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* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
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 || `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
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  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
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    `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
     +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
     +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
     |`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
     `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
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      ||  |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Richard Robinson
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      ||  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Mike Fleming
      |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
      +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Tease'n'Seize
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Re: Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.

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On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?

Yes. two (different) metal plates dipped in dil. HCl (other acids are
available) copper and zinc produce 1·5 volts.

The zinc plate are eventually eaten away and the acid depleted.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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On 14/05/2022 10:00, Peter wrote:
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in news:t5npe1$qdd$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>> Brian
>
> Yes, but it won't hold its charge as well. It's the lead sulphate/lead metal
> equilibrium that stores the energy in a lead acid battery.

That's an 'accumulator', not a battery, and produces its own potential
difference.

No reaction takes place (theoretically) until the plates are connected
through a conductor/load.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?

See Leclanché cell.

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Rusty Hinge
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On 14/05/2022 10:02, Peter wrote:
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> news:t5npnp$v1t$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Wow, what is number 1 then?
>> douse yourself in it I suppose.
>> Ammonia is not very nice stuff either. We used to use a technical
>> drawing
>> copy machine that used it. Even with extractors a visit to the
>> department nearly always cleared your nasal passages, I can tell you.
>
> You should try ammonium sulphide. On second thoughts, don't.

Not always chlorine-based chemicals.

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Rusty Hinge
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 by: Peter - Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22 UTC

RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in
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> On 14/05/2022 10:00, Peter wrote:
>> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:t5npe1$qdd$1 @dont-email.me:
>>
>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>> Brian
>>
>> Yes, but it won't hold its charge as well. It's the lead
>> sulphate/lead metal equilibrium that stores the energy in a lead acid
>> battery.
>
> That's an 'accumulator', not a battery

It's a large rechargeable battery (which is one of the definitions of
'accumulator' in the OED).

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Peter
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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sat, 14 May 2022 11:56 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:41:01 +0100
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

>
> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>
> > So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>
> Yes. two (different) metal plates dipped in dil. HCl (other acids are
> available) copper and zinc produce 1·5 volts.
>
> The zinc plate are eventually eaten away and the acid depleted.
>

Schoolboy experiment: IIRC copper strip & nail dangling in a CuSO4 solution with battery connected to them to try to copperplate the nail - never really jbexed.

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 by: John Williamson - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:17 UTC

On 14/05/2022 11:41, RustyHinge wrote:
>
> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>
>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>
> Yes. two (different) metal plates dipped in dil. HCl (other acids are
> available) copper and zinc produce 1·5 volts.
>
> The zinc plate are eventually eaten away and the acid depleted.
>
Early cheap primary cells, zinc case, carbon rod up the middle and a
paste containing hydrochloric acid in the middle. When flat, the HCl ate
through the casing, and carried on until it ran out of circuit board
strips to eat...

"Leakproof" (In name only) batteries were a very useful invention.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:07 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:

> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in
> news:t5o19k$5ao$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 14/05/2022 10:00, Peter wrote:
> >> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> >> news:t5npe1$qdd$1 @dont-email.me:
> >>
> >>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
> >>> Brian
> >>
> >> Yes, but it won't hold its charge as well. It's the lead
> >> sulphate/lead metal equilibrium that stores the energy in a lead acid
> >> battery.
> >
> > That's an 'accumulator', not a battery
>
> It's a large rechargeable battery (which is one of the definitions of
> 'accumulator' in the OED).

If we're going to be picky it's a battery if it consists of several
cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.

--
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:07 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 12:56:04 +0100
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> Schoolboy experiment: IIRC copper strip & nail dangling in a CuSO4
> solution with battery connected to them to try to copperplate the nail -
> never really jbexed.

It jbexed IME but nothing like as well as plating the bottom of a
test tube with silver precipitated out of Tollens' solution.

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 by: Bernard Peek - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:31 UTC

To chlorinate a pool you add a chemical that reacts with water to generate
chlorine. Ordinary bleach (sodium hypochlorite) will do that but ISTR that
these days they use something more expensive. Bleach is quite alkaline and
releases its chloine slowly in water. If you neutralise the alkali by
mixing it with an acid it will release all of its chlorine at once.

The canonical weekkiller for making explosives is sodium perchlorate.

On 2022-05-14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> So how do they get Chlorine into swimming pools and water generally then?
> No I don't go for making explosives, stable or otherwise, you can get
> arrested for that. I do remember some 6th formers managed to blow several
> windows out of the chemistry lab doing something with weed killer, in their
> lunch break. Oh dear.
> Brian

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bap@shrdlu.com

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 by: maus - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:52 UTC

On 2022-05-14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> So how do they get Chlorine into swimming pools and water generally then?
> No I don't go for making explosives, stable or otherwise, you can get
> arrested for that. I do remember some 6th formers managed to blow several
> windows out of the chemistry lab doing something with weed killer, in their
> lunch break. Oh dear.
> Brian
>

I remember that stuff, but forget the name, I mixed it up, and when
nothing was happening, left in on a sheet tin down the garden. During
the night, my brother was woken up by the sound of it going on quick
fire.

Something else I saw today,, which would cause one to worry,

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Genital%20Combustion

(I hope this is a jape)

--
greymausg@mail.com
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 by: maus - Sat, 14 May 2022 13:59 UTC

On 2022-05-14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes health and safety. Nobody warned me that fast charging the lawnmower
> battery would send a fine mist of acid into the air and burn tiny holes in
> the bottom of my trousers.. ahem.
> Brian
>

A basic mechanics lesson which they don't tell to amateurs. Another is
inflating a loose truck tyre without using a cage,

--
greymausg@mail.com
Ten, twenty million losses, tops

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 by: maus - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06 UTC

On 2022-05-14, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <je98moFnt6sU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
><johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 09:48:22 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>> Brian
>>>
>>It has been tried, but " Many attempts have been made to use this acid
>>in batteries, but the volatile nature of the acid causes the production
>>of so much odour with corrosive fumes that it has never come into use."
>>
>>The corrosive fumes include chlorine, which is not nice and has been
>>used as a war gas in the past. When using sulphuric acid, the acid stays
>>stable, and the only emissions are hydrogen and oxygen.
>>
> Bang, conveniently produced in the ideal ratio, in a confined place.
> Just check charging progress with a burning candle.

You cannot be serious!. Children may read that and try it. When I was
young, there was an english published magazine with a title including
the words `Hobbies'. It was full of life-endangering advice.

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 by: maus - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:10 UTC

On 2022-05-14, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 11:41, RustyHinge wrote:
>>
>> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>
>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>
>> Yes. two (different) metal plates dipped in dil. HCl (other acids are
>> available) copper and zinc produce 1·5 volts.
>>
>> The zinc plate are eventually eaten away and the acid depleted.
>>
> Early cheap primary cells, zinc case, carbon rod up the middle and a
> paste containing hydrochloric acid in the middle. When flat, the HCl ate
> through the casing, and carried on until it ran out of circuit board
> strips to eat...

The carbon rods were great for drawing on walls.. My brother, who was
good at that, did a few sketches that still exist.

> "Leakproof" (In name only) batteries were a very useful invention.
>

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 by: maus - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:17 UTC

On 2022-05-14, Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
> news:t5npnp$v1t$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Wow, what is number 1 then?
>> douse yourself in it I suppose.
>> Ammonia is not very nice stuff either. We used to use a technical
>> drawing
>> copy machine that used it. Even with extractors a visit to the
>> department nearly always cleared your nasal passages, I can tell you.
>
> You should try ammonium sulphide. On second thoughts, don't.
>

In the search to bring down expenses, US farmers, I am told, have
machines that will inject some sort of ammonia straight into the soil.
The stoff is stored in tanks, well away from human habitation, and kept
very cold. Again, I am told, that city kids playing hide and seek try to
hide in Ammonia stores, and are frozen like popsicles when found.

greymausg@mail.com
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sat, 14 May 2022 16:12 UTC

In article <slrnt7vdqq.9ep.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Sat, 14 May 2022 at 14:06:18 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-05-14, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> In article <je98moFnt6sU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
>><johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 09:48:22 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>It has been tried, but " Many attempts have been made to use this acid
>>>in batteries, but the volatile nature of the acid causes the production
>>>of so much odour with corrosive fumes that it has never come into use."
>>>
>>>The corrosive fumes include chlorine, which is not nice and has been
>>>used as a war gas in the past. When using sulphuric acid, the acid stays
>>>stable, and the only emissions are hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>
>> Bang, conveniently produced in the ideal ratio, in a confined place.
>> Just check charging progress with a burning candle.
>
>You cannot be serious!. Children may read that and try it. When I was
>young, there was an english published magazine with a title including
>the words `Hobbies'. It was full of life-endangering advice.
>
A serious warning was intended. Lead/Acid batteries should always be
charged in a well ventilated space.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sat, 14 May 2022 16:34 UTC

In article <20220514064514.aa53feb10d090599987c2346@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 06:45:14 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Fri, 13 May 2022 23:37:55 +0100
>RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 13/05/2022 17:30, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> > On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:19:12 -0000 (UTC)
>> > Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The drain cleaner I use is concenetrated sulphuric acid. Effective but
>> >> dangerous - makes a nice whoomph when you put it into water.
>> >
>> > Makes an even more spectacular (and dangerous) one if you put
>> > water into it.
>> >
>> > No. 27 on the "Things not to do with strong acids" list.
>>
>>
>> Or conc. nitric and glycerine...
>
> Nah that's fine and dandy if you've a steady hand, just walk softly
>and don't step on the loose floorboard on your way out and we'll get a
>student in to test it.
>
You forgot to add ; add very, very slowly, actively keep it cool, check
the temperature very regularly and stay awake. Alfred Nobel had his
operatives work in pairs, to keep an eye on each other and they were sat
on one legged stools (not very stable, the stools I mean).

Despite precautions large explosions were too common for comfort.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sat, 14 May 2022 16:48 UTC

In article <20220514105036.4701b48a1bb8bf43586ba7e8@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 10:50:36 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 14 May 2022 09:37:07 +0100
>"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Wow, what is number 1 then?
>
>Drink it.
>
That is the trouble with Brian's top posting, context is lost. If he
lost his signature, then the context would not be lost. Many news
readers when processing a reply lose everything from the signature block
downwards.

I presume the context is something to do with what chemists should not
do, which was number 27.

Rant over.

Back to number 1.

A number of artificial sweeteners were discovered when a chemist tasted
the product of a reaction.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sat, 14 May 2022 16:53 UTC

In article <slrnt7vd0k.9ep.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Sat, 14 May 2022 at 13:52:20 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-05-14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> So how do they get Chlorine into swimming pools and water generally then?
>> No I don't go for making explosives, stable or otherwise, you can get
>> arrested for that. I do remember some 6th formers managed to blow several
>> windows out of the chemistry lab doing something with weed killer, in their
>> lunch break. Oh dear.
>> Brian
>>
>
>I remember that stuff, but forget the name, I mixed it up, and when
>nothing was happening, left in on a sheet tin down the garden. During
>the night, my brother was woken up by the sound of it going on quick
>fire.
>
>
>Something else I saw today,, which would cause one to worry,
>
>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Genital%20Combustion
>
>(I hope this is a jape)
>
Maybe it is a mistranslation somewhere along the line. Genital
irritation is often described as burning. Genital burning translated
from English to another language and back could lead to genital
combustion, perhaps.

I have crossed my legs anyway, after pouring cold water over said
genitals.
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:23 UTC

On 14 May 2022 13:52:20 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> Something else I saw today,, which would cause one to worry,
>
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Genital%20Combustion
>
> (I hope this is a jape)

I'm sure it is, things that are 70% water (ie. people) very rarely
combust without a great deal of heat, alkali metals or exotic chemicals (eg
FOOF) being applied. It's somewhat easier to make them explode.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:53:48 +0100
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> I have crossed my legs anyway, after pouring cold water over said
> genitals.

While listening to Arthur Brown ?

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:38 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:34:30 +0100
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20220514064514.aa53feb10d090599987c2346@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 06:45:14 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Fri, 13 May 2022 23:37:55 +0100
> >RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13/05/2022 17:30, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> >> > On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:19:12 -0000 (UTC)
> >> > Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The drain cleaner I use is concenetrated sulphuric acid. Effective
> >> >> but dangerous - makes a nice whoomph when you put it into water.
> >> >
> >> > Makes an even more spectacular (and dangerous) one if you put
> >> > water into it.
> >> >
> >> > No. 27 on the "Things not to do with strong acids" list.
> >>
> >>
> >> Or conc. nitric and glycerine...
> >
> > Nah that's fine and dandy if you've a steady hand, just walk
> > softly
> >and don't step on the loose floorboard on your way out and we'll get a
> >student in to test it.
> >
> You forgot to add ; add very, very slowly, actively keep it cool, check

Well if it's me doing it I'd be thinking in terms of remote control
in a very carefully designed lab - and yes temperature controlled reaction
vessels would figure into the design along with micro-dosing peristaltic
pumps and some very *very* smooth transport systems.

But if idiots want to autodarwinate it's best not to let them get
good enough to make large explosions.

> Despite precautions large explosions were too common for comfort.

That's why I'd use a remote control lab.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:49 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:48:08 +0100
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20220514105036.4701b48a1bb8bf43586ba7e8@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 10:50:36 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Sat, 14 May 2022 09:37:07 +0100
> >"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Wow, what is number 1 then?
> >
> >Drink it.
> >
> That is the trouble with Brian's top posting, context is lost. If he

Indeed - the context was number 27 in the list of things not to do
with strong acids.
2 Use for colonic irrigation
3 Stir with finger.

> A number of artificial sweeteners were discovered when a chemist tasted
> the product of a reaction.

Oh indeed, and I (along with the rest of the class) have
deliberately tasted an ester I've made myself - essence of pear drops! We
used new glassware for that experiment.

OTOH I have also (once) tasted two molar sulphuric acid courtesy of
a mistake (the only one) with an open pipette (I hated those rubber bulbs
and only used them for really dangerous things) - essence of acid drops
squared!

It was then that I discovered the wisdom of keeping the box of new
beakers next to the distilled water - my only thought was rinsing the stuff
out of my mouth with distilled water when I grabbed a beaker from the box.

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 by: John Williamson - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:22 UTC

On 14/05/2022 17:48, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> A number of artificial sweeteners were discovered when a chemist tasted
> the product of a reaction.
>
One of, if not *the* first artificial sweetener was lead acetate, used
by the Romans to make their wine sweeter, They also used to make wine in
lead pots for the same reason. The acetic acid (vinegar) made during the
brewing process reacted with the lead.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:14 UTC

In article <20220514182537.aa32087b0ec8cdddb319e8cf@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 18:25:37 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:53:48 +0100
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> I have crossed my legs anyway, after pouring cold water over said
>> genitals.
>
> While listening to Arthur Brown ?
>
No, while drinking Arfur Pint (or more).
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