On 4/10/2021 12:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 4/10/21 10:08 am, Noddy wrote:

>  It's as basic as that, and no
>> amount of training can ever change that.
>
> The good ones can learn with training and experience, the bad ones can't
> be trained because they think that they already know everything.

Usually, although there are some who are genuinely interested and keen
to learn but they just don't have the ability to progress beyond a very
basic understanding.

> I had 2 uncles that were diesel mechanics, I remember talking to one
> (mum's brother in law) of them when I was still and apprentice and the
> subject of torque wrenches and cylinder heads came up, I was dumbfounded
> when he stated that he didn't need a torque wrench because he could
> "feel" when a bolt was torqued correctly, after that I never took any
> notice of anything else he said.

Why would ya? :)

Sounds like an uncle I had on my father's side. A bloke who married my
father's younger sister who claimed he was a "mechanic" and who thought
his shit was ice-cream who's preferred method of lapping valves was to
coat the underside of a valve head with about a kilo of the corsest
lapping paste he could find and then pop the valve in the guide and
stick the protruding stem in an electric drill chuck and spin the crap
out of the valve pulling on the drill as hard as he could until smoke
was coming off it :)

He'd virtually *bury* the valve into the head and end up with a valve
seat around a half inch wide, but better yet when installing the head he
always coated the gasket in *grease*. When I asked him why he did that
he said it allowed the head to come off cleanly and he could re-use the
gasket.

He didn't seem to have any idea that all of these things were connected,
and why he always seemed to have the head off his old Valiant every time
we visited :)

> If I did that at the place I did my apprenticeship I would have gotten a
> hit over the head and would have spent the next week cleaning the
> workshop as punishment.

Yep.

I can tell you right now that someone as utterly clueless as Tom
Clasener is wouldn't get a job sweeping the fucking floor in any shop I
was running, regardless of how eminently qualified he may happen to be.

I'm not the slightest bit interested in anyone's qualification claims.
I'm interested in what they can *do*. Show me that you have the
experience and knowledge to do a job properly without needing to be
micro-managed and shown what to do and you've got the job and can work
for me as long as you wish. However brag about your "qualifications"
while demonstrating a basic lack of understanding of even the most basic
of automotive theories and practices and you're out the fucking door on
your arse.

I'm *only* interested in Candoos. Not wannabees.

> The other uncle (mum's brother) really knew his stuff.

My paternal grandfather was a Tinsmith by trade, but he had no formal
qualifications. He was of the era where a lot of kids left school at the
end of primary school and went out to work, and he did his "training" as
a smith before the war. He was incredibly talented and I can remember
spending an afternoon as a kid watching him make a functioning miniature
tea pot out of an old penny. He basically beat the penny out on an anvil
until he had stretched it into a flat piece of copper about the size of
a bread & butter plate, and then hand formed it into a tea pot making
the spout, lid and handle all out of the same copper "sheet" and
soldered it all together.

It was impressive to watch, but the funny thing was that for all the
time I knew him (he died when I was around 18) he made his living as a
wall and floor tiler. Fucked if I know how you go from being a tinsmith
to tiler, but he did and my father was "apprenticed" to him. I say
"apprenticed", but there was never any formal training. No trade school
or anything like that. It was just my old man leaving school when he was
around 13 or so and working with Pop until by the time he was around 18
he was considered to "have learned".

I don't think the whole affair was anything as traditional as
"Grasshopper walking the length of rice paper and leaving no trace" like
on Kung Fu, but there was something in it. Years later my old man was
asked to become a trade teacher at Collingwood tech but he wasn't
interested. He thought all trade teachers were fucking wankers, and I
can see how he came to that conclusion :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 4/10/21 10:08 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 7:57 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 4/10/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:38:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>>> If that's the case then Gumps, would you mind answering this simple
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Do you believe all the Big Claims that The Fraudster has made in this
>>> ng?
>>> (NA of A, multiple quals, owns a property on the Sunny Coast,
>>> membership of
>>> VACC, father "fought" in the Korean conflict et al).
>>>
>>> Oty Gumps.
>>>
>>
>> I honestly don't give a shit. It's entertainment. Do you believe
>> everything you read. Do you get angry when a movie doesn't follow the
>> plot in the book. It doesn't matter, it's purely for entertainment.
>> What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the knickers of those
>> in the flc have become. In saying that though, his workmanship that I
>> have seen in person is exceptionally good.
>
> That's beside the point. The interesting thing to observe here is why do
> people like Alvey get *so* worked up over whether my claims are true or
> not? I mean, at the end of the day what the fuck is it to them? why do

Not *wether(sic) or not* they are true Darren, for they are definitely
not true. It's that you made fake and fraudulent claims at all - and
multiple fake claims of trade qualifications at that.

> they even *care*? Is it because they want to be "boss" of some pissy
> little newsgroup that no one gives a toss about, or is it a personal

I care because you are a *fraud* bringing disrepute to a trade in which
I am qualified. FWIW, this may be a pissy little newsgroup but it is the
*only one* where you have any sort of voice and that only because no one
dared challenge your bullshit in the past. For sure, you are the one who
wanted to be *boss* in this newsgroup. After all, why else would you
make such self aggrandising fraudulent claims with regard to qualifications?

> insecurity thing where they just *have* to be dismissive of other
> people's claims in order to make themselves feel a little bit less
> insignificant?
>
> It's quite bizarre really when you think about it, but nowhere near as
> bizarre as how absolutely batshit fucking *crazy* they make themselves
> look in pursuing it :)

Do you realise how batshit crazy *you* look in pursuing your fraudulent
claims of apprenticeships and trade qualifications? Such a pity you
didn't realise such claims could be easily verified and yours were most
definitely found wanting.
>
>> It's like a guy I used to work with. He big noted himself all the
>> time. I thought at first that he was just a big mouth but I watched
>> him work on gear and realized he could back it up.
>>
>> I'm the same. I have zero tolerance for bullshit when I'm working, I
>> get in and get the job done normally on the first attempt. Pretty
>> handy when a company is losing thousands every hour they are down.
>> Yeah i have qualifications and so do others but there is nothing worse
>> than working with someone who has a qualification but doesn't have a
>> clue what they are doing.
>
> I've said it before and it's an ideology I'll subscribe to until the day
> I die: Having a qualification is *no* guarantee of a person's ability to
> be competent. People like Clasener will scream black and blue that this
> is not the case, but he couldn't be any more wrong if he wanted to be

Ah, you are quite wrong when you make that statement. You see, the chap
I was signed up with as an apprentice was a fitter/machinist first and
an aircraft mechanic second. He was not a motor mechanic. The senior
mechanic I worked under was also not a motor mechanic, he was a diesel
fitter.

> and he's the *perfect* example of that. This is a man who boasts about
> his automotive qualifications as if there is something extraordinary
> about them, yet when it comes to basic automotive knowledge he is

Not at all Darren. It's just that I have the qualifications and you
don't. Simples.

> completely out of his fucking depth. His understanding of even the most
> basic of concepts such as brake and fuel systems is *so* abhorrently

I elaborated at length on some braking concepts and they were a total
whoosh moment for you. You couldn't even comprehend the relationship and
difference between torque and horsepower, gobbledygook you called it.

> lacking that it makes you wonder if he had *any* actual hands on
> experience in the automotive industry at all.

Way more than you Darren, way more, and not only in this country.
>
> And sadly, he's not the only one. I've worked with *many* people in the
> automotive industry over the years with skill sets ranging from

Handing their tools to them, that's what TA's do.

> staggeringly brilliant to appallingly limited, and there is no direct
> correlation between qualification and ability. Some qualified people are
> absolutely hopeless while some unqualified people have been the best at
> what they do that I personally have ever seen. And you don't just see
> this in the automotive field either. It's in all walks of life, both
> white and blue collar.

Hey, maybe those supposedly qualified people are like you Darren, total
frauds. That would be the ultimate irony, eh? A fraud conning a fraud.
>
> Some people are good and some aren't. It's as basic as that, and no

And some lie about their achievements. Know anyone like that Darren?
Look in a mirror and you'll see the most obvious one in this newsgroup.

> amount of training can ever change that.

True, your tech school training was a failure which is why you did an
abortus provocatus on your *educational gestation* before exam time.
That said, that failure was a harbinger of your *future failures* which
was why no one was ever *willing or able* to sign you up to any
apprenticeship.
>
>> FWIW My grandfather was an electrical engineer, His brother was a
>> mechanical engineer, my uncle was a mechanic and prior to that an
>> armourer in WW2. I had another uncle who was a mechanic in Geelong. I
>> had another great uncle who was a clockmaker. I've seen lots of
>> quality work and Noddy's work is up there. I've seen the efforts of
>> others and they may have all the theory under the sun but when it
>> comes to the practical they are full of it.
>
> Indeed.
>
> I've spent a fair portion of the last 10 years at least fixing the fuck
> ups of others. People who like to bignote themselves about how great

If Les' engine is anything to go by, you've well and truly made more
than your fair share of cockups. Riproaring cockups at that. Would have
loved to have been present when Les' engine popped its clogs.

> they are but only serve to demonstrate who clueless they can be when it
> comes time to putting at that talk to practical use. Like a bloke in
> town here for example who likes to cite himself as a "race engine
> builder" who I somewhat recently had to fix one of his fuck-ups after he

Lives in Merrimu, does he? Name of Darren? Who ended up fixing the
cockup with les' engine Darren? Not you, that's for sure.

> assembled a 347 windsor with the piston rings on upside down and the
> timing chain rubbing on the front of the block because the crank
> sprocket needed a spacer between it and the number 1 main journal and he
> didn't have the ability to make one.
>
> It's fucking ridiculous, and I see this stuff *all* the time. More often
> than not it's from young kids who are straight out of school and who
> think there is nothing to mastering any kind of speciality because some
> Youtube video showed them all how "easy" it is.

Yep, they watch the video (that's the training) then do the task (that's
the experience). You've just described technical training Darren. Study
the principles, see how it is done, then go do it. Keep on doing it
until you master it.
>
> At the end of the day, no amount of "qualification" can make up for
> common sense and experience, and people like Clasener only serve to
> highlight that.

So you're admitting now you had no training nor completed an
apprenticeship? Sure looks like it the way you are harping on about
experience trumping all. Funny then, isn't it, how an apprenticeship is
all about *training* AND *experience*. You see Darren, an apprentice (a
real one, not your pretend ones) do training in a tech college as an
adjunct to real world experience in a workshop environment. Let's see,
an apprentice will attend his workplace environment for 7,680 hours over
4 years, making allowance for 4 weeks of annual leave a year. Of that
total, said apprentice will attend tech college for 960 hours over 3
years. That means the apprentice will be in the workshop gaining *hands
on experience* for 6,720 hours out of 7,680. A 7:1 ratio of workshop
experience to college training. Even then, apprentices are not stuck in
a theory classroom for all of their 960 hours at tech college. During my
apprenticeship, it was less than 50%, the rest of the time spent in a
workshop engaged in practical tasks. During my time teaching, there was
no such an animal as theory classes in automotive departments in
Victoria - all classes were combined theory and prac. All you are doing
with all your waffle Darren is proving you've never done an
apprenticeship, any apprenticeship, ever!

On 4/10/21 7:57 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:38:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/10/2021 7:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 3/10/2021 7:23 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 3/10/2021 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 2:24 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 12:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 12:39 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 10:47 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:26:50 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2021 6:11 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:41:17 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't seem to mention Krypsis much these days, does he?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't mention your fictitious achievements at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And acrimonious alwee squeaks but what about him yet again.
>>>>>>>>>>> The pen of my aunt is in the garden.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "La plume de ma tante". I suspect  your reply is beyond his ken.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And up popped pitiful Pete with nothing to say as usual.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mon tailleur est riche
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you need to up your meds Douggie ol'son..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh oh, I've been bitchslapped with a damp feather. You suspected
>>>>>>> Alwee's comment was beyond my ken, I responded with the perfect
>>>>>>> response to your 'La plume...' It basically is a joke french saying
>>>>>>> that is used when you don't know what to say in English. Which is
>>>>>>> fairly accurate in this situation for you. You only seem to have the
>>>>>>> guts to say anything when you know you have the backing of the flc,
>>>>>>> otherwise your a coward of the highest order.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> look whose talking. when did you last serve your country?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Completely irrelevant as usual. However, to answer your question,
>>>>> whilst I haven't actively served I have supported our forces as a
>>>>> civilian contractor and held the relevant clearances. Still putting
>>>>> your foot in your mouth. Have you actively served? I also have family
>>>>> who actively served including one who is at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> it's a bit rich calling someone 'a coward of the highest order' when
>>>> it's your Lord and Master who hides behind a killfile.
>>>>
>>> He isn't my Lord and Master. Never has been, never will be.
>>
>> If that's the case then Gumps, would you mind answering this simple
>> question.
>>
>> Do you believe all the Big Claims that The Fraudster has made in this ng?
>> (NA of A, multiple quals, owns a property on the Sunny Coast,
>> membership of
>> VACC, father "fought" in the Korean conflict et al).
>>
>> Oty Gumps.
>>
>
> I honestly don't give a shit. It's entertainment. Do you believe
> everything you read. Do you get angry when a movie doesn't follow the
> plot in the book. It doesn't matter, it's purely for entertainment.

We aren't talking about a movie plot here. What Darren is doing is
*fraud*, plain and simple. He is claiming qualifications he simply does
not possess.

> What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the knickers of those in
> the flc have become. In saying that though, his workmanship that I have
> seen in person is exceptionally good.

Have a look at the *end result* of his workmanship on Les' engine.
There's some real insight there as to Darren's capabilities - or the
lack thereof.
>
> It's like a guy I used to work with. He big noted himself all the time.
> I thought at first that he was just a big mouth but I watched him work
> on gear and realized he could back it up.
>
> I'm the same. I have zero tolerance for bullshit when I'm working, I get

You defend Darren so that makes you a hypocrite.

> in and get the job done normally on the first attempt. Pretty handy when
> a company is losing thousands every hour they are down. Yeah i have
> qualifications and so do others but there is nothing worse than working
> with someone who has a qualification but doesn't have a clue what they
> are doing.
>
> FWIW My grandfather was an electrical engineer, His brother was a
> mechanical engineer, my uncle was a mechanic and prior to that an
> armourer in WW2. I had another uncle who was a mechanic in Geelong. I
> had another great uncle who was a clockmaker. I've seen lots of quality

But *you* are not a mechanic so how can you judge?

> work and Noddy's work is up there. I've seen the efforts of others and
> they may have all the theory under the sun but when it comes to the
> practical they are full of it.
>

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 3/10/21 9:38 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 3/10/2021 7:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 3/10/2021 7:23 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2021 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 3/10/2021 2:24 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 3/10/2021 12:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 12:39 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 10:47 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:26:50 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2021 6:11 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:41:17 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't seem to mention Krypsis much these days, does he?
>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't mention your fictitious achievements at all
>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And acrimonious alwee squeaks but what about him yet again.
>>>>>>>>> The pen of my aunt is in the garden.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "La plume de ma tante". I suspect  your reply is beyond his ken.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And up popped pitiful Pete with nothing to say as usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mon tailleur est riche
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you need to up your meds Douggie ol'son..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh oh, I've been bitchslapped with a damp feather. You suspected
>>>>> Alwee's comment was beyond my ken, I responded with the perfect
>>>>> response to your 'La plume...' It basically is a joke french saying
>>>>> that is used when you don't know what to say in English. Which is
>>>>> fairly accurate in this situation for you. You only seem to have
>>>>> the guts to say anything when you know you have the backing of the
>>>>> flc, otherwise your a coward of the highest order.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> look whose talking. when did you last serve your country?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Completely irrelevant as usual. However, to answer your question,
>>> whilst I haven't actively served I have supported our forces as a
>>> civilian contractor and held the relevant clearances. Still putting
>>> your foot in your mouth. Have you actively served? I also have family
>>> who actively served including one who is at the moment.
>>
>>
>> it's a bit rich calling someone 'a coward of the highest order' when
>> it's your Lord and Master who hides behind a killfile.
>>
>>
> He isn't my Lord and Master. Never has been, never will be. It's his

You defend him and his *LIES*. Ergo, he is your master and you his lapdog.

> decision to run a killfile. So what. You're the one who whimpers and
> simpers when the going gets too tough.
>

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/10/21 1:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 12:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 4/10/21 10:08 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>   It's as basic as that, and no
>>> amount of training can ever change that.
>>
>> The good ones can learn with training and experience, the bad ones
>> can't be trained because they think that they already know everything.

Are they the ones that go off and become cleaners? I certainly began to
think that about Darren when he admitted he couldn't do the piston to
valve clearance checks on an engine.
>
> Usually, although there are some who are genuinely interested and keen
> to learn but they just don't have the ability to progress beyond a very
> basic understanding.

Congratulations, you described yourself perfectly.
>
>> I had 2 uncles that were diesel mechanics, I remember talking to one
>> (mum's brother in law) of them when I was still and apprentice and the
>> subject of torque wrenches and cylinder heads came up, I was
>> dumbfounded when he stated that he didn't need a torque wrench because
>> he could "feel" when a bolt was torqued correctly, after that I never
>> took any notice of anything else he said.
>
> Why would ya? :)
>
> Sounds like an uncle I had on my father's side. A bloke who married my
> father's younger sister who claimed he was a "mechanic" and who thought
> his shit was ice-cream who's preferred method of lapping valves was to
> coat the underside of a valve head with about a kilo of the corsest
> lapping paste he could find and then pop the valve in the guide and
> stick the protruding stem in an electric drill chuck and spin the crap
> out of the valve pulling on the drill as hard as he could until smoke
> was coming off it :)
>
> He'd virtually *bury* the valve into the head and end up with a valve
> seat around a half inch wide, but better yet when installing the head he
> always coated the gasket in *grease*. When I asked him why he did that
> he said it allowed the head to come off cleanly and he could re-use the
> gasket.
>
> He didn't seem to have any idea that all of these things were connected,
> and why he always seemed to have the head off his old Valiant every time
> we visited :)

He went to the Darren school of experience.
>
>> If I did that at the place I did my apprenticeship I would have gotten
>> a hit over the head and would have spent the next week cleaning the
>> workshop as punishment.
>
> Yep.
>
> I can tell you right now that someone as utterly clueless as Tom
> Clasener is wouldn't get a job sweeping the fucking floor in any shop I
> was running, regardless of how eminently qualified he may happen to be.

Lucky you've never run a business where you ever needed to employ people
then.
>
> I'm not the slightest bit interested in anyone's qualification claims.
> I'm interested in what they can *do*. Show me that you have the
> experience and knowledge to do a job properly without needing to be
> micro-managed and shown what to do and you've got the job and can work
> for me as long as you wish. However brag about your "qualifications"
> while demonstrating a basic lack of understanding of even the most basic
> of automotive theories and practices and you're out the fucking door on
> your arse.

Better kick yourself out of your own workshop Darren. You've been
bragging about your perceived capabilities for decades, as well as
bullshitting about your qualifications, yet Les' engine demonstrated
your "basic lack of understanding of even the most basic of automotive
theories and practices", in spades.
>
> I'm *only* interested in Candoos. Not wannabees.

Don't ever look in a mirror Darren, you'll only see a wannabe in there.
>
>> The other uncle (mum's brother) really knew his stuff.
>
> My paternal grandfather was a Tinsmith by trade, but he had no formal
> qualifications. He was of the era where a lot of kids left school at the
> end of primary school and went out to work, and he did his "training" as
> a smith before the war. He was incredibly talented and I can remember
> spending an afternoon as a kid watching him make a functioning miniature
> tea pot out of an old penny. He basically beat the penny out on an anvil
> until he had stretched it into a flat piece of copper about the size of
> a bread & butter plate, and then hand formed it into a tea pot making
> the spout, lid and handle all out of the same copper "sheet" and
> soldered it all together.

You've been beating something Darren but it ain't a penny!
>
> It was impressive to watch, but the funny thing was that for all the
> time I knew him (he died when I was around 18) he made his living as a
> wall and floor tiler. Fucked if I know how you go from being a tinsmith
> to tiler, but he did and my father was "apprenticed" to him. I say
> "apprenticed", but there was never any formal training. No trade school
> or anything like that. It was just my old man leaving school when he was
> around 13 or so and working with Pop until by the time he was around 18
> he was considered to "have learned".

It's an apprenticeship Darren. That's how it was until a trade was
*Gazetted*, on the job experience learning from a master tradesman. It's
why you cannot take on an apprentice - you aren't a master tradesman.
>
> I don't think the whole affair was anything as traditional as
> "Grasshopper walking the length of rice paper and leaving no trace" like
> on Kung Fu, but there was something in it. Years later my old man was
> asked to become a trade teacher at Collingwood tech but he wasn't
> interested. He thought all trade teachers were fucking wankers, and I
> can see how he came to that conclusion :)

If he never attended trade school Darren, how could he come to such a
conclusion? Oh, that's right, this is just more of your bullshit.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/10/2021 2:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 4/10/21 10:08 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 4/10/2021 7:57 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:38:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>>> If that's the case then Gumps, would you mind answering this simple
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> Do you believe all the Big Claims that The Fraudster has made in
>>>> this ng?
>>>> (NA of A, multiple quals, owns a property on the Sunny Coast,
>>>> membership of
>>>> VACC, father "fought" in the Korean conflict et al).
>>>>
>>>> Oty Gumps.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I honestly don't give a shit. It's entertainment. Do you believe
>>> everything you read. Do you get angry when a movie doesn't follow
>>> the plot in the book. It doesn't matter, it's purely for
>>> entertainment. What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the
>>> knickers of those in the flc have become. In saying that though, his
>>> workmanship that I have seen in person is exceptionally good.
>>
>> That's beside the point. The interesting thing to observe here is why
>> do people like Alvey get *so* worked up over whether my claims are
>> true or not? I mean, at the end of the day what the fuck is it to
>> them? why do
>
> Not *wether(sic) or not* they are true Darren, for they are definitely
> not true. It's that you made fake and fraudulent claims at all - and
> multiple fake claims of trade qualifications at that.
>
>> they even *care*? Is it because they want to be "boss" of some pissy
>> little newsgroup that no one gives a toss about, or is it a personal
>
> I care because you are a *fraud* bringing disrepute to a trade in
> which I am qualified. FWIW, this may be a pissy little newsgroup but
> it is the *only one* where you have any sort of voice and that only
> because no one dared challenge your bullshit in the past. For sure,
> you are the one who wanted to be *boss* in this newsgroup. After all,
> why else would you make such self aggrandising fraudulent claims with
> regard to qualifications?
>
>> insecurity thing where they just *have* to be dismissive of other
>> people's claims in order to make themselves feel a little bit less
>> insignificant?
>>
>> It's quite bizarre really when you think about it, but nowhere near
>> as bizarre as how absolutely batshit fucking *crazy* they make
>> themselves look in pursuing it :)
>
> Do you realise how batshit crazy *you* look in pursuing your
> fraudulent claims of apprenticeships and trade qualifications? Such a
> pity you didn't realise such claims could be easily verified and yours
> were most definitely found wanting.
>>
>>> It's like a guy I used to work with. He big noted himself all the
>>> time. I thought at first that he was just a big mouth but I watched
>>> him work on gear and realized he could back it up.
>>>
>>> I'm the same. I have zero tolerance for bullshit when I'm working, I
>>> get in and get the job done normally on the first attempt. Pretty
>>> handy when a company is losing thousands every hour they are down.
>>> Yeah i have qualifications and so do others but there is nothing
>>> worse than working with someone who has a qualification but doesn't
>>> have a clue what they are doing.
>>
>> I've said it before and it's an ideology I'll subscribe to until the
>> day I die: Having a qualification is *no* guarantee of a person's
>> ability to be competent. People like Clasener will scream black and
>> blue that this is not the case, but he couldn't be any more wrong if
>> he wanted to be
>
> Ah, you are quite wrong when you make that statement. You see, the
> chap I was signed up with as an apprentice was a fitter/machinist
> first and an aircraft mechanic second. He was not a motor mechanic.
> The senior mechanic I worked under was also not a motor mechanic, he
> was a diesel fitter.
>
>> and he's the *perfect* example of that. This is a man who boasts
>> about his automotive qualifications as if there is something
>> extraordinary about them, yet when it comes to basic automotive
>> knowledge he is
>
> Not at all Darren. It's just that I have the qualifications and you
> don't. Simples.
>
>> completely out of his fucking depth. His understanding of even the
>> most basic of concepts such as brake and fuel systems is *so*
>> abhorrently
>
> I elaborated at length on some braking concepts and they were a total
> whoosh moment for you. You couldn't even comprehend the relationship
> and difference between torque and horsepower, gobbledygook you called it.
>

he didn't understand suspension and steering either

>> lacking that it makes you wonder if he had *any* actual hands on
>> experience in the automotive industry at all.
>
> Way more than you Darren, way more, and not only in this country.
>>
>> And sadly, he's not the only one. I've worked with *many* people in
>> the automotive industry over the years with skill sets ranging from
>
> Handing their tools to them, that's what TA's do.
>
>> staggeringly brilliant to appallingly limited, and there is no direct
>> correlation between qualification and ability. Some qualified people
>> are absolutely hopeless while some unqualified people have been the
>> best at what they do that I personally have ever seen. And you don't
>> just see this in the automotive field either. It's in all walks of
>> life, both white and blue collar.
>
> Hey, maybe those supposedly qualified people are like you Darren,
> total frauds. That would be the ultimate irony, eh? A fraud conning a
> fraud.
>>
>> Some people are good and some aren't. It's as basic as that, and no
>
> And some lie about their achievements. Know anyone like that Darren?
> Look in a mirror and you'll see the most obvious one in this newsgroup.
>
>> amount of training can ever change that.
>
> True, your tech school training was a failure which is why you did an
> abortus provocatus on your *educational gestation* before exam time.
> That said, that failure was a harbinger of your *future failures*
> which was why no one was ever *willing or able* to sign you up to any
> apprenticeship.
>>
>>> FWIW My grandfather was an electrical engineer, His brother was a
>>> mechanical engineer, my uncle was a mechanic and prior to that an
>>> armourer in WW2. I had another uncle who was a mechanic in Geelong.
>>> I had another great uncle who was a clockmaker. I've seen lots of
>>> quality work and Noddy's work is up there. I've seen the efforts of
>>> others and they may have all the theory under the sun but when it
>>> comes to the practical they are full of it.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> I've spent a fair portion of the last 10 years at least fixing the
>> fuck ups of others. People who like to bignote themselves about how
>> great
>
> If Les' engine is anything to go by, you've well and truly made more
> than your fair share of cockups. Riproaring cockups at that. Would
> have loved to have been present when Les' engine popped its clogs.
>
>> they are but only serve to demonstrate who clueless they can be when
>> it comes time to putting at that talk to practical use. Like a bloke
>> in town here for example who likes to cite himself as a "race engine
>> builder" who I somewhat recently had to fix one of his fuck-ups after he
>
> Lives in Merrimu, does he? Name of Darren? Who ended up fixing the
> cockup with les' engine Darren? Not you, that's for sure.
>
>> assembled a 347 windsor with the piston rings on upside down and the
>> timing chain rubbing on the front of the block because the crank
>> sprocket needed a spacer between it and the number 1 main journal and
>> he didn't have the ability to make one.
>>
>> It's fucking ridiculous, and I see this stuff *all* the time. More
>> often than not it's from young kids who are straight out of school
>> and who think there is nothing to mastering any kind of speciality
>> because some Youtube video showed them all how "easy" it is.
>
> Yep, they watch the video (that's the training) then do the task
> (that's the experience). You've just described technical training
> Darren. Study the principles, see how it is done, then go do it. Keep
> on doing it until you master it.
>>
>> At the end of the day, no amount of "qualification" can make up for
>> common sense and experience, and people like Clasener only serve to
>> highlight that.
>
> So you're admitting now you had no training nor completed an
> apprenticeship? Sure looks like it the way you are harping on about
> experience trumping all. Funny then, isn't it, how an apprenticeship
> is all about *training* AND *experience*. You see Darren, an
> apprentice (a real one, not your pretend ones) do training in a tech
> college as an adjunct to real world experience in a workshop
> environment. Let's see, an apprentice will attend his workplace
> environment for 7,680 hours over 4 years, making allowance for 4 weeks
> of annual leave a year. Of that total, said apprentice will attend
> tech college for 960 hours over 3 years. That means the apprentice
> will be in the workshop gaining *hands on experience* for 6,720 hours
> out of 7,680. A 7:1 ratio of workshop experience to college training.
> Even then, apprentices are not stuck in a theory classroom for all of
> their 960 hours at tech college. During my apprenticeship, it was less
> than 50%, the rest of the time spent in a workshop engaged in
> practical tasks. During my time teaching, there was no such an animal
> as theory classes in automotive departments in Victoria - all classes
> were combined theory and prac. All you are doing with all your waffle
> Darren is proving you've never done an apprenticeship, any
> apprenticeship, ever!
>
>

On 4/10/21 3:47 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 2:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/10/21 10:08 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2021 7:57 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 4/10/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:38:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If that's the case then Gumps, would you mind answering this simple
>>>>> question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you believe all the Big Claims that The Fraudster has made in
>>>>> this ng?
>>>>> (NA of A, multiple quals, owns a property on the Sunny Coast,
>>>>> membership of
>>>>> VACC, father "fought" in the Korean conflict et al).
>>>>>
>>>>> Oty Gumps.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I honestly don't give a shit. It's entertainment. Do you believe
>>>> everything you read. Do you get angry when a movie doesn't follow
>>>> the plot in the book. It doesn't matter, it's purely for
>>>> entertainment. What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the
>>>> knickers of those in the flc have become. In saying that though, his
>>>> workmanship that I have seen in person is exceptionally good.
>>>
>>> That's beside the point. The interesting thing to observe here is why
>>> do people like Alvey get *so* worked up over whether my claims are
>>> true or not? I mean, at the end of the day what the fuck is it to
>>> them? why do
>>
>> Not *wether(sic) or not* they are true Darren, for they are definitely
>> not true. It's that you made fake and fraudulent claims at all - and
>> multiple fake claims of trade qualifications at that.
>>
>>> they even *care*? Is it because they want to be "boss" of some pissy
>>> little newsgroup that no one gives a toss about, or is it a personal
>>
>> I care because you are a *fraud* bringing disrepute to a trade in
>> which I am qualified. FWIW, this may be a pissy little newsgroup but
>> it is the *only one* where you have any sort of voice and that only
>> because no one dared challenge your bullshit in the past. For sure,
>> you are the one who wanted to be *boss* in this newsgroup. After all,
>> why else would you make such self aggrandising fraudulent claims with
>> regard to qualifications?
>>
>>> insecurity thing where they just *have* to be dismissive of other
>>> people's claims in order to make themselves feel a little bit less
>>> insignificant?
>>>
>>> It's quite bizarre really when you think about it, but nowhere near
>>> as bizarre as how absolutely batshit fucking *crazy* they make
>>> themselves look in pursuing it :)
>>
>> Do you realise how batshit crazy *you* look in pursuing your
>> fraudulent claims of apprenticeships and trade qualifications? Such a
>> pity you didn't realise such claims could be easily verified and yours
>> were most definitely found wanting.
>>>
>>>> It's like a guy I used to work with. He big noted himself all the
>>>> time. I thought at first that he was just a big mouth but I watched
>>>> him work on gear and realized he could back it up.
>>>>
>>>> I'm the same. I have zero tolerance for bullshit when I'm working, I
>>>> get in and get the job done normally on the first attempt. Pretty
>>>> handy when a company is losing thousands every hour they are down.
>>>> Yeah i have qualifications and so do others but there is nothing
>>>> worse than working with someone who has a qualification but doesn't
>>>> have a clue what they are doing.
>>>
>>> I've said it before and it's an ideology I'll subscribe to until the
>>> day I die: Having a qualification is *no* guarantee of a person's
>>> ability to be competent. People like Clasener will scream black and
>>> blue that this is not the case, but he couldn't be any more wrong if
>>> he wanted to be
>>
>> Ah, you are quite wrong when you make that statement. You see, the
>> chap I was signed up with as an apprentice was a fitter/machinist
>> first and an aircraft mechanic second. He was not a motor mechanic.
>> The senior mechanic I worked under was also not a motor mechanic, he
>> was a diesel fitter.
>>
>>> and he's the *perfect* example of that. This is a man who boasts
>>> about his automotive qualifications as if there is something
>>> extraordinary about them, yet when it comes to basic automotive
>>> knowledge he is
>>
>> Not at all Darren. It's just that I have the qualifications and you
>> don't. Simples.
>>
>>> completely out of his fucking depth. His understanding of even the
>>> most basic of concepts such as brake and fuel systems is *so*
>>> abhorrently
>>
>> I elaborated at length on some braking concepts and they were a total
>> whoosh moment for you. You couldn't even comprehend the relationship
>> and difference between torque and horsepower, gobbledygook you called it.
>>
>
> he didn't understand suspension and steering either

There's a lot of things in the underpinning theory department that
Darren doesn't understand. One term I used, effective compression ratio,
really had him bamboozled. Anyone who understand engine airflow knows
all about effective compression ratio (as opposed to Geometric CR). The
people who use the concept most? Well apart from those involved in
*aviation*, the people in automotive who use the term most pointedly are
those involved in *racing*. You see, effective compression ratio in a
naturally aspirated engine is greatly affected by altitude and
barometric pressure. That's why racers need to recalibrate carb jetting
according to altitude and baro pressure but that also affects effective
compression ratio. The ones most concerened with effective compression
ratio are those involved in any form of *supercharging*. Remember how
Darren claimed to have been involved in drag racing? Well, he blew that
lie out of the water himself when he called bullshit on the concept of
effective compression ratio (AKA dynamic CR). Those who don't understand
the basic theory end up tripping over their own feet every single time.
Darren must have a dead flat nose by this.
>
>
>>> lacking that it makes you wonder if he had *any* actual hands on
>>> experience in the automotive industry at all.
>>
>> Way more than you Darren, way more, and not only in this country.
>>>
>>> And sadly, he's not the only one. I've worked with *many* people in
>>> the automotive industry over the years with skill sets ranging from
>>
>> Handing their tools to them, that's what TA's do.
>>
>>> staggeringly brilliant to appallingly limited, and there is no direct
>>> correlation between qualification and ability. Some qualified people
>>> are absolutely hopeless while some unqualified people have been the
>>> best at what they do that I personally have ever seen. And you don't
>>> just see this in the automotive field either. It's in all walks of
>>> life, both white and blue collar.
>>
>> Hey, maybe those supposedly qualified people are like you Darren,
>> total frauds. That would be the ultimate irony, eh? A fraud conning a
>> fraud.
>>>
>>> Some people are good and some aren't. It's as basic as that, and no
>>
>> And some lie about their achievements. Know anyone like that Darren?
>> Look in a mirror and you'll see the most obvious one in this newsgroup.
>>
>>> amount of training can ever change that.
>>
>> True, your tech school training was a failure which is why you did an
>> abortus provocatus on your *educational gestation* before exam time.
>> That said, that failure was a harbinger of your *future failures*
>> which was why no one was ever *willing or able* to sign you up to any
>> apprenticeship.
>>>
>>>> FWIW My grandfather was an electrical engineer, His brother was a
>>>> mechanical engineer, my uncle was a mechanic and prior to that an
>>>> armourer in WW2. I had another uncle who was a mechanic in Geelong.
>>>> I had another great uncle who was a clockmaker. I've seen lots of
>>>> quality work and Noddy's work is up there. I've seen the efforts of
>>>> others and they may have all the theory under the sun but when it
>>>> comes to the practical they are full of it.
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> I've spent a fair portion of the last 10 years at least fixing the
>>> fuck ups of others. People who like to bignote themselves about how
>>> great
>>
>> If Les' engine is anything to go by, you've well and truly made more
>> than your fair share of cockups. Riproaring cockups at that. Would
>> have loved to have been present when Les' engine popped its clogs.
>>
>>> they are but only serve to demonstrate who clueless they can be when
>>> it comes time to putting at that talk to practical use. Like a bloke
>>> in town here for example who likes to cite himself as a "race engine
>>> builder" who I somewhat recently had to fix one of his fuck-ups after he
>>
>> Lives in Merrimu, does he? Name of Darren? Who ended up fixing the
>> cockup with les' engine Darren? Not you, that's for sure.
>>
>>> assembled a 347 windsor with the piston rings on upside down and the
>>> timing chain rubbing on the front of the block because the crank
>>> sprocket needed a spacer between it and the number 1 main journal and
>>> he didn't have the ability to make one.
>>>
>>> It's fucking ridiculous, and I see this stuff *all* the time. More
>>> often than not it's from young kids who are straight out of school
>>> and who think there is nothing to mastering any kind of speciality
>>> because some Youtube video showed them all how "easy" it is.
>>
>> Yep, they watch the video (that's the training) then do the task
>> (that's the experience). You've just described technical training
>> Darren. Study the principles, see how it is done, then go do it. Keep
>> on doing it until you master it.
>>>
>>> At the end of the day, no amount of "qualification" can make up for
>>> common sense and experience, and people like Clasener only serve to
>>> highlight that.
>>
>> So you're admitting now you had no training nor completed an
>> apprenticeship? Sure looks like it the way you are harping on about
>> experience trumping all. Funny then, isn't it, how an apprenticeship
>> is all about *training* AND *experience*. You see Darren, an
>> apprentice (a real one, not your pretend ones) do training in a tech
>> college as an adjunct to real world experience in a workshop
>> environment. Let's see, an apprentice will attend his workplace
>> environment for 7,680 hours over 4 years, making allowance for 4 weeks
>> of annual leave a year. Of that total, said apprentice will attend
>> tech college for 960 hours over 3 years. That means the apprentice
>> will be in the workshop gaining *hands on experience* for 6,720 hours
>> out of 7,680. A 7:1 ratio of workshop experience to college training.
>> Even then, apprentices are not stuck in a theory classroom for all of
>> their 960 hours at tech college. During my apprenticeship, it was less
>> than 50%, the rest of the time spent in a workshop engaged in
>> practical tasks. During my time teaching, there was no such an animal
>> as theory classes in automotive departments in Victoria - all classes
>> were combined theory and prac. All you are doing with all your waffle
>> Darren is proving you've never done an apprenticeship, any
>> apprenticeship, ever!
>>
>>
>

On 4/10/21 1:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 12:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 4/10/21 10:08 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>   It's as basic as that, and no
>>> amount of training can ever change that.
>>
>> The good ones can learn with training and experience, the bad ones
>> can't be trained because they think that they already know everything.
>
> Usually, although there are some who are genuinely interested and keen
> to learn but they just don't have the ability to progress beyond a very
> basic understanding.
>
>> I had 2 uncles that were diesel mechanics, I remember talking to one
>> (mum's brother in law) of them when I was still and apprentice and the
>> subject of torque wrenches and cylinder heads came up, I was
>> dumbfounded when he stated that he didn't need a torque wrench because
>> he could "feel" when a bolt was torqued correctly, after that I never
>> took any notice of anything else he said.
>
> Why would ya? :)
>
> Sounds like an uncle I had on my father's side. A bloke who married my
> father's younger sister who claimed he was a "mechanic" and who thought
> his shit was ice-cream who's preferred method of lapping valves was to
> coat the underside of a valve head with about a kilo of the corsest
> lapping paste he could find and then pop the valve in the guide and
> stick the protruding stem in an electric drill chuck and spin the crap
> out of the valve pulling on the drill as hard as he could until smoke
> was coming off it :)
>
> He'd virtually *bury* the valve into the head and end up with a valve
> seat around a half inch wide, but better yet when installing the head he
> always coated the gasket in *grease*. When I asked him why he did that
> he said it allowed the head to come off cleanly and he could re-use the
> gasket.
>
> He didn't seem to have any idea that all of these things were connected,
> and why he always seemed to have the head off his old Valiant every time
> we visited :)
>
>> If I did that at the place I did my apprenticeship I would have gotten
>> a hit over the head and would have spent the next week cleaning the
>> workshop as punishment.
>
> Yep.
>
> I can tell you right now that someone as utterly clueless as Tom
> Clasener is wouldn't get a job sweeping the fucking floor in any shop I
> was running, regardless of how eminently qualified he may happen to be.
>
> I'm not the slightest bit interested in anyone's qualification claims.
> I'm interested in what they can *do*. Show me that you have the
> experience and knowledge to do a job properly without needing to be
> micro-managed and shown what to do and you've got the job and can work
> for me as long as you wish. However brag about your "qualifications"
> while demonstrating a basic lack of understanding of even the most basic
> of automotive theories and practices and you're out the fucking door on
> your arse.
>
> I'm *only* interested in Candoos. Not wannabees.
>
>> The other uncle (mum's brother) really knew his stuff.
>
> My paternal grandfather was a Tinsmith by trade, but he had no formal
> qualifications. He was of the era where a lot of kids left school at the
> end of primary school and went out to work, and he did his "training" as
> a smith before the war. He was incredibly talented and I can remember
> spending an afternoon as a kid watching him make a functioning miniature
> tea pot out of an old penny. He basically beat the penny out on an anvil
> until he had stretched it into a flat piece of copper about the size of
> a bread & butter plate, and then hand formed it into a tea pot making
> the spout, lid and handle all out of the same copper "sheet" and
> soldered it all together.
>
> It was impressive to watch, but the funny thing was that for all the
> time I knew him (he died when I was around 18) he made his living as a
> wall and floor tiler. Fucked if I know how you go from being a tinsmith
> to tiler, but he did and my father was "apprenticed" to him. I say
> "apprenticed", but there was never any formal training. No trade school
> or anything like that. It was just my old man leaving school when he was
> around 13 or so and working with Pop until by the time he was around 18
> he was considered to "have learned".
>
> I don't think the whole affair was anything as traditional as
> "Grasshopper walking the length of rice paper and leaving no trace" like
> on Kung Fu, but there was something in it. Years later my old man was
> asked to become a trade teacher at Collingwood tech but he wasn't
> interested. He thought all trade teachers were fucking wankers, and I
> can see how he came to that conclusion :)
>
>
>
>
>
LOL, I can still remember some of my trade teachers from Batman
Automotive College, it was a very long time ago (early 70's).
One in particular (I think his name was Bart Pridmore) was a pretty cool
bloke because his racing Mini was occasionally in the classroom/workshop
and we got to do some work on it.
I particularly liked the teacher who did diesels which I think was 3rd
yr, he asked if any of us worked on diesels and I was the only one who
said yes, he asked me to do a test which was fitting a diesel injector
pump then timing, bleeding and starting the engine, I did that and he
said that I had just passed the end of year exam so I didn't need to
come to class anymore so I just went home 2hrs early every trade school
day:-)
Couldn't say if any of them were good at their trade but they were
likeable enough.

--
Daryl

On 4/10/2021 4:28 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 4/10/21 1:39 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> I don't think the whole affair was anything as traditional as
>> "Grasshopper walking the length of rice paper and leaving no trace"
>> like on Kung Fu, but there was something in it. Years later my old man
>> was asked to become a trade teacher at Collingwood tech but he wasn't
>> interested. He thought all trade teachers were fucking wankers, and I
>> can see how he came to that conclusion :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> LOL, I can still remember some of my trade teachers from Batman
> Automotive College, it was a very long time ago (early 70's).
> One in particular (I think his name was Bart Pridmore) was a pretty cool
> bloke because his racing Mini was occasionally in the classroom/workshop
> and we got to do some work on it.

The only one I knew from Batman was John Marshall who was an auto trans
specialist and who used to built my Powerglides back in the days when I
was into drag racing. Great guy and superb auto guru. He used to think
Trade Teaching was a load of shit and most of the teachers were knobs,
and he only did it because it was an easy guaranteed income while he ran
his home auto business on the side :)

> I particularly liked the teacher who did diesels which I think was 3rd
> yr, he asked if any of us worked on diesels and I was the only one who
> said yes, he asked me to do a test which was fitting a diesel injector
> pump then timing, bleeding and starting the engine, I did that and he
> said that I had just passed the end of year exam so I didn't need to
> come to class anymore so I just went home 2hrs early every trade school
> day:-)

Lol :)

> Couldn't say if any of them were good at their trade but they were
> likeable enough.

I knew most of the ones at Richmond Tech. Some were cool, some were
complete tossers. Knew all the paint and panel staff, and they were the
same deal. For the most part I think the majority became teachers
because it was easy.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 4/10/21 7:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 4:28 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 4/10/21 1:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I don't think the whole affair was anything as traditional as
>>> "Grasshopper walking the length of rice paper and leaving no trace"
>>> like on Kung Fu, but there was something in it. Years later my old
>>> man was asked to become a trade teacher at Collingwood tech but he
>>> wasn't interested. He thought all trade teachers were fucking
>>> wankers, and I can see how he came to that conclusion :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, I can still remember some of my trade teachers from Batman
>> Automotive College, it was a very long time ago (early 70's).
>> One in particular (I think his name was Bart Pridmore) was a pretty

His name was Bart Pridmore. I knew him quite well since he left Batman
Automotive and ended up at the Hawthorn Campus of Melbourne Uni. That,
for your info, was the *Victorian Technical Teacher's College. Three
others in automotive there were Ray Retell (Dept. Head), Alan Barratt
and Ray Busby. I spent a total of 6 years at that college. BTW, the
above info, unlike so much of the bullshit you fling about, is *verifiable*.

>> cool bloke because his racing Mini was occasionally in the
>> classroom/workshop and we got to do some work on it.
>
> The only one I knew from Batman was John Marshall who was an auto trans
> specialist and who used to built my Powerglides back in the days when I
> was into drag racing. Great guy and superb auto guru. He used to think

You? Into drag racing? Hahahahahhaha. Your engines don't last a lap at
Bathurst. God help them in a drag race.

> Trade Teaching was a load of shit and most of the teachers were knobs,

I call bullshit on that!

> and he only did it because it was an easy guaranteed income while he ran
> his home auto business on the side :)
>
>> I particularly liked the teacher who did diesels which I think was 3rd
>> yr, he asked if any of us worked on diesels and I was the only one who
>> said yes, he asked me to do a test which was fitting a diesel injector
>> pump then timing, bleeding and starting the engine, I did that and he
>> said that I had just passed the end of year exam so I didn't need to
>> come to class anymore so I just went home 2hrs early every trade
>> school day:-)
>
> Lol :)
>
>> Couldn't say if any of them were good at their trade but they were
>> likeable enough.
>
> I knew most of the ones at Richmond Tech. Some were cool, some were

Throw some teacher's names out there Darren. *Your name* is mysteriously
absent from the motor mechanics and auto machining area. Why is that?

> complete tossers. Knew all the paint and panel staff, and they were the

Of course you did, you spent a long time on the hobby paint and panel
course of an evening. You must have been a very slow learner.

> same deal. For the most part I think the majority became teachers
> because it was easy.

Anyone who thinks teaching is easy has never done any teaching. What's
more, you have never sat in *any* automotive class as an apprentice.

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On 4/10/21 7:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 4:28 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 4/10/21 1:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I don't think the whole affair was anything as traditional as
>>> "Grasshopper walking the length of rice paper and leaving no trace"
>>> like on Kung Fu, but there was something in it. Years later my old
>>> man was asked to become a trade teacher at Collingwood tech but he
>>> wasn't interested. He thought all trade teachers were fucking
>>> wankers, and I can see how he came to that conclusion :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, I can still remember some of my trade teachers from Batman
>> Automotive College, it was a very long time ago (early 70's).
>> One in particular (I think his name was Bart Pridmore) was a pretty
>> cool bloke because his racing Mini was occasionally in the
>> classroom/workshop and we got to do some work on it.
>
> The only one I knew from Batman was John Marshall who was an auto trans
> specialist and who used to built my Powerglides back in the days when I
> was into drag racing. Great guy and superb auto guru. He used to think
> Trade Teaching was a load of shit and most of the teachers were knobs,
> and he only did it because it was an easy guaranteed income while he ran
> his home auto business on the side :)

That name isn't familiar but I started at Batman in 1970, the first year
it opened.
Don't remember doing any auto trans training, may have but I don't
remember:-)

>
>> I particularly liked the teacher who did diesels which I think was 3rd
>> yr, he asked if any of us worked on diesels and I was the only one who
>> said yes, he asked me to do a test which was fitting a diesel injector
>> pump then timing, bleeding and starting the engine, I did that and he
>> said that I had just passed the end of year exam so I didn't need to
>> come to class anymore so I just went home 2hrs early every trade
>> school day:-)
>
> Lol :)
>
>> Couldn't say if any of them were good at their trade but they were
>> likeable enough.
>
> I knew most of the ones at Richmond Tech. Some were cool, some were
> complete tossers. Knew all the paint and panel staff, and they were the
> same deal. For the most part I think the majority became teachers
> because it was easy.
>

Could be.
One of my mechanic uncles had to give it away because the oil and dirt
etc gave him severe dermatitis, he ended up spending a lot of his
working life driving trucks so its possible some tradies could end up as
teachers because they had trouble with or simply don't like getting dirty.

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On 4/10/2021 10:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 4/10/21 7:43 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> The only one I knew from Batman was John Marshall who was an auto
>> trans specialist and who used to built my Powerglides back in the days
>> when I was into drag racing. Great guy and superb auto guru. He used
>> to think Trade Teaching was a load of shit and most of the teachers
>> were knobs, and he only did it because it was an easy guaranteed
>> income while he ran his home auto business on the side :)
>
> That name isn't familiar but I started at Batman in 1970, the first year
> it opened.
> Don't remember doing any auto trans training, may have but I don't
> remember:-)

He taught general stream motor mechanics, but he was an automatic
transmission specialist.

>> I knew most of the ones at Richmond Tech. Some were cool, some were
>> complete tossers. Knew all the paint and panel staff, and they were
>> the same deal. For the most part I think the majority became teachers
>> because it was easy.
>>
>
> Could be.
> One of my mechanic uncles had to give it away because the oil and dirt
> etc gave him severe dermatitis, he ended up spending a lot of his
> working life driving trucks so its possible some tradies could end up as
> teachers because they had trouble with or simply don't like getting dirty.

Or they're clueless lazy cunts looking for the perfect environment to
fake a back injury.....

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On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 23:32:12 +1100, Noddy wrote:

>
> Or they're clueless lazy cunts looking for the perfect environment to
> fake a back injury.....

Said the sociopath who faked qualifications, wealth & achievements...

What a buffoon.

alvey

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On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 8:28 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:57:46 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/10/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:38:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/10/2021 7:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 7:23 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 2:24 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 12:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 12:39 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 10:47 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2021 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:26:50 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2021 6:11 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:41:17 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't seem to mention Krypsis much these days,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does he?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you don't mention your fictitious achievements at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fraudster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And acrimonious alwee squeaks but what about him yet again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pen of my aunt is in the garden.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "La plume de ma tante". I suspect  your reply is beyond his
>>>>>>>>>>>> ken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And up popped pitiful Pete with nothing to say as usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mon tailleur est riche
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you need to up your meds Douggie ol'son..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh oh, I've been bitchslapped with a damp feather. You suspected
>>>>>>>>> Alwee's comment was beyond my ken, I responded with the perfect
>>>>>>>>> response to your 'La plume...' It basically is a joke french
>>>>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>>>> that is used when you don't know what to say in English. Which is
>>>>>>>>> fairly accurate in this situation for you. You only seem to
>>>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>>>> guts to say anything when you know you have the backing of the
>>>>>>>>> flc,
>>>>>>>>> otherwise your a coward of the highest order.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> look whose talking. when did you last serve your country?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Completely irrelevant as usual. However, to answer your question,
>>>>>>> whilst I haven't actively served I have supported our forces as a
>>>>>>> civilian contractor and held the relevant clearances. Still putting
>>>>>>> your foot in your mouth. Have you actively served? I also have
>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>> who actively served including one who is at the moment.
>>>>>> it's a bit rich calling someone 'a coward of the highest order' when
>>>>>> it's your Lord and Master who hides behind a killfile.
>>>>>>
>>>>> He isn't my Lord and Master. Never has been, never will be.
>>>> If that's the case then Gumps, would you mind answering this simple
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> Do you believe all the Big Claims that The Fraudster has made in
>>>> this ng?
>>>> (NA of A, multiple quals, owns a property on the Sunny Coast,
>>>> membership of
>>>> VACC, father "fought" in the Korean conflict et al).
>>>>
>>>> Oty Gumps.
>>>>
>>> I honestly don't give a shit. It's entertainment. Do you believe
>>> everything you read. Do you get angry when a movie doesn't follow the
>>> plot in the book. It doesn't matter, it's purely for entertainment.
>>> What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the knickers of
>>> those in
>>> the flc have become.
>> See, you're hopelessly wrong there. I'm a retired old fart living on the
>> Sunny Coast.
>
>
> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.

>
>
>>   Knickers are rarely worn by that demographic.
>>
>> Anyhoo, have you considered that some people may not share
>> your...errr...
>> 'novel' opinion of being routinely and baselessly abused by a proven
>> liar
>> as "entertainment"? And if it is "entertainment" for you Gumps, why
>> then do
>> you get so wound-up and abusive about things said to you? A tad
>> hypocritical that Gumps, *and* shows your rationale to be... 'dubious'.
>>
>>> In saying that though, his workmanship that I have
>>> seen in person is exceptionally good.
>> Why do you lot keep running this pointless flag up the pole? The
>> quality of
>> The Fraud's workmanship has *never* been an issue, (And what it has
>> to do
>> with his non-spanner claims is beyond me), it's that he lies Gumps.
>> (Plus
>> abuses, runs away etc etc).
>>
>> Can you imagine what this group, any group, would be like if everyone
>> carried on like The Fraud? It'd be cornidge Ritchie. If one bat-shit
>> crazy
>> sociopath can make this group what it is, ie *not* "entertaining",
>> imagine
>> what a shedload would be like?
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
>

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On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 4/10/2021 8:28 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:57:46 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the knickers of
>>>> those in
>>>> the flc have become.
>>> See, you're hopelessly wrong there. I'm a retired old fart living on
>>> the
>>> Sunny Coast.
>>
>>
>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.

what does it say? and are you saying you knew he wasn't and if so why?
but since you don't answer questions, here's my 'thought process'. He
drives a sporty car, typical of younger persons. he plays cricket (not
exactly an old mans game), he usually posts early in morning, consistent
with someone who works during the day, and he 'sounds' young by his
phraseology and terminology. but here's the clincher, he once posted a
photo of a young couple who I thought he said were friends. something
wrong with that 'thought process' is there jonzie?

>
>>
>>
>>>   Knickers are rarely worn by that demographic.

but sometimes are.. :)

>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>>
>

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On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>
>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.

Felix thinks that injector cleaner makes his engine run better. Tells
you all you need to know about his thought process. He'd be a prime
candidate for being a "jelly bean" receiver in any medical test :)

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On 10/4/2021 12:50 PM, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:08:31 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2021 7:57 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:38:04 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> If that's the case then Gumps, would you mind answering this simple
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> Do you believe all the Big Claims that The Fraudster has made in this ng?
>>>> (NA of A, multiple quals, owns a property on the Sunny Coast,
>>>> membership of
>>>> VACC, father "fought" in the Korean conflict et al).
>>>>
>>>> Oty Gumps.
>>>>
>>> I honestly don't give a shit. It's entertainment. Do you believe
>>> everything you read. Do you get angry when a movie doesn't follow the
>>> plot in the book. It doesn't matter, it's purely for entertainment.
>>> What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the knickers of those in
>>> the flc have become. In saying that though, his workmanship that I have
>>> seen in person is exceptionally good.
>> That's beside the point. The interesting thing to observe here is why do
>> people like Alvey get *so* worked up over whether my claims are true or
>> not? I mean, at the end of the day what the fuck is it to them? why do
>> they even *care*? Is it because they want to be "boss" of some pissy
>> little newsgroup that no one gives a toss about, or is it a personal
>> insecurity thing where they just *have* to be dismissive of other
>> people's claims in order to make themselves feel a little bit less
>> insignificant?
> Fantastic day here on the Sunny. Loads of delicious brown bottoms on the
> beach.
>
> Anyhow, got a new game to try out. It's called 'Count Der Ders Errors'!
>
>> That's beside the point. The interesting thing to observe here is why do
>> people like Alvey get *so* worked up over whether my claims are true or
>> not?
> One. I don't get "worked up". The one who *does* get worked up would be the
> hypocrite who ran away from simple questions to hide behind his (snigger)
> killfail and yet *still* pours abuse on those he's too chicken to face.
> Onya Der Der!
>
>> I mean, at the end of the day what the fuck is it to them? why do
>> they even *care*? Is it because they want to be "boss" of some pissy
>> little newsgroup that no one gives a toss about
> Two. Nope. There's only one person in here who wants to be "boss". That'd
> be the hypocrite who is forever telling people to "fuck off"/"set yourself
> on fire" if they don't measure up (down?) to his required behaviours.
> That'd be you Der Der.
>
>> or is it a personal insecurity thing where they just *have* to be dismissive of other
>> people's claims in order to make themselves feel a little bit less
>> insignificant?
> Three. And a Great Big Laugh! Who's the insecure little failure who has
> invented grandiose lies, bagged every successful person mentioned (eg.
> Brock, Clarkson, Musk) *and* everyone in this toxic sewer who doesn't
> admire the muck he walks in, all in a desperate attempt to raise his
> miniscule standing? That'd be The Fraud. You know, if all of Der Der's
> 'Mirror' statements were printed one per A5 page, I very much doubt that
> they'd fit in his tin shed.
>
> So I make it four in one normal sized para. I suspect that'll be about The
> Fraud's average.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

*TRIGGERED*.....<FBG>

>
>
>
>
> alvey
>

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On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:01:26 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.
>
> Felix thinks that injector cleaner makes his engine run better. Tells
> you all you need to know about his thought process. He'd be a prime
> candidate for being a "jelly bean" receiver in any medical test :)

Crikey!

You'd think that if *anyone* should stay right away from criticising other
peoples' thought process it'd be The Fraudster. He who needs to invent
whopping great lies, childishly abuse people who don't believe his every
word *and* chickens out when he gets any blowback. Hmmmmm. Come to think of
it... Is there any evidence that The Fraud has "thought processes"?

alvey

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On 5/10/21 12:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.
>
> Felix thinks that injector cleaner makes his engine run better. Tells
> you all you need to know about his thought process. He'd be a prime
> candidate for being a "jelly bean" receiver in any medical test :)
>
>
I don't normally recommend additives of any form, especially lubricant
additives, but injector cleaner worked on my previous Toyota when one of
the injectors was a tad sticky on a cold start. The engine would run
briefly on 3 cylinders after a cold start and pick up after a few
revolutions. Didn't flag a code, unsurprising since it was in open loop
with an enriched mixture anyway. It was either the injector cleaner or R
& R of injectors and an ultrasonic clean while they were out. Since I
didn't have an ultrasonic cleaner or an injector pulser, the injector
cleaner was worth a try - and it worked. So, yes, the injector cleaner
definitely made my engine run better. An alternative to injector cleaner
is to run a tank full of 98 RON through the engine every now and then.
98 has a higher level a detergent cleaner in it and is less prone to
varnish and gumming up.

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On 5/10/21 12:55 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 12:01:26 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.
>>
>> Felix thinks that injector cleaner makes his engine run better. Tells
>> you all you need to know about his thought process. He'd be a prime
>> candidate for being a "jelly bean" receiver in any medical test :)
>
> Crikey!
>
> You'd think that if *anyone* should stay right away from criticising other
> peoples' thought process it'd be The Fraudster. He who needs to invent
> whopping great lies, childishly abuse people who don't believe his every
> word *and* chickens out when he gets any blowback. Hmmmmm. Come to think of
> it... Is there any evidence that The Fraud has "thought processes"?
>
>
>
> alvey
>
Lots of evidence that what passes for his thought processes is deeply
flawed.

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On 5/10/2021 12:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>>
>>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.
>
> Felix thinks that injector cleaner makes his engine run better. Tells
> you all you need to know about his thought process.

that's not a 'thought process' it's a reality

> He'd be a prime candidate for being a "jelly bean" receiver in any
> medical test :)
>
>

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On 5/10/21 6:27 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 23:32:12 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>>
>> Or they're clueless lazy cunts looking for the perfect environment to
>> fake a back injury.....
>
> Said the sociopath who faked qualifications, wealth & achievements...
>
> What a buffoon.
>
>
>
> alvey
>
Looks like his attempted sledge *back*fired.

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On 5/10/2021 11:53 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/10/2021 11:22 am, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/4/2021 11:03 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2021 8:28 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 06:57:46 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's funnier is how twisted your knickers and the knickers of
>>>>> those in
>>>>> the flc have become.
>>>> See, you're hopelessly wrong there. I'm a retired old fart living
>>>> on the
>>>> Sunny Coast.
>>>
>>>
>>> there's a surprise. I thought you were a young bloke, about 30 yo
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  Now *that* statement speaks volumes regarding your thought? processes.
>
>
> what does it say? and are you saying you knew he wasn't and if so why?
> but since you don't answer questions, here's my 'thought process'. He
> drives a sporty car, typical of younger persons. he plays cricket (not
> exactly an old mans game), he usually posts early in morning,
> consistent with someone who works during the day, and he 'sounds'
> young by his phraseology and terminology. but here's the clincher, he
> once posted a photo of a young couple who I thought he said were
> friends. something wrong with that 'thought process' is there jonzie?
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>   Knickers are rarely worn by that demographic.
>
>
> but sometimes are.. :)

famous case in point ..
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wj5ekm/he-was-a-top-officer-in-the-military-and-also-a-serial-killer

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On 1/10/2021 10:01 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 1/10/2021 9:25 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 30/09/2021 8:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 30/09/2021 7:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 28/09/2021 7:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 28/09/2021 5:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 2:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/09/2021 6:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 3:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 4:10 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 1:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 12:15 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 10:57 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 10:07 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 08:45:30 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2021 6:54 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 22:15:21 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/09/2021 6:21 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh btw Der Der, I notice that you're still reading all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my posts. lol.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how this works, I'll type it slowly so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can understand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can stick your tongue out if it helps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Little alvey makes a post.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Somebody who hasn't got him plonked (E.G. jonz)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replies quoting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little alveys post.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Noddy who hasn't got that person (E.G. jonz) plonked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sees his post
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including your words of wisdom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Noddy replies to that post with your quote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See, simple isn't it, that's the way that Usenet works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you still don't understand  then either you are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid than max
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or willfully igorant, and that is just as bad as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that you've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accused noddy of being.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol. "willfully igorant".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another contender for 'Pyto of the Moth' from keith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyhoo keith... everybody here (except Der Der. Ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about his "private
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation" interpretation sometime. It's a real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoot!) has a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grasp of how usenet works. The flaw in your primer is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once again that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are an ocassional visitor to this swamp. You see Der Der
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indisputable history of wanting to be so quick to spew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of his bile
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about that he's forgotten that he's repeatedly brayed,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'I *never* read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nnnnnnnn's posts' and replied *directly* to the named
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Binee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Examples?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also transparently obvious, to some anyway, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the buffoon has read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'invisible' posts by references he later makes. And then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sociopathic personality. He simply cannot *not* know if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written about him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Examples?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "examples"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike The Fraud, that's a bit rich keith. How about you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions for a change? I gave you an example of The Fraud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying his fool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head off and you've made no "relevant" comment on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Mind you, that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than Gumps' response). Now you want me to dig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the cesspit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *again*? You're much like the Bumhole (Vic) Bogan keith,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very keen on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking questions, shithouse at answering them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A long way of say that you can't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so you expect alvey to remember some occasions, and dredge
>>>>>>>>>>>> them up and post here, because you don't believe him? (and
>>>>>>>>>>>> me) also I know clocky and Xeno would also confirm, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly even jonz could except he's a noddy devotee now,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but you don't require noddy, a proven liar, to justify any
>>>>>>>>>>>> of his claims to you? interesting...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a proven
>>>>>>>>>>> liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing proof doesn't mean the claim is false,
>>>>>>>>>> only that it's unproven
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is
>>>>>>>>> lying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar, claiming he is qualified for which *no*
>>>>>>>> evidence has been provided or found anywhere, is lying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
>>>>
>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>>>
>>> If there is only one course of action available then there are no
>>> option - basic logic.
>>>
>>
>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>>
>> We will just call this Keef's paradox :-)
>>
>>
> I'd rather have a paradox than an obsession any day.

On 3/10/2021 8:30 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 3/10/2021 12:24 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/3/2021 7:25 AM, alvey wrote:
>
>>>>> Perhaps we should ask Jerky Birko to carry out another
>>>>> "investigation",
>>>>> as he never reached a finding in his original one :)
>>>> Odd, isn't it, how you only grow some balls and start posting when you
>>>> have *backup*. Amongst all your failings, you're just a rank coward.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> I must admit, it took moi some time to realise just how much of a
>> bullshit artist you are.
>
> It took you a while to catch on. Everyone else knew within a day or two :)
>
>> However amends have been made.
>
> Your relationship with Clasener is your business, but as far as I'm
> aware you're the only regular in this group who has met the bloke in
> person, and your opinion of him seemed to change quite dramatically not
> long after that.
>

As did Paul Saccani's opinion of you after meeting you. The difference
here is that not one of your enablers has two brain cells to rub
together whereas Paul is highly educated, highly experienced, sticks to
facts and doesn't lie.

Those attributes don't apply to your motley bunch of enablers.