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Re:_A_question_about_the_singers_on_Paul_van_Nevel (thread)

Posted: 55 Minutes ago by: Todd M. McComb

Yes, I saw it in my web file.... Benet I know, Dudley doesn't ring a bell.

Re: A_question_about_the_singers_on_Paul_van_Nevel’s_C (thread)

Posted: 1 Hour 7 Minutes ago by: Mandryka

The booklet lists two tenors, Benet and John Dudley.

A_question_about_the_singers_on_Paul_van_Nevel’s_C

Posted: 1 Hour 22 Minutes ago by: Todd M. McComb

It's an old recording (from 1980) that I don't have around anymore, but if it's Josep Benet, he was on a lot of recordings.... It depends on what that means I guess, but Van Nevel continues to put out new material, so he's clearly valua

Posted: 1 Hour 56 Minutes ago by: Mandryka

Who’s singing Aler men veus on CD 3, track 2? And one of the parts in Chi vole amar, the first track on CD 2. I like his voice. The lute player is good too - I guess it’s Christine Frantzen going by Todd’s website. This Huelgas

Posted: 2 Hours 40 Minutes ago by: Andy Evans

And......?

Re: (OT) RIP Astrud Gilberto (thread)

Posted: 2 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Andy Evans

Made a big splash in the Bossa era. Quite a pin-up too. RIP

Re: (OT) RIP Astrud Gilberto (thread)

Posted: 5 Hours 4 Minutes ago by: HT

That was more than half a century ago. May she rest in peae. Henk

(OT) RIP Astrud Gilberto

Posted: 7 Hours 49 Minutes ago by: Chris J.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jun/06/astrud-gilberto-bossa-nova- singer-of-the-girl-from-ipanema-dies-aged-83 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdaFQhS86E Chris

Posted: 9 Hours 53 Minutes ago by: Dan Koren

And the most recent is from .....1964 ?!? dk

Posted: 14 Hours 6 Minutes ago by: Pluted Pup

"This letter says, "More than 95 percent of all GM crops are engineered to either synthesize an insecticide (Bt toxin) or to tolerate a broad spectrum herbicide (e.g. Roundup, Liberty) or both." GM crops are a scam but it has nothing to

Posted: 14 Hours 35 Minutes ago by: Richard Kaplan

Yes, I also got the corrected disc in the older edition. The contents (all d'Indy, including a luminous 2nd Symphony) were actually split over THREE discs in the "Complete Album Collection," which was chronological by recording date. I was

Re: New Ferenc Fricsay compilation on DG (thread)

Posted: 16 Hours 26 Minutes ago by: gggg gggg

Carbon dioxide: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/carbon-dioxide-reaches-record-level-in-the-atmosphere

Posted: 18 Hours 1 Minute ago by: Steven de Mena

It includes this 4 CD set of mostly boring Mozart early symphonies: https://amzn.to/3NeqWeb • Radio broadcasts (1951-1954) uncovered in the archives of Deutschlandfunk Kultur – newly remastered and made available for the first time

Posted: 18 Hours 18 Minutes ago by: vhorowitz

Rich, BMG DID fix the original off pitch disk in the older (15 cd?) Monteux collection, although I’m not sure how easy it was to get a replacement copy in those pre-internet days. I did manage to get it. Ward Marston, who did the tra

RIP Kaija Saariaho

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Hours 35 Minutes ago by: steve

I have heard a few things by her. Anyone care to make a few recommendations?

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Hours 39 Minutes ago by: Marc S

Okay... I think I really thought enough about the different mozart recordings... Serail: Beecham Nozze: Karajan (1950) DG: Walter Cosi: Karajan Zauberflöte: Beecham, Karajan these are my favourites... only in Zauberflöte I can't seem t

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 21 Hours 7 Minutes ago by: Marc S

noooo... Furtwängler just doesn't work... it's just too heavy...

Posted: 21 Hours 41 Minutes ago by: Marc S

Furtwängler is really good! All 3 of them! Very beautiful phrasing and singing, and also a lot of fire and lava! What nonsense did I say... My taste has changed quite a bit since I last listened to Furtwängler in DG.... or... in some wa

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 22 Hours 37 Minutes ago by: Pluted Pup

So JPC is better than Amazon.

Re: Is Pauline van der Rest Janine Jansen's heir? (thread)

Posted: 23 Hours 13 Minutes ago by: Marc S

Okay, so back to OT: Screw Mitropoulos... he has such a great cast, but he screws it all up... no fire in his DG... I mean more than in Krips', but that ain't saying much.... and honestly, he is just very bad... like I oftne have the fe

Re: NYT: Music as Political Tool in the Service of the Reich

Posted: 1 Day 1 Hour ago by: AB

Re: NYT: Music as Political Tool in the Service of the Reich

Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Could this book have influenced Hitler and the Nazis?: https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/humanities.classics/c/YC2oxYZ0J14

Re: NYT: Music as Political Tool in the Service of the Reich

Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Scroll to the bottom of the following for a slide show on 'degenerate art': https://www.dw.com/en/could-adolf-hitlers-seizure-of-power-have-been-prevented/a-64536596

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 2 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/humanities.music.composers.wagner/c/kGkMr64_jWM

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

Hang on now…..you’re going OT of the OT!

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I pulled out my notes on this and found my following top recommendations, this would have been after listening to them on YT or Spotify. Feuermann/Berlin State Opera/Taube 1928 - Terrific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYaWJExOBRs Feue

New Ferenc Fricsay compilation on DG

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I used to have an LP with Ludwig Hoelscher and Josef Keilberth. I thought that was pretty good, and a good recording also. I'm not a fan of Rostropovich despite his reputation.

REQUEST: Bantock Sapphic Poem and Hamabdil (Rapahel Wallfisch)

Posted: 1 Day 3 Hours ago by: Kepler

https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/en/catalogue/products/ferenc-fricsay-complete-recordings-on-deutsche-grammophon-13000?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=938334_DG_Deutsche%20Grammophon_KW%2020_AW_DOT_NL_POT_MWB_1006752

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 9 Hours ago by: Rob Barnett

I have hopes that somewhere amongst the SymphonyShare ranks there is a recordings of items played at a 2013 BBC Prom. The works I am seeking are two by Granville Bantock for cello and orchestra They are the 15 or so minute Sapphic Poem an

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

Another update wrt another topic - not that anyone remembers or cares: Somewhere in this ng I said sth stupid about Yishai Fleisher - him being "dangerous" - what nonsense... I had false infos about him, should have looked into it a bit

Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Every 2 seconds would be even better! ;-) dk

Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Forget Casals, crawl out of your cave and listen to Kian Soltani: https://youtu.be/2oiUkS0SaXo https://youtu.be/URfcBjipYxQ https://youtu.be/h-Rcff4SObk https://youtu.be/Z7Yu4n3lLl4 dk

Posted: 1 Day 13 Hours ago by: Richard Kaplan

I just found JPC's e-mail in my spam folder--they will send the two replacement CDs as soon as they get them. Now, what about the d'Indy items in RCA's Monteux box that were mastered a half-step low? Did Sony ever fix this? Rich

Re: Bruch's Kol Nidre

Posted: 1 Day 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Upcoming radio program featuring Casals: https://www.wfmt.com/2023/06/11/the-artistry-of-pablo-casals-part-ii

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Upcoming radio program featuring Casals playing Dvorak: https://www.wfmt.com/2023/06/04/the-artistry-of-pablo-casals-part-i

Posted: 1 Day 18 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "'WHO KILLED JAZZ?' | The Ben Makinen Interview"

Re: Saariaho dead at 70 (thread)

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 19 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

[snip] I have been watching Wayne McGregor's ballet Limen (2009) which is danced to Saariaho's 'Notes on Light', with Anssi Karttunen playing the incredible cello solo part with the Orchestra of the Royal Opera House, conducted by forme

Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Why do you have to decide? Today you can be one or the other, or both, or neither. -Owen

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 21 Hours ago by: Ed Presson

"Al Eisner" wrote in message news:alpine.LRH.2.00.2306041332570.28014@iris02.slac.stanford.edu...

Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Gerard

Trolls cannot decide about this. They are neither.

Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

https://www.newworldrecords.org/products/brian-baumbusch-chemistry-for-gamelan-and-string-quartet I was completely unfamiliar with Baumbusch prior to noticing this release, but he's a US composer working with Balinese gamelan. In fact -

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 22 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

Vagn Holmboe's 13 symphonies are new to me. After a little sampling I picked up the BIS CD of 6 and 7, wih Owain Arwel Hughes conducting the Aarhus Symphony Orchestra. The music grows on me, especially #6. Any particular favorites among h

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Maybe if you make a call to our California state officials they'll send you some hormones in the mail, no questions asked.

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 1 Day 23 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1334239352-1602157553-1685907354=:28014 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; form

Re: OT? - Will something like this cause WWIII, or, Dr. Strangelove revisited? (thread)

Posted: 2 Days ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "Why capitalism is inherently imperialist: Class struggle at the international level"

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 2 Days ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "Chinese warship's close encounter with US destroyer"

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Latest release from Henry Threadgill: https://henrythreadgill.bandcamp.com/album/the-other-one Threadgill was one of several prominent musicians in the AACM (Chicago), his band "Air" being especially influential in an earlier era, moved

Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

I think Walter Berry is not good btw... Janowitz neither... Gedda neither... actually most singers aren't, even the famous ones... 1960 Karajan is interesting... but Berry... and Waechter... eh... 1968 Karajan with Ghiaurov etc... also i

Posted: 2 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

If the dutch people had learned "anything" from the shoah, there wouldn't be an exodus of the dutch Jews - as was recently linked by Dan - hm?

Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

You don't care a single bit about the shoah and the six million, all you are about is yourself, Henk.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

I am not speaking about it lightly; you have forgotten about it, and I thought you needed a reminder. One reason the shoah was possible, was because "sensible" people like you, Henk, only cared for themselves. You haven't learned a singl

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Actually I'm still deciding whether I want to be a woman or a man ;D

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Actually I'm still deciding whether I want to be a female or a male ;D

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 4 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

So, are you really Brigitte, or are you Marc S? Not that there's anything wrong with it. -Owen

Posted: 2 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

Okay guys I need it... now Walter is one of my favourite conductors as well..

Re: OT: What is a sewing machine? (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: KimDenmark

Original dutch: https://www.dbnl.org/tekst/osta002gedi02_01/osta002gedi02_01_0103.php Translation into english: https://www.poetryinternational.com/en/poets-poems/poems/poem/103-6643_HOMAGE-TO-SINGER

Posted: 2 Days 7 Hours ago by: HT

Even Pluted Pup doesn't speak lightly about the Holocaust. Henk

Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: HT

That would be wihtin an arm's reach. Should one feel morally responsible for F1 races in Zandvoort? Henk

Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

You can enjoy your Frikandeln and your Frietjes the next time the Jews are being gassed - no problem ;)

Posted: 2 Days 8 Hours ago by: James Goodzeit

I suppose enjoying a bowl of shark fin soup because the waiter who recommended it was such a charming fellow is an example of that way of thinking.

Re: CADENZAS... (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Derived from LvB cadenzas. dk

Re: CADENZAS... (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Edwin Fischer. dk

CADENZAS...

Posted: 2 Days 12 Hours ago by: MELMOTH

Ave... I'm listening to *Edwin FISCHER* again... Does anyone know who wrote the cadenzas (1st and 3rd movements) of Mozart's piano concerto in D minor, recorded in 1954?... Thanks in advance...

Posted: 2 Days 12 Hours ago by: mswd...@gmail.com

Sorry- unlike the Ormandy mono box where Sony reps took requests directly, all I know is that JPC should take care of my needs this time. Anyone else got any info?

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Richard Kaplan

I just confirmed by A/B listening that the two versions of La Mer on CDs 37 and 40 are both the 1957 version. What do I have to do to get Decca to send me the correct discs 20 and 37? Rich

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Haha ;D I just want to put you all through the hell I'm going through in finding my favourite recordings of Mozart operas... I think I was wrong about Walter's DG, it's actually really good, though a bit relentless at times, I might need

Posted: 2 Days 13 Hours ago by: Brigitte

Haha ;D I just want to put you all through the hell I'm going through in finding my favourite recordings of these operas... Still wondering whether I need Walter's DG recording - it is actually quite good, even though a bit relentless at

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 14 Hours ago by: mswd...@gmail.com

I've just ripped all the relevant CDs in the "stereo" box and the one in the Italian " French" box. The timings all match. The Italian box states it has the '64 recording, but the waveforms there match nearly identically the waveforms for

Posted: 2 Days 15 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

Re: OT: Who is Melmoth? (thread)

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

I do feel it needs acknowledging that both of these guys are now posting AI spew to the group, totally unprompted. 8g's was even posting endlessly about tech dystopias, and now he's posting their crap straight up? Maybe, like the movies

Re: Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

Yeah Marc S…. geez, I’ve bought six different sets tonight only to have to return five of them already based on your recommendations, then taking them back, then putting them back, and taking them back, then putting them back. I’m

Re: OT: Anti-semitism in the Netherlands? Who would have thought ?!? (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 16 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

I have the Milstein/Abbado/Wiener... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt18cAQ90uA https://www.amazon.com/Tchaikovsky-Mendelssohn-Concertos-Claudio-Abbado/dp/B00000E3EI/ref=sr_1_1?crid=5T3SUNONP0GT&keywords=mendelssohn+violin+Milstein%2FA

Re: The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000 (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Mind you they might be anwerable to a charge of historic homophobia. Look what that little Dutch boy did to that lady in the overalls with the short back and sides who fell off her Harley Davidson ... Andrew Clarke Canberra

Re: Verbier Festival will be livestreamed (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 18 Hours ago by: LarryLap

A card included in the original issue of the later recordings of Symphonies 1-8 includes the following explanation: "Containing the maestro's final interpretative wishes, this new cycle replaces his Berlin set issued by Deutsche Grammo

Posted: 2 Days 19 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Is this a correction to the term "The Revolution will not be televised?" This may escape some younger readers of this group, those in their fifties. -Owen

Re: The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000 (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 19 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

I've decided to listen to _Vortex temporum_ too -- seems more the sort of forces I enjoy elsewhere in 1990s pieces....

Verbier Festival will be livestreamed

Posted: 2 Days 20 Hours ago by: Steven de Mena

The Mozart Piano Concerto 16 with Serkin was a mistake. They’ve produced discs for it and one should be able to get it from your etailer or DG.. Don’t ask me how. Steve

Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.medici.tv/en/partners/verbier-festival-on-medicitv

Re: OT: Who is Melmoth? (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 21 Hours ago by: Lawrence Kart

I have a copy of the Maturin novel.Looks very interesting but also very dense.

Posted: 2 Days 22 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Are the CDs itself wrong or is it just the booklet?

Re: OT: Who is Melmoth? (thread)

Re: The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000 (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Perhaps Melmoth wonders if you are to dump "AI" garbage on the newsgroup like Gggg? The Bing Google web searchers are bad enough with their shallow results and reducing it further to "AI" is just more of the same.

Re: The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000 (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

The box you referred to are the 2001 recordings except the 2000 Berlin 9th is re-edited. From my recollection the 1-8 Rome 2001 symphonies were originally video-only: https://www.amazon.com/Symphonies-Complete-MATTILA-URMANA-BERLIN/dp/B

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Right, there is no legitimate reason to exclude them from a Complete set! No where in the set is it acknowledged that it is excluded. The back of the book apologizes for a handful of specific unavailable recordings on CD and DVD that cou

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Re: Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: Zainab Ali

Have you found anyone? currently looking for a coach

Re: OT: Anti-semitism in the Netherlands? Who would have thought ?!? (thread)

Posted: 2 Days 23 Hours ago by: HT

I did! The performance has everything the concerto needs. Even the sound is remarkably good. But we must not forget our contemporaries. Henk

Re: Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti (thread)

Posted: 3 Days ago by: Andrew Clarke

I wasn't going to respond, but I rather like Dutchmen ... Andrew Clarke Canberra

Re: Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

please consider Kreisler 1926............. AB

Re: Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 2 Hours ago by: HT

It's a great recording by Campoli. My favorite is Midori/Jansons/Berliner. Henk

Re: Recommendations sought for Mendelssohn violin concerti (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIXAQN3Upuw. It's on YouTube, like many other rarities. I love Campoli - you're not saying anything controversial. Awesome tone.

Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: cedaru

My favorite is Campoli on Decca, but unfortunately the original costs over 1k. It is one of Decca's best, as is Campoli's Tchaikovsky or Oistrakh's Scottish Fantasia. Same level. Joan Field on Telefunken is very good. On digital, Heifetz

Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: HT

Why wouldn't that be a sensible way of thinking? Henk

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 3 Hours ago by: number_six

My only encounter with Grisey is the Espaces Acoustiques. I found the music engaging but probably not of enduring interest.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Gerard

What we need is quicker updates. Every 2 minutes!

Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Quick update: Fricsay sucks completely... and what an awful Papageno... I was very wrong about him being better in Zauberflöte than Karajan... Karajan's phrasing etc is much better... Okay... I need Karajan's Zauberflöte.

Re: OT: Anti-semitism in the Netherlands? Who would have thought ?!? (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 4 Hours ago by: James Goodzeit

Also indicative of thinking that moral responsibility for anything ends beyond an arm's reach.

Posted: 3 Days 6 Hours ago by: Herman

Note also the pointed question meant to provoke hate here. As if someone was going to ask this idiot DK whether he's got anything to do with the police shooting George Floyd. DK is about hate, and nothing but hate.

Re: OT: What is a sewing machine? (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: HT

Re: OT: Who is Pluted Pup? (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: HT

Isn't 'pluted' a misspelling of 'polluted'? Henk

Re: musica Dei donum 22 May 2023 (thread)

Re: OT: Anti-semitism in the Netherlands? Who would have thought ?!? (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 7 Hours ago by: sci.space

Thanks for posting the link to the review site, was recently wondering what happened. I will have to find the Van Eyck disk, sounds interesting and those works are some of my favorites to play. I will bookmark the site.

Re: OT: Anti-semitism in the Netherlands? Who would have thought ?!? (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

We need another antisemitism thread like a hole in the head.....

Re: The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000 (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

I do not think this means that crowds of men in peaked caps, baggy blue trousers and bright yellow clogs are throwing stones at Mhr Berensteyn's shop. I note the observation in this article that "religious Jews" wear special clothes in

Posted: 3 Days 9 Hours ago by: Gerard

AFAIK Abbado was very dissatisfied with this 2000 cycle (made in Berlin) and wanted to 'replace' it with his 2001 cycle (live in Rome, originally on video), except for nr. 9: https://www.amazon.com/Symphonies-Complete-MATTILA-URMANA-BERLI

OT: What is a sewing machine?

Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I'm unable to help you with that, as I'm only a language model and don't have the necessary information or abilities. (according to Bard)

OT: Who is Pluted Pup?

Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

There is no one named Pluted Pup. The word "Pluted" is a misspelling of "Pluto," the Roman god of the underworld. The word "Pup" is a slang term for a young dog. So, "Pluted Pup" is a nonsense phrase that doesn't refer to anyone in particul

OT: Who is Melmoth?

Posted: 3 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Melmoth is a legendary figure who appears in many different forms in literature and folklore. The most famous version of Melmoth is the titular character of Charles Maturin's 1820 Gothic novel Melmoth the Wanderer. In this novel, Melmoth i

Posted: 3 Days 12 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Indeed, the included discussion dutifully notes the ending to Grisey's _Derives_ (1973/74) as "a transcendent conclusion like a sunrise on the water." I don't know that the music is making a particularly strong impression, although I'm i

Saariaho dead at 70

OT: Anti-semitism in the Netherlands? Who would have thought ?!?

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Oscar

<< The Finnish composer Kaija Saariaho passed away peacefully at home in Paris this morning, her publisher has announced She was 70 yrars old and had been suffering from a debilitating illness that was all too apparent at the recent prem

Re: The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000 (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-jewish-leaders-debate-communitys-future-in-europe-their-kids-are-already-leaving/ Herman, do you have anything to do with it? dk

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: drh8h

I don't know if the set here https://tinyurl.com/aa73kxnm explains it or not, but didn't Abbado "disown" the first eight symphonies of the originally published Berlin cycle. It is strange they are not included, as he authorized their

Posted: 3 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Concerning being "...very consistent with the timing of the piece...", wasn't Monteux also like that?

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://futurism.com/the-byte/google-exec-ai-global-catastrophe

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/humans-have-crossed-7-of-8-planetary-boundaries-what-it-means-4085062

Posted: 3 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.nola.com/news/environment/earth-is-in-the-danger-zone-study-says/article_575b6e0e-009a-11ee-96d8-5b9716a2fd6b.html

Re: Otto Klemperer - a monumental life on record - article (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://weather.com/en-IN/india/climate-change/news/2023-06-02-humanity-exceeded-most-safe-limits-for-survival-on-earth-study

Posted: 3 Days 19 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Gramophone mentions a 24 CD Archiphon set but doesn't describe it, it's the UPC 4250323727429 : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Legendary-Amsterdam-Concerts-1947-1961-Limitierte/dp/B0953ZL7N8

musica Dei donum 22 May 2023

The In-Complete Abbado: missing Beethoven 1-8 from 2000

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Hey, where's the musica Dei donum posts we used to get regularly? CD reviews (http://www.musica-dei-donum.org/cd_reviews.html) (22 May 2023) "Amor tiranno - Broken-hearted lovers in seventeenth-century Venice" Carlo Vistoli, Sezione Aure

Posted: 3 Days 20 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

The Complete 257 CD box set of Abbado doesn't have enough CDs. It is missing the Beethoven symphonies 1-8 recorded in 1999-2000. It just has the 9th. There is no legitimate reason to permanently delete most of the 2000 cycle, and it belon

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Marc S. appears to be the ultimate example of a nut who worships the nut tree. dk

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Marc S

hmmm maybe I have to give a little more thought wrt Fricsay...

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 3 Days 21 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

"The personality type Adorno et al. identified can be defined by nine traits that were believed to cluster together as the result of childhood experiences. These traits include conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggr

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

Na, I don't need Fricsay's Zauberflöte or Serail... I don't like his conducting style (and also some of the singers)... I mean it's okay... but he is no Beecham, Karajan, E. Kleiber or Mitropoulos... So my favourite Mozart opera recordi

Posted: 3 Days 22 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

https://wdrsinfonieorchester.bandcamp.com/album/g-rard-grisey-d-rives I'd say Grisey is probably named second most often among French spectral music composers, after Murail. Personally, I got more into the "outsider" spectralists, Scels

Posted: 4 Days ago by: gggg gggg

Concerning being "...very consistent with the timing of the piece...", was Monteux also like that?

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Todd M. McComb

It is generally easier to "get over" things that are not ongoing. HTH.

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Marc S

Not to forget what Mitropoulos gets out of thsi either...

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 4 Days ago by: gggg gggg

Wasn't Monteux also like that?

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Marc S

Na, don't need the Busch... Walter showed me that you can get much more out of this... *should have ofc realized it couldn't be the 1942 performance, since Pinza is singign Leporello here, sorry for the confusion. But still.... you reall

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Marc S

*sorry got to take back what I said about Walter's DG; Busch's is better... just canceled my order, after listening to it again. I wrote the above comment after stubmling on a video of Ezio Pinza singing "Madamina", conducted by Bruno Wal

Re: WNCN-FM New York "Eine Kliene"

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Steve Vasta

Three names: "Robert, Jean-Jacques, Jean-Pierre..." with "Robert" pronounced in French. Thanks for reminding me of the opening quote! (For me as a teenager, this all struck me as incredibly classy!)

Re: WNCN-FM New York "Eine Kliene"

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Steve Vasta

I remember Mr. Watson from WQXR. Same theme music, same sign-off quote. I also remember a series of programs where he played no music, but read aloud from Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" with a wind machine in the backgrou

Posted: 4 Days ago by: Marc S

You know, I think you are right about Bruno Walter's DG, it is the best alongside Mitropoulos'. Busch I think is not so good... he is nowhere near Walter or Karajan or Fricsay or Beecham or Erich Kleiber or Mitropoulos as a musician... S

Re: Himari Yoshimura (thread)

Otto Klemperer - a monumental life on record - article

Posted: 4 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

I never read your answer on this. A lot of what is wrong with society is reflected in Herman's behaviour in this thread; basically, people lacking a critical understanding of themselves as well as lacking in empathy. "stay optimistic" is

Posted: 4 Days 3 Hours ago by: Gerard

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/features/article/otto-klemperer-a-monumental-life-on-record

Posted: 4 Days 5 Hours ago by: drh8h

I believe the very first CD issue by Decca in the 1980s and the later Ovation your referenced, which have almost identical timings, were the 1957 version mislabeled as 1964. The timings for 1957 were 8:12/5.59/7.24, give or take a couple o

Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: James Goodzeit

I did see Matsuev banging out Shostakovich's Piano Concerto #1 with the Mariinsky Orchestra under the toothpick of Valery Gergiev. The whole thing was a train wreck of a performance as if all the musicians involved went straight to Carneg

Weblog early music in German

Posted: 4 Days 6 Hours ago by: Johan van Veen

New weblog on early music in German / Neues Weblog f�r alte Musik in deutscher Sprache: https://critica-musica.blogspot.com

Posted: 4 Days 10 Hours ago by: Gerard

The Italian Eloquence 32 cd box with 'French music' contains only 1 recording of La Mer (but 2 of Pelléas et Mélisande!), listed as the 1964 recording. Times are: 8:12 - 5:59 - 7:24 (together 21:35).

OT: 4 Weddings and a Funeral -- or viceversa

Posted: 4 Days 12 Hours ago by: Richard Kaplan

The 1957 version times at 21:39 according to the Japanese Decca Debussy set; the same set has the 1964 version at 22:54. The new set lists both versions at 22:01, which looks to me like the 1957 version with pauses added in. I'll A/B the t

Posted: 4 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/LWB178cLzQ4

Posted: 4 Days 12 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

I have the Eloquence 2cd (4824975) which has the 1957 Ansermet La Mer. The timing is given as 21'49. All told, Ansermet recorded 4 La Mers, 1948, 1951, 1957, and 1964. The 1964 La Mer was on a Decca Ovation, and may still be obtainable.

Posted: 4 Days 13 Hours ago by: Richard Kaplan

Francois Hudry's note says, "The conductor's complete stereo recordings are here, with sound taken from the original tapes." The credits say "Digital Mastering: Paschal Byrne & Chris Bernauer." I haven't listened to the two La Mers yet, bu

Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

😂

Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Paul, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I haven't heard Lisitsa yet but will try and listen before she goes lisits up ... Andrew Clarke Canberra

Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Don't insurance companies give new meaning to the expression FAIR WEATHER FRIEND?

Posted: 4 Days 14 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

Somebody, I forget who, mentioned something that differentiates old, dead artists from active ones. Boycotting the former has no effect on anything. Boycotting the latter could affect their behavior and makes other artists think twice ab

Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

Well... no, but I should have. I was just buzzing along and did not stop to fully analyze your response... but for most of my life, right or wrong, I paid little attention to the lives of composers (or performers) and just enjoyed the

Posted: 4 Days 15 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Paul, you do realise I was being ironic? I forgot to add the dastardly intentions of the British Secret Service and the editors of The Gramophone, thwarted in their attempt to kidnap Ruby Keeler and substitute Kathleen Ferrier, as Big Da

Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"... just get over it already...

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 16 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

We must also add to the list recordings of Shostakovitch, Prokofiev, Sviatislav Richter, Leonid Kogan and others who accepted the most murderous regime in modern history as well as fellow travellers like Weill and Cornelius Cardew. Then y

Posted: 4 Days 17 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

Stockhausen even appeared on a Beatles album. Music is music, whatever you want to call it. ps: the first early jazz that really wowed me was Bix Beiderbecke, not mentioned here, who was also reasonably adept on piano besides the cornet.

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

I'm sorry to hear Miss Lisitsa is beyond the pale. I was going to put her on my bucket list ... Andrew Clarke Canberra

Posted: 4 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Der Stuermer, or Die Stuermerin, I suppose. And c.f. Mel Gibson's diatribes or even Big Dave on the British music industry ... AC

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 18 Hours ago by: number_six

some vintage vocals -- Marilyn Moore - Moody /Oh Captain (Fresh Sound) Teddi King -- Four Classic Albums plus (Avid)

"Cassette tapes make unexpected comeback in era of music streaming"

Posted: 4 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Learning about British colonial policy from You Tube is like learning about Jewish business es from Die Stuermer. Andrew Clarke Canberra

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/cassette-tapes-make-unexpected-comeback-in-era-of-music-streaming

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: mINE109

And they weren't entirely separated from each other: https://www.jstor.org/stable/742474 "Miles Davis and Karlheinz Stockhausen: A Reciprocal Relationship"

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: number_six

How could either exist (as we know them) without the other? Sources /influences are intertwined, multi-directional...

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

What seems to have been going on in places like Alabama is a kind of intra-national wage slavery. The miners were charged for the cost of transporting the coal to the surface. They lived in company houses. They bought at the company store

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Not even close to what Bruckner and Dick Wagner did to you. You suffer from advanced, chronic, terminal bruckneriosis and wagneriosis. They are the most lethal forms of meningo-encephalitis, with no known cure or treatment. dk

Posted: 4 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

It is actually much better. dk

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 20 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Doesn't State Farm give new meaning to the expression FAIR WEATHER FRIEND?

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

K. conducts Pfitzner. (Y. upload): "Clara Ebers " Vier Lieder" Hans Pfitzner"

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

For me jazz has unique qualities - the excitement of improvisation, the beat, the overall sound, the personalities. I think one of the things it is particularly good at is the development of ideas, what in classical music would be describ

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 21 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I was playing jazz live from 1966 onwards in pretty good bands.......

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

I don't really distinguish beteen the two lists, as it really depends on my mood. Virtually all in both lists have created distinguished music. Entertainment is also a vague word in this context. It cn mean many different things. Ray Hal

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Oscar

What did Bartok do to you, Mr. Evans?

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 4 Days 23 Hours ago by: Lawrence Kart

I love both musics, even wrote a book about jazz --- "jazz In Search of Itself" (Yale U. Press) -- but this is not a competition.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Todd M. McComb

You say that, and yet people who've never even heard music by various people in the second list seem sufficiently entertained by the idea of their music to bring it up -- for their own entertainment, that is.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Marc S

*wrt Karajan talking about his Zauberflöte obviously; as I mentioned above, I really like him in Nozze (1950) and Cosi (1954).

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days ago by: Marc S

Somehwere in this thread I talked about Keilberth maybe being a good conductor which was mainly in reference to a Zauberflöte recording of his - wrong, it is not good, very bad conducting; just relistened. Keilberth's Beethoven and Wagner

Posted: 5 Days ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "How Britain Used India To Replace Slave Labor"

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

*Trump as a politican was actually the opposite of an authoritarian personality; he did not bow down to herd-mentality, but actually did good politics being politically incorrect.

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: HT

Just a few names from the internet: Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Dizzie Gillespie, Quincey Jones, Ella Fitzgerald, Benny Goodman, Louis Armstrong, Dave Brubeck, Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, Thelonius Monk, Billie Holiday, Charlie Parker,

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

Well... guess what... it seems you didn't understand a single thing about what Adorno means with "Authoritarian Personality"... you actually are a person with an authoritarian personality; trait: ego weakness => following herd mentality,

Re: 20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Since this guy started his trolling with Adorno, maybe it's time for the two most relevant Adorno references, one long, one short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authoritarian_Personality https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Aspects+of+the+Ne

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

In the 21st century, it can be hard to tell the difference.... But I know you don't even like a lot of the 60s jazz, Andy, like AACM etc.

Posted: 5 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

Well... Owen... time to jerk off to Trump ;D

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

This may seem this way to a monkey like you ;) You may have missed that I criticised him heavily in a discussion with Owen - who obviously loves to jerk off to Trump. Well, I am certainly not amused that you can't find anything wrong

20th Century jazz was as good as a lot of 20th Century classical

Posted: 5 Days 3 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Nobody misses Marc S. -Owen

Posted: 5 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Discuss......

Posted: 5 Days 5 Hours ago by: Herman

Same with Matsuev, much promoted here by the usual suspect. He's called 'Putin's pianist.' The difference between saying 'Richard Wagner wrote great music drama' and 'you gotta listen to Matsuev banging the piano' is that Matsuev is of t

Mariam Batsashvili - Wigmore Hall Recital May 29, 2023

Posted: 5 Days 6 Hours ago by: James Goodzeit

Lisitsa fully embraces the Kremlin's genocidal rhetoric. I have no intention of listening to Ney ever, even if she did later recant. Wagner would be a garbage human being even without being a flaming anti-Semite, but I do relax a bit when

Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNSQTVNQIgc Superb Dante Sonata!

Sokolov Schumann Kreisleriana

Sokolov_--_Schumann_Bunte_Blätter_-_Geneva_12.12.20

Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/CvuaD7tUQek

Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/7_mMB3VZUmM

Sokolov WTC Book II tidbits

Posted: 5 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/7KysVbnVtxA

Posted: 5 Days 10 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

Obviously you project according to what you want to believe. Basically you aren't even up to the level of a monkey. Still floundering about beneath your swamp along with your hero DT. No more words are necessary in your case, other than

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

To add: Jet about the effects of puberty blockers (she was prescribed with as a minor) etc on her sexuality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ez63cf_Fng -- Ofc Gerard and all the good people - like Ray - find nothing wrong with such pr

Why do pianists go crazy when playing in Bucharest? ;-)

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

To add: Jet on the effects of puberty blockers etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ez63cf_Fng -- This woman was put on puberty blockers as a minor and got her tits cut off - waiting for Ray to defend these evil practices... Great j

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/Kqtz6a8ikGg

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

Some criticism: You changed way too many quotes, Gerard... otherwise Dankjewell for your commemoration and all the time and work you put into it. I must mean very much to you; unfortunately, Gerard, I can't reciprocate your feelings... I

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

In this regard, Gerard, you are exactly like Herman; you cry about Trump and his "SS" - SS?! what lunacy - yet no words about children in the Netherlands being put on puberty blockers - what lunacy: Jet: A dutch detransition story https

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

Jet: A dutch detransition story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN21aIuMXxM

Affannatissimo! ;-)

Posted: 5 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/od25zdfn9cA

Re: Igor Markevitch Rite of Spring

Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

None…..buy it (well, there are 2 EMI studio versions and several live ones, bit assuming it’s the stereo EMI one) on cd or listen on a streaming service. Why youtube? So you can hear it in the worst possible form?

WAYLTL - JUNE 2023

Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: Gerard

Respighi: Antiche Danze ed Arie per Liuto Münchner Rundfunkorchester, conducted by Henry Raudales (CPO) Recently BIS released a new recording of these pieces with Neschling. Some very positive reviews, some less positive ("undercharacteri

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 13 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Don't you have to be good at talking out of both sides of your mouth to become a 'successful' politician?

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Does colonization eventually lead to THIS? (2023 Y. upload): "How the USA Colonized the USA"

Re: Gouda (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "How did 80 Million People Die in Maoist China? | History of China 1955-1970 Documentary 8/10"

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Jumping the gun again! -- there are atill 135 minutes left in May! And you missed Marc S. On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 3:21:45 PM UTC-7, MELMOTH wrote:

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 14 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://news.yahoo.com/calling-joe-biden-senile-republicans-145600231.html?a20_comeback_from_auth=1&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9hY2NvdW50cy5nb29nbGUuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJG4wopqVpYfBl-iwuEZsGgyq6NIPNTijnMtNv8bLOzKoVRi5q

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

If not all colonizers are equal, could that have something to do with this? (2023 Y. upload): "Why Haiti Is So Dangerous And The Dominican Republic Is Thriving"

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 16 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

Golub-Kaplan-Carr on Arabesque.

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Oh you *Mensch* you! Watching Hurwitz's latest with a can of coke in one hand and a slice of pizza in the other. And at your age! But do spare a thought for the poor old delivery boy. Running up five flights of stairs in a Plattenbau to

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 17 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

I am not an expert on the economics of colonialism. Don forget that all economics has to say is if the conditions are "this", then economic theory suggest "that." So I would say that the better defined, or more secure, the property right

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Correction: "smash and grab theory ... is so hopelessly wrong."

Posted: 5 Days 18 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

The metaphor is absolutely relevant. Colonisers invest in colonies in order to maintain them as a going concern. That is why the smash 'n' grab theory of colonial economics, often proposed on You Tube and which you and Frank seem to have

Posted: 5 Days 19 Hours ago by: Gerard

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MAY STATS...

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: MELMOTH

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Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Obviously not, you are still allowed to speak! ;-) dk

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

You're going to have the last word, aren't you?

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Marc S

I was being a bit too nice I guess... there was one piece that I liked with him and that made me hope that I like him - Mozart 563. Need too listen to more interpretations of this piece I think. The others I didn't... Could you tell?

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long run". I meant it as in "galactic scale". Asteroids may hit and the Sun may blow up before the next elections (however small the probability). Obviously opinions differ greatly

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Didn't I say so long before you were born? Didn't I say so long before you were born? Christiane Edinger? There is more than one way to perform a work of music (or dance or theatre). There is also more than one way to look at a pait

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

Did I say not?

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

Sure.

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

I didn't mean "the big scheme of things" as "in the long run." You're just saying the equivalent meaningless "In the long run we're all dead." I meant over a period of time we care about, the exact form of representative government woul

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

Hahn is very bad imo btw... after relistening to her... Milstein is very good in Bach... my favourite with Szeryng... Please don't get the idea to recommend me this german woman whose name I forgot in Bach's solo violin works... Stern i

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

The Vegh Schubert 9 on BMC is listed as 23 March 1993.

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

For comparison here is Sokolov at age 16, either during or shortly after the Tchaikovsky competition he won in 1966: https://youtu.be/n53Zkd__F5c dk

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

Whatever... Obviously you are projecting again. With Freud: Either your mama gave you too much attention, or too little - what is it dk? Oh sorry Herr Oberfeldwebel that I didn't act the way you wanted to... No, I'm not. Obviously

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Isn't this exactly what happened almost everywhere? dk

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The bigger the "scheme", the less things matter. No government can prevent asteroids from hitting the planet -- however elected or not. dk

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Not anywhere close to your degree of foolishness. Your showing up was not noticeable. Which is probably the main reason you exploded. Craving attention just like your idol BeeBee. I don't recall it being mentioned in this thread.

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 5 Days 22 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

I would think optimal colonial policy would be to abuse the colony up to the point where they revolt.

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

And not really mattering in the big scheme of things.

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

I mean if you have some old Bach, Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert recordings of his which are as good as Richter's or Schnabel's or Volodos' - feel free to show them to me.

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Hold on for a sec... you are wasting your time and your brain stating the obvious again... Haha. What a fool you are. I know Sokolov enough by now - and if you were able to follow things, I talked about him the first time I showed up on

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

You are wasting your time and your brain by making wholesale judgments about pianists. One should evaluate performances, not individuals. There is no particular benefit in generalizing what one hears -- it only creates blinders, or deaf

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

I already know this - had Pletnev in my mind before actually, when thinking about my favourite Bach pianists. Argerich as well. I would definitely choose Pletnev over Sokolov. In this case I can trust my memory; the way I think about mu

Posted: 5 Days 23 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Sokolov's style has changed significantly over time. His 1990s recordings sound inspired and spontaneous. I do not read people's minds, however I suspect his recent mannerisms stem from his obsession with Baroque and early keyboard

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 6 Days ago by: Marc S

It might have been in this thread - though I'm not sure - in which I praised Sokolov's Bach - sorry, I have to take it back. I think Dan is right, it sounds too studied - seems to be the problem with Sokolov in general. His pianism is ama

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days ago by: Dan Koren

Have you ever read history? If so, please explain in detail how the British, the Spanish, the French, the Dutch and the Portuguese ran "successful" colonies. And don't forget the Belgians. Cute, though not relevant. Sounds like you

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 6 Days ago by: Dan Koren

Good for you! ;-) I never liked the presidency concept. Governments should be led by prime ministers elected through a ranked choice voting system. There must be term and lower/upper age limits for all government roles. Simple and st

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Evans

Indeed. I have a good friend in India who things the government is vile, and I'm sure he's not alone. Modi hasn't been capable of reducing emissions - in 2022 they increased by 7.5%, more than any other country. I suppose looking at the

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andy Evans

Fact is I'm not much of a monarchist these days. I liked the Queen as we all did, but that was the end of an era. The current royals are an "absolute shower" as Terry Thomas would say. But please, no President. Don't ever go down that roa

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

You need to recalibrate your notions of "restlessness" and "impetuousness" https://youtu.be/mFqey29clEc Gortler is a kolter tuchas by comparison. Henk can translate this for you. dk

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

Amended: tepid air blower. dk

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

Can you please post the "rewards"? Invoke anything you like. "Refinement" is in the ears of the listeners. Your notions of quality and refinement reek of fast food. Remember when you recommended Eric Le Sage's Schumann? Yet anot

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

pure bull shit above, shame on you me 'hot air blower'? how irnic AB

Re: Reiner Also Sprach - how many RCA reissues?

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Not surprising from a British Monarchist Royalist! ;-) dk

Re: Mahler 1 - Mitropoulos (Masterworks Heritage)

Posted: 6 Days 2 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Your bot should learn how to copy and paste links: https://youtu.be/1bT8r4FwB_4 dk

Re: Reiner Also Sprach - how many RCA reissues?

Posted: 6 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(Y. upload): "Mahler: Symphony No 1 "Titan" First Recording (1940) Mitropoulos/Minneapolis"

Re: OT? - Will something like this cause WWIII, or, Dr. Strangelove revisited? (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "50's Unfiltered: The Reiner "Zarathustra" (1954) Chicago"

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "Chinese fighter jet cut so close to US spy plane it caused turbulence"

Posted: 6 Days 4 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

According to this: - Puccini famously noted that he felt this opera was his finest score. And he was probably right. https://operawire.com/ranking-giacomo-puccinis-operas-from-least-to-best/

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: drh8h

Amazon reviewers are reporting problems with this set, including sonic issues in the German Requiem, misprints, and apparently, Decca once again has mixed up the 1957 and 1964 La Mer recordings and printed one of them twice! Previously,

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

So this is how "connoisseurs" - like Herman - speak about one of Schubert's masterpieces... fortunately the educated folks of the music schools view this differently than "connoisseurs" like Herman... Reads like it was written by some te

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

Look, Andrew the Ape, as opposed to you I get that noone is perfect and that the Brits can be criticised for some things they did in India; this was not my point at all Mr Monkeybrain. My point was: That the Al Jazeera article is pure pr

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Ha Ha - I like that. Invoke away - sure, Ravel, Dvorak for starters

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I love the Heifetz Mendelssohn Octet. OK he makes it sound like a violin concerto but it's glorious.

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

You do not run a successful colony by murdering its labour force and expropriating its resources. This is like trying to run a restaurant by poisoning your staff and taking all the food home and keeping it in the cellar for your own use.

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Turandot is the pinnacle of Puccini.

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 8 Hours ago by: JohnGavin

It points out that thinking in terms of the “greatest” this or that, being interpretations of a work, or a work in a specific genre, is a futile exercise. It’s too rigid an attitude. What probably ends up happening is that the pe

Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Herman

OMG there are sooo many piano trios that are more rewarding than Schubert's stomping thru the Alps singalong. Dare one invoke Mozart, Ravel, Fauré, Dvorak? There are at least a dozen of Haydn masterpieces in the genre that are way more

Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

GM crops have been a cynical exercise in making money for those firms like Monsanto that have been pushing them. First make money selling the crops, then make money selling pesticides to go with the crops and then tie farmers into tyrann

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Janacek's and Britten's operas, also Nixon in China, make up the rest. I do have Puccini's little shocker Tosca but I am rarely tempted to listen to it any more, but there is no denying its attractions. Although a Brit I don't get on wi

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I've always preferred the Archduke, but that's just me.

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 6 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The Merz Trio sounds interesting: https://youtu.be/qWFrKxxTwag dk

Posted: 6 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

As far as I know he found a lucrative winning for formula 25 years ago and has been churning out the same sort of stuff for his public ever since. Perfectly understandable but a shame given the quality of pieces like Kanon Pokajanon and La

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 6 Days 15 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-wishes-happy-memorial-day-164646470.html

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Maybe so, no offense intended to Part, but he was established already in the 90s. An entire generation ago.

Re: OT: AI ...... (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Human extinction a possibility?: https://news.yahoo.com/news/m/62648038-27b4-38ed-8c0c-4eb70b7689f4/human-extinction-from-ai-is.html

Re: Igor Markevitch Rite of Spring

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Which Youtube upload is recommended for M.'s "Rite..."?

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: number_six

IMO crisantemi /chrysanthemums is a great piece but it's been awhile since I turned to his operas.

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: number_six

miNE109 and Todd -- I would not have thought Part passe, while conceding that most people move more quickly than I do nowadays -- and the zeitgeist along with it... Maybe the old Estonian earwig still has something up his sleeve...I hope

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

"GM Crops Likely to Worsen Climate Change Related Problems for Farmers": https://countercurrents.org/2023/05/gm-crops-likely-to-worsen-climate-change-related-problems-for-farmers/

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.concordmonitor.com/My-Turn-Climate-change-why-should-we-care-51098816

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/05/24/why-you-should-care-about-warmer-than-average-ocean-temperatures/

Posted: 6 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Sea surface temperatures ain't goin' down: https://www.kxan.com/weather/weather-blog/sea-surface-temperatures-set-a-record/

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Extreme weather also means that homeowners are in trouble. (2023 Y. upload): "Homeowners SCREWED As Vast Swaths of US Uninsurable | Breaking Points"

Posted: 6 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Ashkenazy/Saccharine/Harrell not bad at all: https://youtu.be/tOp6geTmR-M

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 6 Days 18 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

If you like Tosca's big aria: https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.opera/c/HIF8ZNWiTng

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: mINE109

Somebody connected! It was worth taking a look into Xenakis. I hadn't seen the anecdote about Messiaen not insisting he study harmony. Today's listening: Metastaseis and three Pleiades.

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

In summary: My ears do not find any of the performances mentioned in this thread entirely satifactory. This work is very difficult to pull of musically. Most performances I heard tended to sound like sonatas for piano + strings rathe

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Sir Menuhin & Co. sound just right: https://youtu.be/mJSJNYoPToo dk

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

And this is arguably the cleanest transfer available on YouTube: https://youtu.be/m4kkuX8Z2Tk Melmoth, take note! ;-) dk

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

I like Verdi's Falstaff very much. Bernstein CBS is a very good recording. Janacek's and Britten's operas, also Nixon in China, make up the rest. I do have Puccini's little shocker Tosca but I am rarely tempted to listen to it any more, b

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

To my ears the Ravello Trio has the right balance between piano and strings: https://youtu.be/SDvgYg5azHc Unfortunately still too alla marcia in the opening, and too metronomic in general. Nice sound however. dk

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Oistrakh / Knushevitsky / Oborin https://youtu.be/yfrwcO5CR4c A little too heavy handed for my ears. dk

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Another historical reference in horrible sound: Schnabel/Szigeti/Fournier: https://youtu.be/GxzacQleMTw

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

This is a better performance: https://youtu.be/gHnnTMDKbG0 dk

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

This is very well known, and to my ears an example of how not to perform this work. Listen to the way Presslers stomps the opening phrase, and compare with the reference Cortot/Thibaud/Casals: https://youtu.be/gHnnTMDKbG0 dk

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Unfortunately recording quality leaves a lot to be desired. dk

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: HT

Thanks! It's great fun to watch. Rubinstein banging his way through the music, not caring one bit what the others are doing, Heifetz intent on playing all the notes as precisely as possible, and Piatogorsky being as unobtrusive as the sit

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Well that seems like a more promising way to look at it... and some human languages are rather different.... As long as you seemed to enjoy that Xenakis label, E# just added an introductory paragraph to his Xenakias homage release (pace

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Time to name and shame...... The nations that increased emissions most in 2022 Jan-May India 7.5% USA 5.7% Group of 20 (G20) members are NOT on track to achieve either their original or new pledges to cut emissions by 2030. The G20 nation

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: mINE109

There's the Schoenberg/Brahms Piano Quartet orchestration for people who want their Schoenberg more tonal and their Brahms more colorful. The mention of brain structure and whether we're wired for "three chords and the truth" led me to

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: JohnGavin

I already know that nobody is going to like this version anymore. It occurred to me when listening to this famous group that I can enjoy chamber music when all the players are not trying to sound like a homogenized unity, but rather exert

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

"stood out to me", not "be".

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Seems like the place for one of those "There's two kinds of people..." remarks. It would certainly be interesting if more people had a "FOMO" regarding contemporary music....

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope (thread)

Posted: 6 Days 22 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

The Suk Trio in its classic lineup (Suk/Chuchro/Panenka) in 1965: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppnbJTpGjoY (first mvt, remainder also available at youtube) and 1975 (same lineup) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrvMuyBwfJo I have th

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

There's always the fear of missing out on something. If my wife hears someone raving about some type of food she doesn't like, she feels compelled to try it again. -Owen

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

I think the noise cancelling Airpods Pro 2 require a more secure seal on the ear canal to make the cancellation work. I didn't think I'd like the feel, but having got them, they don't bother me, and it comes with 4 different sizes of

Posted: 6 Days 23 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.onmanorama.com/lifestyle/news/2023/05/30/glaciers-melting-alarming-rate-greenland.html

Gautier_Capuçon:_Lera_Auerbach_-_Cello_Concerto_'Diary_of_a_Madman'

Posted: 7 Days ago by: Marc S

Yeah, but the Pros sort of clog the entrance of the ear, and I don't like this feeling - especially over a longer period of time; the Airpods 3 don't, very different shape. Just put a Airpods 3 and Airpods Pro 2 in your ear, there is a d

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: henrysibley

https://www.konserthuset.se/en/play/theme/royal-stockholm-philharmonic-orchestra/ A great new work!

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Todd M. McComb

Perhaps I should add that really not many people enjoy Brahms.... Perhaps some of those who don't believe they should....

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Owen Hartnett

The Schubert Trios are the best things the Beaux Arts did. The piano part was right in Pressler's wheelhouse, and Greenhouse's Cello is magnificent. They recorded it twice, the above seems to be the second version, with Cohen instea

Leipzig Mahler Festival

Posted: 7 Days 1 Hour ago by: Andrew Clarke

You can see these performances from the Gewandhaus on Arte. Brilliant no. 7 from Daniel Harding. Andrew Clarke Canberra

Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Yes. The differences are: AirPods (2nd generation) No Spatial Audio No Noise Cancellation AirPods (3rd generation) Spatial Audio No Noise Cancellation AirPods Pro (2nd generation) Spatial Audio Noise Cancellation None of these actua

Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

We are living in the end of times you donkeys: "We are “quite literally” in the “last chance saloon,” says Prince Charles. Humanity is “about 5-1 down at half-time,” says Boris Johnson. People will curse this generation of po

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 2 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

And the phrase "the pace of change is glacial" now has new meaning considering how fast glaciers are melting. Are we living in times where it's about the new normal? Or the new abnormal?

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

The idea that a small slice of Western music history/style is "hard-wired into the brain" is the sort of notion I've seen thrown around my entire life. It's absurd.

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

BTW they are called Airpods, Owen... I think the differentiation that I made between earbuds and in-ear headphones is not correct, but there is a difference between Airpods 3 and Airpods Pro in how they are constructed; Airpods 3 being in-

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: mINE109

We probably agree the google description is inadequate! My limited exposure to his music was mostly in relation to Musique Concret and architecture. I have some exploring to do, ideally with a surround sound element.

Re: The greatest piano trio ever written! (thread)

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

I really dislike earbuds in general... I use the Apple Airpods 3 (in-ear headphones) and I love them; way better than the Sennheiser Momentum 3 (wireless as well) over-the-ear headphones I bought 2 years or so ago and never use... Had so

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

This version is well-regarded... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BHidUXiMpg&list=PLdFPJBlxZBRaEF8iNdHYzwbYKp0tFvygH

Apple Ear Pods - Ear Pods Pro

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

I just picked up a pair of Apple Ear Pods Pro (2nd edition) in a Memorial Day sale at $50 off. Here's my impressions of them, comparing them to the original earpods: * Physically they are bigger, and have flexible (and changable) ear

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Well Concrete PH is made from the sound of a fire. And Krinoidi is like an evocation of sea creatures. Listen to it while imagining looking through the water of the sun drenched Aegean and seeing this sort of thing https://en.wikipedi

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mandryka

By the way, if you can get Mosco Carner's book on Puccini it's well worth a read.

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Try other verismo composers -- Pagliacci especially.

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: mINE109

Advantage, Bing. I suppose Xenakis considered his sounds to be natural.

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Puccini is growing on me. I've previously avoided Italian opera like Verdi because it just doesn't appeal to me, but Puccini is different, closer to more modern composers like Debussy and Ravel. So this afternoon, listening to La Fanciul

Posted: 7 Days 5 Hours ago by: mINE109

Indeed but ID'ing the point where the tone row appears backwards isn't what you expect from a school kid. Maybe a theory/comp grad student could do so but these things are generally recognized in score study. Of course, the anecdotal s

Posted: 7 Days 10 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

The world will have to start changing its vocabulary soon. Out with "once in a lifetime floods" and in with "this year's floods". Out with "extreme heatwave" and in with "average heat for this time of year". People are still trying to cle

Posted: 7 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Matsuev: https://youtu.be/mFqey29clEc dk

Posted: 7 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Don't forget your passport! ;-) dk

The greatest piano trio ever written!

Posted: 7 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I am referring to the PIANIST's sound, not to the INSTRUMENT's sound. They are not the same thing. One would not expect a hot air blower to understand the distinction. dk

Posted: 7 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/qSRRbOvpaXg Unfortunately, not the best interpretation. This is music that shines through even through the worst performances! dk

Posted: 7 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I listened to Burkard Schliessman’s Symphonic Etudes last night - magnificent!

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 18 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/thousands-evacuated-as-philippines-warns-of-approaching-typhoon-mawar

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 19 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

In this vein, I searched for Xenakis today, to find out his specific birthdate (because I was trying to figure out why a recent homage was dated the way it is... and failed to do so...), and the little side "panel" thing on Google with hi

Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

The naive listener, by definition, has not been taught already to listen for something else.

OT - 2023 Extreme weather

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 20 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/shanghai-hottest-may-day-100-years/

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: mINE109

No, it doesn't use functional harmony and there's certainly weirder music out there. The mention of the brain's pattern recognition reminds me of a grad theory student who shared an anecdote of a classical musically naive school kid co

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Indeed he seems to illustrate Monk's point, as his music sounds little like "classical music." And I would not call it tonal.

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 7 Days 22 Hours ago by: mINE109

Then I'm glad I didn't call it uniquely easy to listen to. While Part may be relatively passe, he is well represented in choral programs, dance pieces and even an episode of Ted Lasso, all while bypassing the tyranny of ti-do.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days ago by: Todd M. McComb

I take it you are disagreeing somehow.... The idea that Part, whose heyday seems to have been a few decades ago anywwy, is unique in this regard just seems bizarre....

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

hmmm thinking about it... not so sure which I like more... maybe I actually like Mitropoulos' DG more than Busch's... will have to relisten, but these are surely - imo - the best accounts of this opera... Serail: Beecham Nozze: Karajan a

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

So obviously I do not need Karajan... but I think I need Fritz Busch in DG.... and maybe also Mitropoulos... can't think of any better...

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

what the f--k are you talking about???? ugly sound???absolutely gorgeous piano though the top treble was not always perfectly tuned .....and what beautiful playing!! metronomic?? your comments are 'metronomic! there is a better word,

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

*To be added: Misra's casualty claims have been challenged in India and Britain. "It is very difficult to assess the extent of the reprisals simply because we cannot say for sure if some of these populations did not just leave a conflict

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

Karl Marx: "The question is not whether the English had a right to conquer India, but whether we are to prefer India conquered by the Turk, by the Persian, by the Russian, to India conquered by the Briton."

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mandryka

He's giving piano recitals in Edinburgh and Paris this year, Chopin and Mozart. I may go.

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

*not jsut deny the shoah or claim the Jews are responsible for it - or some mix of it -...

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

*neat

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

*Just to add: They are obviously consciously and subconsciously (if one has any idea of the Palestinian mentality) equating the shoah with the nakba.... the nakba ofc is not the fault of Israel at all... it is a catastrophe the "Palestini

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

Also, interesting to note: How they take a picture of a British soldier? standing infront of a train... Neet psychological trick if done on purpose; or maybe it's just the act of the subconsciousness - in any case, it shows how deluded t

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: mINE109

Many of his pieces are diatonic and triadic, which makes for a relatively easy listen for new listeners. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintinnabuli

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 3 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

This is one of those ordinary facts that people try to make sound like more than it is. No one is born knowing Brahms either. I don't actually know if Part uses the word "tonal" for his music, but since his inspiration is music from be

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

*I don't just like some parts more in Beecham's recording, but the recording in general; I should add that I didn't want to imply that I didn't like Hüsch, he is a great Papageno as well. Beecham's phrasing is just so wonderful... It's

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

Seefried is great too etc... I really have not so much a problem with the singers, as much as with Karajan's rather boring conducting... he is much better in Figaro and Cosi...

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

Hmmm probably I need the Karajan as well... Kunz is a great Papageno... but there are some parts I like more in Beecham's recording... ya... these two are my favourite... and in Nozze it's Karajan and Kleiber... just can't decide...

Posted: 8 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

Beecham's Zauberflöte is the best... Karajan doesn't come close... I believe noone does...

Posted: 8 Days 7 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Pletnev: https://youtu.be/n0LXztyAQeI Gortler sounds pedestrian by comparison. You need to shed your habit of listening to 3rd tier (or worse) pianists. dk

Prokofiev PC2 Volodos/Segerstam

Posted: 8 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/RmHtDO1JCRU The finest I've heard. dk

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Well, he recorded some music on piano too -- French suites, for example.

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

Ehh... how about you provide a reliable source in the first place you donkey... I'd rather go fuck myself indeed ;)

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

You were always a donkey. What else is new?

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

Promise?

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Several generations of Russian pianists were brought up worshipping Richter. What else is new? dk

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

You will find out when you are served. dk

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

We are obviously talking past each other. You keep referring to the "music", while I only care about actual performances. These are not the same things. The "music" might look predictable and regular on paper, or while one might th

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

Do you think I believe in your promises?

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

If you believe 100M is inaccurate or exaggerated, please provide a more accurate number from a reliable, verificable source. Otherwise, go fuck yourself! dk

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Mandryka

You say that, but I think there’s a strong element of predictability in all tonal music, with all those resolving cadences and memorable melodies. I want you to listen to Rübsam’s Bach on lute harpsichord - the WTC 2 for example. H

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I will sue in a German court for this! I promise! dk

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

Yes... ofc... Oscar and me, the great Nazis. Yet no words about the antisemitism of Andy... and no self-reflection on your own antisemitism. If you want to piss on the graves of the people who were murdered in the shoah - think about som

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

Haha - not really. But you are allowed to believe this, just as you are allowed to believe that British colonialism killed 100 million indians in 40 years, because of "facts"...

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Here is a recent live DBT by Nikita Mndoyants. Not bad, though nowhere close to standard set by Fabienne Jacquinot. dk

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

You are getting more bizarre and more delusional day by day. dk

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

ROTFL !!! You are delusional beyond any hope of cure. No amount of lithium or haloperidol can repair your brain. Brainfucked Nazi. dk

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Yes, though as a psychologist I have to agree with the original 2010 link, that the human brain does look for patterns it can relate to. One aspect of this is called "chunking" where elements fit together. So it's easier to remember ICI,

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

I think Beecham's and Karajan's Zauberflöte might be the best (not sure which I like more yet)... I am not too much a fan of Fricsay's... same wrt his Serail, Nozze and DG and also his Beethoven; and the Brahms I heard years ago... My f

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

3-4min into the documentary it is clear it's a pile of shit... "facts"? Dan... I thought you had lived in Israel? How come you know nothing about Israel...

Posted: 8 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

*but you are ofc free to believe these kind of lies.

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

See... you really have learned nothing from the past. You are no more than a monkey; just a little more evolved than pluted. Oscar at least - even though he was a bit too friendly w td imo - is not a self-hating Jew as far as I can tell.

Posted: 8 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

facts... I think you are confusing anti-western propaganda with facts... but you are ofc free to believe them. What you are doing here is basically projecting your own self-hatred on the west; similar to muslims wrt Israel ;) I always

Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I listened last night to a Richter concert with half a dozen of these pieces, in the big Hungary box. From the first half of the 1970s, and good sound too. An interesting cd - not just the Mendelssohn, but some Chopin waltzes and mazurkas

Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The last thing I want in art is "predictable". dk

Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The last thing I want in art is "predictable". dk

Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I meant for the Mendelssohn - mixing up threads.

Posted: 8 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

If you want unpredictable try Kyoko Tabe.

Posted: 8 Days 16 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

I forgot to add that only of her recording are available on CD. I wonder if Russia has something to do with that.

Posted: 8 Days 17 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

We can put Putin in charge. Russia has been canceling performance of artists who speak out against the Ukraine invasion, such as Polina Osetinskaya.

Posted: 8 Days 18 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Usenet is one of the few places where there cannot be a cancellation/censorship. It is the embodiment of anarchism. Now that we have US federal agencies engaged in the blacklisting business, it is in all our best interest to insure f

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Not to mention he can also play the piano -- unlike Mme Ney, or the 2 Wilhelms. dk

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

This has nothing to do with sources, and everything to do with facts. Also note that two wrongs do not cancel one another or add up to one right. dk

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Why don't you go there and take a poll on the ground? dk

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Setting aside for a moment the thorny question how to set the criteria, metrics and standards for filtering out artists who do not meet someone's ethical standards, and how to apply them fairly and uniformly across the board, how would

Posted: 8 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/BMC7haTzn7g

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Of course. He is no Nazi. Are you suggesting that "incontrovertible artistic reasons" should be used as excuses to whitewash incontrovertible, documented support for the Nazi regime? And what makes your "artistic reasons" so incontr

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

But some of those composers were equally contemptible, weren't they? It's good you mean to say no more on the matter. You've painted yourself into a corner from which there is no escape.

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Mechanical, metronomic, predictable. Very ugly sound. dk

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: LarryLap

I have no wish to get drawn into a nuanced parsing of the moral failings of Cortot vs. Gieseking. I have admired Lisitsa's playing in the past, and was incredulous on first hearing of the criticisms others leveled against her, feeling tha

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

For starters: Dick Wagner Hans Pfitzner Carl Orff Elly Ney Wilhelm Backhaus, Wilhelm Kempff Karl Bohm Herbert von Karajan Oswald Kabasta Willi Boskovsky

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Oscar

Matsuev does not belong in their company for obvious reasons, deekay. All of those names are legendary for verifiable and incontrovertible artistic reasons. Matsuev, on the other hand, sucks!!

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: mINE109

Anyone who can't see DK's posts won't see her mentioned much at all.

Posted: 8 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

How about banishing Wagner, Pfitzner, Orff, Backhaus, Elly Ney, Wilhelm Backhaus, Wilhelm Kempff, Karl Bohm, Herbert von Karajan, Oswald Kabasta (and possibly others whose names I don't remember right now) because of their odious belie

Posted: 8 Days 21 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

I doubt her beliefs are the most odious of all musicians, nor her character the most contemptible. So who else would you like to cancel? Let's have a list.

Posted: 8 Days 21 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

According to Wikipedia: - In 2022, due to his public support of Vladimir Putin, Matsuev's appearance with the Vienna Philharmonic in New York on February 25, 2022, was cancelled and he was replaced by pianist Seong-Jin Cho. https://en.w

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 21 Hours ago by: Herman

Same with this Matsuev who is best buddies with Putin. he's not just an odious banger on the piano, but an awful person. Matsuev this, Matsuev that, and here's the latest from Lisitsa It's like we have a propagandist for Putin here.

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

or Beecham's? Would have to relisten...

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: HT

Cancelling her? It's against my principles (Voltaire's influence). What do we do, in these days of sensitivity towards sensitivities? Is it your sensitivities or mine? Henk

Lisitsa beyond the pale

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: LarryLap

Because of her odious beliefs and contemptible character, I would be in favor of seeing all mention of Valentina Lisitsa banished from our group, as it should be from the discourse of civilized people everywhere. Larry Lapidus

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

hmmm... maybe Furtwänglers? I thought his Zauberflöte was a bit off... and I had similar impressions about his DG actually... pretty much like I had with everything he did... same with Toscanini and Klemperer hehe.... and also Szell...

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

For Nozze imo best is: Karajan's still actually... I think... E. Kleiber and Fricsay also come to mind. The others all don't really work... For Cosi: Surely Karajan... and for Serail: Imo Beecham... and maybe Fricsay... noone else (at l

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Okay, I'm officially done with Klemperer (after listening to bits of Zauberflöte and DG again)... it all just made sense to me; I don't like him. Gotta ditch these cds as well... Well, I'm still learning... I guess the best Zauberflöte

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 8 Days 23 Hours ago by: HT

I gave "Revenge" to my son, a decade or so ago. A great book, to be read with caution (like all non-fiction). Henk

Posted: 9 Days ago by: Phl Maestro

My single favorite Kaplan book is "Revenge of Geography," in which he basically goes over the major geopolitical theories and how they relate to the map. But he's also always very careful to point out that no single factor - be it geograp

Re: Gouda (thread)

Re: OT: How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "Julius Caesar: Hero of the Proletariat - Michael Parenti’s People’s History of Rome"

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: gggg gggg

Although don't the citizens of Hong Kong prefer British colonialism to what that have now?

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: HT

I probably didn't read all Kaplan's books, but those I read offered a clear and rational view of their subject. Geography as a fundamental factor in politics is an intriguing perspective. Kaplan shows that it is a convenient starting point

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 9 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

sorry, nothing on YT. AB

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

"Weird means something you never heard before. It's weird until people get around to it. Then it ceases to be weird."

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 2 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

We obviously made company with Stalin for our benefit, not to mention Mao - and while the Cultural Revolution was still ongoing. It's tough to get much worse than those two. There are many other actions we took during the Cold War that

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 3 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

We obviously made company with Stalin for our benefit, not to mention Mao - and while the Cultural Revolution was still ongoing. It's tough to get much worse than those two. There are obviously many other actions they took that had terri

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 3 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

That's an unbelievably ironic statement given the nature of our current elite class in the U.S. and how they view the country's history.

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 3 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

You'd have to have blinders or be completely ignorant of history to not believe it - frankly. I pointed out in a post to Dan that while we'll never know for sure, it's entirely possible that Biden's inept and weak handling of the Afghani

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 3 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

We obviously made company with Stalin for our benefit, not to mention Mao - and while the Cultural Revolution was still ongoing. It's tough to get much worse than those two. There are obviously many other actions they took that had terr

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: mswd...@gmail.com

Frankly, Phil. I can't see what you might not countenance if this is really what you believe.

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: mswd...@gmail.com

I wonder, Phil, do you have any personal sense of a single instance when the US abused its power or made company with evil to further its own (perceived) benefit? Empires are only too happy to have members of the educated class believe th

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

"Saving face" is another way of saying maintaining their credibility and power of deterrence. Would Putin have ordered the invasion of Ukraine had he not thought he had a weak opponent for an American president following the disastrous w

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

I'm well aware that individual policies Kissinger formed or carried out at Nixon's behest can be slammed as immoral or worse when viewed without context. And I certainly don't begrudge anyone who is from a family or country that was perso

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 4 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

Posted: 9 Days 7 Hours ago by: mswd...@gmail.com

I can't help but notice that's no argument, just a way of saying "you are wrong." At this level, we are all armchair quarterbacks. But "blamed if you do, blamed if you don't" is just a dodge. Go ahead, Phil, tell us that you endorse th

Posted: 9 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

Was just thinking about D 894 again and I think he's probably my second favourite here after Richter (Volodos - as I've read somewhere - seemed to adore Richter btw). Still I should add that I'm not really a fan of his approach... becaus

Posted: 9 Days 9 Hours ago by: Marc S

Well, it showed in your horrible statistical analysis - which was 3rd grade math paired with the reasoning ability of a monkey - about the mortality of covid... I do wonder what zoo - eh... school - you went to... People with an affini

Posted: 9 Days 9 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I think the lightness is in his touch above all, and also in his balance and phasing.

Posted: 9 Days 10 Hours ago by: HT

Isn't the lightness above all in his tone? I had the same problem with his Mendelssohn. It isn't just a matter of engineering. Henk

Posted: 9 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Nope. I had no interest in science either. Science however was easy and allowed me to sail through school just by simply taking and acing term finals. I spent most of my time reading, listening to music, and chasing girls.

Daniel_Gortler’s_Symphonic_Etudes_

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

In Romania, I guess? I don't know too much about him either tbh; but he certainly seems more likeable than Ionescu - not to mention Cioran... Okay, this is not a problem. The problem is rather that you were too interested in science (

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Mandryka

A sense of restlessness, impetuousness which I appreciate in this music https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kPhFuYArytlVWzWup2Jg_RkuQQ6wx7yZE&playnext=1&index=1 I first came across him in Mendelssohn, and I went back to his Songs

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

Seriously serious? This should be fun ;)

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

We can take it on to twitter, if you like. Not sure though what you are protesting against: a) That you are a greater self-hating Jew than Kissinger b) That you are not a a self-hating Jew

KV 453

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b8l4bfadx7ajoxv/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Caragiale was (and probably still is) required reading in high school. His output was mainly low brow comedy with some local color and without any intellectual pretense. I can reassure you and everyone else I had no interest in a

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

SERIOUSLY !!! dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

This is libel and I will sue you in a German court. dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Benjamin Ivyr for foward: "Noting that one of Kissinger’s first actions as Secretary of State was to revoke the standard procedure allowing Jewish State Department employees holidays on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, Rabbi Lamm cited ot

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Herr Kissinger is an even greater self-hating Jew than you are, Dan...

Posted: 9 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Herr Kissinger is a greater self-hating Jew than you could ever hope to be ;)

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

Through the second question it is implied, that I don't think you'd like Cioran. I agree about Cioran; and about Ionescu I don't know much, but from what I know, I'm not interested in him at all... just a guess. Maybe Caragiale for you

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

That reference was about Kissmyassinger, not about Kaplan. Of course not, and I never claimed otherwise. It goes without saying we all are amrchair generals. At the same time this does not imply no one other than the actual genera

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 15 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

The Vegh Schubert 9 on Capriccio lists the recording date as 26. & 28.03.1993 What's the recording date of the Schubert 9 on BMC?

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

You guys can dump all over Kaplan all you like. None of you can touch his understanding of international affairs, let alone Kissinger's. And neither can Isaac Chotiner for that matter. https://robertdkaplan.com/robert_d_kaplan_bio.htm S

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

Re: Balakirev piano rarities

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(Upcoming radio program featuring Balakirev): https://www.wfmt.com/2023/06/25/music-of-mily-balakirev

Re: Heinrich

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(Upcoming radio program featuring Keene): https://www.wfmt.com/2023/07/02/christopher-keene-and-the-syracuse-symphony

Superb Brahms PC1 for the weekend

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/ObN1Rfw13-g

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Kissmyassinger is not defensible: "if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.” What an excrement! dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 16 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Yikes! What makes you think I would read either? Cioran was eine große scheißen and Ionescu was une toute petite merde. dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Possible counterpoint: https://youtu.be/mnAo6T2JhS4 dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

No paywall as far as I can tell, and I do not have a subscription. dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Can anyone spell A-S-S-H-O-L-E ?!? dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 18 Hours ago by: mswd...@gmail.com

With quotes like the following, Kaplan appears to buy everything about why withdrawal from Vietnam on non-ideal terms was worth avoiding no matter how many the US had to kill: "Kissinger has, in fact, been quite moral—provided, of cours

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

Kissinger of course wrote many books. The one I most strongly recommend is "Diplomacy." It's his explanation of the past 500 years of international affairs/geopolitics - up through the 1990s. It's undoubtedly one of the most interesting an

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

“Like Palmerston, Henry Kissinger believes that in difficult, uncertain times—times like the 1960s and ’70s in America, when the nation’s vulnerabilities appeared to outweigh its opportunities—the preservation of the status quo

Re: Sir Ernest Hall -- worst Chopin on record! (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 19 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

https://youtu.be/AK_jm3Hz1Wk The best. Ray Hall, Taree

Re: Sir Ernest Hall -- worst Chopin on record! (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Not a relevant comparison. Hilfgott was a real pianist disabled by mental illness. The only competition to Ernest is Bernard Ruchtli's "A Tempo" project: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmyAMFyZ8tYlITcWpab5EGubYiJHXUEeJ Human

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 22 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

I’m sure David Hilf-gott would have given Hall a run in the irrelevant & incompetent amateur sweepstakes if he had entertained the idiotic notion of committing all of Chopin to record. Did anyone buy this crap? He recorded the 3 Bart

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/henry-kissinger-100-us-nsa-indira-gandhi-a-bch-8632336/ Henry K. is an excrement! dk

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Indeed.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOILZ_D3aRg

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

And who provides the melody? ;-) dk

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I think so too, from this set. dk

Posted: 9 Days 23 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Link please? It is time for you and everyone ekse to provide supporting evidence for one's claims. In my profession we like to say "in God we trust, everyone else please bring data". dk

Posted: 10 Days ago by: HT

Barenboim, by far. Henk

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mandryka

Especially remarkable given she was over 70 when she made that recording.

Re: OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess! (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

the best is Livia Rev, beautiful playing and piano AB

Re: Les Bunias causing global warming again! ;-) (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 5 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Let's not forget that other contributor to racial harmony in the State of Israel and the West Bank: < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VSO8DcoS0 > < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx_V8w2Iwto&t=16s > < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q

Posted: 10 Days 7 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

That was a follow up auto-generated by YouTube. It is not part of the same video. dk

Posted: 10 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

*this world isn't only about you.

Re: Les Bunias causing global warming again! ;-) (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

There was no question yet and it's perfectly clear - regarding the context - how this was meant. Being nitpicky in this regard just proves that you can't reflect... staying true to your monkey-reflexes I see... You didn't understand a s

Posted: 10 Days 8 Hours ago by: HT

The Ständschen appeared after the tango, without clicking. Henk

Posted: 10 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The question was about your reasoning, not about "the world" in general. Wrong again. I merely pointed out what appears like an obvious contradiction. This is not about my own beliefs. I did not state this. I merely asked for an ex

Posted: 10 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

The world is a little more complex than you think. Sometimes I get the feeling you always look at things in a binary way (maybe you worked a bit too long in IT); like for example: If you respect the bible, you must believe in it; and if

OT: Didn't I tell you so? The Brits created the Palestine mess!

Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Mandryka

That was exactly my reaction to the Gortier at first. It came really enthusiastically recommended and I just couldn’t see why. However - and this may not apply to you of course - I went back to it a few weeks ago and could see why someo

Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/ZXfuqUhzESg

Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Metronomic from the first phrase. I was surprised to by Boringboim, better than I had expected. dk

Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Mandryka

How about Daniel Gortier? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nFOPeI2gPaM

Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Doesn't quite add up. Care to elaborate? I ask the question.... Thx

Posted: 10 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

What happened must never be forgotten, not even in Olam Haba.

Posted: 10 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

*Not only on earth, I believe...

Posted: 10 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

As I've already told you, while I respect the bible, I don't believe in it. The holiest place on earth is Yad Vashem. And in a sense I draw my faith out of it.

Mendy's Lieder Ohne Worte

Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Amir Katz: https://youtu.be/bad5fY9ewdI Boringboim: https://youtu.be/9V7DYckpj8o Kyriakou: https://youtu.be/y1uvYdW8MSk van der Laar: https://youtu.be/CdDazqakigY Who do you like best? dk

Granados' Pleyel piano!

Mongolian piano concerto for a change

Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/ypKZpiG6GpM What a gorgeous instrument! Schubert/Liszt Serenade Saya Sangidorj

Lisitsa Schwanengesang with English Subtitles

Posted: 10 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/k7wZ8t5InMQ?t0 "Man and Nature" Concerto for piano and orchestra by Sansar Sangidorj. Saya Sangidorj-piano Joel Sachs-Conductor Mongolian State philharmonic orchestra. dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/OY9pZ4GNeDo

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The video is quite explicit about what Kissmyassinger did, or covered up, or made happen, that deserves contempt, or worse. This is not what the video was about. Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in South Asia did not ac

Posted: 10 Days 15 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

I can only guess what you're referring to. As to China, he had to deal with the circumstances that existed at the time. And it was correct to attempt to play China and the Soviets off against each other at that point. It was up to the se

Re: OT? - 2024 (thread)

Sir Ernest Hall -- worst Chopin on record!

Posted: 10 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

- Sooner will a camel pass through the eye of a needle, than a great man be found by an election. Hitler ("Mein Kampf")

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/yOUcRt4NqXE I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Pluted Pup likes these Nocturnes alla marcia. One can her every note! dk

Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

ROTFL !!! Kissmyassinger and his buddy Dick Not a Crook Nixon made some of the worst blunders in foreign policy any "statesmen" ever made. We are still paying the price today. dk

Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I wouldn't. I don't have time for this. My current top pick for Sheherazade is Leif Segerstam with Sinfonica de Galicia: https://youtu.be/zY4w4_W30aQ Beecham does not come close. dk

Re: OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

How would you compare that with this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyDNU9udNEU&t=124s

Re: Les Bunias causing global warming again! ;-) (thread)

Posted: 10 Days 18 Hours ago by: Phl Maestro

Written by Robert Kaplan for his 90th birthday: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/05/the-statesman/309283/

Posted: 10 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

?!? What Ständchen ?!? This is Piazzolla !!! You must have clicked on a different link !!! dk

Posted: 10 Days 23 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

According to the following: - Ansermet later would record the full score twice – in 1954 in remarkably good early stereo (but released at the time only in mono) with the Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire de Paris

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days ago by: Richard Kaplan

Ansermet's second Scheherazade was recorded in stereo in September 1954.

Re: Les Bunias causing global warming again! ;-) (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 2 Hours ago by: Mandryka

A good example of being both obvious in control and giving that off the rails feeling is Ton Koopman's Forqueray -- the whole CD is astonishing, he makes the music sound like a baroque analogue to Liszt's TEs. https://www.youtube.com/

Posted: 11 Days 2 Hours ago by: HT

Great Ständchen, but the man falling in love in the bachground is overdoing it. Henk

Re: OT: The Cassandra Crossing (thread)

Re:_Fauré-_Complete_Nocturnes_and_Barcarolles (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: number_six

and there's Joe Namath in Avalanche Express -- another train movie...

Posted: 11 Days 3 Hours ago by: Mandryka

And much appreciated by me at least.

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 5 Hours ago by: Kerrison

I've just googled the Morton Gould 'Quintessence' LP (PMC 7042-B Stereo) and clicked 'images' ... At the top of the cover it states: "Triple 'A' Rating from 'Hi Fi Music at Home' for Outstanding Composition, Performance, Recording" ... p

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Check this: https://youtu.be/CyBq2VUgUJs dk

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/JCfDSiQBsqA Enjoy!

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

One thing that annoys me about Matsuev is too much control, or maybe the impression that he is always in complete control and never flies off the rails like HJ Lim. His technique is on the same level as Cziffra, Petrov, Sokol

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I agree with you. I'd say it was a magisterial performance, both expressive and under control. That's quite an achievement I think.

Posted: 11 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerrison

Still with Duke Ellington but in "Living Stereo" not "Accidental Stereo"! .... Here is a favourite of mine, Morton Gould's arrangement of "Caravan" recorded in 1955 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI7WwXcMv_0

Op. 54

Posted: 11 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0b16dgpkny3kai4/Schuhmann%20Piano%20Concerto.m4a?dl=0

Posted: 11 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

My current top DBT pick is Fabienne Jacquinot: https://youtu.be/KoPP7h6pQnE dk

Posted: 11 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I can easily make up opinions when I don't have them ready! ;-) Thank you! As you know, DBT is extremely difficult to pull off musically live on stage. I do not recall a single live DBT that compares well with the recorded ones. El

Posted: 11 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

And Peter Tomasz: https://youtu.be/fkpIyu-pOyI https://www.youtube.com/@szczepanikpianist dk

Les Bunias causing global warming again! ;-)

Posted: 11 Days 11 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Yes the Silverman just caught my attention this morning and I was curious about whether you’d heard it and had an opinion. I haven’t had a chance to hear it again, I agree with you 100% about Pletnev, as you know. (I enjoyed sampling

Posted: 11 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/W_Jy3_q89-A

Posted: 11 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Here is another good one: Tony Yang: https://youtu.be/ZqdM4dzx1v8 dk

OT: Henry Kissinger is 100 and still free, somehow

Posted: 11 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Other Barcarolle readings I like: AdL: https://youtu.be/XJfeIyYVqz4 CYH: https://youtu.be/_SPtOdMggPo Cziffra: https://youtu.be/64GE8wBa0yE HJ Lim: https://youtu.be/baw7rBKKAEg Katsaris: https://youtu.be/AEszFQLdxGI Sofron

Posted: 11 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/kzL7t1m__xA Why do idiots live longer than intelligent people? dk

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 13 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/0FPVVY-PzF0 as I do not have a Spotify account. This is not new, I heard it when it first came out. I find it very heavy handed. He opens alla marcia and it never gets better from there on. One does not hear flow,

Posted: 11 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

*I fully agree; instead of I agree with everything you said... fits better in this case...

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 13 Hours ago by: Christopher Howell

May 1956 according to Mike Gray Gray dates the Gould 21-22-24 September 1955. But he only lists the mono number LM 1956 So it looks as if the Gould might have been the first to be made but the Rossi the first to be issued. Unless the Yo

Posted: 11 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Haha - I agree with everything you said... Matsuev is horrible - no sense for music at all...

Posted: 11 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

See what positive influence I have on you? At least HJ Lim's abysmal Brahms PC 2 doesn't rank at the top for you anymore; seems I got you back into your cave. No need to thank me, I did it for the music, not for you ;)

Re: Bach Busoni Chaconne D Minor BWV 1004 Valentina Lisitsa (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Haha - says who? The guy who salivated over HJ Lim's abysmal Brahms PC 2?

Bach Busoni Chaconne D Minor BWV 1004 Valentina Lisitsa

Posted: 11 Days 14 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

I forgot to add that there is a rather unique camera position, that being from a camera apparently hanging around her neck. What you see is a pair of disembodied arms hanging in space, playing the piano, not obviously attached to a body!

Re: Superb Symphonic Etudes by La Lisitsa (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 14 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOFflFiLlT8&list=RDbz2Z8wg4Ll4&index=5 Impressive!

Posted: 11 Days 15 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

Very nice! If you use this link instead... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ATJvN0FZxw&list=OLAK5uy_nAyXYDlwXt2y3ssPGu28Fd6aAzOdE-88o

Posted: 11 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Robert Silvermann’s Chopin Barcarolle https://open.spotify.com/track/1hBPE3k72qodpnWTksRqoj Thanks

OT: Marc's favorite YT channel

Re: Audiences hate modern classical music because their brains cannot cope

Posted: 11 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.youtube.com/@TBNIsrael https://youtu.be/CnWvntQo0CI Provided as a public service to you all. dk

Posted: 11 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/rec.music.classical/c/-8nBG6EjHOA

Re:_Superb_Davidsbündlertänze_--_José_Andrés_Nav (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 17 Hours ago by: number_six

Sorry, I don't know who is introduced. Gurrelieder is an ambitious undertaking.

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Can you point out by time marks the problems you detected? You appear to ignore the fact this was a live performance. There is no point in comparing against recorded studio performances that may still be ringing in your head. Can you

Goldberg Variations in San Francisco June 8

Posted: 11 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Far less so than Arrau or Backhaus. dk

Posted: 11 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.sfjazz.org/tickets/productions/festival40/brandon-goldberg/

Re:_Superb_Davidsbündlertänze_--_José_Andrés_Nav (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 17 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Concerning the 1997 movie "Gattaca": - The movie was promoted with a fake ad in the Washington Post for a company offering to genetically alter embryos with the tagline “Children made to order.” The ad had a list of genetic traits th

Re: Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

There are certainly attractive elements to the performance, but WAAY too much in the way of fakerooni, muddy textures, poor rhythm for me. His one strategy is to RUSH over passagework, when stability might reveal the lack of clarity. Bu

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

Haha, that Matsuev pissed on the said Appissionata doesn’t surprise me at all, since Matsuev and superb in the same sentence is as oxymoronic as it gets.

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

?!? I have no gaskets !!! ;-) dk

Superb_Davidsbündlertänze_--_José_Andrés_Navarro

Posted: 11 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graham

Calm down! Calm down!! You are in danger of blowing a gasket!

Posted: 11 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/917jajlAPEQ

Posted: 11 Days 19 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://countercurrents.org/2023/05/next-5-years-will-smash-global-temperature-records-says-wmo/

Re: OT: For Oscar -- hilarious talk about the JFK/Nixon debates (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Concerning the comment "It was reissued on the Quintessence label with a rave review printed at the top of the front cover.", wasn't it also issued as a Victrola lp?: https://www.discogs.com/release/5109213-Rimsky-Korsakoff-Morton-Gould-

OT: For Oscar -- hilarious talk about the JFK/Nixon debates

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYP8-oxq8ig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE61QJ3-GG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHjWb5XsAMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9cdRpE4KKc

Superb Symphonic Etudes by La Lisitsa

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/GaT6S_omkvg?t`0

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/bz2Z8wg4Ll4

Superb_Waldszenen_--_José_Andrés_Navarro_Silberste

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

The trams aren't confusing. It is when you are driving a car that the trams become confusing. Ray Hall, Taree

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/ej0cGLWRvOA

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Curse on Szell ?!? A disgusting reading. Curzon could barely play the piano. An impostor! Curzon was a Gramophoney marketing creation. An "honorable" "respectable", "tasteful" pianist for the British bourgeoisie. What a dreck! d

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

If I had to pick just one it would be Rubinstein/Krips. dk

Superb_Emperoar_--_José_Navarro-Silberstein

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

You also have no idea how to listen. This has been pretty obvious for a while. dk

Posted: 11 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/aB8iwAvf-Gs

Denis Matsuev -- Superb Appissionata

Posted: 11 Days 21 Hours ago by: Graham

I used them a lot during my recent visit and 4 years ago. The system is very easy to fathom out and use.

Posted: 11 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/ziTpYrVJmig

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 11 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Are you going to borrow someone's voice? dk

Posted: 11 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I hope you and everyone else realize the absurdity of this notion. How does one extract "conception" from sounds ?!? Your statement effectively means that you believe you recognize your own ideas and "conception" in someone else's perfor

Posted: 11 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Are you planning to borrow some voice? dk

Posted: 11 Days 22 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Another advantage is that you are unlikely to run into Desperate Dan because he's still stuck on a Melbourne tram trying to work out how - and where - to get off ... ;-) Andrew Clarke Canberra

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Marc S

*not decided, but realized.

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Marc S

Hehe, no problem. I recently decided that Brahms is not a composer I really need; meaning that I don't really care for him. -- I am by no means saying that Brahms is a bad composer and I still rate him highly, but he just doesn't come clo

Posted: 12 Days ago by: Graham

There's also Curzon/Szell.

Posted: 12 Days 3 Hours ago by: Barny

Too many 'good' performances, just don't know where to start. From the old gone generation I don't want to miss Gilels, Lupu and not to forget Gould's Brahms 'Intermezzi' from the 60's.

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

Guess I will have to sell the Gelber Brahms PC 1 CD or give it someone... I just don't need it. Just as I don't need the Maag Mozart CD I bought... as of yet: 2 cds I don't need... have to sort them out of my cupboard at least... I am ge

Posted: 12 Days 5 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

If you accidentally drop a bit of paper onto the footpath from your wallet - if Dan ever opens his - or your pocket, somebody is likely to pick it up and rather pointedly give it back to you ... Littering is almost as big a solecism as an

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marc S

no need Brahms, that's for sure now. So I only really need Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert.

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graham

For you, perhaps!

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Graham

and clean! When I lived in Perth in the early 70s there was a slogan: "Don't rubbish Australia." During my recent visit (Feb-March) I noticed that there was no litter so that slogan must have been successful.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marc S

*issues

Posted: 12 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marc S

Best Beethoven 9th - despite some issue w the recording quality: Erich Kleiber Wonderful conductor - I might have said some stupid things about him in the past on here, just as I did so often with other works and interpreters (especially o

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 10:18:27 AM UTC+10, Dan Koren wrote: Well, a lot of people are used to Western Europe where there's a village every two miles or so, and a reasonably sized town ever seven or eight. A city in this country

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

To coin a phrase, it's a nice place to live, but I wouldn't want to visit here ... People from Europe come here for the beaches and the warm climate, but it's expensive to get to, and distances within the country are enormous.. Food and d

François_Dumont_--_Liszt_Wagner_Transcriptions

Posted: 12 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Posted: 12 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/TlfoQtw39U8

Re:_A_thread_for_the_pfans_of_Pfitzner’s_lieder. (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: Kerrison

It says "1955" in the caption but do we have the actual recording date for the Mario Rossi LP? ... Morton Gould and his Orchestra recorded it for RCA in what was later described as "Living Stereo" in either 1954 or 1955 but initially rele

A_thread_for_the_pfans_of_Pfitzner’s_lieder._

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: Mandryka

My interest was piqued when I found this recording by Wolfgang Anheisser. It’s been transferred, on Spotify. https://www.discogs.com/master/1261978-Hans-Pfitzner-Wolfgang-Anheisser-Julius-Severin-Joseph-Von-Eichendorff-Lieder It’s

Posted: 12 Days 11 Hours ago by: Mandryka

What are the high points?

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 12 Hours ago by: Kerrison

Here is a Duke Ellington number entitled "Black and Tan Fantasy" which is captioned "1932 Stereo Sound" ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGt9uXmTd8A However, there are the usual contrary opinions about the "stereo" in the comments u

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 12 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I mean Mendelssohn variations sérieuses of course!

Posted: 12 Days 12 Hours ago by: Mandryka

This is often the case with Ugorski, most obviously in his commercial recording of op 111/ii. I feel Sviatoslav Richter was often like that - excellent piano playing but just not a very valuable conception of the music. We saw it recently h

Posted: 12 Days 13 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Was this the 1st stereo "Scheherazade"?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKvWMgvVXQ

Posted: 12 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

Yes, yes, go on continue shamelessly lying, just like you shamelessly used your relatives that were murdered in the shoah to seemingly lend yourself some credibility. Repeating your lies doesn't make them true ;)

OT: The Cassandra Crossing

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/cf_cHtA5hA4 O.J. Simpson's acting masterpiece ;-)

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 14 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

I took the chance to compare both in No.4 and agree that Oliveira conveys the music to me much better, whilst Ugorski is perhaps without doubt a better technician. Just goes to show .... Ray Hall, Taree

Posted: 12 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Stand as much as you like. The distinction between "better musician" and "more refined pianist" smells of irrational belief. How can one tell someone is a "better musician" if that person does not play the instrument (at least) equall

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: Music Lover

Anyone mention a couple Duke Ellington 'fake' stereo tracks from early 30's? One is on a Bluebird's Best reissue - Jazz Caravan. About eight minutes and a medly that smokes. In addition another track which may be only available on the

Re: OT: 5 charts that explain the California and Bay Area exodus (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Yes, she’s a composer, I’ve not heard her music yet. I listened to Ugorski and Oliveira playing the wonderful piece called L'alouette lulu and I stand by what I said - she’s the better musician, Ugorski the more refined pianist.

Re: OT: 5 charts that explain the California and Bay Area exodus (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

- ...The encroachments of the rich are more destructive to the constitution than those of the people. Aristotle

Re: OT: 5 charts that explain the California and Bay Area exodus (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 15 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

The following recent Yahoo news item may be of interest: "Nearly 75% of home purchases in a Bay Area city were made by LLCs or trusts. It's a trend among the wealthy."

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Youtube upload): "How California Destroyed its Middle Class (A Cautionary Tale) | Victor Davis Hanson"

OT: 5 charts that explain the California and Bay Area exodus

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

This seems to be closer to her personal style: https://youtu.be/lAE6fiZ8xqw dk

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/05/21/5-charts-that-explain-the-california-and-bay-area-exodus/ One can almost see Oscar gloating! ;-) dk

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

On first hearing my cats are not impressed. Not enough variey of sound and textures they say. They know a bird or two from direct contact. Was Messiaen a dog person? dk

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Andrew is better qualified to answer such questions than your truly. dk

Posted: 12 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Not enough to justify 17+ hour flights. dk

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graham

I meant should there be any other reasons?

Posted: 12 Days 18 Hours ago by: Graham

Are there any other reasons? :-)

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

BTW the most compelling reasons to visit Australia are the food and the wine. dk

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Haven't heard it. Mozart is not a high priority right now. dk

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Just like most other countries. I am well aware, used to travel there on business. Killer 17+ hours flights to Sydney or Melbourne, and my stingy employers were not willing to pay for business class seats. Big is relative, especiall

Re: OT: Why Singapore does not trust the CIA (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I read all his works. I explained earlier why I had to do it. ;-) dk

Re: OT: Why Singapore does not trust the CIA (thread)

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Correction: we do need a working CIA. The real problem is that the current one appears to be dysfunctional and under-performant. dk

Posted: 12 Days 19 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(Y. upload): "We don’t need the CIA - The Chris Hedges Report"

Posted: 12 Days 20 Hours ago by: Marc S

Haha, *Alban.

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Marc S

Look, how this all turned out: Andrew proved my -diagnosis- of him being a miserable person right ;) You missed out on Freud... you probably never read him; okay, maybe a few pages before your monkeybrain was going "?!?"

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Marc S

Depends on the viewpoint, I guess. What do you think about the following joke of Andrew btw: Andrew Clarke schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. Mai 2023 um 17:49:30 UTC+2:

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

"Nothing" is far better than the stuff between yours. dk

Posted: 12 Days 21 Hours ago by: Marc S

Good for you. I didn't like the sound at all... but I didn't notice it; should have though, after listening to the ugly faziolis in the vid you recently posted... *just talking about recorded faziolis; never heard one live, but general

Posted: 13 Days 1 Hour ago by: mINE109

That's something! I assume there's a lot of eq processing. The surface noise swish reminds me of low bit rate streaming these days. Thanks!

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Kerrison

Apologies for resurrecting this thread from nine years ago but more "accidental stereo" has meanwhile popped up on YouTube. It includes the 1930 Koussevitsky / Boston Ravel "Bolero" where the last two sides of three are in "accidental st

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 13 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

I know what's coming... One of the most miserable jokes... Goes on to show that you have no taste.... Let me explain to you why this joke is very bad: It aims at making the ineffable bearable for the Germans (psychology + sociology). N

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Sorry, I should have said Elena Bashkirova’s Mozart CD!

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 13 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Here's a funny joke for you, Marc. It comes all the way from Germany: Hans: Did you know, Heini, my grandfather died at Auschwitz? Heini: Your grandfather died at Auschwitz? That's terrible! Hans: Yes, he got drunk one night and fell out

Posted: 13 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I don't 'know for sure as it's a while since I listened attentively to Ugorski's Messiaen. I think the difference is as follows. Ugorski is the better pianist - a more refined touch and more subtle technique. Oliveira is the better musici

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

*who suffers from penis envy

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

This is precisely the reaction of someone who has penis envy, but doesn't want to acknowledge it ;) It does not help if you have nothing between your ears...

Posted: 13 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I am well aware. Thanks for reminding everyone else! ;-) ?!? I never found that stuff "interesting". I found it very very silly. I did .... 8-( dk

Posted: 13 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

*to seemingly lend himself some credibility.

Posted: 13 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Now you are showing me the monkeyway of attempting psychoanalysis... very interesting, Andrew the Ape. That's because you - just as it is with monkeys - have a limited ability to reflect on yourself. No problem. You can be an idiot - th

The Beecham 1957 Sheherazade

Posted: 13 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/cpvhvc31kFI For those who do not have an LP or CD version, this is your opportunity to download a copy from YouTube. dk

Posted: 13 Days 16 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "GUAM BRACES FOR SUPER TYPHOON MAWAR"

Re: Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue (thread)

Posted: 13 Days 16 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

No, the hospital bus to the nearest sheltered workshop, where the laptops are permanently connected to rec.music.classical.recordings ... Australia is a country whose international image is the exact opposite to reality. Yes, there are

Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

How does it compare with Anatol Ugorski? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kbfAKpFFZwq3MVtA5Iaby0sYdwIwoOLRM Sorry I have no time to listen now, today is car maintenance day. dk

Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Good ears! Yes, it is CYH. It is a quite remarkable performance, very lively. Many (most?) KV 453 traditional readings tend to be less playful and more "thoughtful". This one is now very near the top of my KV 453 short list. Meybe ev

Posted: 13 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I am well aware. ;-) The SpaceX shuttle to another planet? ;-) Looking at Australia's map, it does not seem roads and highways lead to any places other than oceans or deserts. So where do buses go ?!? I am well aware. During the

Re: OT: Countries That Will Be Destroyed Because of World War 3 (thread)

Posted: 13 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Oh, we don't do analysis any more, Dan, we just fill them full of valium and put 'em back on the bus. Psychoanalysis is one of those theories that has done the rounds of the academic departmental mail: it starts off somewhere respectable

Posted: 13 Days 20 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Youtube upload): "Trump Says Only He Can Prevent World War 3 | The Kyle Kulinski Show"

Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Thanks for clearing this up. Interesting. Hehe, I found it on yt. I'll look into it and look how he plays it there. *in hindsight it was stupid of me even doubting he didn't fuck sth up there (as another comment of mine said), thing i

Posted: 13 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Exactly my thoughts... (wanted to write them down before, then thought like: ah na... I don't want to engage w him no more...)

Jocy de Oliveira plays Messiaen's Catalogue

Posted: 14 Days ago by: Frank Berger

If you think there is a fair comparison between any American President's legitimacy and Castro or Putin the is nothing to talk about.

Posted: 14 Days ago by: Mandryka

I'm really impressed. She knows how to give the music a sense of coherence somehow. I have never been more impressed by a performance of this music. Streaming everywhere, examples on youtube, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 14 Days ago by: Owen Hartnett

Putin was elected. There were even people who voted for someone else. You might justifiably say those elections were fixed, but people said that about JFK's election, and they're still saying it about our current elections. https://

Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Todd M. McComb

Most of the music posts aren't of direct interest to me. That's just how it is. And the relatively small number of contributors doesn't help finding things in common either.... But I don't think that's unusual, across various domains,

Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

Isn't it generally accepted that Trump was a bad president as well? Now try to think for yourself... The pretenses were false; but Saddam Hussein was nevertheless a lunatic warlord and brutal dictator - it was very good that people got

Posted: 14 Days 1 Hour ago by: Barny

Just looked at my collection and identified this YT-recording to be the RB from Chicago, March-08 2008 Charles Dutoit & CSO (50'th CSO Anniversary). There is another Kissin/Brahms from St. Petersburg recorded by KulturaTV in 2008, and "no

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Paul Alsing

Well, I like it very much and have no issues with letting you know who it is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-uliwQARQ "Ching-Yun Hu is a Taiwanese born classical pianist, winner of the 2008 Arthur Rubinstein International Piano Co

Posted: 14 Days 2 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Is the Vegh Schubert 9 on Capriccio the same recording as on BMC? I don't know the recording dates of either.

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

maybe you'll count wkasimer, oscar etc among them... but hmmm... I don't know... people mostly recommended stuff here from what I have seen, I rarely saw - except in some cases - discussions that were going a bit deeper; mostly it was rat

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

Don't we have a lack of evidence in anyway whatsoever? What conclusions are you drawing exactly, and from what evidence? Could it also be that you retroactively idealize things a little bit at least? You only named 3 posters... and you p

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: Matthew Silverstein

Do we have evidence that people like Tony Movshon, Simon Roberts, Paul Kintzele, and others left due to death or old age (or due to the fact that they somehow became young and thus lost interest in classical music)? Matty

Posted: 14 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikRhcVDUSA

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

Most of us are shadows of our former selves. 1. Attrition due to death and old age combined with a declining interest in CM among young people. 2. Scared away by rudeness and hostility. Not sure we have evidence that there are many of t

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Matthew Silverstein

Schubert symphonies Mozart serenades and divertimenti Both on Capriccio, both with Camerata Salzburg. Not my favorites, but definitely distinctive and worth hearing. Matty

Posted: 14 Days 4 Hours ago by: Matthew Silverstein

"Why is rmcr a shadow of its former self? Where did all of the great posters of yore go? Why did they leave?" One wonders.

Posted: 14 Days 5 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

JFK was the elected leader of a representative government. Castro was not and Putin is not. That makes all the difference. To speak about a "sovereign country" is meaningless. There is a difference between a country and it's governmen

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Could it have anything to do with your being mentally still in 3rd grade? I have to say that I am struggling to find any point at all, apart from my being unaccountably miserable and Dave the Dude being a mensch, although we haven't got

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marc S

Well, just an idea, could this have to do sth with you being an ape? No. Wanna know why? Because this wasn't my point at all - no surprise you missed it completely...

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 02:28:05 UTC+1, Al Eisner wrote:

Posted: 14 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Andrew the Ape, eh? My goodness, that takes me back to my primary school days, all those years ago. But anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the above exchange whatsoever. Meanwhile, you don't care to refute my analysis of Dave and t

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

And you are just another monkey ;)

Re: Robert Craft complete Columbia (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Mr. Mike

Contents from hmv.co.jp (mediocre translation) Disc 1 Schoenberg: - Suite Op.29 Robert Craft (Conductor) Glen Johnson (piccolo clarinet), Hugo Raimondi (clarinet) William Uriate (bass clarinet), Israel Baker (violin) Cecil Fijeleschi (vi

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

What a demented joke... jt, you have to learn to reflect on yourself first, before getting into the psychoanalysis of others...

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

If you say so .... she is still just another seamstress. dk

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Are you sufficiently demented to provide psychoanalytical services at closer distances? If so, welcome to the team! ;-) dk

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

No, you are getting this wrong: To psychologically analyse the writings of others is not a sign of dementia, but just a reasonable thing to do - if you are not demented, but of clear mind that is, ofc. It is just a sign of dementia that

Superb op. 81

Posted: 14 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/dnarQ7fh1w4

Re: Robert Craft complete Columbia (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 13 Hours ago by: Mr. Mike

Robert Craft's 100th anniversary release. A musician who mastered the New Viennese School and the works of Stravinsky before Boulez Robert Craft, who devoted his life to the spread of 20th century music The whole picture of Columbia recor

Re: Robert Craft complete Columbia (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 13 Hours ago by: Mr. Mike

About time!

Posted: 14 Days 13 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

I am not sufficiently demented to attempt amateur psychoanalysis on someone located thousands of miles away, and whom I've never met. Meanwhile, would you care to point out which bits of Dave the Dude's criticism and the comments thereon

Posted: 14 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

Well, I did not either... I was obviously speaking about you, jt... and as you have explained very often, you don't like Chopin played on a harpsichord, so obviously you are following a rule here... I did not mean to imply that you want o

Posted: 14 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

*that doesn't mean you should jerk off to Trump.

Posted: 14 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

*exterminating the Jews See... your line of reasoning is as crazy as the line of reasoning of many Germans wrt the shoah and WW2 - you find excuses and explanations; you rationalize it (google this term, it is a psychological term): "If

Posted: 14 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

Not only the "easy" answer, but the very obvious and truthful answer - yes. Now you can imagine yourself a more "difficult" answer for this very simple problematic... like imagining that Biden is sort of responsible for the war, and that

Posted: 14 Days 14 Hours ago by: Marc S

So it was wrong of the Americans to kill Hussein? a "full war"?! There was never a "full war" in Afghanistan from the side of the USA; the USA supported the Afghan National military, but there was no "full scale war" in Afghanistan. "Wa

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Marc S

JT... try being a little more creative...

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Marc S

Don't delude yourself into thinking that you are actually able to follow the discussion, Andrew, it's plainly obvious you can't even follow your own thoughts. Try to reflect a little on your idiocy. Are you demented or sth?

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Good questions. Who is the tyrant? The easy answer would be Putin. But let's look at the past, specifically 1962. Castro in Cuba wanted Soviet protection in the form of nuclear missiles, which Khruschev supplied. JFK invoked the M

Posted: 14 Days 15 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Here in the US, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have hopefully prodded the public to read up more about it, rather than just blindly support a full war based on what's obviously a biased press corp. Wars are serious things where goo

Posted: 14 Days 16 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Yes. I caught that too. Obviously the script was written by someone familiar with classical music, but I had no faith that Blanchett knew what she was saying in her delivery of the lines. Also, when the orchestra played, they cranked

Posted: 14 Days 16 Hours ago by: Mandryka

No. Uchida’s approach works.

Posted: 14 Days 16 Hours ago by: Mandryka

No. Beautiful.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 17 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Even plainer and simpler might be to follow the discussion on Dave the Dude's reflections on Mr John Wilson's recent recording of Sergei Rachmaninoff's Symphony on YouTube. Mr Dallas finds it emotionally underpowered. From there, he makes

Posted: 14 Days 18 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

If you use a newsreader which allows you to see a full message index in chronological order, rather than just by thread (there was a time when google groups allowed this, and conceivably there is still a hidden feature), then you don't e

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

You must have meant anti-poetic. Also note these are Etudes, "anti-virtuosic" approaches do not work. Mme Uchida is a real sewing machine. dk

Posted: 14 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Underpowered and undermotivated. These are Etudes, not Nocturnes. dk

Posted: 14 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I never claimed one "should not" play something on harpsichords. Only pluted imbeciles waste their feeble brains thinking about what others should or should not do. If you like Chopin on harpsichords, go for it. dk

Re: Bach Liszt Transcriptions -- Artur Pizarro (thread)

Posted: 14 Days 21 Hours ago by: Marc S

*burning

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: KimDenmark

Wonderful. Also worth a listen: Petri, Cziffra, Kempff

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

*sort of

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

*actually I thought of knew how this would go, but wrote it anyway... for others to read, as well as for you ofc to wake up. Unfortunately, or maybe in your case rather fortunately that won't happen.

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

Hehe, as I already said: Talking to an antisemite is like teaching a monkey how to speak. Look you monkey, I tried to reason with you... my fault, I should have known how this would go... have fun rotting in hell!

Posted: 14 Days 22 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Conclusion, this is Dan's guessing game trolling. If he actually liked the recording he wouldn't keep the name of the artist a secret.

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

There you go again, you say "antisemitism is murder"! That's all you Jews ever say.

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

ah... I should hav eleft out the ofc I cant know this beforehand.

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Not even, say, that you shouldn't play Chopin on a harpsichord? I don't follow "any" set of rules as well. This is where we differ, I only like to hear Marc-S-approved-interpretations; ofc I can't know this beforehand. This goes for

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I don't follow any set rules. I prefer to hear fresh souding improvisatory performances. I know them when I hear them. dk

Posted: 14 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Let me ask you two serious questions: Who do think is the tyrant and should one rebell against him? (speaking of Russia's war on Ukraine ofc)

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Marc S

You go on living in your fantasy world. There is no place for discussion left with you. I gave you quite a few reasonable arguments already in our last discussion which you already seem to have forgotten. For example: The war helps wreck

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Marc S

Look, just as you are allowed to make idiotic comparisons and not be aware of it, the Ukrainian people are allowed to express their wish to join the NATO - whichofc is not an idiotic move if you understood their situation. "Rebellion to

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Owen Hartnett

You really have trouble making a point without lapsing into ad hominem. I suppose that means you lose the argument. -Owen

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Owen Hartnett

No country has the "right" to join NATO. Talk is cheap, except when the POTUS makes it, then rival countries take him seriously. Careless about the lives of others? You're the one who wants this war. You love this war! I'd rather h

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Marc S

What do you prefer YES-style-Mozart or "ticky-tacky"-prevailing-approach-Mozart?

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Marc S

Not really - at least if you don't like percussive Mozart. Huh? What are you imagining again... Look, I never said that there is only one possible interpretation; but that there is one interpretation that I like most. Very simple, unfor

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Marc S

This might seem this way to an idiot like you.

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Dan Koren

So your "ideas" are not even useful to you ?!? dk

Posted: 15 Days ago by: Dan Koren

Your "point" is entirely pointless. Your "observation" is irrelevant. There is room for more than one intepretation of a work of music, just as there is room for more than one way of acting Hamlet. Get that Kantian imperative "one a

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

and it seems to me that Bashkirov is sort of also referrign to a "clockwork" here... like clockwork-staccato-style or sth... "ticky-tacky"... anyway.... the touch of the pianist you posted is imo very ticky tacky... no smooth lines, just

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

Bashkirov as opposed to Kocsis probably uses pedal more (in Mozart)... but they are both a bit percussive... and I think this goes for Anda as well in some cases at least... from what I remember... They don't have a nice touch... not like

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Marc S

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I just googled the translation of ticky-tacky. Look at what Bashkirov says here at 1:44 about "ticky-tacky": https://youtu.be/xcFbp-KAujQ?t=100 What I mean is, that this is a little too percus

Re: Bach Liszt Transcriptions -- Artur Pizarro (thread)

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

If you don't like it you don't need to know. Lively, not "tacky". You need new ears. dk

Posted: 15 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

love the way he strike chords really beautiful playing, phrasing,good tuning,wonderful piano (what is it) thanks AB

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: Gerard

He surely is not a mensch, since he has acclaimed and crowned himself "The Ultimate Classical Music Guru" and has surrounded himself with only worshippers.

Posted: 15 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

You have said years ago already that Dave Hurwitz is of no use for you, all good, now carry on. As it seems though as if Dave Hurwitz is of use for you: To let out your suppressed feelings (say anger or we) on him every now and then. If h

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

No suprise, since my ideas would not be of use* for idiots. *I never said that humans can't be "useful" for each other generally, but that this world is _reducing_ humans to being useful. You have been shitting on Dave Hurwitz for ages

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Alex Brown

I was intrigued by the investment bakner Eliot Kaplan wanting to worm his way into conducting - presumably a reference to Gilbert Kaplan? - Alex.

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Let me reassure you, Marc, in the light of your previous strictures on the subject of usefulness, that I have never considered you either useful or, given your unique insights into the human condition, replaceable. Andrew Clarke Canberr

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

Wait until you discover how unfunny you are...

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

I am as surprised to discover that I am miserable as I am to discover that Dave the Dude is funny. He's not a mensch, he's a Munch, and I'm screaming .... See also comments at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3_zhTm0i8 > Andrew Clarke

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

You seem to have trouble assessing reality and putting yourself into other's shoes... people are dying in the Ukraine because of Putin, and you fantasize about Trump being a saviour... these are just hypotheses... if Trump didn't behave l

Posted: 15 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

There should be serious talk of the Ukraine joining the NATO because the Ukrainians want it - plain and simple. It is their right. That you want Trump to have squashed it just shows what a small-minded shithead you are; completely carele

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

into orchestra*

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

My guess about Kocsis and Anda was made in the dark (Anda's was especially stupid). Matsuev I thought of because of a link you recently shared, and then I just listend to like 5 secs of his playing (some random portion in the video) and t

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Certainly this was a stupid guess, couldn't have been the case just judging form the overall sound picture (does not sound like a later recording). Anyway... Kocsis it is definitely not. And and it's not Matsuev either.. just listened a

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Ah... maybe Matsuev...

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Kocsis would also probably add embellishments (? or how you call it). No, it's probably not Anda... hmmmm... I don't know who it is... but probably he is worse than Anda or Kocsis... in anyway I think both Anda and Kocsis have a sort of

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Oh it's Anda?

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

but kocsis would probably play it faster? Hmm... not saying it was Kocsis btw... but the playing is very ticky-tacky...

Posted: 15 Days 4 Hours ago by: Marc S

Who is this? sounds horrible... very ticky-tacky playing of Mozart... reminded me of Kocsis?

Posted: 15 Days 5 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

I can make any comparisons I want -- valid or not. So you came to the same conclusion I did. Blame on Zelenskyy? No. Biden's self-admitted extorted government changes to Ukraine helped put Zelenskyy in office. I'm sure Zelenskyy wa

Posted: 15 Days 6 Hours ago by: Mandryka

And having just played Ferber’s Bk2 again I still think it is the most beautiful Bk 2 I have ever heard. I also tried to listen to Ericourt, but couldn’t get into it at all! It just seemed glib, sketchy.

453

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw42ne3yb59evzs/KV%20453.m4a?dl=0

Re: HIFI... (thread)

Posted: 15 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

If one's ears can tell a difference, then it is what it is. If one's ears don't hear a difference, it doesn't matter. dk

Re: HIFI... (thread)

Posted: 15 Days 9 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I don't think it is plausible to say Class A is superior to other types of design. What may be true though is that it's much easier to build a good class A design, because you don't have to use so much negative feedback. But it's perfectl

Posted: 15 Days 11 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I’m really starting to enjoy the reflective, poetic, anti-virtuoso, approach of Uchida.

Re: HIFI... (thread)

Bach Liszt Transcriptions -- Artur Pizarro

Posted: 15 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Before one can answer you ought to define clearly what you mean by "superior", and provide the metrics that can or should be used to quantify "superiority". Otherwise any attempt to answer your question will turn into yet another pis

Posted: 15 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/W5x2ucMVGvA

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

*Didn't want to imply that outlawing antisemitism is in any way responsible for what is happening in the USA today when saying "Merkel and the Germans are much more responsible for the shit that is happening in the USA today" - "much more

Robert Craft complete Columbia

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

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Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

*serious about wanting to defend antisemitism

HIFI...

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: MELMOTH

- Class A is superior to all others classes (AB, B)... - the new HIFI equipment (electronics, loudspeakers) needs a period of RODING before delivering all its possibilities... I am interested in your opinions, O friends of RMCR...

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

Andy, you must know better than to expect that. Brahms of course died, so he can be referred to as "the late Brahms". In that context, "later" does not make any sense. Seriously, though, your topic is way way way too broad. If you wan

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Convert to islam, pray to Allah and join the Palestinian Islamic Jihad! These are antisemites defending antisemitism you could say... and don't forget to vote for Biden.

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

This insane notion is just a proof of you being an antisemite; and God knows that people like you would be an even bigger disaster for the USA (or the west) than the monkeys running the countries these days... *one major characteristic o

Posted: 15 Days 13 Hours ago by: Al Eisner

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Re: OT? - 2024 (thread)

Posted: 15 Days 15 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Should this person be Trump's running mate in 2024?: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/george-santos-fraud-long-island/672587/

Posted: 15 Days 17 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

And all this is a result of outlawing antisemitism. We need antisemitism to defend ourselves.

Posted: 15 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Very much so. My collection of John Wilson / Sinfonia of London recordings is growing, too - except for the English music recordings, which are the only ones Dave likes, because I don't need any more Elgar Serenades or RVW Tallises, I hav

Posted: 15 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

There are some that are more expensive on Amazon here in Ger as well, I think 30-40 Euros; so I was quite happy when I found them for that price, new and sealed even. Frank has found some on the cheaper side, 12$ new seems good to me.

Posted: 15 Days 23 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Concerto-Variation-Fugue-Theme/dp/B000A2ES92

Posted: 16 Days ago by: furrybear57

Just tried to purchase it on Amazon here in US....no way i am paying nearly $30 for a single mid-price CD that was probably priced .....has to be a cheaper site. :(

Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

If your mind were more open you would realize that Dave Hurwitz does not exist in this world to be useful for you or anyone, but to be himself, and he's a funny guy as opposed to the miserable guy that you are. This inhumane statement of

Posted: 16 Days 2 Hours ago by: Marc S

I was still half asleep when I wrote this and I didn't make my point clear enough I guess. I understand that you didn't compare the morality of Bach and Wagner (this is not the point I was trying to make), you compared the reaction of pe

Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

If his mind were more open, he'd be considerably more useful. Andrew Clarke Canberra

Posted: 16 Days 3 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

Re: claims about Bach -- they were not my claims, but those of a character in the movie. Nor do I mean to compare Bach to Wagner as far as morality goes. There have been several discussions here as to whether music composed by peopl

Posted: 16 Days 4 Hours ago by: cheregi

I wonder though if there's also an element of deliberately idiosyncratic extension or exploration though too, right, like here is 'the spirit of aksak filtered through my personal compositional sensibilities' or something like that. I fin

Posted: 16 Days 5 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

It is his voice that is unique and praiseworthy, not his acting. Ray Hall, Taree

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Are you willing to listen again to Panzerfaust? ;-) dk

Re: The most rivetting 4'33" on record! (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/LSTJcC14Blk?t=1620 dk

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Yes, it does. I've never heard the Berliners sounding better! ;-) dk

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Thanks for the pointer: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nb64dQy0_K4HudQstUoPMq-8oku6MCRoI The 7th piece "El pelele, Escena Goyesca" is missing from this playlist. Not clear if this is a deliberate ommission or a bug. I

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

I hear a sewing machine practicing, and sometimes marching with a metronome. Sounds like you are contradicting yourself. dk

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 10 Hours ago by: HT

She reminds me more of Prats than Bolet. I like Balada, though. Henk

Posted: 16 Days 10 Hours ago by: HT

I hear an impressive Goyescas, not my ideal Goyescas but nevertheless a great Goyescas. Henk

Posted: 16 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

No, I don't "quibble". J'accuse! ;-) dk

Posted: 16 Days 10 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

There was a TV mini series about a woman conductor on Channel 4 Walter Presents in the UK, so the idea isn't unique. The problem is that film makers aren't musicians and you have to be a musician to "get" how they think and behave. Mostly

Posted: 16 Days 10 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Dave is a complete media slut, but he's not stupid or uninformative. Like almost all reviewers, he can be taken in short doses with an open mind, and just used for anything useful he brings to the table. Nobody in their right minds takes

Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

One also has to realize, that many of these crazy transgender-people think of it as transphobic, that many men don't want to date a trans-woman like Ellie Kerry... well... that is obviously because Ellie Kerry and other Trans-women are not

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

I love how at the end of the vid another attendee - a true do-gooder and ribbon-bully, quite in the vain of people like Ray and Herman - comes up to defend this lunatic trans-doctor and says: "Just because you have a penis does not mean

Posted: 16 Days 11 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Teresa Escandon. May well be worth a listen. No vulgarity. Full of humanity, intimacy, colour, polyphony. Cuban. Looking on the web, she seems to have been close to Bolet.

Posted: 16 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

WRT Dylan Mulvaney: The way he represents himself as a woman is the way misogynists view women...

Posted: 16 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

Basically Transgender-Ideology itself is misogynistic and all the idiots supporting this - such as Biden, Ray, Ellie etc etc. *Bach's Johannes-Passion has some antisemitic moments I guess... but it's different from Wagner... sth completely

Posted: 16 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

Arkansas state senator asks trans-doctor if he has a penis - haha: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F0f0vgsRSvA

Re: The most rivetting 4'33" on record! (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

Haven't seen the movie... but Owen (as your idiotic assessment - which completely neglected the wishes of the Ukrainians - of Russia's war on Ukraine proved) you really need to understand how wrong the comparisom is you are making... No,

Posted: 16 Days 12 Hours ago by: Kerrison

Does this performance play outside Germany? ... It's Kirill Petrenko and the Berlin Philharmonic. Unfortunately his tempo was much too fast and as a result he knocked about a minute off the correct timing. Lawrence Foster's tempo was muc

Posted: 16 Days 13 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Owen it's spelt Berenstain, which seems closer to the Yiddish. It does avoid the 'steen' / 'stain' dilemma. Perhaps Ms Blanchett is planning a remake of 'Forever Amber'? Tar Tar For Now, Andrew Clarke Canberra

Tar -- the Movie Review

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Owen Hartnett

"T�r" is a movie starring Cate Blanchett about a woman conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic. They attempt to play some Mahler but never quite get around to it, never mind the Elgar. A few random thoughts about the movie: * The first se

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

I can think of no warmer recommendation than damnation with faint praise from David Hurwitz. Andrew Clarke Canberra

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Unless it's opera or ballet, it does not fall under Performing Arts according to the usual definition of the term. Anyway, you quibble. Andrew Clarke Canberra

Re: "YouTube Is About to Make a Big Change Viewers Are Going to Absolutely Despise" (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Chris, I've been watching concerts on Arte for a while now, and occasionally recommending particularly good ones here. I used to get frustrated when Arte links produced the dreaded "This programme is not available in your country" warning

Posted: 16 Days 16 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Why didn't you link to the actual article?: https://www.thestreet.com/media/youtube-is-about-to-make-a-big-change-viewers-are-going-to-absolutely-despise?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO It says, in short, that they're planning on 30 second unsk

Re: The most rivetting 4'33" on record! (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Thanks for the pointers. In their view, "Classical Music" does not belong in "Performing Arts" This says it all. dk

Re: The most rivetting 4'33" on record! (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 19 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Thanks for your generous help. One can probably imagine the sound. ;-) dk

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 20 Hours ago by: Kerrison

Oh, I see ... the BBC's own video can't be seen outside the UK. Here it is again but unfortunately uploaded by someone in the wrong screen ratio, so it's all squashed widthways. With something like the VLC Media Player you can change the

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

BTW I checked out a bit of his Rach in the video with Arie Vardi before - was curious and skipped to it... horrible...

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

*well there are things that I like of him that aren't heroic I guess (*just to be correct)... but no...

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

Ehh... and Bach ofc.

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 16 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

the problem for me is... with Beethoven... there is always something heroic.... like... at least in the things that like of him... similar to how I think that Mahler is a bit too whiney for me... I can't follow them... they have very beau

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

Sorry not interested in checking the links, but I would like to take a moment to say that Beethoven seems to have fallen out of my favour... there is a not a single symphony I miss... and also not a single sonata... or the late quartets..

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

*in general I think Freire is a good pianist; but not here in Brahms 1; just so it doesn't get misunderstood.

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

*that seems to be the case for me in other genres as well

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

*know ofc wtf...

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

Listened to Schiotz in "Die schöne Müllerin"... I liked him and also the pianist... but I just don't like Die schöne Müllerin... not a single song... I mean some interesting ideas maybe... I really love "Der Leiermann" (Hotter + Rauc

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

*not probably, but definitely. eh...and probably some others I can't remember... honestly... Freire is a good pianist I think... but Fleisher, Pollini and Barenboim all are very bad.... oh I don't like Rubinstein/Reiner here either. And

Superb Liszt 3 concert etudes -- CYH

Posted: 17 Days ago by: Marc S

I came to knew it through Dan's rec; with Schnabel (also a rec of Dan) probably my favourite... and Grimaud is okay if I remember correctly. The others I checked out I didn't like... Freire, Fleisher, Pollini, Barenboim... eh...and proba

Re:_Groucho_plays_Moszkowski's_Étincelles (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/AclQ0H4neEw

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

Thanks for the insigght. It should have been pretty obvious the main reason I posted the link was the likeness with Groucho, not the quality of the performance. Of course -- what else is new? No lessons here at all. Sometimes it

Wow! No YouTube link(s)

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Chris J.

Warning: no YouTube links here! https://www.arte.tv/en/arte-concert/most-recent/?genres=classical https://www.arte.tv/en/arte-concert/most-recent/?genres�roque https://www.arte.tv/en/arte-concert/most-recent/?genres=opera Chris

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/YXaleGxwJhA "Classical music is my wife, jazz are my lovers" -Denis Matsuev

Re: The most rivetting 4'33" on record! (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/tZdcsdO_McI

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

"Video unavailable!" "The uploader has not made this video available in your country" dk

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/0nZhw3wifeY etc ..... What pianists think about other pianists has nothing to do with how they play. Nothing. Neuhaus' genius was to teach his students the craft of the piano without destroying their personalities

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

So what? This is like saying buildings are more beautiful when one can see every brick. Polyphony is a tool. Craft, not art. dk

Posted: 17 Days 1 Hour ago by: Dan Koren

"Crystal clear" is precisly what this music does not need. This says it all! "Too intllectual" for HT means "as pedantic as one can imagine". Some people improve with age, some don't. If one cannot hear the metronome in Del Pue

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 2 Hours ago by: AB

have the Gelber, yes great AB

Posted: 17 Days 3 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Intellectual or not, I love his Quejas and balada.

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 4 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Wasn't Olivero's signature role "Adrianna L." which was the one opera that Callas never sang?

Re: Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 4 Hours ago by: HT

Del Pueyo's Goyescas are impressive. It's crystal clear, coherent, very precise. A bit too intellectual for my taste, like most of his interpretations. DK's hearing has become too sharp, with age. What he hears these days, cannot but el

Re: The most rivetting 4'33" on record! (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

I think I never heard anything by him... but I stopped watching the interview when he talked about Lubimov being some kind of Mozart or sth... Lubimov sucks ass, yet Mastsuev thinks of him as a great musician? Give me a break.... last stu

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 8 Hours ago by: Kerrison

It's the orchestral version which is the most riveting! ... Indeed, conductor Lawrence Foster had to mop his brow at one point, such were his exertions during this performance with the BBC Symphony Orchestra ... https://www.youtube.com/

Katsaris Latin American music recital 2007

Posted: 17 Days 8 Hours ago by: Mandryka

That the music contains so many passages with complex polyphonic textures.

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/GR0IkLj1Zhc?tA0

The most rivetting 4'33" on record!

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/0vzOWzxQDyA

Re: Stravinsky's later ballets (thread)

Denis Matsuev interview with Arie Vardi

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I'm continuing to enjoy later Stravinsky. Le Baiser has become a favourite. Exploring some of the works I know less well like the Symphony for Wind Instruments. I just love Stravinsky's harmonies and orchestrations. He was the contemporar

Katsaris about Cziffra's Bumblebee transcription

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/dJxIfa05LFw

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/xG46sTESrQM https://youtu.be/d-v1PKd7QhM

Re: La Wang op. 81 (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

IMHO she is a better accompanist and chamber music partner than she is as a soloist. dk

Re: La Wang op. 81 (thread)

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 9 Hours ago by: HT

Thanks! She is great in chamber music - as she is as an accompanist. Henk

Posted: 17 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

So what? Feel ?!? ROTFL !!! Let's be serious. This is brutal machine playing. Mechanical, metronomic, colorless. That machines can play the piano? dk

La Wang op. 81

Posted: 17 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/NGF4ERKrZsQ

Posted: 17 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

i don't know, maybe it's on purpose, but it doesn't work...

Posted: 17 Days 12 Hours ago by: Marc S

No, it sucks... just listened a bit into the second movement... and... listen to what is happening at minute 24:43-44 https://youtu.be/DbPKJlHaDv0?t80 He pretty much fucks sth up here... Anyway Gelber is still the best; and this versi

Posted: 17 Days 14 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

Actually, Number. - excuse the informality - the concert is from 2011, so not all that recent. But Sir Simon is going to conduct Schoenberg's Gurrelieder in Munich next season. One mystery - at the end of Coro, a youngish man comes onto

Posted: 17 Days 14 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Thanks for mentioning this, I didn’t know about her Chopin recordings at all. I’m hearing thr nocturnes for the first time now.

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 14 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I’ve really been enjoying a couple of things by Mozart she recorded.. K573 which is a gigue, and K574 which is a set of variations. In truth, when I’d listened to her solo Mozart before it was the Denon set, which only has the sonata

For the weekend: Urmas Sisak -- Sky Cycles for Piano

Posted: 17 Days 15 Hours ago by: Mandryka

Very polyphonic, he’s got a real feel for the complex textures - and I what he does is sometimes quite heartfelt and intimate. I think it’s a revelation actually. Tiring sound though, in the sense of closely recorded. I haven’t h

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urmas_Sisask https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0jUISjUAi6xjKcsdWJhWQg/playlists

Posted: 17 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Very heavy handed. dk

request

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 17 Hours ago by: jagareco

i´m looking for an 2017 concert Marianne Crebassa and Tugan Sokhiev in Paris, performing Ravel it was in Medici TV (i don't have a subscription) regards

Posted: 17 Days 19 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

They are still there regardless. I just ignore them or laugh or feel pity. Either way I pay no attention to trolls, and they don't rock my boat. They will however always fill up the ng bandwidth, and drive potentially interesting contribu

Posted: 17 Days 19 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

I enjoy his Piano Sonata, but it takes some work....

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 19 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

I also like Berio's Sinfonia with all the musical quotations, and especially the Mahler 2nd quotation that appears in the 3rd movement, and which is written as to appear veiled (behind a thick curtain). Amazing orchestral writing. Am not

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 17 Days 20 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

It was indeed a lovely Spring day today in London. I went out and had a Guinness with an A&R guy. I hope for many more days like this before it gets too hot to enjoy going out in the heat.

Posted: 17 Days 22 Hours ago by: KimDenmark

Eduardo Del Pueyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOxBXNEZjQg

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 18 Days ago by: Andy Evans

I've never heard of Aksak so I checked out the YT tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvoDldJGGs Here are 2 examples of unusual beats I find interesting: The beginning of St Vincent - "Cruel" Tony Williams "Ego" https://www.yo

Posted: 18 Days ago by: Mandryka

Listening now, and enjoying. Thanks v much. Will say more if I have more to say.

Posted: 18 Days ago by: number_six

Recommended -- Berio, Folk Songs, Jard van Nes on Decca

Posted: 18 Days ago by: number_six

I'm glad to hear this getting a recent performance. Coro, with the composer conducting Radio Koln, was included in the DG 20th century classics cd series.

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days ago by: HT

His Études and Preludes in Aksak rhythm illustrate what he meant by it.. If you are interested in it, you can look it up in the scores. They are available on Presto Music. The following might be of help, if you need any. This is the ab

Re:_Groucho_plays_Moszkowski's_Étincelles (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: Todd M. McComb

I had a problem like this recently with Qobuz, and they responded the following day to my inquiry. Since the demise of Harmonia Mundi, though, I don't have another access.

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: Frank Berger

CS CD4197 contains op. 72, nos. 2, 6 and 13.

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: Todd M. McComb

He seems to have been a part of regularizing it, but I don't have any real info....

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: Ellie Kerry

The aksak ('limping') rhythm has been a fascinating object of study for multiple generations of 20th-c musicians and musicologists since it's one of vanishingly few parts of Ottoman music actually retained from the Turkish Turks' Central

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 1 Hour ago by: Mandryka

Well it's a lovely Spring day today in London and so I thought I'd try Papavrami and Guy playing the Spring Sonata. I think that Guy's piano playing in this sonata is absolutely wonderful and a reason in itself to explore the set if you're

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: HT

My tastes are simple. Performances should be easy to listen to - and, if necessary, easy to look at. It's one of the reasons why I cannot stand for example Trifonov, Kopatchinskaya, Takacs quartet, and Gergiev. Not to mention opera and ba

Re:_Groucho_plays_Moszkowski's_Étincelles (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Graham

Get Thunderbird. Not only can you kill-file MS but also threads that don't interest you.

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Russ (not Martha)

Never on commercial CD AFAIK. I remastered the Vered Moszkowski recital from a Connoisseur Society In-Sync cassette several years ago. Russ (not Martha)

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 2 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Since people have been mentioning both Stravinsky & jazz frequently.... Swiss-NYC pianist Sylvie Courvoisier created a solo piano _Rite of Spring_ together with a contemporary dancer, but the Stravinsky Trust nixed it, saying she would ha

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Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Marc S

I feel like Disaster Girl: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/04/30/multimedia/30xp-meme/29xp-meme-superJumbo-v3.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp In case it doesnt work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Girl

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Albert Gonzalez

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Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Thanks Frank. Yes, I use google groups. I'll have to look at Thunderbird. It would be wonderful to be rid of Marc S and all his unending crap and just see music posts.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Thanks Andrew. I'm enjoying it. Reminds me of late Stravinsky. And coming directly from Puccini I can also see a superficial resemblance there. I'll have to give Berio more listening, though not his arrangements of Beatles songs. What I

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Thanks Todd. I don't even know what a "newsreader" is but I can look it up. Anything to get rid of Marc S would be a mercy.

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

As discussed here many times, there is no "usual ng interface." I assume you mean google groups which is one way to access news groups. It's a primitive way, but free. "Other kind of software" means news readers. Yes they are software

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Yes, absolutely. For instance I find HJ Lim plain weird and thoroughly enjoy Backhaus, but I imagine I'm not the only one there. I'm aware of my usual filters... - I dislike grandiose music and grandstanding performers, especially Bern

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

I'm just using an ordinary newsreader, from close to 40 years ago. I'd think they'd all have filters, but I guess I don't know details for other random systems at this point....

Berio. Coro. Berlin Phil.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andrew Clarke

I was going to put this in the Later Than Brahms thread, but that discussion has been battered to death by the usual suspects. What a work Coro is. It's for forty singers and orchestra, and in this performance the singers were distributed

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

How do mean "really easy"? I just use the usual ng interface. Are you talking about some other kind of software?

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

It's really easy to filter out messages by particular posters, and never see them. The group is much better without having to see anything from DK, for instance -- and I've been tempted to filter any replies to him too, but haven't yet.

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Fans of "Vissi d'arte" may find the following of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-zwslk9l6E

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: HT

Have you tried Benita Meshulam? She captures what I call the intimacy of the Goyescas. Henk

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Fans of "Vissi d'arte" may find the following of interest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-zwslk9l6E

Posted: 18 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mandryka

In small doses

Re:_Please_recommend_me_some_recordings_of_Granados (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mandryka

I think it’s an interesting and challenging opera - I don’t know Vixen but on the basis of the Janacek operas I have heard, I can imagine you’re right. I’ve never heard a recording of Fanciulla but I’ve seen it once, Royal Oper

Posted: 18 Days 4 Hours ago by: Mandryka

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Posted: 18 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Just started listening to Fanciulla del West on YT, Tebaldi etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaGe5qxo4zg Strangely the music reminds me of Janacek operas, especially the Cunning Little Vixen. Fanciulla is 1910 and Vixen is 1923 so i

Re: Grovesnor recital livestream (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

I haven't read about what this opera is about - but I guess; say if you are portraying a brothel or sth I could understand it... but 25+ or sth... maybe even naked then... but the idea of 16-18yos or sth in flesh-colored underwear for m

Re: Grovesnor recital livestream (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

I should also add that pedophile in this case is the wrong term... because that would indicate a sexual interest in children (meaning persons that have not reached puberty yet; which ofc is not the case here). Furthermore - as pointed ou

Re: Grovesnor recital livestream (thread)

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 5 Hours ago by: Marc S

You seem to misunderstand that Mandryka was disappointed that they would be performing in flesh-colored underwear and not nude - which i find a bit creepy... read the full thread... In some cases such things (performing in flesh colored

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 6 Hours ago by: HT

I fully agree, and yet, we often disagree about specific performances. It once again confirms how difficult it is to express our likes and dislikes in music and/or to objectively perceive music Henk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: AB

basically agree AB

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

And it should be mentioned that you kept your mouth shut on pluted's antisemitism, instead you were solely focused on denying that you are in any way an antisemite... very funny...

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

Okay I have to correct myself: I also called out your antisemitism on this thread. And I'm perfectly fine with this.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

Look you monkey... learn to think properly... pluted was being antisemitic again and that has been called out... just as civilized people do... I get that you are a monkey though.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Yet again this thread has been destroyed by accusations of antisemitrism. It started off like many, many other threads as a perfectly innocent discussion of music. Then the usual poison started happening - Marc S sprayed out multiple accusa

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

The thing, Andy, is this: You are the one making unfounded accusations against a) Frank (who seems to have never called you an antisemite - I can't recall it either. Neither did Dan) and b) more imporantly against Israel (*the IDF purpose

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

I think my main problem with Végh (I only know about his Mozart) is that the colors he gets out of the orchestra seem to be very vibrant/virulent.... similar to Fricsay... also too shrill very often...

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Some like "expressive" self-indulgent readings that pull the music about. I'm not one. I like intelligent and insightful performances that have balanced tempi and a naturally musical melody line. Some degree of charm is an added bonus -

Re:_Groucho_plays_Moszkowski's_Étincelles (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 9 Hours ago by: Gerard

Thanks. You confirm my impression that the review was overenthusiastic.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 11 Hours ago by: JohnGavin

The performance is technically perfect - yet the sparks don’t fly. Also note that he plays Horowitz’ very effective ending, but drained of the effect. The audiences’ reaction in the end was tepid and dutiful, unlike Horowitz’ audi

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 11 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

No I don't. I have no feelings one way or the other about Jewish people or any other religion or race. If you make accusations of antisemitism that's YOUR problem, not mine. But be aware that, as in Social Skills 101, when you make unfo

Posted: 18 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

I can't... this was beautifully written and so point... Thank you.

Re: Cyril Smith's Rachmaninoff

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Posted: 18 Days 13 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(Upcoming radio program): https://www.wfmt.com/2023/06/11/the-artistry-of-british-pianist-cyril-smith

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 14 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://news.yahoo.com/news/m/0c795eb7-46d3-35bd-b5dc-8ada48062dd1/youtube-is-about-to-make-a.html

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 14 Hours ago by: vhorowitz

Such language and moronic posturing only shows you as the lowlife you aspire to be. Congratulations on achieving another level of douchedom. I think it’s time for you to retire again from this forum, before you accidentally say somet

Posted: 18 Days 16 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

Yes.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "Self-Checkout Machines Now Ask For TIPS | The Kyle Kulinski Show"

John Foulds -- Cello Concerto in G major - Raphael Wallfisch

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Graham

Pot, kettle, black?

Posted: 18 Days 17 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/sr5XG-VOVYQ

Groucho_plays__Moszkowski's_Étincelles_

Posted: 18 Days 19 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

Yes, OK.... I see that Saygun is actually rather well-recorded, with various sets on Cpo. The String Quartets seem like potentially more my thing....

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/DP40i40Nrqg

Claudio Monteverdi - L`Orfeo -- Jordi Savall and accomplices

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Indeed he doesn't. Andy suffers from a disease that is quite common on r.m.c.r: he believes everything he writes is so completely self-evident that no proofs or supporting evidence should ever be required. dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/jUep3sqe35o

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

I don't believe Andy usually responds to requests like this. Andy accused me of something once, not sure what, possibly accusing someone of antisemitism, which I don't think I have ever done in RMCR, and challenged him to find one exampl

Posted: 18 Days 20 Hours ago by: HT

I probably misunderstood your post. On Albany, Kathryn Woodward has recorded a selection of those études. On YT there is a complete set: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0WscvbZk5I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ultgngo4_TQ Henk

Egarr Manze Bach Plucksichord Concerti

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: HT

This one, for example? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD21CBN6KkE Henk

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/QEUK-jEcnvI https://youtu.be/rTlar84uaKA

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The scuttlebutt is that Callas prevented the Met from engaging Magda Olivero for as long as she could. The latter is widely considered to have been the finest Puccini soprano ever. dk

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Magda Olivero Vissi d'Arte 1975 Met debut: https://youtu.be/2vlD3sK-O8o dk

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Magda Olivero 1949: https://youtu.be/HjOt3O5RVKg dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Raising my hand. dk

Lisitsa Recital Beethoven Brahms Schumann Schubert Liszt

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Can you point to actual examples rather than preach netiquette? Thx

Posted: 18 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/sJPIi_MrTWA

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Just to have a conversation with the person in the mirror? dk

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Todd M. McComb

I'm not sure I understand that last sentence. Is there a (commercial) recording? I see there is a Naxos recording of other piano music....

Modern music (post 1940)

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: HT

For years, I have been interested in the Turkish composer Ahmet Adnan Saygun. Saygun wrote in the 1960s a set of 10 études, based on so called Aksak rhythms. Aksak is a term in Ottoman musical theory, and refers to patterns of uneven rhy

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

What a funny day on here... so beautiful.

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

It's just really just too funny... "flooded"... "most of which get regularly ignored, including by me"... I canÄt stio laughing I cant even write

Posted: 18 Days 22 Hours ago by: Marc S

Pure gold.

Posted: 18 Days 23 Hours ago by: Marc S

What do you think? Has Herman had it?

Any fans of Puccini here?

Posted: 19 Days ago by: Andy Evans

Listening to the start of Suor Angelica....... nice

Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: HT

Thanks, Arri! Henk

Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: JohnGavin

https://youtu.be/mwBuhTZtDT0

Posted: 19 Days 1 Hour ago by: AB

not 4 hands, that means ONE piano........ this is 2 piano version AB

Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

If you want to learn Esperanto here's the website..... https://lernu.net/

Re:_"The_Worst_Piano_Recording_of_all_Time?_My_Reaction_to_Nyiregyházi's_Liszt" (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

Idiots? https://giphy.com/gifs/film-classic-robert-de-niro-RajQbPxNxsf84

Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2022 Y. upload): "my favorite part from one of my favorite recordings ever (E.Nyiregyházi)"

Re: Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 3 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(2023 Y. upload): "What is a DEAD LANGUAGE? Can You Be Fluent In It? Should You Learn One?"

Beethoven violin sonatas by Papavrami and Guy

Posted: 19 Days 4 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I have a few problems with this duo - They're not always well synchronised - They pull the music about quite a bit trying to be expressive - I'm not a fan of Papavrami's violin tone. So I'm afraid it's a no from me. My notes for the vio

Posted: 19 Days 4 Hours ago by: Gerard

https://www.davidsclassicalcds.com/blog/beethoven-with-a-breath-of-fresh-air

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 5 Hours ago by: Gerard

Having brains prevents almost everyone else from posting neverending garbage.

Posted: 19 Days 6 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

That is a true statement. It is irrelevant, though.

Re: music post 1940 (thread)

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 6 Hours ago by: Marc S

Kind of funny to see how butthurt Herman deleted all his posts... Dan only needed to say "Serkin is sounds like a typewriter" for Herman to go bonkers... "You are a racist etc." Now Herman could ofc reflect a little and ask himself if his

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

As much as I like the phrasing of his divertimenti I feel it's a bit too much in your face... never liked him the Mozart Symphonies I have to say... see him here in a divertimento: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj5ie1vU5GM Like there

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

Fricsay's and C. Kleiber's Mozart - from what I remember - are less weighty than Véghs though... maybe one could say that in terms of phrasing early Fricsay was more similar to Kleiber (but Kleiber is using way more Rubato) and later Fri

Re: music post 1940 (thread)

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Robert Marshall

Henze symphonies (well the later ones) Fauré (if Janacek is in this list..) the spare late piano works not Poulenc here (I see the piano works above!)? Gurney (maybe) Robert

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

In a way what I like and dislike about Végh's Mozart is similar to Fricsay's... thinking about it more... in terms of phrasing etc Fricsay and Végh seem to ahve more in common than Fricsay and Kleiber... at least wrt Mozart...

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

In the Mozart PCs he is a good accompanist from what I remember... and yes, he is not as driven as Kleiber... but I don't think too highly of him... there is not a record of him I would rank at the top; okay maybe the Posthorn... Interest

Re: Maria Tipo Busoni Bach Transcriptions (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

I already knew about Végh being one C. Kleiber's favourite conductors - he often went to him to hear him play. Karajan was another of C. Kleiber's favourites. I'm not too sure but I think that Karajan was not too fond of Erich... The pr

Re: Maria Tipo Busoni Bach Transcriptions (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

It's like he is so butthurt that he will find fault with everything - just not with himself...

Re: Maria Tipo Busoni Bach Transcriptions (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

In any case... maybe I should check out Tipo's Bach again... I didn't think it was bad - from what I remember - but I felt it was not quite as good as other stuff I heard...

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Marc S

Andy is really in a good mood today it seems...

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 7 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

The hole saw should work if you take it slow. WD40 is a good cutting lubricant for aluminium. With aluminium some cutting fluid is needed to stop balling. Oil or paraffin would be ok. Another idea - several holes with smaller hole saws. Or

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

13. "Palestinians" resemble the KKK, not the IDF - Marc S.

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Next theme: new/fresh 1. New Life - Depeche Mode 2. Fresh Cream - Cream 3. Brand New Morning - Magnum 4. Fresh Fruit - Procol Harum 5. New kid in town - The Eagles 6. Symphony 9, "New World" - Antonin Dvorak 7. Starting Over Again - Natali

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

Many think of the muslims as the new jews*

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

What do you think about the Hoffmann Bechstein upright? And btw... I think Ravel sucks.

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

I had a chance to audition Magico loudspeakers the other day at KJ W1, but the transport links were poor so with much regret I passed it up. I wanted to talk with Alon Wolf, the founder, about how to damp aluminium panels, since I have an a

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

*I think it was rather that they equated the IDF with the KKK; because right wing government in Israel means that the IDF is KKK...

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

The whole of YT is "potentially interesting". It requires more than a link to start a subject worth discussing. This is no different from gggg.gggg's endless links No difference at all.

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Marc S

Well... I am no lawyer... I can't say... but after thinking about it more thoroughly... hmmm... it's probably difficult... even if it were on YT... so many factors at play... it also depends on the court. There are some things - such as

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

RMCR has one or two well-known trolls who do what trolls do, but please stick around and add your thoughts and contributions. You're always interesting.

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

If you leave there will be one fewer Neanderthal. Bollocks. Nothing prevents you or anyone else from posting 10x more than I do. You are simply looking for pretexts to cover up your lack of ideas and musical interests. dk

Posted: 19 Days 8 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

This is precisely the point made in the video. Thanks for the summary. dk

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

No one forces you (or anyone else) to read articles that don't interest you. Highlighting performances as potentially interesting to others does not require "narratives". At least not for people who can read and can (supposedly) list

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Herman

Andy, you know better. DK is basically an illiterate teenager watching youtubes all day. The romance languages did not evolve out of Caesar's Latin. Latin was an upper class written language. The Romance languages evolved out of the ve

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Did the KEF 105 come before the B&W 800 series or the other way around? I think the 801 was launched in 1979.

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Why should I? You are capable of writing sentences and introducing subjects yourself.

Re: Cyprien Katsaris live in Budapest - Bach Concerto BWV 1054 & (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

What "narrative" are you looking for? Something other than an endless stream of YT links with no text attached

Re: Maria Tipo Busoni Bach Transcriptions (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Don't listen to Andy. dk

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

No rush, whatever suits you. dk

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Read the details on YouTube. dk

Re: Cyprien Katsaris live in Budapest - Bach Concerto BWV 1054 & (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Lisitsa playing Schubert's Piano Sonata no. 20 D.959. What "narrative" are you looking for? dk

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Don't listen to Mozart

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

No idea what this is about - please post some kind of narrative.

Re: Maria Tipo Busoni Bach Transcriptions (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

No idea what this is about - please post some kind of narrative.

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Not in the mood for Bach. Listening to Stravinsky

OT: The Day Latin Died

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/Sq-JEgVjbsc

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Threads have lives of their own! ;-) I'd rather stick it to the subject. dk

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Oops! I meant on r.m.c.r. Should we start double posting r.m.c.r. discussions on Twitter? Intriguing thought! ;-) dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Marc S

I would assume so. In this case though the antisemite (Michael Blume) wasn't sued for anything, as I said: he still holds his position (which ironically is to combat antisemtism). As far as I recall the case was sth like this: The la

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 9 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Just a reminder that this thread is about "Music later than Brahms" Please stick to the subject.

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Fascinating! Thanks for the info. This means you can be sued in Germany for your anti-semitic rants on YouTube? dk

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Quite some hands! ;-) dk

Re: Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: HT

Thanks! Best 4-hand version I've heard. Henk

Germany: An official who is supposed to fight antisemtism is

Posted: 19 Days 10 Hours ago by: Marc S

And another funny thing to add: Michael Blume cries on twitter about being a victim... Just like Herman and Andy and Henk... Michael Blume does not reflect on why what he said was considered antisemitic - even after a court ruled so - in

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

There was this case in Germany last year in which a guy - Michael Blume - who is an official to fight antisemitism was called antisemitic. He - similar to Andy and Herman - felt this was injust and tried to go against it; well... court rule

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Yada, yada .... It is actually a mix of evil, stupidity, virtue signaling, hypocrisy, political correctness, deceitfulness, and puritanism, misogyny, and racism. Far worse than any single component by itself. dk

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

The "contributions" of anonymous trolls is null and void by definition. No worries, your presence or absence make no difference to r.m.c.r. You are an anonymous troll. No more, no less. and nothing else. dk

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

It's also remarkable how you play the victim - just as the Palestinians and Andy do... you promote antisemitism... and when confronted with it... you cry - in the vein of Greta - "How dare these people accuse of of antisemitism"... No ref

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Easier than with a wedge of Gouda. I don't. You just don't understand the distinction between dislike and hate. This is rather surprising considering you claim to have been trained as a linguist. You also do not seems to be aware

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

And it's also interesting wrt Herman... you see... he seems to be more aggravated that I use the word tits and that I speak about this very serious issue, than that NLD and other European countries legitimate barbaric practices such as cu

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

I should also add that all our interactions showed that you are pretty much a despicable human being... just as Herman and Andy.

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

It's just the truth my friend, no accusation... you are an antisemite and a racist.

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

It actually does. Total non-sense. Listen and figure things out if you have any hearing left. Serkin had the ugliest sound ever produced from a piano: very steely, harsh, colorless. He played like a metronome. And so did his son.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

No, I don't. I never claimed she did. dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

Just to add for the idiots here: I never said that I know everything about CM... I just know good music...

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

Same shit with Herman btw... he likes to shit on Dan... and profess how he is against antisemitism etc... but when it comes down to it... he reveals himself to be an antisemite as well... He likes to shit on Trump... but no words about G

Posted: 19 Days 11 Hours ago by: Marc S

What is remarkable about monkeys like you (and this is sth that Adorno - if I remember correctly - also talked about in "Meaning of working through the past") is how you get all heated up about things that are pretty harmless - say: Me ta

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Herman

It doesn't take any listening. Just check the bio and he or she is bad. Serkin spent most of his life in America, yet, he was German born, so a bad pianist. Peter Serkin was USA born &c, but his dad was born in Germany decades before, so

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Herman

It's like arguing with a brick wall. This guy hates virtually all German - Austrian pianists, just for racist reasons.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

And you think H J Lim "sounds as if no one touched the keys" ???????.

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Prokofiev was a giant alongside Schoenberg, at least for the 'little' people like myself..... Permit me to join you in the 'little' people....

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: raymond....@gmail.co

Apart from Schoenberg's Gurrelieder, he wrote little that should bother most people's time and effort. Prokofiev was a giant alongside Schoenberg, at least for the 'little' people like myself. As for someone who is a classical newbie, an

Maria Tipo Busoni Bach Transcriptions

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Andy Evans

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/tNIurA7m5bw

Re: coronavirus COVID-19

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 12 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mcdonalds-found-liable-hot-chicken-mcnugget-burn-lawsuit-rcna84145

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Toda raba for speaking the truth. To spread a bit of Yiddishkeit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEFsaYzNAAM

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

It's interesting in hindsight... that at first I liked Prokofieff more than Schoenberg... or rather I thought this, because I didn't really listen to a lot of Schoenberg and thought of him as a guy "experimenting" or sth... this changed q

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Where did you detect any "spitting"? dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

No worse than the great Boring van Beethoven. dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Obviously not -- it is Marc's own unadornoed opinion. dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

You see... this is a typical thing antisemites do... they come up with accusations that have no basis in reality... I did not read anything Adorno wrote about Schoenberg (yet), but ofc I know that he liked him, otoh Schoenberg didn't seem

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Marc S

Hey monkey, before I help you learn to hear things, I would first need to help you think properly. Ask yourself what could be wrong with what you said... and let me know if you find anything wrong with what you said. I find Romeo and J

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Herman

Too bad you're deaf.

Posted: 19 Days 13 Hours ago by: Herman

the level and vehemence of spitting on a grave is unbecoming.

Superb La Valse by Les Bunias

Superb Ravel G major by Polina Osetinskaya

Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/hhAnFB-GyPc

Re:_"The_Worst_Piano_Recording_of_all_Time?_My_React (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/zQqYEfY7ym4

Posted: 19 Days 14 Hours ago by: gggg gggg

(Y. upload): "Nyiregyházi Speaks (CTV, 1978)"

Posted: 19 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Just listen to Dave Hurwitz's review of the 58 CD box: https://youtu.be/b2bqYyP4V50 "58 Decca CDs of Ingrid Haebler is too much. Always a solid musician, she simply lacks the imagination and emotional amplitude of the best performer

Posted: 19 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Here is Haebler's "refined" Chopin, alla marcia, martellato, boots on the keys: https://youtu.be/z9dTEhmqunQ?t=2750 dk

Re: Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . . (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Good for you. Description, not accusation. Stop gaslighting us. Decades ago during the years BYT we were all restricted to "dancing about architecture" when we tried to describe music performances. Nowadays, one can easily provid

Carlos Kleiber's favorite conductor was . . .

Posted: 19 Days 15 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Too bad he learned nothing from him. dk

Posted: 19 Days 16 Hours ago by: Oscar

.. . . Sándor Végh (May 17, 1912-January 7, 1997). This is according to Steven Isserlis's Twitter feed. Naturally, I am seeking recommendations from the group for Végh recordings. I have an extensive CD and LP collection, but I daresay I

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 17 Hours ago by: Oscar

R.I.P., Madam. I have been restrained in my CD purchases this year, but the one big box I have selected to add to my collection is the Ingrid Haebler 58CD set on UME. I just do not hear the 'typewriter' accusation. Refined is the word that

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Herman

We know. You prefer kid violinists, 11-year olds. your enthusiasms are tasteless and risible. your hearing is problematic, you keep complaining about screechy or wobbly intonation with top violinists, while you're admiring kiddies on 3/4

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 18 Hours ago by: Frank Berger

"Flooded?" LOL. Still laughing. Can't stop. But please admit that such accusations are extremely distasteful and insulting and at times it's understandable that people lose their cool. You seem to think an accusation of antisemiti

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 19 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Do you like him because Adorno told you to like him?

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 19 Hours ago by: Pluted Pup

Germanic music is music that people Like to hear, Jewish music is an Ordeal that's patronized for political reasons. Prokovieff has the Romeo and Juliet ballet and the Nevsky soundtrack, Shoenberg is drab and dull that's intended to sca

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Marc S

then maybe also Prokofiev and Tchaikovsky and Ravel and maybe Franck... or sth... and maybe Saint Saens... maybe also a little Schubert and Mozart...

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Marc S

Okay... both links... suck...

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Marc S

If I had to guess yours: Chopin, Rachmaninov, Scriabin, Tatum, Evans, Debussy, Albeniz...

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Her next appearance will most likely be at the Folies Bergère. dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Artist management only promotes and cash the checks. Sometimes they also advise on wardrobe. https://youtu.be/v1TdG43su9o For a very low value of "pianist". dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

All German/Austrian -- what a surprise! Quicky pour some bleach into your ears! dk

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: Marc S

I will listen to it later, but after all of the confusion I must have caused about my favourite composers I'd like take a moment to clear it: My favourite composers (and the only composers I really need) are: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Sc

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 20 Hours ago by: HT

Rubinstein did not play better, but had a better tone (he always had). Argerich still plays very well, even if with a limited repertoire. I have no idea where his son was in 1987. Serkin Sr.'s management should have warned him that his

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/QJcSwjnFtNA?t=40 dk

Re: Can we discuss music later than Brahms? (thread)

Posted: 19 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

https://youtu.be/aUTh6wrFozA dk

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience

Posted: 19 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

Can we discuss music earlier than Bach? Does anyone here have any idea how modern Frescobaldi's music is? dk

Re: Serkin fucking Beethoven, the piano and the audience

Posted: 19 Days 21 Hours ago by: Dan Koren

After you. Maybe I should go into politics! ;-) The "brilliance" wasn't obvious at all. No, I merely dislike pretenders and impostors. ROTFL !!! dk