On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 10:23:37 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 9:29:15 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 1:47:00 PM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 11:24:23 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 5:38:43 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 7:35:52 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:33:45 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:16:00 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 4:37:22 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:42:08 PM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:22:27 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 6:24:01 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 5:29:08 AM UTC-8, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-6, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:38:41 PM UTC-8, Bruce wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://dvk6to1kg8ie0.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/aPEd91M.jpeg
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the image Yoko used for the cover of her first post-Dec. 1980 album, Season of Glass.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any speculations as to why she would do this? Her own record company told Yoko this was in bad taste. Yoko herself stated that this cover was necessary to remind people that John had not died of old age or illness; he had been killed. That story does not make any sense because everyone was well aware of how he had died.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it could be to her a symbol of what her obsession with John was all about...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it was a crass gimmick to obtain attention and (Yoko hoped) sales. On her next album, Yoko superimposed an image of John onto a contemporary photograph of her and Sean. She also claimed to have received visits from John in the studio while she cranked out her dreadful music. This was all for publicity. She well into her relationship with decorator Sam Havadtoy (whom Lennon had deemed a "mercenary pretty boy") at the time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Guiliano, in Lennon in America, describes John's 'going back' to Yoko as involving substances that caused him to become violently ill (pp 77-78) in addition to all the usual trickery...
> > > > > > > > > > > That's one of the strangest episodes in all of LennOno. Yoko enticed John back to the Dakota by promising him a smoking cure; next thing, he was back at the Dakota -- still smoking, of course -- and Yoko was pregnant.
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> > > > > > > > > > > May Pang was on high alert prior to John's supposed smoking cure; she knew Yoko was up to something.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Then there's John Green's account of meeting Lennon at this time, with Ono telling Green: "I think John's been poisoned."
> > > > > > > > > > May was right. Yoko had her completely out-maneuvered....
> > > > > > > > > > Yoko's statement to John Green speaks volumes, imo...
> > > > > > > > > Yoko knew how to regress and dominate John. (Remember the disturbing Annie Leibovitz photograph of the naked Lennon clinging to the impassive, clothed Ono? John said that that image perfectly captured their relationship.) May mentions in her book that John acted as if he wanted her (May) to be a mother to him, while she wanted John to be a functioning adult.
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> > > > > > > > > So Yoko had this manipulativeness, and then you factor in the drugs, the occult, and Yoko's likely timing of John's arrival to occur when she was at maximum fertility.
> > > > > > > > I agree. I think we can now see the extent of Yoko's desperation to force John to return to her and keep him in her thrall until he was dead...
> > > > > > > > I too had that insight about Annie L's last photo of John and Yoko...John is completely open and has nothing to hide...while Yoko is shrouded in darkness and mystery...
> > > > > > > > I think this can also cause us to ask some tough questions about John's death...
> > > > > > > > https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/
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> > > > > > > > Pamela
> > > > > > > I believe MDC was a lone nut (and an acid-casualty; no surprise there) with no prior connections to Yoko.
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> > > > > > > However, I am very suspicious of why Yoko sent John into the so-called Bermuda Triangle at a time when Yoko was superstitious as she was and popular culture was full of rumors about the region's ability to swallow airplanes and ships. As Goldman cautiously wrote, this decision of Yoko's "demands to be pondered."
> > > > > > I see qualities of a man-can with MDC and John's assassination.....I can't seem to get away from that...
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> > > > > > And yes, I do consider it entirely possible that Yoko deliberately sent John into harm's way in the Bermuda trip...
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> > > > > > Pamela
> > > > > > (some of my tracks...https://open.spotify.com/artist/5OqS5IO1IFga3j0OHxqVPZ)
> > > > > I used to wonder about MDC's Japanese-American wife Gloria. How did such a disturbed and porcine guy end up with a delicate-featured, seemingly normal woman like her? Then I remember that she was raised in a strict religious environment -- and that this made her susceptible to MDC's Mansonesque religious mumbo-jumbo. And as for her seeming normality, wasn't she aware of his motive in traveling to New York City? This would make her morally responsible for failing to intervene.
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> > > > I consider Gloria a possible controller. She certainly knew how to push his buttons. And I do not think she has been completely honest with her answers.
> > > > > Back to Bermuda, I know of a respected professional musician who met with Sam Green on an anniversary of Lennon's murder. Green was Yoko's lover (she intended to marry him) at the time of the Bermuda trip. He was with Yoko when she learned that Lennon at made it through sea squalls to the island. Yoko looked at Sam and said, exasperatedly, "What are we going to do now?
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> > > > That speaks volumes, imo. I guess we have our answer. Thank you for sharing this...
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> > > > Pamela
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> > > > P.S. I don't know if I told you about my trip to NYC and the Dakota after John died. I went with a friend, also from Minnesota. We talked to a garage attendant who was there in the afternoon and that night when John was shot. He said John gave Chapman the Double Fantasy album and then signed it. He pointed out the private courtyard and said that if John's limo had let them out in there instead of on the street, he would have been safe, at least that day. He pointed out Yoko's boxy orangish car in the courtyard and showed us where their apartment was. He said Yoko and Sean were at home. There was a terrible energy there. I could not even comprehend it. When we returned to Minnesota a few days later my friend almost died of a collapsed lung. I have always wondered if Yoko had tried to put a curse on us...
> > > Thanks for the anecdote! Was the car a Mercedes station wagon?
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> > It could have been. Not unlike this one...
> > https://www.mercedesmotoring.com/cars/194/
> Yeah, I've seen photographs of their car, and it looked a lot like that, though it would have been a slightly earlier model. IIRC, Fred was driving John around when they heard McCartney's "Coming Up" on the radio, which may have been a catalyst in Lennon's return to songwriting.
> > > Even if I were unaware of Lennon's murder, I'd consider the Dakota forbidding-looking. There's a reason Polanski used that building -- rechristened the "Black Bramford" -- as the setting for Rosemary's Baby.
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> > It is indeed. Even the gargoyles seem ready to screech and attack you....it is ironic that it i also so beautiful...
> > https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/84653667971318015/
> I really like the intricacy of it.
> > And there is, of course, a tragic Beatles/Lennon connection to Rosemary's Baby through the Charles Manson murders. Sharon Tate was married to Polanski and frequently on the set during the filming...
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> And there was that weird episode during one of Lennon's drug- and alcohol-fueled rampages in L.A. during which Lennon kept insisting, "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" (It's not clear what the "it" in question is.)

That is truly bizarre...until you think of the possibility that John thought there was a curse on the Dakota because Polanski had filmed Rosemary's Baby there...