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FOAK: Engine ID.

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From: me...@home.nl (geoffC)
Newsgroups: uk.rec.motorcycles
Subject: FOAK: Engine ID.
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 by: geoffC - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 12:56 UTC

https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4

Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.

--
Geoff
NTV 650

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From: bdp...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk (YTC#1)
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Subject: Re: FOAK: Engine ID.
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 by: YTC#1 - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:49 UTC

On 25/06/2022 13:56, geoffC wrote:
> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>
> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>

Well, I'd say it was a car motor.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

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From: me...@home.nl (geoffC)
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 by: geoffC - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 14:53 UTC

On 25/06/2022 16:49, YTC#1 wrote:
>On 25/06/2022 13:56, geoffC wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>>
>> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>>
>
>Well, I'd say it was a car motor.

That's a start.
--
Geoff
NTV 650

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 by: siwilson - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 15:48 UTC

On 25/06/2022 13:56, geoffC wrote:
> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>
> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>

Wild-assed guess [1]

A Tatra V8

[1] not really

--
/Simon

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From: use...@andyburns.uk (Andy Burns)
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 by: Andy Burns - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 16:20 UTC

siwilson wrote:

> geoffC wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>
> Wild-assed guess [1]
> A Tatra V8
> [1] not really

Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.

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From: me...@home.nl (geoffC)
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Subject: Re: FOAK: Engine ID.
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 by: geoffC - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:11 UTC

On 25/06/2022 17:48, siwilson wrote:
>On 25/06/2022 13:56, geoffC wrote:
>> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>>
>> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>>
>
>
>Wild-assed guess [1]
>
>A Tatra V8
>
>[1] not really

Yes, I tried googling the name, no luck.
You can see 4 sparkplugs but it sound like more.
The general clatter sounds a bit air cooled.
That narrows it down a bit.
The original application was rear engined so it would make a nice trike
power unit. (Of which there are already some)

--
Geoff
NTV 650

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From: xsu...@xmail.com (Turby)
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Subject: Re: FOAK: Engine ID.
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 by: Turby - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 18:08 UTC

On 6/25/2022 9:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> siwilson wrote:
>
>> geoffC wrote:
>>
>>> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>>> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>>
>> Wild-assed guess [1]
>> A Tatra V8
>> [1] not really

+1
>
> Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger
> II tank.
>

Or the other comments that say it's a Tatra? (Made in Czech.)

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

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From: me...@home.nl (GeoffC)
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Subject: Re: FOAK: Engine ID.
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 by: GeoffC - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 19:14 UTC

Turby wrote:

> On 6/25/2022 9:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> > siwilson wrote:
> >
> > > geoffC wrote:
> > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
> > > > Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
> > >
> > > Wild-assed guess [1]
> > > A Tatra V8
> > > [1] not really
>
> +1
> >
> > Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a
> > Tiger II tank.
> >
>
> Or the other comments that say it's a Tatra? (Made in Czech.)

Indeed :-)

--
Geoff
NTV 650

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 by: siwilson - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 20:04 UTC

On 25/06/2022 18:11, geoffC wrote:
> On 25/06/2022 17:48, siwilson wrote:
>> On 25/06/2022 13:56, geoffC wrote:
>>> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>>>
>>> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wild-assed guess [1]
>>
>> A Tatra V8
>>
>> [1] not really
>
> Yes, I tried googling the name, no luck.

Huh? I got a lot of hits.

> You can see 4 sparkplugs but it sound like more.
> The general clatter sounds a bit air cooled.
> That narrows it down a bit.
> The original application was rear engined so it would make a nice trike
> power unit. (Of which there are already some)
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4_JJYqFMc

--
/Simon

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 by: geoffC - Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:25 UTC

On 25/06/2022 22:04, siwilson wrote:
>On 25/06/2022 18:11, geoffC wrote:
>> On 25/06/2022 17:48, siwilson wrote:
>>> On 25/06/2022 13:56, geoffC wrote:
>>>> https://youtu.be/J0SjDvxdIa4
>>>>
>>>> Recognise the engine? Sounds nice.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wild-assed guess [1]
>>>
>>> A Tatra V8
>>>
>>> [1] not really
>>
>> Yes, I tried googling the name, no luck.
>
>Huh? I got a lot of hits.
>
>
For Wehrmacht? Yeah plenty :-)

--
Geoff
NTV 650

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 by: Champ - Sun, 26 Jun 2022 05:51 UTC

On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:20:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.

Just look at it. It's definitely a V8, not a V12

--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Champ - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 11:35 UTC

On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:51:17 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:20:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.

>Just look at it. It's definitely a V8, not a V12

and not a diesel, either (and therefore not from a tank), looking at
the very obvious HT leads
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: Ace - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 11:50 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:35:07 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:51:17 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:20:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.
>
>>Just look at it. It's definitely a V8, not a V12
>
>and not a diesel, either (and therefore not from a tank), looking at
>the very obvious HT leads

A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

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 by: Ace - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:18 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:50:02 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:35:07 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:51:17 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:20:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.
>>
>>>Just look at it. It's definitely a V8, not a V12
>>
>>and not a diesel, either (and therefore not from a tank), looking at
>>the very obvious HT leads
>
>A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
>ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.

Anyway, it's pbviously far too small for a tank engine anyway. A
little googling confirms other earlier claims - it's a 2.9l V8 out of
the Tatra T87 car. See third picture here:
https://petrolicious.com/articles/the-tatra-t87-was-a-ground-moving-zeppelin
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

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 by: Ace - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:20 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:50:02 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:35:07 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:51:17 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:20:30 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.
>>
>>>Just look at it. It's definitely a V8, not a V12
>>
>>and not a diesel, either (and therefore not from a tank), looking at
>>the very obvious HT leads
>
>A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
>ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.

Anyway, it's obviously far too small for a tank engine. A
little googling[1] confirms other earlier claims - it's a 2.9l V8 out
of
the Tatra T87 car. See third picture here:
https://petrolicious.com/articles/the-tatra-t87-was-a-ground-moving-zeppelin

I don't actually use google, ddg does it for me, but it doesn't work
as a verb in quite the same way.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

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 by: Champ - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:26 UTC

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:20:02 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>>>>Good job you didn't read the comments that said it's a V12 from a Tiger II tank.
>>>
>>>>Just look at it. It's definitely a V8, not a V12

>>>and not a diesel, either (and therefore not from a tank), looking at
>>>the very obvious HT leads

>>A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
>>ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.

Really? Oh! Everyday's a school day

>Anyway, it's obviously far too small for a tank engine. A
>little googling[1] confirms other earlier claims - it's a 2.9l V8 out
>of
>the Tatra T87 car. See third picture here:
>https://petrolicious.com/articles/the-tatra-t87-was-a-ground-moving-zeppelin

>[1] I don't actually use google, ddg does it for me, but it doesn't work
>as a verb in quite the same way.

I use duckduckgo too, but you're right, the verb is just 'google'
nowadays
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

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 by: WUN - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:37 UTC

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 3:26:34 PM UTC+1, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:20:02 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:

> >>A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
> >>ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.
> Really? Oh! Everyday's a school day

Indeed. The Rolls-Royce Meteor tank engine was based on the Merlin
aero-engine. I knew a bloke in Sweden who owned one.

--
WUN

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 by: GeoffC - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 19:26 UTC

Ace wrote:

>
> A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
> ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.

Before turbos arrived, diesels were big heavy and much less powerful
than petrol engines. The Russians used diesels because they had
problems refining enough petrol apparently. TIL that a lot of German
WW2 vehicles used gas generators fueled by coal or even wood, which
wouldn't work with a diesel. It is also handy if all your vehicles,
planes, tanks,lorries,cars and motorcycles can all use the same fuel.

--
Geoff
NTV 650

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 by: ajh - Mon, 27 Jun 2022 22:52 UTC

On 27/06/2022 15:37, WUN wrote:
> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 3:26:34 PM UTC+1, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:20:02 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
>
>>>> A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
>>>> ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.
>> Really? Oh! Everyday's a school day
>
> Indeed. The Rolls-Royce Meteor tank engine was based on the Merlin
> aero-engine. I knew a bloke in Sweden who owned one.
>
....and many Shermans supplied to UK forces had a chrysler petrol engine
which was rapidly cobbled together from 5 inline six engines sitting in
pairs with one on top I think. Some were also fitted with 9 cylinder
radial aero engines.

American forces tended to use diesel ones

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:52:32 +0100, ajh <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 27/06/2022 15:37, WUN wrote:
>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 3:26:34 PM UTC+1, Champ wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:20:02 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
>>>>> ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.
>>> Really? Oh! Everyday's a school day
>>
>> Indeed. The Rolls-Royce Meteor tank engine was based on the Merlin
>> aero-engine. I knew a bloke in Sweden who owned one.
>>
>...and many Shermans supplied to UK forces had a chrysler petrol engine
>which was rapidly cobbled together from 5 inline six engines sitting in
>pairs with one on top I think. Some were also fitted with 9 cylinder
>radial aero engines.

Hence "Tommy Cooker" when they caught fire, which they did rather too
readily, I believe.

--

-Pip

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 by: ajh - Tue, 28 Jun 2022 18:10 UTC

On 28/06/2022 18:23, Pipl wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 23:52:32 +0100, ajh <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 27/06/2022 15:37, WUN wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 3:26:34 PM UTC+1, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:20:02 +0200, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> A lot of WW2 era tanks used petrol engines, particularly the German
>>>>>> ones, whi didn't have any suitable Diesel engines at the time.
>>>> Really? Oh! Everyday's a school day
>>>
>>> Indeed. The Rolls-Royce Meteor tank engine was based on the Merlin
>>> aero-engine. I knew a bloke in Sweden who owned one.
>>>
>> ...and many Shermans supplied to UK forces had a chrysler petrol engine
>> which was rapidly cobbled together from 5 inline six engines sitting in
>> pairs with one on top I think. Some were also fitted with 9 cylinder
>> radial aero engines.
>
> Hence "Tommy Cooker" when they caught fire, which they did rather too
> readily, I believe.
>
Yes apparently but the main reason they went up was the ammunition the
was stored dry, later it was kept wet. I imagine that the british mainly
had medium tanks in North Africa because of shipping difficulties so
less armour to protect them from anti tank guns.

The same was true of much post D day as it was sheer numbers of tanks in
support of the infantry that counted.


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