The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record', but
fuck that for a game of soldiers.

Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.

I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading books
in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a dank
beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the pouring
rain...

Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.

Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
Atlantic jet stream.

--
“Ideas are inherently conservative. They yield not to the attack of
other ideas but to the massive onslaught of circumstance"

- John K Galbraith

On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record', but
> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>
> Currently 14°C, and steady grey  overcast with persistent rain.
>
> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading books
> in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a dank
> beach,  even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the pouring
> rain...
>
> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>
> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
> Atlantic jet stream.
>

14*C , you're lucky. It's only 12.6*C here with steady light rain or
drizzle that's not going away any time soon

I blame this cold tongue of water off Equador myself.
Brian

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"RobH" <rob@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record', but
>> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>
>> Currently 14�C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>>
>> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading books
>> in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a dank
>> beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the pouring
>> rain...
>>
>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>
>> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>> Atlantic jet stream.
>>
>
> 14*C , you're lucky. It's only 12.6*C here with steady light rain or
> drizzle that's not going away any time soon

On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record', but
> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>
> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>
> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.

Yep. Gave up sitting in the cold and turned on the fan heater an hour ago.

--

Jeff

On 05/08/2023 10:42, RobH wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record',
>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>
>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey  overcast with persistent rain.
>>
>> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading
>> books in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a
>> dank beach,  even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the
>> pouring rain...
>>
>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>
>> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>> Atlantic jet stream.
>>
>
> 14*C , you're lucky. It's only 12.6*C here with steady light rain or
> drizzle that's not going away any time soon

It's dropped to 13°C (at RAF Mildenhall, my closest air base) as the
rain passes over. Cold front coming.

Centre of the depression is somewhere in the midlands.

I have ordered as much oil as the tank will hold, at summer prices and
am busy programming my new heating controller. In C and javaCcript.
Intelligent control should save me a huge amount.

I think this summer will be a total washout and it will be a winter to
end all global warming nonsense

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On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:36:19 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
>The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record', but
>fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>
>Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>
>I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading books
>in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a dank
>beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the pouring
>rain...
>
>Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>
>Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>Atlantic jet stream.

I can remember in the 1960's my mother saying she felt sorry for the
holidaymakers as they huddled under their umbrellas on the beach
because their B&B landlady had chucked them out for the day. Very few
second homes in those days, or Aparthotels etc. just B&B or if you
were lucky B&B+EM. Proper hotels, of which there were a few, were for
the 'better off'.

Nothing new about cold wet summers.

--
Chris

On 05/08/2023 11:29, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record', but
>> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>
>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey  overcast with persistent rain.
>>
>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>
> Yep. Gave up sitting in the cold and turned on the fan heater an hour ago.
>
FuckinAda. That's going it a bit. I put on a jumper. Luckily the Aga
chucks out 800W into the kitchen. And that filters up to here a boit.
I shut all the windows though.

--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
...I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

On 05/08/2023 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 11:29, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record', but
>>> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>
>>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey  overcast with persistent rain.
>>>
>>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>
>> Yep. Gave up sitting in the cold and turned on the fan heater an hour ago.
>>
> FuckinAda. That's going it a bit. I put on a jumper. Luckily the Aga
> chucks out 800W into the kitchen. And that filters up to here a boit.
> I shut all the windows though.

Already had the woolie stuff on. No Aga to help out, and I'd forgotten
that the window vents (for the log burner in the lounge) were open;
they're now shut! Only had the heater on long enough to bring the room
up to 20°C, and now the sun's out the room should stay warm enough
without the heater.

--

Jeff

On 05 Aug 2023 at 12:32:05 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/08/2023 10:42, RobH wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record',
>>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>
>>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>>>
>>> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading
>>> books in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a
>>> dank beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the
>>> pouring rain...
>>>
>>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>>
>>> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>>> Atlantic jet stream.
>>>
>>
>> 14*C , you're lucky. It's only 12.6*C here with steady light rain or
>> drizzle that's not going away any time soon
>
> It's dropped to 13°C (at RAF Mildenhall, my closest air base) as the
> rain passes over. Cold front coming.
>
> Centre of the depression is somewhere in the midlands.
>
> I have ordered as much oil as the tank will hold, at summer prices and
> am busy programming my new heating controller. In C and javaCcript.
> Intelligent control should save me a huge amount.

Low price point was mid-July according to BoilerJuice. Gone up 14p/l or so
since then. I filled up in March as the price kept falling and it was unclear
what the price curve was going to do. In the end it seems to have followed a
traditional curve, but that wasn't obvious back then.

--
Socialism: For people who lack the charisma to be train spotters.

Ann Sheridan

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record', but
> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>
> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>
> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading books
> in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a dank
> beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the pouring
> rain...
>
> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>
> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
> Atlantic jet stream.

I see it’s being claimed that “it’s the hottest it’s been in the last
125,000 years”.

That’s an interesting cut off, because 150,000 years ago, at the peak of
the last interglacial, it was warmer, sorry, hotter, than at present
(according to the Vostok ice-core record).

I suppose claims like “Planet still cooler than previous interglacials”,
which is equally true, doesn’t fit the current narrative.

And for ~20,000 years of that interglacial, CO2 was relatively constant
even while temperatures were falling from +3 to -4degC.

<http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/vostok_150001.png>

--
Spike

Spike <aero.spike@btinternet.invalid> wrote:

> I suppose claims like “Planet still cooler than previous interglacials”,
> which is equally true, doesn’t fit the current narrative.
>
> And for ~20,000 years of that interglacial, CO2 was relatively constant
> even while temperatures were falling from +3 to -4degC.

Sorry, the graph is in degrees of temperature change, not temperatures.

> <http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/vostok_150001.png>
>

--
Spike

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:36:19 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record',
> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>
> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>
> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading
> books in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a
> dank beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the
> pouring rain...
>
> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>
> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
> Atlantic jet stream.
>

Ludicrous right-tard twat.

On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record', but
> fuck that for a game of soldiers.

You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds like it.

On 05/08/2023 12:52, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 12:33, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 11:29, Jeff Layman wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record',
>>>> but
>>>> fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>>
>>>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey  overcast with persistent rain.
>>>>
>>>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>>
>>> Yep. Gave up sitting in the cold and turned on the fan heater an hour
>>> ago.
>>>
>> FuckinAda. That's going it a bit. I put on a jumper. Luckily the Aga
>> chucks out 800W into the kitchen. And that filters up to here a boit.
>> I shut all the windows though.
>
> Already had the woolie stuff on. No Aga to help out, and I'd forgotten
> that the window vents (for the log burner in the lounge) were open;
> they're now shut! Only had the heater on long enough to bring the room
> up to 20°C, and now the sun's out the room should stay warm enough
> without the heater.
>
Sun, You have sun! ?

Still full overcast, drizzle and 14°C
--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 05/08/2023 14:53, Steve wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:36:19 +0100
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record',
>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>
>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>>
>> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading
>> books in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a
>> dank beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the
>> pouring rain...
>>
>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>
>> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>> Atlantic jet stream.
>>
>
> Ludicrous right-tard twat.
>

Oh dear. I see class hatred is the order of the day.

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises

On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record',
>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>
> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds like it.
>
Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate change,
it is, after all, only weather.

I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate change.
And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie. Always.

--
“Progress is precisely that which rules and regulations did not foresee,”

– Ludwig von Mises

On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record',
>>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>
>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds like it.
>>
> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate change,
> it is, after all, only weather.
>
> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate change.
> And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie. Always.

You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 14:53:57 +0100, Steve <steve@steve.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:36:19 +0100
>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record',
>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>
>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>>
>> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading
>> books in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a
>> dank beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the
>> pouring rain...
>>
>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>
>> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>> Atlantic jet stream.
>>
>
>Ludicrous right-tard twat.

Probably still pissed from last night's session.

On 05/08/2023 18:11, GB wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on record',
>>>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>
>>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds like it.
>>>
>> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate
>> change, it is, after all, only weather.
>>
>> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate change.
>> And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie. Always.
>
> You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.

Yes, I am.

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 17:41:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 05/08/2023 14:53, Steve wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2023 10:36:19 +0100
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on record',
>>> but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>
>>> Currently 14°C, and steady grey overcast with persistent rain.
>>>
>>> I am reminded of family holidays in the 1960s, confined to reading
>>> books in grandparents musty house, because instead of shivering on a
>>> dank beach, even my mother baulked at the thought of doing it in the
>>> pouring rain...
>>>
>>> Autumn appears to have arrived three months early.
>>>
>>> Only Spain and Greece seem to be south of this wild and wet North
>>> Atlantic jet stream.
>>>
>>
>> Ludicrous right-tard twat.
>>
>
>Oh dear. I see class hatred is the order of the day.

It's the school holidays. That sort of language is all they're capable
of these days.

--
Chris

On 05/08/2023 18:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 18:11, GB wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on
>>>>> record', but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>>
>>>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds like
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate
>>> change, it is, after all, only weather.
>>>
>>> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate change.
>>> And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie. Always.
>>
>> You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.
>
> Yes, I am.

They say pride comes before a fall.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature

On 05/08/2023 18:33, Fredxx wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 18:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 18:11, GB wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on
>>>>>> record', but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds
>>>>> like it.
>>>>>
>>>> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate
>>>> change, it is, after all, only weather.
>>>>
>>>> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate
>>>> change. And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie.
>>>> Always.
>>>
>>> You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.
>>
>> Yes, I am.
>
>
> They say pride comes before a fall.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature
>
>
They say reading the guardian damages your intelligence.
And no, there is no record of sea temperatures that is in nay way
reliable, even now, let alone 50 or 100 years ago.

--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

On 5 Aug 2023 at 18:53:01 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 05/08/2023 18:33, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 18:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 18:11, GB wrote:
>>>> On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on
>>>>>>> record', but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds
>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate
>>>>> change, it is, after all, only weather.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate
>>>>> change. And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie.
>>>>> Always.
>>>>
>>>> You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.
>>>
>>> Yes, I am.
>>
>>
>> They say pride comes before a fall.
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature
>>
>>
> They say reading the guardian damages your intelligence.
> And no, there is no record of sea temperatures that is in nay way
> reliable, even now, let alone 50 or 100 years ago.

Honestly, you just to need to read it:

"Sea surface temperature measurements made from ships go back more than 150
years and are some of the longest instrumental records available for
understanding the climate".

This was more worrying, as much because they know something's happening but
don't know why. Yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/29/something-weird-is-going-on-search-for-answers-as-antarctic-sea-ice-stays-at-historic-lows

--
Cheers, Rob, Sheffield UK

On 05/08/2023 18:57, RJH wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2023 at 18:53:01 BST, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> On 05/08/2023 18:33, Fredxx wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 18:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 05/08/2023 18:11, GB wrote:
>>>>> On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the 'hottest evah on
>>>>>>>> record', but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds
>>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate
>>>>>> change, it is, after all, only weather.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate
>>>>>> change. And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie.
>>>>>> Always.
>>>>>
>>>>> You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I am.
>>>
>>>
>>> They say pride comes before a fall.
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature
>>>
>>>
>> They say reading the guardian damages your intelligence.
>> And no, there is no record of sea temperatures that is in nay way
>> reliable, even now, let alone 50 or 100 years ago.
>
> Honestly, you just to need to read it:
>
> "Sea surface temperature measurements made from ships go back more than 150
> years and are some of the longest instrumental records available for
> understanding the climate".
>

Sea surface temperatures are not sea temperatures, The record is
patchy, because ships do not sail everywhere, and the change from
measuring water temperatures by a thermometer in a bucket, compared
with engine coolant intakes let alone buoys dropped in the sea, further
confuses the issue.
The BBCand the Guardian present clear simple messages for simple people.
Its not that simple

> This was more worrying, as much because they know something's happening but
> don't know why. Yet.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/29/something-weird-is-going-on-search-for-answers-as-antarctic-sea-ice-stays-at-historic-lows
>
Of course we do, but its not man made global warming. Its El Nĩno plus a
volcano.

But that doesn't get you funding for windmills or a more authoritarian
Marxist government.

https://flipboard.com/topic/hungatongahungaha'apaivolcano/tonga-volcanic-eruption-may-have-role-in-fueling-summer-heatwaves/a-nSrzL3DNR0uDrpsPxlOT4g%3Aa%3A7668203-23b6a1daa8%2Fflipboard.com
--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

On 05/08/2023 18:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 05/08/2023 18:33, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 05/08/2023 18:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2023 18:11, GB wrote:
>>>> On 05/08/2023 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 05/08/2023 15:19, mm0fmf wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/08/2023 10:36, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> The Beeb can insist that this year is the  'hottest evah on
>>>>>>> record', but fuck that for a game of soldiers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not conflating weather with climate are you? Sure sounds
>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. Hot weather in Spain and Greece cannot be climate
>>>>> change, it is, after all, only weather.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that's true because the Beeb insisted it *was* climate
>>>>> change. And like Russia, whatever the beeb currently says is a lie.
>>>>> Always.
>>>>
>>>> You must be so clever to see through all the obfuscation.
>>>
>>> Yes, I am.
>>
>>
>> They say pride comes before a fall.
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/oceans-hit-highest-ever-recorded-temperature
>>
>>
> They say reading the guardian damages your intelligence.

Who is they? Deniers of possible man made climate change?

> And no, there is no record of sea temperatures that is in nay way
> reliable, even now, let alone 50 or 100 years ago.

No record? You must be having a laugh, or head firmly planted in the
sand singing "la la la".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_surface_temperature