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by: Diana Ricketts - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 18:28 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 6:21:42 AM UTC-5, Eusebius wrote:
> I have moderately hard water and it would be good to use a water softener.. I like the idea of an electronic one that doesn't add chemicals. It descales the pipes and taps as I understand.
>
> Vulcan 3000 has been recommended to me by my bathroom showroom. It's around £600 and there are cheaper alternatives.
>
> So - how effective is an electronic descaler? Anyone have experiences and views?

Here, this seems helpful:
"A critical review of the application of electromagnetic fields for scaling control in water systems: mechanisms, characterization, and operation" (1 June 2020) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41545-020-0071-9

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by: alan_m - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 18:36 UTC

On 23/10/2023 19:28, Diana Ricketts wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 6:21:42 AM UTC-5, Eusebius wrote:
>> I have moderately hard water and it would be good to use a water softener. I like the idea of an electronic one that doesn't add chemicals. It descales the pipes and taps as I understand.
>>
>> Vulcan 3000 has been recommended to me by my bathroom showroom. It's around £600 and there are cheaper alternatives.
>>
>> So - how effective is an electronic descaler? Anyone have experiences and views?
>
> Here, this seems helpful:
> "A critical review of the application of electromagnetic fields for scaling control in water systems: mechanisms, characterization, and operation" (1 June 2020) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41545-020-0071-9

Check the date of the question.
November 30, 2016 at 6:21:42 AM UTC-5, Eusebius wrote:

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by: Brian Gaff - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:16 UTC

Yes, and this same question is perennial. To my knowledge there is no way a
closed system that does not process water, can ever soften it. All these
devices seem to be able to do is make some of the calcium clump together and
maybe or maybe not stick to the sides of pipes.
Brian

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"alan_m" <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 23/10/2023 19:28, Diana Ricketts wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 6:21:42?AM UTC-5, Eusebius wrote:
>>> I have moderately hard water and it would be good to use a water
>>> softener. I like the idea of an electronic one that doesn't add
>>> chemicals. It descales the pipes and taps as I understand.
>>>
>>> Vulcan 3000 has been recommended to me by my bathroom showroom. It's
>>> around �600 and there are cheaper alternatives.
>>>
>>> So - how effective is an electronic descaler? Anyone have experiences
>>> and views?
>>
>> Here, this seems helpful:
>> "A critical review of the application of electromagnetic fields for
>> scaling control in water systems: mechanisms, characterization, and
>> operation" (1 June 2020)
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41545-020-0071-9
>
>
> Check the date of the question.
> November 30, 2016 at 6:21:42?AM UTC-5, Eusebius wrote:
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by: alan_m - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:45 UTC

On 24/10/2023 10:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Yes, and this same question is perennial. To my knowledge there is no way a
> closed system that does not process water, can ever soften it. All these
> devices seem to be able to do is make some of the calcium clump together and
> maybe or maybe not stick to the sides of pipes.

What may work at an industrial scale as stated in the linked article is
hardly likely to work with the snake oil domestic products sold to the
gullible public.

A safe electrical installation of a Vulcan 3000?
<https://www.cwt-vulcan.com/wp-content/uploads/vulcan-3000-descaler-0996.jpg>

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by: Davey - Sat, 28 Oct 2023 10:14 UTC

On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:45:31 +0100
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On 24/10/2023 10:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
> > Yes, and this same question is perennial. To my knowledge there is
> > no way a closed system that does not process water, can ever soften
> > it. All these devices seem to be able to do is make some of the
> > calcium clump together and maybe or maybe not stick to the sides of
> > pipes.
>
> What may work at an industrial scale as stated in the linked article
> is hardly likely to work with the snake oil domestic products sold to
> the gullible public.
>
>
> A safe electrical installation of a Vulcan 3000?
> <https://www.cwt-vulcan.com/wp-content/uploads/vulcan-3000-descaler-0996.jpg>
>

Which appears to have the manufacturer's logo, and so is
presumably approved by them. Shudder. But at least it's only a 120v
supply.

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Subject	Author
Re: Electronic water softeners e.g. Vulcan 3000 - how effective?	Diana Ricketts
Re: Electronic water softeners e.g. Vulcan 3000 - how effective?	alan_m
Re: Electronic water softeners e.g. Vulcan 3000 - how effective?	Brian Gaff
Re: Electronic water softeners e.g. Vulcan 3000 - how effective?	alan_m
Re: Electronic water softeners e.g. Vulcan 3000 - how effective?	Davey