I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
other possible impossibilities

Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
the day?

Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?

On 03/09/2023 10:02, Chris Holmes wrote:
> I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> other possible impossibilities
>
> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> the day?

They did it

https://www.flickr.com/photos/23875695@N06/4103460569/in/photostream/

> Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
>

Some take trailers up to 5.2m

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On 03/09/2023 10:02, Chris Holmes wrote:
> I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> other possible impossibilities
>
> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> the day?
>
> Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?

The LT is just under 14'6" high. A low bridge is one that cannot take a
vehicle of 16 feet in height, so I would expect commercial vehicle
ferries to be built to accept 16ft high vehicles too.

According to film trivia, the two buses that went to Greece had to be
sent by ship, as bridge height restrictions on the way meant that it was
impossible to drive them there.

--
Colin Bignell

On 03/09/2023 10:02, Chris Holmes wrote:
> I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> other possible impossibilities
>
> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> the day?
>
> Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
>
>

The ferries take lorries + trailers

The queue for the ferry this summer
https://e3.365dm.com/23/07/2048x1152/skynews-dover-kent_6221327.jpg?20230717152511

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Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on as deck
cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm

I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way to get tall
vehicles on ferries.
I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
Brian

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"Chris Holmes" <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> other possible impossibilities
>
> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> the day?
>
> Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
>
>

On 03/09/2023 13:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on as deck
> cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>
> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way to get tall
> vehicles on ferries.
> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
> Brian
>

The Sunday Sport had a photo of a double decker buried at the South Pole.

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On 03 Sep 2023, alan_m wrote

> On 03/09/2023 13:27, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on as
>> deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>
>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way
>> to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>> Brian
>>
>
> The Sunday Sport had a photo of a double decker buried at the
> South Pole.

Yup; I think it was the Daily Sport (not that it matters).

A list of some of the headlines, when the paper closed; fun
stuff....

(https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/a-headline-you-can-
believe-the-sport-closes-2260126.html)

World War 2 Bomber Found on Moon, 14 August 1988.

World War 2 Bomber Found on Moon Vanishes, 21 August 1988.

Bus Found Buried At South Pole, 12 February 1989.

Aliens Turned Our Son Into A Fish Finger, 1996.

Donkey Robs Bank, 14 July 1996.

Marilyn Monroe is Alive & Working as a Nanny, 26 January 1998.

Woman Gives Birth To 8lb Duck, 30 June 1990.

Statue of Elvis found on Mars, 1 October 1989.

On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 09:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris Holmes
<chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:

>I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
>other possible impossibilities
>
>Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
>the day?
>
>Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
>

The headmaster of a school that I went to in Leicester had taken a
Leicester Corporation DD bus and a load of lads to Spain before I went
there in 1960.

Chris Holmes <chrispvholmes@gmail.com> writes:

> I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> other possible impossibilities
>
> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> the day?

Back in 1970 a bunch of cavers drove a double decker bus to the
Himalaya.
Start here: http://earbypotholeclub.co.uk/?page_id=719

Or jump into the diary here on the day they crossed the Channel.
http://earbypotholeclub.co.uk/?p=797

No information about the ferry, I'm afraid. There's also a video, but I
can't find it on-line, also a book.

--
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On 03 Sep 2023 at 10:02:26 BST, "Chris Holmes" <chrispvholmes@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> other possible impossibilities
>
> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> the day?
>
> Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?

In the early 1970s, I went to a Wings concert in Lausanne, on Lake Geneva (I
was living in Geneva at the time). McCartney & Co turned up in their open-top
double-decker bus, so one assumes they got it on a ferry.

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on as deck
>cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>
>I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way to get tall
>vehicles on ferries.
> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
> Brian

London Transport sent several double deck buses to support trade
fairs. For instance https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/
I'm afraid I don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it
was possible.

In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across the
channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and off the
deck of the ferry they used. Locomotives exported from the USA end up
in countries around the world and there are pictures (sometimes of the
loading failures) as they get craned on/off cargo ships.

On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 09:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris Holmes
<chrispvholmes@gmail.com> wrote:

>I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
>other possible impossibilities
>
>Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
>the day?
>
>Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
>

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=562394728&q=top+deck+tours+to+afghanistan+1960s&tbm=isch&source=univ&fir=bOlZUY-jvL8HpM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BGJmrKdJQA-NjAM%252C6Xhht5u9YElyOM%252C_%253B-5afEuzwZofv8M%252COzENfjO1BoICeM%252C_%253BDt-WvBIM1H9fEM%252C039D01Md0zwRjM%252C_%253BOAW105fnlouNuM%252C44pYA1ww0q00FM%252C_%253B3g4vVccgLNUbrM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BE6kn8znvBEsI_M%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BqWZdt-LJz5vYgM%252CSilf6WYfzC6-8M%252C_%253BdXBjy9qw7Ooh4M%252COzENfjO1BoICeM%252C_%253BhoWL3x2naDx5wM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSDV2Vwa7K6QWZ0BRcJbItAmyg9jQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6zLaFxI-BAxVFQUEAHXSKAq0QjJkEegQIGBAC&biw=1600&bih=773&dpr=1.2
Double deckers have been known to go the "Hippie TRail" to
Afghanistan back in the day.

I came across a Routemaster in Ushuaia about 5 years ago.

On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote

> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on as
>> deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>
>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way
>> to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>> Brian
>
>
> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support trade
> fairs. For instance
> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm afraid I
> don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it was
> possible.
>
> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across the
> channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and off the
> deck of the ferry they used.

That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine had a
photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a ferry when he took
it to the continent in the early/mid 1960s.

I don't know what port it was from, but I'm fairly certain it would
have been in the north. (He was from Barnsley, studied architecture at
Leeds School of Art in the 1950s, took a job in a council architect's
office up that way, and emigrated to Canada in 1967 -- it's highly
unlikely he would have travelled through one of the southern Channel
ports.)

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Cheers,
Harvey

On 04/09/2023 08:44, HVS wrote:
> On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote
>
>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
>> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on as
>>> deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>>
>>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way
>>> to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>>> Brian
>>
>>
>> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support trade
>> fairs. For instance
>> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm afraid I
>> don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it was
>> possible.
>>
>> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across the
>> channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and off the
>> deck of the ferry they used.

Ro-Ro ferries have existed since the mid 19th century, but only for
trains. The cross-channel train ferries were used to bring vehicles and
equipment back to Britain at the end of WW1.

> That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine had a
> photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a ferry when he took
> it to the continent in the early/mid 1960s.

Ro-Ro ferries need appropriate port facilities at each end, so there had
to be a demonstrated demand to justify the expenditure.

> I don't know what port it was from, but I'm fairly certain it would
> have been in the north. (He was from Barnsley, studied architecture at
> Leeds School of Art in the 1950s, took a job in a council architect's
> office up that way, and emigrated to Canada in 1967 -- it's highly
> unlikely he would have travelled through one of the southern Channel
> ports.)
>

--
Colin Bignell

On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote

> On 04/09/2023 08:44, HVS wrote:
>> On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote
>>
>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
>>> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on
>>>> as deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>>>
>>>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way
>>>> to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>>>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support trade
>>> fairs. For instance
>>> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm afraid I
>>> don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it was
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across
>>> the channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and
>>> off the deck of the ferry they used.
>
> Ro-Ro ferries have existed since the mid 19th century, but only
> for trains. The cross-channel train ferries were used to bring
> vehicles and equipment back to Britain at the end of WW1.
>
>> That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine had a
>> photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a ferry when he
>> took it to the continent in the early/mid 1960s.
>
> Ro-Ro ferries need appropriate port facilities at each end, so
> there had to be a demonstrated demand to justify the expenditure.

That makes sense.

As for trains on ferries, in 1980 I took one of the last Night Ferry
services (which were shut down at the end of 1980), where you stayed
in your train carriage while it was shunted on and off the ferry.

It was quite a novelty to me at the time.

--
Cheers, Harvey

On 04/09/2023 09:11, HVS wrote:
> On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote
>
>> On 04/09/2023 08:44, HVS wrote:
>>> On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
>>>> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it on
>>>>> as deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a way
>>>>> to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>>>>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support trade
>>>> fairs. For instance
>>>> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm afraid I
>>>> don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it was
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across
>>>> the channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and
>>>> off the deck of the ferry they used.
>>
>> Ro-Ro ferries have existed since the mid 19th century, but only
>> for trains. The cross-channel train ferries were used to bring
>> vehicles and equipment back to Britain at the end of WW1.
>>
>>> That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine had a
>>> photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a ferry when he
>>> took it to the continent in the early/mid 1960s.
>>
>> Ro-Ro ferries need appropriate port facilities at each end, so
>> there had to be a demonstrated demand to justify the expenditure.
>
> That makes sense.

Although there is a bit of chicken and egg about it. I read that when
Dover moved to Ro-Ro operation, the number of cars they transported in a
year increased ten fold.

>
> As for trains on ferries, in 1980 I took one of the last Night Ferry
> services (which were shut down at the end of 1980), where you stayed
> in your train carriage while it was shunted on and off the ferry.
>
> It was quite a novelty to me at the time.

That is something I wished I had done.

>

--
Colin Bignell

On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote

> On 04/09/2023 09:11, HVS wrote:
>> On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote
>>
>>> On 04/09/2023 08:44, HVS wrote:
>>>> On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
>>>>> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it
>>>>>> on as deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a
>>>>>> way to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>>>>>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support
>>>>> trade fairs. For instance
>>>>> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm afraid
>>>>> I don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it was
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across
>>>>> the channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and
>>>>> off the deck of the ferry they used.
>>>
>>> Ro-Ro ferries have existed since the mid 19th century, but only
>>> for trains. The cross-channel train ferries were used to bring
>>> vehicles and equipment back to Britain at the end of WW1.
>>>
>>>> That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine had
>>>> a photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a ferry
>>>> when he took it to the continent in the early/mid 1960s.
>>>
>>> Ro-Ro ferries need appropriate port facilities at each end, so
>>> there had to be a demonstrated demand to justify the
>>> expenditure.
>>
>> That makes sense.
>
> Although there is a bit of chicken and egg about it. I read that
> when Dover moved to Ro-Ro operation, the number of cars they
> transported in a year increased ten fold.
>
>>
>> As for trains on ferries, in 1980 I took one of the last Night
>> Ferry services (which were shut down at the end of 1980), where
>> you stayed in your train carriage while it was shunted on and off
>> the ferry.
>>
>> It was quite a novelty to me at the time.
>
> That is something I wished I had done.

It was certainly a fun experience -- I recall that it would have been
impossible to sleep through the carriage-marshalling (if I'd wanted
to do that).

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 11:55:54 PM UTC+1, Graham Harrison wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 09:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris Holmes
> <chrisp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
> >other possible impossibilities
> >
> >Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
> >the day?
> >
> >Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=562394728&q=top+deck+tours+to+afghanistan+1960s&tbm=isch&source=univ&fir=bOlZUY-jvL8HpM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BGJmrKdJQA-NjAM%252C6Xhht5u9YElyOM%252C_%253B-5afEuzwZofv8M%252COzENfjO1BoICeM%252C_%253BDt-WvBIM1H9fEM%252C039D01Md0zwRjM%252C_%253BOAW105fnlouNuM%252C44pYA1ww0q00FM%252C_%253B3g4vVccgLNUbrM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BE6kn8znvBEsI_M%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BqWZdt-LJz5vYgM%252CSilf6WYfzC6-8M%252C_%253BdXBjy9qw7Ooh4M%252COzENfjO1BoICeM%252C_%253BhoWL3x2naDx5wM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSDV2Vwa7K6QWZ0BRcJbItAmyg9jQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6zLaFxI-BAxVFQUEAHXSKAq0QjJkEegQIGBAC&biw=1600&bih=773&dpr=1.2
> Double deckers have been known to go the "Hippie TRail" to
> Afghanistan back in the day.
>
> I came across a Routemaster in Ushuaia about 5 years ago.

Gosh! I haven't been that far south for about twenty years! When I was last in Ushuaia it had the look and feel of a frontier town. I suppose it's all a bit more established these days. It still ranks as one of my worst landing/takeoff experiences, mind!

Nick
nickodell49@yahoo.ca

On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 17:26:08 +0100, HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote
>
>> On 04/09/2023 09:11, HVS wrote:
>>> On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote
>>>
>>>> On 04/09/2023 08:44, HVS wrote:
>>>>> On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
>>>>>> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it
>>>>>>> on as deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a storm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a
>>>>>>> way to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>>>>>>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support
>>>>>> trade fairs. For instance
>>>>>> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm afraid
>>>>>> I don't know how they "exported" the buses but clearly it was
>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car across
>>>>>> the channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was lifted on and
>>>>>> off the deck of the ferry they used.
>>>>
>>>> Ro-Ro ferries have existed since the mid 19th century, but only
>>>> for trains. The cross-channel train ferries were used to bring
>>>> vehicles and equipment back to Britain at the end of WW1.
>>>>
>>>>> That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine had
>>>>> a photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a ferry
>>>>> when he took it to the continent in the early/mid 1960s.
>>>>
>>>> Ro-Ro ferries need appropriate port facilities at each end, so
>>>> there had to be a demonstrated demand to justify the
>>>> expenditure.
>>>
>>> That makes sense.
>>
>> Although there is a bit of chicken and egg about it. I read that
>> when Dover moved to Ro-Ro operation, the number of cars they
>> transported in a year increased ten fold.
>>
>>>
>>> As for trains on ferries, in 1980 I took one of the last Night
>>> Ferry services (which were shut down at the end of 1980), where
>>> you stayed in your train carriage while it was shunted on and off
>>> the ferry.
>>>
>>> It was quite a novelty to me at the time.
>>
>> That is something I wished I had done.
>
>It was certainly a fun experience -- I recall that it would have been
>impossible to sleep through the carriage-marshalling (if I'd wanted
>to do that).

I was on Amtrak in 2019. The westbound Empire Builder split into
Seattle and Portland portions at Spokane about 0200hrs and the
Crescent dropped the Texas Eagle coaches and San Antonio. I slept
through both occasions.

On 05 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote

> On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 17:26:08 +0100, HVS
> <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote
>>
>>> On 04/09/2023 09:11, HVS wrote:
>>>> On 04 Sep 2023, Colin Bignell wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/09/2023 08:44, HVS wrote:
>>>>>> On 03 Sep 2023, Graham Harrison wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:27:17 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
>>>>>>> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well when Dr Who wanted to take one to a desert they put it
>>>>>>>> on as deck cargo, and all the windows got smashed by a
>>>>>>>> storm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd have thought that around that time they must have had a
>>>>>>>> way to get tall vehicles on ferries.
>>>>>>>> I mean how do you get anything tall over now?
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> London Transport sent several double deck buses to support
>>>>>>> trade fairs. For instance
>>>>>>> https://www.streetcar.org/london-buses-in-sf-1952/ I'm
>>>>>>> afraid I don't know how they "exported" the buses but
>>>>>>> clearly it was possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the 1930s my father and his brothers took their car
>>>>>>> across the channel long before ro-ro ferries and it was
>>>>>>> lifted on and off the deck of the ferry they used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ro-Ro ferries have existed since the mid 19th century, but
>>>>> only for trains. The cross-channel train ferries were used to
>>>>> bring vehicles and equipment back to Britain at the end of
>>>>> WW1.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That lasted for a surprisingly long time. A friend of mine
>>>>>> had a photograph of his Mini being lifted by crane onto a
>>>>>> ferry when he took it to the continent in the early/mid
>>>>>> 1960s.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ro-Ro ferries need appropriate port facilities at each end, so
>>>>> there had to be a demonstrated demand to justify the
>>>>> expenditure.
>>>>
>>>> That makes sense.
>>>
>>> Although there is a bit of chicken and egg about it. I read that
>>> when Dover moved to Ro-Ro operation, the number of cars they
>>> transported in a year increased ten fold.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As for trains on ferries, in 1980 I took one of the last Night
>>>> Ferry services (which were shut down at the end of 1980), where
>>>> you stayed in your train carriage while it was shunted on and
>>>> off the ferry.
>>>>
>>>> It was quite a novelty to me at the time.
>>>
>>> That is something I wished I had done.
>>
>> It was certainly a fun experience -- I recall that it would have
>> been impossible to sleep through the carriage-marshalling (if I'd
>> wanted to do that).
>
>
> I was on Amtrak in 2019. The westbound Empire Builder split into
> Seattle and Portland portions at Spokane about 0200hrs and the
> Crescent dropped the Texas Eagle coaches and San Antonio. I slept
> through both occasions.

I might have slept through some of the shunting on dry land, but
recall that shunting the carriages onto the ferry and towing them
back off on the other side of the channel was a noisier and bumpier
operation than in the on-shore yards.

--
Cheers,
Harvey

On 04/09/2023 18:23, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 11:55:54 PM UTC+1, Graham Harrison wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 09:02:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris Holmes
>> <chrisp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I watched the opening of Summer Holiday the other day, leaving aside any
>>> other possible impossibilities
>>>
>>> Would it have been possible to get an LT double decker on a ferry back in
>>> the day?
>>>
>>> Would it be possible on the ROROs of today?
>>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=562394728&q=top+deck+tours+to+afghanistan+1960s&tbm=isch&source=univ&fir=bOlZUY-jvL8HpM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BGJmrKdJQA-NjAM%252C6Xhht5u9YElyOM%252C_%253B-5afEuzwZofv8M%252COzENfjO1BoICeM%252C_%253BDt-WvBIM1H9fEM%252C039D01Md0zwRjM%252C_%253BOAW105fnlouNuM%252C44pYA1ww0q00FM%252C_%253B3g4vVccgLNUbrM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BE6kn8znvBEsI_M%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_%253BqWZdt-LJz5vYgM%252CSilf6WYfzC6-8M%252C_%253BdXBjy9qw7Ooh4M%252COzENfjO1BoICeM%252C_%253BhoWL3x2naDx5wM%252CoeWp21Z6Yfo-vM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kSDV2Vwa7K6QWZ0BRcJbItAmyg9jQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6zLaFxI-BAxVFQUEAHXSKAq0QjJkEegQIGBAC&biw=1600&bih=773&dpr=1.2
>> Double deckers have been known to go the "Hippie TRail" to
>> Afghanistan back in the day.
>>
>> I came across a Routemaster in Ushuaia about 5 years ago.
>
> Gosh! I haven't been that far south for about twenty years! When I was last in Ushuaia it had the look and feel of a frontier town. I suppose it's all a bit more established these days. It still ranks as one of my worst landing/takeoff experiences, mind!
>

I'm out of touch wit the threads here, I've just been in Japan for a
fortnight.

Where I saw a Routemaster... at least I think that's the model. The old
open platform London bus.

One of only three old vehicles I saw BTW.

Andy