I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will be
quicker:-)

General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness of
brake discs.
My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast to
the outer shaft.
Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages of
0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.

The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
threatened fail with the tester.

Any thoughts?
--
Tim Lamb

On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 19:04:22 +0100
Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
> be quicker:-)
>
> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
> of brake discs.
> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
> to the outer shaft.
> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>
> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
> threatened fail with the tester.
>
> Any thoughts?

There's still a bit of flexibility and subjectivity in MOT testing. You
want the kind of tester who will replace a failed bulb during the test
and not demand a re-test. Fortunately I found one like that and he's
still in business about twenty years later.

--
Joe

On 21/08/2023 19:32, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023 19:04:22 +0100
> Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>> be quicker:-)
>>
>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>> of brake discs.
>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>> to the outer shaft.
>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>
>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> There's still a bit of flexibility and subjectivity in MOT testing. You
> want the kind of tester who will replace a failed bulb during the test
> and not demand a re-test. Fortunately I found one like that and he's
> still in business about twenty years later.

I've used a number (depending upon availability when required) and found
that most are reasonable - advisories for grey areas that might or might
not be a failure and failures for those things that clearly are.

On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will be
> quicker:-)
>
> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness of
> brake discs.
> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast to
> the outer shaft.
> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages of
> 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>
> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
> threatened fail with the tester.
>
> Any thoughts?

Mots also have a brake efficiency test.

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On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will be
> quicker:-)
>
> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness of
> brake discs.
> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast to
> the outer shaft.
> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages of
> 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>
> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
> threatened fail with the tester.
>
> Any thoughts?

This might assist:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/1-brakes#section-1-1-14

"A brake disc or drum must be significantly worn before you should
reject it. Being worn below the manufacturer’s recommended limits is not
a reason in itself."

On 22/08/2023 01:07, Fredxx wrote:
> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>> be quicker:-)
>>
>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>> of brake discs.
>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>> to the outer shaft.
>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>
>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>
> This might assist:
>
> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/1-brakes#section-1-1-14
>
> "A brake disc or drum must be significantly worn before you should
> reject it. Being worn below the manufacturer’s recommended limits is not
> a reason in itself."

The disc pads will fail if
(i) worn down to wear indicator
(ii) worn below 1.5mm

If there is a concern over the discs, I would tell the tester that you
are aware the discs are worn but you've measured them with a vernier or
caliper and can confirm they are within the manufacturer's wear limit.

TBH I have never had a vehicle due to the condition of the discs though
I have had a few advisories.

On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will be
> quicker:-)
>
> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness of
> brake discs.
> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast to
> the outer shaft.
> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages of
> 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>
> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
> threatened fail with the tester.
>
> Any thoughts?
MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>> be quicker:-)
>>
>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>> of brake discs.
>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>> to the outer shaft.
>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>
>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>
How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?

On 22/08/2023 07:52, Pancho wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>> be quicker:-)
>>>
>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>> of brake discs.
>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>>> to the outer shaft.
>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>
>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>>
> How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?

Generally yes, if you dont mind squatting in the drive.

They are generally held on by the wheel nuts, so get loose when you pull
the wheel and nuts

You need to pull the calipers off as well which is RUST territory on the
bolts and there may be a retaining screw on the disks as well. which
will almost certainly need an impact driver of the hammer on kind to get
loose.

Then to replace the pads you need to push the cylinders apart in the
calipers. It its a sliding caliper re-greasing the slide pins is a must.

For an amateur about an hour per wheel. For a shop with a lift and
ratchet impacts etc probably all 4 in an hour. Id expect a total job
done by a shop to be less than £150. Which is a small price to pay to
get back 'as new' braking performance, It doesn't matter how thick the
disks are for normal low speed driving - what matters is how scored and
grooved they are.

And the parts are all high volume, in stock and cheap.

--
“But what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!”

Mary Wollstonecraft

On 22/08/2023 07:52, Pancho wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>> be quicker:-)
>>>
>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>> of brake discs.
>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>>> to the outer shaft.
>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>
>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>>
> How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?

The last I did was on a Fiesta and it was less that a couple of hours
job to do the fronts, but it was old really crappy. I did the pads at
the same time. Plenty of videos on YouTube:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3LrWoKzqZ4

Dave

On 22/08/2023 08:27, David Wade wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 07:52, Pancho wrote:
>> On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>>> be quicker:-)
>>>>
>>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>>> of brake discs.
>>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm
>>>> cast to the outer shaft.
>>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>>
>>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>>>
>> How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?
>
> The last I did was on a Fiesta and it was less that a couple of hours
> job to do the fronts, but it was old really crappy. I did the pads at
> the same time. Plenty of videos on YouTube:-
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3LrWoKzqZ4
>

If you have never done it before also use your mobile phone to take
photos as you dismantle, especially of any clips you remove. This will
give you the clues for re-assembly when its not 100% intuitive how they
fit back in.

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On 22/08/2023 09:17, alan_m wrote:
> On 22/08/2023 08:27, David Wade wrote:
>> On 22/08/2023 07:52, Pancho wrote:
>>> On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this
>>>>> will be quicker:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual
>>>>> thickness of brake discs.
>>>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm
>>>>> cast to the outer shaft.
>>>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave
>>>>> averages of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>>>
>>>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>>>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>>>>
>>> How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?
>>
>> The last I did was on a Fiesta and it was less that a couple of hours
>> job to do the fronts, but it was old really crappy. I did the pads at
>> the same time. Plenty of videos on YouTube:-
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3LrWoKzqZ4
>>
>
>
> If you have never done it before also use your mobile phone to take
> photos as you dismantle, especially of any clips you remove. This will
> give you the clues for re-assembly when its not 100% intuitive how they
> fit back in.
>

+1

Remember car repair is simply two things. Diagnosing what is broken, and
finding out how the fuck to remove the rusty bolts holding it in place
and how much else you have to remove to get to it.

Plus of course knowing how to apply the right amount of torque when
putting it back together.

--
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Would it not be cheaper to do them now as in a while the prices must be
higher due to inflation.
Brian

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"Tim Lamb" <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:0YJi1vrmc64kFwNh@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk...
>I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will be
>quicker:-)
>
> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness of
> brake discs.
> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast to
> the outer shaft.
> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages of
> 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>
> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a threatened
> fail with the tester.
>
> Any thoughts?
> --
> Tim Lamb

In message <uc1ls6$2ae58$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>be quicker:-)
>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>of brake discs.
>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>>to the outer shaft.
>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>threatened fail with the tester.
>> Any thoughts?
>MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.

It's a shopping trolley!

My Passat does any real travelling.

The intention has been to replace it with a battery job but the removal
of incentives and the steep price rises rather off putting.
>

--
Tim Lamb

In message <uc1lv9$2ae77$1@dont-email.me>, Pancho
<Pancho.Jones@proton.me> writes
>On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>>be quicker:-)
>>>
>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>>of brake discs.
>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm
>>>cast to the outer shaft.
>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>>of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>
>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>>threatened fail with the tester.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>>
>How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?

It looks doable on U tube. I particularly liked using a G cramp to
compress the calliper piston:-)

--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <uc1ls6$2ae58$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>> be quicker:-)
>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>> of brake discs.
>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>>> to the outer shaft.
>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>> Any thoughts?
>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>
> It's a shopping trolley!
>
> My Passat does any real travelling.
>
> The intention has been to replace it with a battery job but the removal
> of incentives and the steep price rises rather off putting.

Second hand EV prices are coming down. Always worth having a shufty on
Autotrader.

Eg.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307219911848?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&include-delivery-option=on&postcode=KA7%204QX&fromsra

More seriously, plenty of old Leafs around.

Tim

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On 22/08/2023 09:20, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <uc1ls6$2ae58$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>> be  quicker:-)
>>>  General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>> of  brake discs.
>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm cast
>>> to  the outer shaft.
>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>> of  0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>  The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>>  Any thoughts?
>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>
> It's a shopping trolley!

Still needs brakes - even more so, as urban driving is covered in total
arseholes and idiots. Many on bicycles.

I pulled out on front of a car doing 10mph and turning left into my
road, only to find a motorcycle had decided to overtake him. He threw
the machine down and slid into me. Got up and apologised profusely. He
had a bent fairing and a grazed knee.

If that had been a pedal cyclist today I would probably have been banned
from driving. My fault for not realizing he would never have read the
highway code and the rule about not overtaking at junctions.

>
> My Passat does any real travelling.
>
> The intention has been to replace it with a battery job but the removal
> of incentives and the steep price rises rather off putting.

A set of discs and pads will cost you way less than a battery car.

At some stage those discs are going to be judged to be scored beyond
safety. That is in fact far more relevant than thickness of either - if
you think about it pad and disk thickness is about brake fade at high
speed. But *scored* disks and pads is all about braking force available
at *any* speed.

--
Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle
more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump
their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the
battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.

Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> It's a shopping trolley!
>
> My Passat does any real travelling.
>
> The intention has been to replace it with a battery job but the removal
> of incentives and the steep price rises rather off putting.

Battery jobs have come down a lot on the used market recently - after all
the supply chain issues have sorted themselves out, it looks like prices
reverted to what would be expected of a car of that age.

If you're replacing the Passat, a <2yo MG5 is 13.4k, for example:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308211048832

The MG ZS can be had around the 9-12k mark.
(the 9k example on Autotrader currently is a CatS though)

Theo

Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Second hand EV prices are coming down. Always worth having a shufty on
> Autotrader.
>
> Eg.
> https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307219911848?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&fuel-type=Electric&include-delivery-option=on&postcode=KA7%204QX&fromsra

Now *that's* a shopping trolley. About as crashworthy too.

> More seriously, plenty of old Leafs around.

They're a fair option if you don't need a lot of range. Because there's
only an air cooled battery, they suffer more from battery degradation than
any other make, especially ones that have seen a lot of rapid charging. But
that means the examples with ~50 miles of range can be picked up cheap, and
shopping trollies or daily commuter cars often don't need much range, so...

Also worth looking at Zoes (basically a Clio EV) - many of them are battery
leased but the lease can be bought out for about 1-2k. The Zoe has proper
liquid battery cooling so should last longer.

Theo

In message <uc1rgs$2bbb6$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>Would it not be cheaper to do them now as in a while the prices must be
>higher due to inflation.
>Brian
The plan is to replace the vehicle with something electric. We have
family in North London so ULEZ is an issue.

The vehicle is overdue for a brake fluid change ( other than Ford, who
would market a vehicle needing a 2 year garage job) not d-i-y because of
the ABS controls.

Having studied the rust on the calliper holding bolts, I am nervous of
taking on the job anyway.
>

--
Tim Lamb

On 22/08/2023 09:25, Tim Lamb wrote:
> In message <uc1lv9$2ae77$1@dont-email.me>, Pancho
> <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> writes
>> On 22/08/2023 07:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 21/08/2023 19:04, Tim Lamb wrote:
>>>> I am sure this will have been done elsewhere but I suspect this will
>>>> be quicker:-)
>>>>
>>>> General experience of vehicle testers and minimum residual thickness
>>>> of brake discs.
>>>> My wife's mk9 Ford Fiesta has a minimum thickness figure of 21mm
>>>> cast  to the outer shaft.
>>>> Careful measurement with my trusty imperial micrometer gave averages
>>>> of 0.843 and 0.837 which I reckon to be 21.41mm and 21.26mm.
>>>>
>>>> The pads have a bit of life left so my intention is to argue a
>>>> threatened fail with the tester.
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>> MOT standards are well below what I would consider 'safe driving' .
>>> Don't be such a skinflint. Replace the lot.
>>>
>> How easy is it to replace a disk, diy?
>
> It looks doable on U tube. I particularly liked using a G cramp to
> compress the calliper piston:-)
>

That is one trick.

There are others. ISTR using mole grips, or the old pads and a pry bar.

This tool

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325553554058

is fantastic, and to get the retaining screw out of the disk...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195892367185

is the business. I don't often need mine, but when I do...

And a set of pads and discs is, if you go for 3rd party aftermarket,
cheap as chips.

--
WOKE is an acronym... Without Originality, Knowledge or Education.

On 22/08/2023 09:42, Tim Lamb wrote:

> Having studied the rust on the calliper holding bolts, I am nervous of
> taking on the job anyway.

Its not the rust that you can see, it's the rust that you cannot...

Most bolts will break free with a 2 ft breaker bar and a good fitting
socket.

Ive never seen a caliper bolt actually shear.

>

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

In message <4vf*i1roz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo
<theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes
>Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> It's a shopping trolley!
>>
>> My Passat does any real travelling.
>>
>> The intention has been to replace it with a battery job but the removal
>> of incentives and the steep price rises rather off putting.
>
>Battery jobs have come down a lot on the used market recently - after all
>the supply chain issues have sorted themselves out, it looks like prices
>reverted to what would be expected of a car of that age.
>
>If you're replacing the Passat, a <2yo MG5 is 13.4k, for example:
>https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308211048832
>
>The MG ZS can be had around the 9-12k mark.
>(the 9k example on Autotrader currently is a CatS though)

The Passat is a keeper. Low mileage and low fuel consumption. Carbon
build up a worry but it has not had the VW (cheat) conversion:-)

Changing cars at our age always a worry. The dash on my daughter's Tesla
is beyond understanding:-(

--
Tim Lamb

In article <YzFZ$wyTnH5kFwyo@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>,
Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <4vf*i1roz@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Theo
> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> writes
> >Tim Lamb <tim@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> It's a shopping trolley!
> >>
> >> My Passat does any real travelling.
> >>
> >> The intention has been to replace it with a battery job but the removal
> >> of incentives and the steep price rises rather off putting.
> >
> >Battery jobs have come down a lot on the used market recently - after all
> >the supply chain issues have sorted themselves out, it looks like prices
> >reverted to what would be expected of a car of that age.
> >
> >If you're replacing the Passat, a <2yo MG5 is 13.4k, for example:
> >https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308211048832
> >
> >The MG ZS can be had around the 9-12k mark.
> >(the 9k example on Autotrader currently is a CatS though)

> The Passat is a keeper. Low mileage and low fuel consumption. Carbon
> build up a worry but it has not had the VW (cheat) conversion:-)

> Changing cars at our age always a worry. The dash on my daughter's Tesla
> is beyond understanding:-(

I wonder how old you actually are, I bought my (new) electric Skoda at the
age of 81. No problems.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In message <uc1t4f$2baen$5@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>On 22/08/2023 09:42, Tim Lamb wrote:
>
>> Having studied the rust on the calliper holding bolts, I am nervous
>>of taking on the job anyway.
>
>Its not the rust that you can see, it's the rust that you cannot...
>
>Most bolts will break free with a 2 ft breaker bar and a good fitting
>socket.
>
>Ive never seen a caliper bolt actually shear.

I don't suppose you have attempted that on a 13 year old vehicle!

I have decided to stick with the MOT appointment. The real issue is that
a fail clashes with a planned holiday such that the MOT will have
expired before I can organise repairs.

--
Tim Lamb