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* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
 +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
 +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
 |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
 ||+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
 || +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
 || |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
 || ||+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
 || ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || || +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
 || || `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 || ||  `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Bernard Peek
 || |`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Sam Plusnet
 || +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
 || |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 || | `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
 || |  +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
 || |  |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Sam Plusnet
 || |  | +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
 || |  | `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || |  |  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
 || |  |   +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nick Odell
 || |  |   |+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || |  |   |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Sam Plusnet
 || |  |   ||+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
 || |  |   |||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || |  |   ||| `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
 || |  |   |||  `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || |  |   ||+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Tease'n'Seize
 || |  |   ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Bernard Peek
 || |  |   || `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || |  |   |`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
 || |  |   +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || |  |   `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Tease'n'Seize
 || |  `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 || +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 || |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Kerr-Mudd, John
 || ||+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
 || |||`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Bernard Peek
 || ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 || || `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Kerr-Mudd, John
 || |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
 || | `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 || `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Mike Fleming
 ||+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
 |||`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
 ||`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
 |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
 | `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
 |  `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
 `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
  +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
  |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
  ||+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
  |||+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
  |||+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Bernard Peek
  |||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
  ||| +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
  ||| |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
  ||| | `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
  ||| +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
  ||| `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
  |||  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
  |||   `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
  ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
  || +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
  || `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Bernard Peek
  ||  `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Sam Plusnet
  |`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
   +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
   |+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
   |`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
   `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
    `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
     +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
     +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
     |`- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
     `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
      +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
      |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
      ||+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
      ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)
      || `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
      ||  +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
      ||  +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.RustyHinge
      ||  |+- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Peter
      ||  |+* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Richard Robinson
      ||  ||`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Sam Plusnet
      ||  || `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Richard Robinson
      ||  |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.crn
      ||  | `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
      ||  |  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nicholas D. Richards
      ||  |   `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.maus
      ||  |    `- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Brian D
      ||  +- Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Nick Odell
      ||  +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Ahem A Rivet's Shot
      ||  |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Tone
      ||  `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Mike Fleming
      |`* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.John Williamson
      +* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Tease'n'Seize
      `* Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.Bernard Peek

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Re: Beware, patio cleaning in progress, hold your noses.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sat, 14 May 2022 18:35 UTC

In article <jeaac3Fb6U1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson <johnwillia
mson@btinternet.com> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 19:22:59 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 14/05/2022 17:48, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> A number of artificial sweeteners were discovered when a chemist tasted
>> the product of a reaction.
>>
>One of, if not *the* first artificial sweetener was lead acetate, used
>by the Romans to make their wine sweeter, They also used to make wine in
>lead pots for the same reason. The acetic acid (vinegar) made during the
>brewing process reacted with the lead.
>
Indeed, I misremember a program on the BBC wibble about illnesses
affecting 17th and 18th Century labourers in that the Zomerset. They
were paid partly in cider while they worked. The pipe work on the cider
presses and fermentation process were sealed with a lead solder.

I was brought up in a soft water area and the pipes in the house were
all lead. So my brother, sister and myself probably are carrying a lead
load. People who lived in hard water areas with lead pipes were better
protected, the scale prevents lead leaching into the water, or so I am
told.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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On 2022-05-14, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <20220514105036.4701b48a1bb8bf43586ba7e8@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 10:50:36 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 09:37:07 +0100
>>"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, what is number 1 then?
>>
>>Drink it.
>>
> That is the trouble with Brian's top posting, context is lost. If he
> lost his signature, then the context would not be lost. Many news
> readers when processing a reply lose everything from the signature block
> downwards.
>
> I presume the context is something to do with what chemists should not
> do, which was number 27.
>
> Rant over.
>
> Back to number 1.
>
> A number of artificial sweeteners were discovered when a chemist tasted
> the product of a reaction.

I remember licking my hand after working with sulphuric acid. Kinda
sweet.

--
greymausg@mail.com
Ten, twenty million losses, tops

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:39 UTC

On 14/05/2022 15:06, maus wrote:
> On 2022-05-14, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> In article <je98moFnt6sU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
>> <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 09:48:22 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>> It has been tried, but " Many attempts have been made to use this acid
>>> in batteries, but the volatile nature of the acid causes the production
>>> of so much odour with corrosive fumes that it has never come into use."
>>>
>>> The corrosive fumes include chlorine, which is not nice and has been
>>> used as a war gas in the past. When using sulphuric acid, the acid stays
>>> stable, and the only emissions are hydrogen and oxygen.
>>>
>> Bang, conveniently produced in the ideal ratio, in a confined place.
>> Just check charging progress with a burning candle.
>
> You cannot be serious!. Children may read that and try it. When I was
> young, there was an english published magazine with a title including
> the words `Hobbies'. It was full of life-endangering advice.

I had a book called 'How It Works And How It's Done'. I *think* it was
in this slim volume that I learned how to make nitroglycerine and maybe
gun cotton.

As a seeker after bigger and better *BNAG!*s I noted and read more. I'm
still here.

True, I was at a good grammar school studying chemistry amongst other
things, so as a sensible being, I was unlikely to blow myself up.

You can read into that what you will...

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:45 UTC

On 14/05/2022 12:22, Peter wrote:
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in
> news:t5o19k$5ao$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 10:00, Peter wrote:
>>> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:t5npe1$qdd$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>> Yes, but it won't hold its charge as well. It's the lead
>>> sulphate/lead metal equilibrium that stores the energy in a lead acid
>>> battery.
>>
>> That's an 'accumulator', not a battery
>
> It's a large rechargeable battery (which is one of the definitions of
> 'accumulator' in the OED).

I'm fokllowing the dicta of my physics teacher, who not only taught the
subject, but wrote well-considered textbooks on the subject, and I'd
take *his* definitions over any bunch of (mainly) arts graduates,
however distinguished.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:49 UTC

On 14/05/2022 12:56, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:41:01 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>
>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>
>> Yes. two (different) metal plates dipped in dil. HCl (other acids are
>> available) copper and zinc produce 1·5 volts.
>>
>> The zinc plate are eventually eaten away and the acid depleted.
>>
>
> Schoolboy experiment: IIRC copper strip & nail dangling in a CuSO4 solution with battery connected to them to try to copperplate the nail - never really jbexed.

Should have done: should also have worked without the battery by
ion-exchange. connecting the battery the wrong way round would als cause
failure...

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:57 UTC

On 14/05/2022 14:59, maus wrote:
> On 2022-05-14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Yes health and safety. Nobody warned me that fast charging the lawnmower
>> battery would send a fine mist of acid into the air and burn tiny holes in
>> the bottom of my trousers.. ahem.
>> Brian
>>
>
> A basic mechanics lesson which they don't tell to amateurs. Another is
> inflating a loose truck tyre without using a cage,

I had a book, magazine, w.h.y? which reproduced a photo of a person
print on the ceiling of a workshop. The tyre-inflator had been walking
over a *BIG* wheel whose tyre was being overinflated.

He didn't live long enough to learn anything useful.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:02 UTC

On 14-May-22 9:48, John Williamson wrote:
> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>  Brian
>>
> It has been tried, but " Many attempts have been made to use this acid
> in batteries, but the volatile nature of the acid causes the production
> of so much odour with corrosive fumes that it has never come into use."
>
> The corrosive fumes include chlorine, which is not nice and has been
> used as a war gas in the past. When using sulphuric acid, the acid stays
> stable, and the only emissions are hydrogen and oxygen.

Except on submarines - where getting salt water in the battery
compartment does produce chlorine - not much fun when underwater & no
fresh air available.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:04 UTC

On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:t5o19k$5ao$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 14/05/2022 10:00, Peter wrote:
>>>> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:t5npe1$qdd$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
>>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but it won't hold its charge as well. It's the lead
>>>> sulphate/lead metal equilibrium that stores the energy in a lead acid
>>>> battery.
>>>
>>> That's an 'accumulator', not a battery
>>
>> It's a large rechargeable battery (which is one of the definitions of
>> 'accumulator' in the OED).
>
> If we're going to be picky it's a battery if it consists of several
> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>
I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.

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 by: RustyHinge - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:04 UTC

On 14/05/2022 14:52, maus wrote:
> On 2022-05-14, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> So how do they get Chlorine into swimming pools and water generally then?
>> No I don't go for making explosives, stable or otherwise, you can get
>> arrested for that. I do remember some 6th formers managed to blow several
>> windows out of the chemistry lab doing something with weed killer, in their
>> lunch break. Oh dear.
>> Brian
>>
>
> I remember that stuff, but forget the name, I mixed it up, and when
> nothing was happening, left in on a sheet tin down the garden. During
> the night, my brother was woken up by the sound of it going on quick
> fire.

That sounds more like nitrogen tri-iodide.

> Something else I saw today,, which would cause one to worry,
>
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Genital%20Combustion
>
> (I hope this is a jape)

What I would call Fake News

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 by: John Williamson - Sun, 15 May 2022 01:42 UTC

On 14/05/2022 23:04, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)

>> If we're going to be picky it's a battery if it consists of several
>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably
>> and a
>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>
> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>
That as well.

--
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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sun, 15 May 2022 06:03 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 23:04:51 +0100
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/05/2022 14:52, maus wrote:

> > Something else I saw today,, which would cause one to worry,
> >
> > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Genital%20Combustion
> >
> > (I hope this is a jape)
>
> What I would call Fake News

No no it must be real, Jerry Lee Lewis sang about it before I was
born.

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 by: maus - Sun, 15 May 2022 06:59 UTC

On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>
> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>

Having a drink one night, in a now closed bar, people were coming in and
joshing the local bookie about another customer whose accumulator had
gone over 1000%. He pointed that there was a sign in his business saying
winnings were limited to 30 times bet. On to the nearest court, where
the lawyers are the only ones to win.

--
greymausg@mail.com
Ten, twenty million losses, tops

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sun, 15 May 2022 08:47 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 22:49:39 +0100
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/05/2022 12:56, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:41:01 +0100
> > RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 14/05/2022 09:31, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> >>
> >>> So can you make a battery using hydrochloric acid, I wonder?
> >>
> >> Yes. two (different) metal plates dipped in dil. HCl (other acids are
> >> available) copper and zinc produce 1·5 volts.
> >>
> >> The zinc plate are eventually eaten away and the acid depleted.
> >>
> >
> > Schoolboy experiment: IIRC copper strip & nail dangling in a CuSO4 solution with battery connected to them to try to copperplate the nail - never really jbexed.
>
> Should have done: should also have worked without the battery by
> ion-exchange. connecting the battery the wrong way round would als cause
> failure...
>
The nail got a dull orange cour but it flaked off easily- I'd expected shiby! cgleaming! copper coating just like the real thing. (Next up was gonig to be fake gold nails, obv.)

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 by: Peter - Sun, 15 May 2022 09:06 UTC

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
news:20220515070336.9945ca2644914ba68c3d9c75@eircom.net:

> On Sat, 14 May 2022 23:04:51 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 14:52, maus wrote:
>
>> > Something else I saw today,, which would cause one to worry,
>> >
>> > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Genital%20Combustion
>> >
>> > (I hope this is a jape)
>>
>> What I would call Fake News
>
> No no it must be real, Jerry Lee Lewis sang about it before I was
> born.
>

Goodness gracious.

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:10 UTC

In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Sun, 15 May 2022 at 06:59:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
>>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>>
>> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>>
>
>Having a drink one night, in a now closed bar, people were coming in and
>joshing the local bookie about another customer whose accumulator had
>gone over 1000%. He pointed that there was a sign in his business saying
>winnings were limited to 30 times bet. On to the nearest court, where
>the lawyers are the only ones to win.
>
I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

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 by: Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) - Sun, 15 May 2022 12:39 UTC

And now lets have a big hand for Patty O'Cleaner.

Actually, I prefer reading top posted stuff myself as it can take an age to
cursor down to the bottom only to find the person has said, Me too or ha ha.

Unfortunately, when you don't use a mouse these are just the things you
notice. I agree it would be good to have a way of just bunging the sig line
in when you want it though. However is it really all that much trouble? Most
newsreaders can only hide the quoted message as they use the > or whatever
to filter out the line.Turn that damned option off.
Brian

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Note this Signature is meaningless.!
"maus" <maus@dmaus.org> wrote in message
news:slrnt801js.epf.maus@dmaus.org...
> On 2022-05-14, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> In article <20220514105036.4701b48a1bb8bf43586ba7e8@eircom.net>, Ahem A
>> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 10:50:36 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 09:37:07 +0100
>>>"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, what is number 1 then?
>>>
>>>Drink it.
>>>
>> That is the trouble with Brian's top posting, context is lost. If he
>> lost his signature, then the context would not be lost. Many news
>> readers when processing a reply lose everything from the signature block
>> downwards.
>>
>> I presume the context is something to do with what chemists should not
>> do, which was number 27.
>>
>> Rant over.
>>
>> Back to number 1.
>>
>> A number of artificial sweeteners were discovered when a chemist tasted
>> the product of a reaction.
>
> I remember licking my hand after working with sulphuric acid. Kinda
> sweet.
>
>
> --
> greymausg@mail.com
> Ten, twenty million losses, tops

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 by: Nick Odell - Sun, 15 May 2022 14:05 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:10:12 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
<nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

>In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>Sun, 15 May 2022 at 06:59:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
>>>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>>>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>>>
>>> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>>>
>>
>>Having a drink one night, in a now closed bar, people were coming in and
>>joshing the local bookie about another customer whose accumulator had
>>gone over 1000%. He pointed that there was a sign in his business saying
>>winnings were limited to 30 times bet. On to the nearest court, where
>>the lawyers are the only ones to win.
>>
>I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
>at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.

I have no idea what the situation is in Ireland but in the UK, the
Gambling Act 2005 has a few words to say about enforceability. TLDR:
if the gambling is legal the debts are enforceable.

Nick

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On 2022-05-15, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
> Sun, 15 May 2022 at 06:59:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>

>>
> I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
> at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.

There is one concrete law in legal matters, the lawyers always win.

All that about gambling being extra-legal, I hear lots of stories
recently about young people being caught for ginormous sums by internet
gambling. Stories of credit cards having to be entered.

How can people be so stupid!

And, sadly, some of the most brazen companies being linked to ireland.

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 by: maus - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:44 UTC

On 2022-05-15, Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:10:12 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>>I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
>>at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.
>
> I have no idea what the situation is in Ireland but in the UK, the
> Gambling Act 2005 has a few words to say about enforceability. TLDR:
> if the gambling is legal the debts are enforceable.
>
I think that, sadly, is true in Ireland as well.

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 by: maus - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:46 UTC

On 2022-05-15, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> And now lets have a big hand for Patty O'Cleaner.
>
>
> Actually, I prefer reading top posted stuff myself as it can take an age to
> cursor down to the bottom only to find the person has said, Me too or ha ha.
>
> Unfortunately, when you don't use a mouse these are just the things you
> notice. I agree it would be good to have a way of just bunging the sig line
> in when you want it though. However is it really all that much trouble? Most
> newsreaders can only hide the quoted message as they use the > or whatever
> to filter out the line.Turn that damned option off.
> Brian
>

Hey, forget Eurovision. Lets hear it for the Scousers.

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 by: John Williamson - Sun, 15 May 2022 17:29 UTC

Most news readers use a line containing only dash, dash, space, line
return to designate the start of the .sig file. This is, I believe, part
of the usenet standard specification.

Using Thunderbird, I get to read the entire file, then when I reply, it
cuts everything after the .sig spacer out. Your news reader seems to add
the .sig spacer line as the first line of your reply, so any answer to
you loses all the context. Modifying your posting template to match the
standard, with the .sig spacer in the line before your name and .sig
would help us all.

> Unfortunately, when you don't use a mouse these are just the things you
> notice. I agree it would be good to have a way of just bunging the sig line
> in when you want it though. However is it really all that much trouble? Most
> newsreaders can only hide the quoted message as they use the > or whatever
> to filter out the line.Turn that damned option off.
> Brian
>

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sun, 15 May 2022 22:09 UTC

On 15-May-22 15:05, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:10:12 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
> <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>> Sun, 15 May 2022 at 06:59:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
>>>>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>>>>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Having a drink one night, in a now closed bar, people were coming in and
>>> joshing the local bookie about another customer whose accumulator had
>>> gone over 1000%. He pointed that there was a sign in his business saying
>>> winnings were limited to 30 times bet. On to the nearest court, where
>>> the lawyers are the only ones to win.
>>>
>> I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
>> at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.
>
> I have no idea what the situation is in Ireland but in the UK, the
> Gambling Act 2005 has a few words to say about enforceability. TLDR:
> if the gambling is legal the debts are enforceable.

If the bookie has sommat in their terms and conditions which would limit
the maximum payout, that would also be legal (I imagine).

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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 15 May 2022 23:01 UTC

In article <gs128h1do75reemad1aug6rshm9rvngqjo@4ax.com>, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> on Sun, 15 May 2022 at 15:05:20 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:10:12 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
><nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>>Sun, 15 May 2022 at 06:59:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
>>>>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>>>>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Having a drink one night, in a now closed bar, people were coming in and
>>>joshing the local bookie about another customer whose accumulator had
>>>gone over 1000%. He pointed that there was a sign in his business saying
>>>winnings were limited to 30 times bet. On to the nearest court, where
>>>the lawyers are the only ones to win.
>>>
>>I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
>>at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.
>
>I have no idea what the situation is in Ireland but in the UK, the
>Gambling Act 2005 has a few words to say about enforceability. TLDR:
>if the gambling is legal the debts are enforceable.
>
After looking it up. The Gambling Act of 1845 made them 'debts of
honour' and unenforceable in a court of law. The Gambling Act of 2005
reversed that position.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 15 May 2022 23:06 UTC

In article <gSegK.648071$Lc1.326621@fx12.ams1>, Sam Plusnet
<not@home.com> on Sun, 15 May 2022 at 23:09:16 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 15-May-22 15:05, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:10:12 +0100, "Nicholas D. Richards"
>> <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <slrnt8196b.3io.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>>> Sun, 15 May 2022 at 06:59:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> On 2022-05-14, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 14-May-22 14:07, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:22:43 -0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cells (or gnus). It's a secondary cell if you can charge it reliably and a
>>>>>> primary cell if you can't. An accumulator might be a secondary cell or a
>>>>>> battery of them. Of course common usage makes a mockery of such pedantry.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm fairly sure an accumulator is some kind of bet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having a drink one night, in a now closed bar, people were coming in and
>>>> joshing the local bookie about another customer whose accumulator had
>>>> gone over 1000%. He pointed that there was a sign in his business saying
>>>> winnings were limited to 30 times bet. On to the nearest court, where
>>>> the lawyers are the only ones to win.

So a Hundred to one bet was only a Thirty to one bet?

I thought bookies layed off (I think that is the right term) their big
bets with other bookies. So they keep the book balanced.
>>>>
>>> I always thought that, in general, betting contracts were unenforceable
>>> at law. IANAL so I may be wrong.
>>
>> I have no idea what the situation is in Ireland but in the UK, the
>> Gambling Act 2005 has a few words to say about enforceability. TLDR:
>> if the gambling is legal the debts are enforceable.
>
>If the bookie has sommat in their terms and conditions which would limit
>the maximum payout, that would also be legal (I imagine).
>
Unless a court considered it to be an unfair term.
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 by: Nicholas D. Richards - Sun, 15 May 2022 23:17 UTC

In article <slrnt82bj1.7rk.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Sun, 15 May 2022 at 16:46:25 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-05-15, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> And now lets have a big hand for Patty O'Cleaner.
>>
>>
>> Actually, I prefer reading top posted stuff myself as it can take an age to
>> cursor down to the bottom only to find the person has said, Me too or ha ha.

Heard of Page down?
>>
>> Unfortunately, when you don't use a mouse these are just the things you
>> notice. I agree it would be good to have a way of just bunging the sig line
>> in when you want it though.

Best option would be for you to ditch the signature.

> However is it really all that much trouble? Most
>> newsreaders can only hide the quoted message as they use the > or whatever
>> to filter out the line.Turn that damned option off.

Reading your message is not the problem. Anyone who reads your messages
can page down to see the context. When they reply to your message their
news reader removes everything after your signature. So the reply no
longer shows the context.

This was a case in point. I could not see the point of your response,
something about cleaner, but why? I had to come out of Maus' post, to
search backwards to find you had responded to a posting about tasting
chemicals.
>> Brian
>>
>
>Hey, forget Eurovision. Lets hear it for the Scousers.
>
>

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