On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 5:19:33 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 5:49:22 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 6:44:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 5:52:24 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 5:57:40 AM UTC-5, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:56:42 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 6:24:55 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 8:21:20 AM UTC-5, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:39:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 3:43:15 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 7:33:46 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 3:38:29 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 8:14:02 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 3:03:22 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:47:10 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:05:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:20:41 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 8:34:04 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 6:46:50 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 3:56:17 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 12:45:43 PM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 9:23:59 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 9:00:55 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 6:24:16 AM UTC-7, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:28:05 AM UTC-7, Pamela Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-5, Norbert K wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon returning to his (borrowed from attorney Harold Seider) apartment on the evening of the Kotex Incident, Lennon went into a rampage, knocking Jesse Ed Davis uconscious with a liquor bottle and smashing furniture. Eventually, the police showed up. According to May Pang:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The police did not have a search warrant, yet they took a careful look around, probably for drugs. Then they told us not to make any more noise and left. Their visit had a sobering effect on Jesse, and he and [Jesse's girlfriend] Patti decided to leave soon afterward, taking their silent friend with them; I walked them to their car. As I stood on the street I heard John scream, "I hate Roman Polanski. He's no fuckin' good!" His voice was filled with equal parts of anger and anguish. He sounded just as he had on the night Spector had tied him up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dashed back to the apartment. John was upstairs. Shaking with rage, he had attacked the four-poster bed and was doing his best to break loose one of its posts. "It's Roman Polanski's fault!" he screamed. "Roman Polansk is to blame for everything." We had met Roman Polanski at a few parties, but John had never expressed any anger towards him. I watched as he systematically began to demolish the room.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Snip of description of Lennon's smashing every object in the apartment.]
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May says that she called Yoko for advice. Yoko told her to summon Elliot Mintz. When John heard the name Elliot, his fury increased: "Elliot! I don't want that Jew bastard in my house! I'll kill him if he comes through the door!" Mintz was outside at the time; he heard John's scream and drove back to his house.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upon waking up in the morning, John was most saddened by his destruction of a Martin guitar: "This is the first time in all these years that I've destroyed something that belonged to me." On being told about Mintz's brief stop, Lennon observed sarcastically: "He's a very brave man."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is valuable that we have May's recollections. At the same time, however, we must acknowledge that her job was to be Yoko's mini-me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before she and John left for Los Angeles, May mostly carried out Ono's instructions.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, I don't think May toned down her recollections in Loving John and in interviews out of deference to Yoko. Otherwise, why would Yoko have sent Mintz out to claim he had documentary proof that *everything in her book* was untrue?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, May gave a talk and took questions at some sort of Beatlesfest in the 1980s. Mintz also appeared -- and denied May's claims. Later, some of the Beatles fans met at a nearby bar -- as did May and Mintz. May demanded, "Why do you say those things about me, Elliot? You know it's all true!" Mintz responded with, "Yes, but you know Yoko doesn't want you talking about it."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in private, Mintz admitted that what he was giving to the public was bullshit. Hey, he could get a job at Fox News!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to wonder if John's Polanski rant was a portent that he too might become a victim of the 'Rosemary's Baby Curse'...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://societyofrock.com/is-john-lennon-a-victim-of-the-rosemarys-baby-curse/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder what it was that inspired that rant. Did Lennon sense that Polanski was -- as Sharon Tate herself eventually described him in private -- a "little creep"?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Polanski was talented and successful, but Tate was way out of his league looks-wise. She was also much more psychologically normal. Polanski subjected Tate to disgusting and degrading things (some of which come up in Chaos by Tom O'Neil).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To add another odd irony, Sharon and Roman were said to have had dinner with Bobby Kennedy shortly before his assassination...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharon and Roman also spent a good deal of time with Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow. I suspect that, if Sinatra knew the sort of twisted stuff Roman had been subjecting Sharon to, he'd have kicked Roman's ass.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Sinatra instructed a waiter to punch Dominick Dunne in the head once, because he knew Dunne was using his wealthy wife Ellen Griffin Dunne, as a "beard.")
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good points...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RFK, however, was assassinated....another terrible Murder Most Foul...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So John was living in a house very possibly full of Kennedy/Monroe ghosts, not all that far from where the Tate-LaBianca' murders took place (one of them was.a Rosemary) and he's throwing a fit about Roman Polanski...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makes sense to me...
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pamela
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. And I just remembered that Peter Lawford had called Marilyn to invite her to a party at his place on the night she died. He was concerned by how drugged she sounded. When he learned that she had died, he was consumed with guilt at his failure to go to her place and obtain help for her. This was a likely factor in Lawford's own long, slow downward spiral.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Marilyn thought Peter was her fried. She had a number of Kennedy connections when she died...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I recall correctly, as her phone call with Lawford approached its end, Marilyn asked him to say goodbye to John and Robert Kennedy for her. Lawford should at the very least have sent someone over to check up on her.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, that's what he said...kind of convenient....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the standard interpretation (likely suicide, with JFK's break-up with her as the trigger) of Marilyn Monroe's death is true. She was so shaky emotionally and on a disturbing overabundance of prescription drugs that the end of that relationship was enough to send her over the edge.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn's housekeeper was so alarmed by the actress' dark mood that very day that she sent for Monroe's psychiatrist. He in turn was sufficiently concerned that he asked the housekeeper to stay overnight to keep an eye on the troubled star. Nobody else was in the Brentwood house.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That is all part of the coverup.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Marilyn put herself in the crosshairs by singing Happy Birthday to JFK at Madison Square Garden.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bobby may have been at he house that last day.
> > > > > > > > > > > That intoxicated performance of "Happy Birthday" is supposedly what led JFK to dump her. It's very sad. However, I do not believe she was murdered.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't think Marilyn was drunk that night...and I think Jackie gave JFK an ultimatum...
> > > > > > > > > It was the prescription meds that did her in. She passed out while attempting to speak to a telephone operator.
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> > > > > > > > > Do you have the Reelz channel, Pamela? There's a great episode on Monroe's death in their "Autopsy: The Last Hours of..." series.
> > > > > > > > Your opinion. You are entitled. I don't agree.
> > > > > > > > I haven't watched that show, but I have read Noguchi's book....I think he leaves some things out...
> > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Coroner-Noguchi/dp/0671624938
> > > > > > > And Noguchi later changed his position regarding Marilyn's death...
> > > > > > > https://www.upi.com/Archives/1985/10/31/Noguchi-says-Monroe-case-should-be-reopened/5453499582800/
> > > > > > IMO, unaccounted-for bruises don't imply murder. A person as over-drugged on prescription meds and who regularly topped them off with hard liquor will stumble into objects.
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> > > > > > Marilyn's housekeeper was there that night to keep an eye on the troubled actress. You'd have to postulate that the housekeeper was in on any conspiracy against Monroe. But if she were participating in some sinister scheme against Marilyn, why would she have called the star's psychiatrist and summon him to the home?
> > > > > You are the one who brought up Noguchi's autopsy...
> > > > Norbert,
> > > > Do you have any idea what the process was that let John and May to rent Peter Lawford's beach house? Did John have Kennedy connections?
> > > > Thanks...
> > > Hey, Pamela, I've looked into this a bit. According to Goldman, it was *Harry Nilsson* who made the rental arrangements for the rental of the house at 625 Palisades Beach Drive. He made the arrangements when Lennon told him of his wish to create an asylum for aging rock & rollers.
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> > > I have still not been able to determine who owned the grand house at that time.
> > Thank you so much, Norbert. That makes sense.
> > I have a copy of Goldman, but I just look at it. It painted such a dark picture of John I was unable to read it. I'll try again....
> I think that, now that the dust has settled, Goldman's book is worth a fresh look. Yoko's threatened lawsuit never materialized. Many of Goldman's supposedly outrageous claims -- e.g., about Lennon's drug use, violence, and bisexuality -- have since been confirmed (in some cases, by the same individuals who initially disputed them).
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> Some of Goldman's purported critics would shriek that Goldman accused Lennon of murdering Stu Sutcliffe. The problem with that is that it is a lie; Goldman wrote no such thing.
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> From your recollection, Pamela, what's the worst thing Goldman wrote about John?

When I first approached Goldman I expected a balanced biography. I was simply horrified that anyone could say such terrible things about John and have them published. However, at that time, I was quite naive about how bad John's behavior and drug addiction were. So I just shut the door, and gave the book away.

Goldman just seemed a dead end. That was even harder for me to deal with than the 'nowhere man'...

Since then, I have bought another copy, but just have just looked at it, as though it were the devil incarnate. However, now I know, as you have already said, that a lot of things Goldman says have been confirmed elsewhere, and now I have a much deeper understanding of what John got himself into.

And now I see all of this as part of the cover-up about what was really happening to John. The intent was to dehumanize him so that we would not go looking for answers greater than the 'lone-nut' theory about why he was killed...

https://inbroaddaylight.wordpress.com/2022/01/01/was-the-untimely-death-of-john-lennon-another-murder-most-foul/

Pamela