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Re: Improvisations on the meaning of "Freedom".

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 by: petzl - Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:36 UTC

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 6:11:18 PM UTC+11, Fran wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 1:08 pm, *Ördög* wrote:
> > It was written by Fran:
> >
> >> Oleg Smirnov
>
> > Read more HERE:
> > <https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/08/americas/canada-trucker-protests-covid-tuesday/index.html>
> Yes, I'd heard something along those lines of where financial backing
> was coming from.
>
COMMUNISM IS BUILT OFF OF LIES AND CENSORSHIP.
FREEDOM IS BUILT OFF OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

https://ibb.co/7SvV8XK
--
Petzl
Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

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Subject: Re: Improvisations on the meaning of "Freedom".
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 by: Ördög, the real De - Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:33 UTC

Petz

_Note: some snipped context restored._

*Oleg Smirnov*
In a political context, 'freedom' became a well-worn word within
liberal thoughts, and in the [North] American use, Liberals are more
associated with Leftists.

In more original meaning, liberty connotes more like "freedom from
[despotic] restrictions", and the supporters of the "freedom convoy"
seek to claim their protest is against unreasonable restrictions.

*Fran*
Hmmmmmm.  From observation, I strongly suspect thaat the word
'freedom' in a political context is much more used by raging hard
right/neo fascists than lefties.  eg the freedom convoy in Canada.

The 'freedom' convoys/marches are full of fruitcakes, loons and strange
bed fellows with disparate aims and goals. I've yet to see any claims
out of the various convoys/marches that make sense in mainstream
society.

*Ördög*
Yes rabid rightard loons love to flock to this kind of events. But!
These "freedom convoys" are financially supported, organised and
effectively run by employer groups and mega rich hard right donors from
the US.
*Exposing The Motivations Behind Canada’s Trucker Protest*
/The Young Turks/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHvew2fTEN0&ab_channel=TheYoungTurks>

Read more HERE:
<https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/08/americas/canada-trucker-protests-
covid-tuesday/index.html>

Fran:
Yes, I'd heard something along those lines of where financial backing
was coming from.
~~~~~~~

> COMMUNISM IS BUILT OFF OF LIES AND CENSORSHIP.
> FREEDOM IS BUILT OFF OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE.

Thank you Petz for shouting your input all in caps.
I love when you prove my points so eloquently.
( GoonCon4 ?)

Namely you have shown how the hard /alt-right monopolises certain words
and then weaponize them as part of their propaganda.

*************************
Let me just deconstruct what you have asserted:

Communism is built on a sociopolitical/econopolitical theory.
The operative word here is *theory* as communism in modern times have
never been implemented anywhere even though the intention of doing so
have been put on banners in many parts of the planet in the 19th and 20th
centuries. Nobody lied about it except those of the capitalist right
alleging that communism was/still is a threatening reality, and those on
the left who pretended to be communists yet all they have ever done was
to create authoritarian transitional systems of governments bogged down
in varying degrees of state capitalism and personal cult dictatorships.

Communism has nothing to do with censorship. Implementing
authoritarianism has everything to do with it.
See:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHzM1gXaiVo>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0f0VGK9J1E&t=128s>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHlnwQ2Zj0A>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOPh0hG5xWo>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz1p3MahNgs>

Freedom as a concept does not necessarily need truth nor justice,
specially not if one is located on the far-right side of the political
spectrum.
After all, truth and justice is not required in a dog eat dog free for
all dystopia the likes of which conservative capitalist libertarians
dream of as their preferred way of living.
But any form social democracy, socialism nor communism could ever be
properly implemented without transparency, truth and justice.

Now as we here all know in this newsgroup from your previous posts, Petz
dear, you are an alt-right fascism and theocracy supporter propaganda
drone, a virtual neo-Nazi.
So a sermon coming from you on truth, justice and freedom is just a major
step beyond anything tolerable for any rational/sane people.

~~~
Idiot sig busting:

> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
> the creed of ignorance,and the gospel of envy,
> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Nice, but where have you plagiarised this beauty from?

So:
Lets go slowly (not to overtax your few remaining brain cells'
facts computing capacities:

Firstly you have lifted that quote attributed the Churchill from a
Facebook post.
Here is the discussion about its authenticity:
<https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-winston-churchill-say-socialism-is-
the-philosophy-of-failure/>

Now lets look at its content:

Starting with "socialism is ...".
Which version of socialism does this referring to.
Only hard capitalist wankers and rusted on monarchists like Churchill
would treat the econopolitical philosophy of socialism as some sort of
monolith.
In fact, if one is willing to look more close the New Testament itself is
intertwined with the concepts socialism.

Next to: "failure". Do you consider countries like Sweden, Norway,
Finland or Germany a failure. These countries have implemented social
democratic policies over the years with great success. While at the same
time wild capitalist shit holes like the UK and US only succeeded
creating a horribly divided society with millions and millions living
under or near the absolute poverty line while their tiny billionaire
class is taking joyrides into suborbital space as the only remaining
means to burn some extra cash they can't possible dispose of in any
useful manner.

That takes us to "creed of ignorance": Apparently so far only socialists
are the ones who are loudly refusing to ignore the social toll such
damning capitalist inequity takes on the social fabric of such countries
where lives are ruined and destroyed by poor healthcare, by lack of even
the most basic requirements for living a modest lifestyle, by total
hopelessness and inability to break the cycles of poverty generation
after generation.

Yes...that gospel of envy. Why aren't these subhuman scumbags feel happy
to see the top 10% of society own roughly 80% of everything while
dominating every aspects of political and cultural life on the planet.
How dare they suggest that instead of creating more/even wealthier
billionaires we could create better public transport, better healthcare,
better and cheaper education for all, better public infrastructure and
amenities, better and more jobs not just for a select few!
Really! What a horrid *envy*!

Yep...in truth the bottom half of society everywhere on the planet
already sharing "equal misery", and that has nothing to do with socialism.
Another 40% manages to make ends meat so they keep their mouths shut
hoping for escaping from joining the bottom half. In the meanwhile the
top ten percent live in the their alternate reality exclusive private
heavens caring fuck all about everyone else below them on the food chain.

I recon socialism in most of its version could NOT possible create
something more bizarre.
~~

--
Ördög - 👹️ - your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark.......
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables:

- idiots like Petz and his bunch of home grown OZ crazies

- All LNP propaganda drones like assorted LJH family of
sock- and meat-puppets for instance that gutter trash quality
scumbag nymshifter creep Alvey, Mag00, Jonz, Rex Libris,
Henry Briggs, Louie braindeath, James somethin',
Birdies mounting Johnny, Kosmo, West of sanity,
plus all those stolen nyms, etc, etc, etc ...

- All septic trash trolls from that never been great US of A,
specially including Petz's current septic boyfriends.

- and randomly blown-in Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>


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