Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:mspoeg9utkqq2kle5ethrs473erbh3b6hr@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 18:05:56 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
>>news:8b4791d9-b85b-44fc-8cd9-1058c7f573c0n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 11 July 2021 at 12:31:49 UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 04:24:57 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
>>>> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Saturday, 10 July 2021 at 19:03:58 UTC+1, Ninapenda
>>>> >Jibini wrote:
>>>> >> Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>> >> news:upgjegd9i3g0iev4q...@4ax.com:
>>>> >> > On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 10:15:36 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>> >> > Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>Robert Carnegie <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote in
>>>> >> >>news:158ea6c2-0ed0-4578...@googlegroups.com:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> On Thursday, 8 July 2021 at 17:21:37 UTC+1, J. Clarke
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 20:00:29 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob
>>>> >> >>>> <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 4:42:18 PM UTC-4,
>>>> >> >>>> >Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >> Paul S Person <pspe...@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>>>> >> >>>> >> news:uijbegl9snlqrafg8...@4ax.com:
>>>> >> >>>> >> > On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 09:00:14 +1200, Titus G
>>>> >> >>>> >> > <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>On 7/07/21 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> On 2021-07-06 8:55 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> In these situations, depending on exactly
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> what you are referring to, it may be useful
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> to consider "deeply held religious belief" as
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> a possible explanation.
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> I haven't the foggiest idea what you're
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> talking about.
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>Paul is a Christian zealot. At some level he
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>realises that this is stupidity as it restricts
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>his thinking so when arguing, he tries to
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>criticise people's opinions on other matters by
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>classifying them as "deeply held religious
>>>> >> >>>> >> >>beliefs".
>>>> >> >>>> >> >
>>>> >> >>>> >> > IIRC, I actually picked it up from some
>>>> >> >>>> >> > atheists.
>>>> >> >>>> >> For some (including some here), atheism is a
>>>> >> >>>> >> "deeply held religious belief." And they *really*
>>>> >> >>>> >> hate it when someone points that out. --
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >There's a difference between "we haven't encountered
>>>> >> >>>> >anything we could accurately call a deity, yet" and
>>>> >> >>>> >"such (a) being(s) absolutely does not exist." - (or
>>>> >> >>>> >even can't!)
>>>> >> >>>> >
>>>> >> >>>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_pr
>>>> >> >>>> >ob abilit y
>>>> >> >>>> I have had Atheists tell me that if the encountered a
>>>> >> >>>> being who had verifiably created the Universe with
>>>> >> >>>> foreknowledge of everything that would happen in it
>>>> >> >>>> and the ability to make any arbitrary change at will,
>>>> >> >>>> they would refuse address that entity as "God".
>>>> >> >>>> Presumably part of said being's plan is that they not
>>>> >> >>>> do that after which they turn into frogs or some
>>>> >> >>>> such.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> My atheism consists of not worshipping gods.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>You're one of the ones either too dishonest or too
>>>> >> >>stupid to distinguish between atheism and agnosticism.
>>>> >> >>Either you just don't understand the difference, or you
>>>> >> >>are deliberately trying to decieve people.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>Or both.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Or it is a deeply-held religious belief.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > You really should consider that in these situations.
>>>> >> I have already pointed out that atheism is a deeply held
>>>> >> religious belief for some.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But that has nothing to do with Bobbie's persistent misuse
>>>> >> of the word "atheism" to refer to agnosticism. Regardless
>>>> >> of what the ultimate reason is, in the end, it boils down
>>>> >> to "he's too stupid to know the difference or he's lying."
>>>> >> As I said.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You, of course, are even stupider.
>>>> >
>>>> >Define agnosticism then. Without looking anything up.
>>>> >
>>>> >Gods, or in practice priests, are only interested
>>>> >in whether a person does or does not conduct
>>>> >themself to satisfy the gods, or in practice
>>>> >the priests. It is your words and deeds that
>>>> >constitute worship, not your thoughts, except
>>>> >as your thoughts initiate your actions.
>>>> >
>>>> >Someone who does not worship gods is an atheist.
>>>> Even one who does not worship because it is a tenet of their
>>>> faith that the gods do not want to be worshipped?
>>>
>>> That is tricky.
>>
>>That is the question that makes you look *stupid*.
>>
>>> But I hold that if the Almighty is
>>> indifferent to worship then the Almighty is not,
>>> in fact, a god; that being worshipped is what the
>>> word "god" means. The word really refers to a
>>> relationship, as does "husband". You can't be
>>> a husband by yourself, other people need to
>>> be involved.
>>
>>Your belief is a freakish outlier, and when you claim it
>>represents the beliefs of billions of theists, you look *stupid*
>>and *dishonest*.
>
> To be fair, it /is/ the view promoted in /Clash of the Titans/
> and perhaps a few other films.
>
> Not to mention the Incarnations of Immortality series.

And, being a moron, you believe that matters.
>
>>But with you, that's just a day that ends in "y."
>
> Or he's just so far into SF that he can't see straight on this
> topic.

That's pretty much what I said. He's freakishly deluded.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB