Ok so I've got all the bits out of the boxes and am ready to start the
set up. First pair the keyboard and mouse, err the instructions
say say update the OS Apple > Sustem Prefs > Software update,then
instructions to pair the keyboard/mouse. How do I update the OS without
a keyboard or mouse?

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On 2022-09-04, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Ok so I've got all the bits out of the boxes and am ready to start the
> set up. First pair the keyboard and mouse, err the instructions
> say say update the OS Apple > Sustem Prefs > Software update,then
> instructions to pair the keyboard/mouse. How do I update the OS without
> a keyboard or mouse?

Someone writing on MacRumurs forum has/had similar problems but it's
not clear if the problem is resolved. Were you not prompted to
connect bluetooth devices on start up?

<https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-mini-2020-setup-without-apple-mouse-keyboard.2284194/>

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Cheers, Alan

On 04/09/2022 11:58, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Ok so I've got all the bits out of the boxes and am ready to start the
> set up. First pair the keyboard and mouse, err the instructions
> say  say update the OS Apple > Sustem Prefs > Software update,then
> instructions to pair the keyboard/mouse. How do I update the OS without
> a keyboard or mouse?

Use *any* wired USB mouse at this stage!

Good luck!

On 04/09/2022 12:14, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-09-04, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Ok so I've got all the bits out of the boxes and am ready to start the
>> set up. First pair the keyboard and mouse, err the instructions
>> say say update the OS Apple > Sustem Prefs > Software update,then
>> instructions to pair the keyboard/mouse. How do I update the OS without
>> a keyboard or mouse?
>
> Someone writing on MacRumurs forum has/had similar problems but it's
> not clear if the problem is resolved. Were you not prompted to
> connect bluetooth devices on start up?
>
> <https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-mini-2020-setup-without-apple-mouse-keyboard.2284194/>
>

The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
studio display ports will do the job.

Not actually started yet as I'm just completing the back-ups of the iMac
I'm migrating from.

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In article <tf2426$37ms0$2@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
> studio display ports will do the job.

use a usb-a lightning cable.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <tf2426$37ms0$2@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>> studio display ports will do the job.
>
> use a usb-a lightning cable.

Or get suitable USB-C to A adapters? You can get them from Amazon, eBay
etc.

<https://tinyurl.com/2p9cuf9j>

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Alan B <alanrichardbarker@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <tf2426$37ms0$2@dont-email.me>, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>
>> use a usb-a lightning cable.
>
> Or get suitable USB-C to A adapters? You can get them from Amazon, eBay
> etc.
>
> <https://tinyurl.com/2p9cuf9j>

Although without a hub that would tie up your USB-A ports :(

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Cheers, Alan

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
> studio display ports will do the job.

If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?

Theo

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>> studio display ports will do the job.
>
> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>

One thunderbolt port driving the display!

Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
seamlessly. So far so good.

Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
transferred.

The question is what can I do now?

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(Using NewsTapLite on the iPad for the first time)

On 05/09/2022 16:26, GW wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>
>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
>> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>
>
> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>
> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
> display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
> seamlessly. So far so good.
>
> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
> to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
> it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
> transferred.
>
> The question is what can I do now?

Wait! 🙂

On 2022-09-05, GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>
>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
>> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>
>
> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>
> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
> display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
> seamlessly. So far so good.
>
> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
> to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
> it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
> transferred.
>
> The question is what can I do now?

Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?

--
Cheers, Alan

On 05/09/2022 16:38, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-09-05, GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>>
>>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
>>> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>>
>>
>> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>>
>> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
>> display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
>> seamlessly. So far so good.
>>
>> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
>> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
>> to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
>> it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
>> transferred.
>>
>> The question is what can I do now?
>
> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?

What else but data COULD be transferred by Migration Assistant?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24IgIZrGYkw

On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-09-05, GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>>
>>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
>>> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>>
>>
>> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>>
>> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
>> display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
>> seamlessly. So far so good.
>>
>> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
>> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
>> to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
>> it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
>> transferred.
>>
>> The question is what can I do now?
>
> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?

If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought that says "don't".
There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with M1 equivalents for
instance. You may end up having to install your apps from scratch. I guess you try again
but excluding app?

<https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-db60343d6fb4>

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Cheers, Alan

On 05/09/2022 16:38, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-09-05, GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>>
>>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
>>> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>>
>>
>> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>>
>> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
>> display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
>> seamlessly. So far so good.
>>
>> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
>> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
>> to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
>> it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
>> transferred.
>>
>> The question is what can I do now?
>
> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>

Everything. I've now reset everything and am attempting the migration
from the time Machine disc instead.

SWMBO is happy as I've derigged the temporary ethernet I had festooned
through the kitchen on its way from the router to the study.

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On 05/09/2022 16:47, Alan B wrote:
> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-09-05, GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a USB-C/Lightneing
>>>>> cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the computer -) I'massuming the
>>>>> studio display ports will do the job.
>>>>
>>>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there are
>>>> Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>>>
>>>
>>> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>>>
>>> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to the
>>> display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they paired
>>> seamlessly. So far so good.
>>>
>>> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
>>> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till it got
>>> to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on information when
>>> it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now at 480018 files
>>> transferred.
>>>
>>> The question is what can I do now?
>>
>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>
> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought that says "don't".
> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with M1 equivalents for
> instance. You may end up having to install your apps from scratch. I guess you try again
> but excluding app?
>
> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-db60343d6fb4>
>

That's something I hadn't thought of. Though he does appear to havee a
lot of odd things like custom software and emulators, development tools
and so on which I don't have to worry about.

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2022 18:41:18 +0100, Graeme Wall wrote:

> On 05/09/2022 16:47, Alan B wrote:
>> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-05, GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> The other problem is the keyboard and mouse come with a
>>>>>> USB-C/Lightneing cable each. There is no USB-C socket on the
>>>>>> computer -) I'massuming the studio display ports will do the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this is a new Mini, not a new-old one like a 2014, surely there
>>>>> are Thunderbolt/USB-C ports on the back?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> One thunderbolt port driving the display!
>>>>
>>>> Right, started up the mini with the keyboard and mouse connected to
>>>> the display via cables and, after a prompt to switch both on, they
>>>> paired seamlessly. So far so good.
>>>>
>>>> Next, I had both computers connected by Ethernet via the router and
>>>> launched migration assistant. All went well for around 20 hours till
>>>> it got to about 3/4s of the way through transferring about 1TB on
>>>> information when it stalled. It’s been stalled for around 3 hours now
>>>> at 480018 files transferred.
>>>>
>>>> The question is what can I do now?
>>>
>>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>>
>> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought
>> that says "don't".
>> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with
>> M1 equivalents for instance. You may end up having to install your apps
>> from scratch. I guess you try again but excluding app?
>>
>> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-
db60343d6fb4>
>>
>>
> That's something I hadn't thought of. Though he does appear to have a
> lot of odd things like custom software and emulators, development tools
> and so on which I don't have to worry about.

If I remember rightly, when I got my M1 Mac, I didn't migrate any
applications as I wanted to clear out unwanted stuff. Thus I installed
those I really wanted/needed from scratch, although quite a few were still
x86 apps and needed Rosetta 2 anyway!

--
Cheers, Alan

On 5 Sep 2022 at 16:47:14 BST, "Alan B"
<alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>
> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought that says "don't".
> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with M1 equivalents for
> instance. You may end up having to install your apps from scratch. I guess you try again
> but excluding app?
>
> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-db60343d6fb4>

It's not correct. I migrated my iMac Pro over to the M1 MBP, and I've
not had to manually update anything. I have a few Intel apps, mostly
games, and nothing I use regularly. All my normal set sorted themselves
out to Universal at some point.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
"Hey T-Rex! This ice cream cake is delicious!"
"Thanks! You don't think it tastes like... *philosophical compromise*?"
"Only a little!
-- http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1093

On 5 Sep 2022 18:55:14 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

> On 5 Sep 2022 at 16:47:14 BST, "Alan B"
> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>>
>> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought
>> that says "don't".
>> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with
>> M1 equivalents for instance. You may end up having to install your apps
>> from scratch. I guess you try again but excluding app?
>>
>> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-
db60343d6fb4>
>
> It's not correct. I migrated my iMac Pro over to the M1 MBP, and I've
> not had to manually update anything. I have a few Intel apps, mostly
> games, and nothing I use regularly. All my normal set sorted themselves
> out to Universal at some point.

Great! Then with a bit of luck GW should be OK. As I said, I deliberately
left out apps when I migrated nearly 2 years now - doesn't time fly ;)

--
Cheers, Alan

On 05/09/2022 19:55, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
> On 5 Sep 2022 at 16:47:14 BST, "Alan B"
> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>>
>> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought that says "don't".
>> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with M1 equivalents for
>> instance. You may end up having to install your apps from scratch. I guess you try again
>> but excluding app?
>>
>> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-db60343d6fb4>
>
> It's not correct. I migrated my iMac Pro over to the M1 MBP, and I've
> not had to manually update anything. I have a few Intel apps, mostly
> games, and nothing I use regularly. All my normal set sorted themselves
> out to Universal at some point.
>

That's useful to know, it is what I suspected. Once I've done the
migration ( projected to be the wee small hours at the moment) I will
have to check for updates. I suspect the OS will be the first to need
updating, don't, as yet, know which version it shipped with.

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On 05/09/2022 20:10, Alan B wrote:
> On 5 Sep 2022 18:55:14 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>
>> On 5 Sep 2022 at 16:47:14 BST, "Alan B"
>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>>>
>>> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of thought
>>> that says "don't".
>>> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with
>>> M1 equivalents for instance. You may end up having to install your apps
>>> from scratch. I guess you try again but excluding app?
>>>
>>> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-
> db60343d6fb4>
>>
>> It's not correct. I migrated my iMac Pro over to the M1 MBP, and I've
>> not had to manually update anything. I have a few Intel apps, mostly
>> games, and nothing I use regularly. All my normal set sorted themselves
>> out to Universal at some point.
>
> Great! Then with a bit of luck GW should be OK. As I said, I deliberately
> left out apps when I migrated nearly 2 years now - doesn't time fly ;)
>
>
:-)

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On 05/09/2022 21:19, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 05/09/2022 19:55, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
>> On 5 Sep 2022 at 16:47:14 BST, "Alan B"
>> <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-05, Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Are you just migrating data or attempting everything?
>>>
>>> If you are migrating from Intel to Silicon there's a school of
>>> thought that says "don't".
>>> There could be problems with apps as MA won't replace Intel apps with
>>> M1 equivalents for
>>> instance. You may end up having to install your apps from scratch. I
>>> guess you try again
>>> but excluding app?
>>>
>>> <https://medium.com/codex/dont-migrate-from-intel-to-apple-silicon-db60343d6fb4>
>>
>> It's not correct. I migrated my iMac Pro over to the M1 MBP, and I've
>> not had to manually update anything. I have a few Intel apps, mostly
>> games, and nothing I use regularly. All my normal set sorted themselves
>> out to Universal at some point.
>>
>
> That's useful to know, it is what I suspected. Once I've done the
> migration ( projected to be the wee small hours at the moment) I will
> have to check for updates. I suspect the OS will be the first to need
> updating, don't, as yet, know which version it shipped with.

I hope you are aware that you need to reinstall macOS Monterey BEFORE
using Migration Assistant.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mchl338cf9a8/mac

GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

> Using NewsTapLite on the iPad for the first time)

Incidentally it runs reasonably well on ‘Silicon’ Macs too if you ever want
to use an alternative news client.

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On 07/09/2022 07:14, Alan B wrote:
> GW <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Using NewsTapLite on the iPad for the first time)
>
> Incidentally it runs reasonably well on ‘Silicon’ Macs too if you ever want
> to use an alternative news client.

Someone else may tell you ..... that this may be confirmed from your
'header' information:-

Injection-Info: alanrichardbarker.eternal-september.org;
User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)

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David