On Sat, 14 May 2022 22:26:42 +0100
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:42:09 +0100
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:20:14 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
>
> > > Which promptly received Listed Status as an important piece of modern
> > > art - so the new paths never got laid?
> > >
> > > (Unlike many of the students.)
> > >
> > Sadly not. But it was pre-Tracy Eminem's unmade bed, even before half a
> > shark? "Modern Art" feh.
>
> Before 120 white painted house bricks appeared in the Tate ?
>
> Before Becket's "Breath" ?
>
Dunno. Like I said Modern Art - Feh. Maybe about the time of the submarine made out of old tyres.

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Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Mike Fleming said:
> On 13/05/2022 21:23, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> RustyHinge said:
>>> On 13/05/2022 00:38, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>>> On 11/05/2022 23:02, RustyHinge wrote:
>>>>> Lee Anderson MP is being attacked for being 'out of touch' because he
>>>>> maintains that many people could cope better if they knew how to cook
>>>>> - he is spot on.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's actually because he said you could prepare meals for 30p a
>>>> day. Which, if you don't have time to nip out and catch a few rabbits
>>>> and dig up the potatoes from your window box and grind your flour from
>>>> the grass seed you collect from nearby is sheer bollocks.
>>>>
>>>> He's just an overprivileged Tory phag. And he's wildly out of touch.
>>>
>>> 30p/day is just silly - and rapidly getting sillier still, but buying
>>> everything processed and/or ready served is piling 'service' costs on
>>> preparation costs on profit on ingredients on cost of ingredients.
>>>
>>> While I used to produce my own flour from grain I grew, harvested ,
>>> winnowed, etc, this was when my cash income was about 10p/day, and I had
>>> a hammer mill and a tractor to drive it.
>>
>> So, we could all feed ourselves Come The Revolution ?
>
> No problem when the population is reduced to a million or two, and we've
> got Rusty to service our tractors and hammer mills.

I have a vague memory (with no backup or references, obv.) of someone
Doing Some Sums, resulting in an estimate that the UK would support a
hunter-gatherer population of maybe a hundred thousand humans.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

RustyHinge said:
> On 14/05/2022 09:43, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <t5mlll$j1a$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>> girolle.co.uk> on Fri, 13 May 2022 at 23:21:42 awoke Nicholas from his
>> slumbers and wrote
>>> On 13/05/2022 22:15, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 13-May-22 1:48, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Bernard Peek said:
>>>>>> On 2022-05-11, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Lee Anderson MP is being attacked for being 'out of touch' because he
>>>>>>> maintains that many people could cope better if they knew how to cook -
>>>>>>> he is spot on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FSVO
>>>>>
>>>>> The BeeblySea reported him as saying it was possible to cook nutritious
>>>>> meals for 30p a day.
>>>>
>>>> Of course.  Those fools never think of buying huge quantities at
>>>> wholesale prices.  They deserve to be poor.
>>>>
>>>> Ignoring the cost of fuel to heat the stuff, it might be possible -
>>>> provided you choose to eat porridge for every meal.
>>>
>>> Psalad, phurely
>>>
>> Oats are cheaper; you feed horses oats.
>
> And Scots.

Don't the horses complain ? They're not usually carnivorous.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:17:13 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/2022 09:43, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> > Oats are cheaper; you feed horses oats.
>>
>> And Scots.
>
> Nah horses are vegetarian.

Curses ! The Foodrays !

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Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 15/05/2022 12:56, Richard Robinson wrote:

> I have a vague memory (with no backup or references, obv.) of someone
> Doing Some Sums, resulting in an estimate that the UK would support a
> hunter-gatherer population of maybe a hundred thousand humans.
>
>
That seems about right, and the population size would make sure we
stayed that way, as a population that size can not support the high tech
stuff, such as the energy distribution systems we would need we need to
expand the population. In the early bronze age, for instance, it took a
good sized county and established trade routes to support one
metalsmith, and most of them were nomadic anyway, fetching the copper
and tin they needed in person, and travelling a circuit as they used it
up. Much more recently, in the UK, the industrial revolution needed
enough coal miners to supply the energy to run the machinery, once we
ran out of hydro power and wood to burn.

Even the Neolithic people needed a few hundred people in the local area
to support the workers who were needed to quarry and prepare the flint
tools they needed. That is one reaspn the South East has always been
rich. Lots of easily recoverable flint, which could be exchanged for
food from areas quite a distance away, allowing the locals more time to
dig out and prepare the flint.

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John.

On Sun, 15 May 2022 13:22:45 +0100
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 15/05/2022 12:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>
> > I have a vague memory (with no backup or references, obv.) of someone
> > Doing Some Sums, resulting in an estimate that the UK would support a
> > hunter-gatherer population of maybe a hundred thousand humans.
> >
> >
> That seems about right, and the population size would make sure we
> stayed that way,

Not so sure about the population size keeping it down but the lack
of easily available resources would scupper any attempt at rebuilding from
there. I doubt there's even much decent flint left under the Downs and as
for surface metals well there's iron ore wherever the cars got dumped but
they'd have to skip bronze.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 15-May-22 9:44, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 22:26:42 +0100
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:42:09 +0100
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:20:14 +0100
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> Which promptly received Listed Status as an important piece of modern
>>>> art - so the new paths never got laid?
>>>>
>>>> (Unlike many of the students.)
>>>>
>>> Sadly not. But it was pre-Tracy Eminem's unmade bed, even before half a
>>> shark? "Modern Art" feh.
>>
>> Before 120 white painted house bricks appeared in the Tate ?
>>
>> Before Becket's "Breath" ?
>>
> Dunno. Like I said Modern Art - Feh. Maybe about the time of the submarine made out of old tyres.

I never heard so much as a whisper about that one.
I would have expected it to leak.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 15-May-22 13:41, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 13:22:45 +0100
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15/05/2022 12:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>>> I have a vague memory (with no backup or references, obv.) of someone
>>> Doing Some Sums, resulting in an estimate that the UK would support a
>>> hunter-gatherer population of maybe a hundred thousand humans.
>>>
>>>
>> That seems about right, and the population size would make sure we
>> stayed that way,
>
> Not so sure about the population size keeping it down but the lack
> of easily available resources would scupper any attempt at rebuilding from
> there. I doubt there's even much decent flint left under the Downs and as
> for surface metals well there's iron ore wherever the cars got dumped but
> they'd have to skip bronze.
>
"We've struck bronze! I think it's the ruins of an Art Gallery."

--
Sam Plusnet

In article <20220514222642.1a37c0f5fe36a76b4cd2b442@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 14 May 2022 at 22:26:42 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:42:09 +0100
>"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:20:14 +0100
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>
>> > Which promptly received Listed Status as an important piece of modern
>> > art - so the new paths never got laid?
>> >
>> > (Unlike many of the students.)
>> >
>> Sadly not. But it was pre-Tracy Eminem's unmade bed, even before half a
>> shark? "Modern Art" feh.
>
>Before 120 white painted house bricks appeared in the Tate ?
>
>Before Becket's "Breath" ?
>
Still waiting for Becket's explanation of "Ogod".
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