcrum >
>
> 20 November - Overnight shooting at Colorado Springs nightclub coincides with feast of Lombardy Saint Benignus, potentially a first-stage fulfillment for V.42 >
>
> 20 to 23 Nov - The Solar Grand Trine is sustained daily around 10:40 pm CET with the East Point substituting for Lilith-Pallas, and Jupiter taking the place of Neptune >
>
> 22 Nov 9:21 am CET - Sun enters Sagittarius, briefly supplanting a Vestal reign period >
>
> 22 Nov 10:48 pm CET - Vesta resumes her reign, yet with Saturn near the Descendant at the outset for Geneva this could be the enigmatic 'Saturnin' interval identifier for this resumed Vestal reign >
>
> 3 December 3:35 am CET - Chiron lunar conjunct, a phase of VI.70; feast of second Lombardy saint, Mirocles >
>
> 3 Dec 8:07 am CET - Saturn reaches twenty degrees Aquarius, as hinted in IX.72 >
>
> 4 December 8:07 am CET - Dawn jump for Fortune from Pallas to the Moon, as described in II.66 >
>
> 4 Dec 8:10 am CET - Chiron solar trine, another phase of VI.70 >
>
> 5 December 6:38 pm CET - Ouranos lunar conjunct, 'The Heavens being surpassed' from VI.70; feast of Saint Bassus, another martyr under Trajan in 250 (V.66) >
>
> 6 December 2:53 am CET - Saturn lunar square >
>
> 6 Dec 7:36 am CET - Neptune lunar sextile, as the perplexity of III.3 whose association exists during the sustained trembling >
>
> 6 Dec 8:09 am CET - Dawn brings a leap for Fortune from around 4-5 degrees Cancer to the Moon's position around 23 degrees Cancer >
>
> The influence of Saturn in IX.44 does not seem related to its lunar square, but the previously observed Grand Trine with Mars and the Midheaven point, which recurs when Venus is at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 9 am CET [/ 3 am EST].
>
> There is a simultaneous brief Solar Grand Trine with Chiron and the Vertex, knowingly foreshadowed by VI.70.
>
> And the Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, while several hours from reaching its peak, is oriented Upright, independent of the House system, as the Great Urn of X.50 threatening the deluge.
>
> So my original conjecture Venus must be at the Ascendant to 'receive' the cataclysm as her own remains likely.
>
> The 'Good Omen' of II.66 appears to be not a single Grand Trine, but a triplicity of them, all somewhat inexact, yet the major Lunar Grand Trine being vertically oriented.
>
> And the timing now scheduled precisely on the hour corresponds with the 'a l'heure' stipulation from I.38.
>
> 6 December 2:45 to 3:51 pm CET - Lunar Grand Trine with Pluto and Ceres, as the betraying 'Great Urn' of X.50, bringing extensive flooding; feast of Lorraine patron Saint Nicholas >
>
> 6 Dec 11:09 pm CET - Mercury enters Capricorn, ending the 'Saturnin' period (which was a resumed reign for Vesta) when the worst was endured (V.24), yet commencing the Great Mercury Reign of X.79, characterized by further extensive trembling --
>
> Le grand Mercure d'Hercules fleur-de-lis
> Faisant trembler terre, mer et contree

Just may have solved how the French prophecies tie in with the pouring of the Cup of Divine Fury for Venus as Mystery Babylon in Revelation, from animating the Geneva charts::

An alternate onset theory has Saturn rising at the Ascendant for Geneva 6 December 2022 12:09 pm CET, putting those which had been perceived as being Under The Balance 17 November 2022 12:47 am CET - Mercury, Venus, and the Sun - approaching the Midheaven point. There was a plural grouping inferred in V.42, with Venus emerging as one of three celestial bodies: this could be obscuring the underlying Venus-Babylon theme, while illuminating it.

The flood appears a consequence of the fire catastrophe, so the esoteric timing should connect them.

The Sun reaches Midheaven first, 6 December 2022 12:27 pm CET, with the Moon at the bottom Fulcrum of an Inverted Grand Trine including Pluto and Ceres, their top line seeming horizontal. When Saturn rose, the Balance seemed to be tipping slightly Left - so this Mobile Sign will rotate in the charts for the subsequent two conjunctions with Midheaven.

Venus is next, over an hour later at 1:15 pm CET, with the quirk of Ceres being joined by the Vertex, as they appear near the Descendant: this gives the effect of the Inverted Grand Trine as a Cup tipping to 'pour' its contents onto the Ecliptic.

Finally Mercury crosses Midheaven 1:33 pm CET - the Geneva chart shows Jupiter with the East Point at the Ascendant opposing the Vertex along the Ecliptic: thus at that point the pouring seems complete, so that central Venus was the recipient.

The hint from IX.44 to place Saturn at the Ascendant leads to viewing the Great Urn tipping when animating the Sun-Venus-Mercury succession meeting the Ascendant.

So Venus at the Midheaven point should be the critical moment -

6 December 2022 1:15 pm CET / 7:15 am EST / 4:15 am PST

The remark from I.38 could simply mean the scheduling was correctly determined beforehand.

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By: Curtis Eagal on Mon, 25 Apr 2022

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