The other day I needed to simply saw off a bit of plastic angle to cover up
a bit of edge damage on a shelf, and noticed my trusty junior hacksaw had no
blade. I found a packet of new ones which I'd purchased some time ago from a
large DIY store, and my friend noticed that the pack said Lifetime
guaranteed on it. I pondered this for a while and wondered if this
completely meaningless phrase was still in use anywhere. I mean you would
not say that about something like a candle, and obviously it could not be
said to be of any meaning for a hacksaw blade ether?
The first time I encountered this was on Scotch video tapes. I'm sure you
recall the animated skeletons saying their tape had a lifetime guarantee.
Lifetime of what?
Its a bit like what you find on adverts for toothpaste and the like when
they say Clinically proven and this is normally uttered by somebody in a
white coat.

Back in the day of photographs, I'd often see films for your camera made by
Kodak, suggesting you got more vibrant colours than with other films. Most
of the variability, at least as far as I knew was down to the development
and printing process.

Brian

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On Friday, 3 November 2023 at 11:44:10 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
> The other day I needed to simply saw off a bit of plastic angle to cover up
> a bit of edge damage on a shelf, and noticed my trusty junior hacksaw had no
> blade. I found a packet of new ones which I'd purchased some time ago from a
> large DIY store, and my friend noticed that the pack said Lifetime
> guaranteed on it. I pondered this for a while and wondered if this
> completely meaningless phrase was still in use anywhere.

Also who's lifetime a mayfly or a Galapagos Giant Tortoise.

and do they mean if it;s not used i.e. left in the packet .
>I mean you would
> not say that about something like a candle,

I'd give it a life for the number of hours burning

>and obviously it could not be
> said to be of any meaning for a hacksaw blade ether?
> The first time I encountered this was on Scotch video tapes. I'm sure you
> recall the animated skeletons saying their tape had a lifetime guarantee.
> Lifetime of what?

of skeleton perhaps

> Its a bit like what you find on adverts for toothpaste and the like when
> they say Clinically proven and this is normally uttered by somebody in a
> white coat.

Even I don't wear a white lab coat anymore.

>
> Back in the day of photographs, I'd often see films for your camera made by
> Kodak, suggesting you got more vibrant colours than with other films. Most
> of the variability, at least as far as I knew was down to the development
> and printing process.

Well not really provided you exposed it, developed it and printed as advised.
Kodak was more vibrant which was OK for most things but I prefered Fuji film
for things like gigs.
Films did have different characteristics.

Now most things are in most parts electronics even pictures lifetime warranties or guarantees
have little meaning if any instead a time period or usage is involved.

On Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:39:35 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

> Back in the day of photographs, I'd often see films for your camera made
> by Kodak, suggesting you got more vibrant colours than with other films.
> Most of the variability, at least as far as I knew was down to the
> development and printing process.

I thought the "gold" range of films was distinctly nicer for it's colour
rendition. Especially at faster speeds.

On 03/11/2023 14:03, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:39:35 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> Back in the day of photographs, I'd often see films for your camera made
>> by Kodak, suggesting you got more vibrant colours than with other films.
>> Most of the variability, at least as far as I knew was down to the
>> development and printing process.
>
> I thought the "gold" range of films was distinctly nicer for it's colour
> rendition. Especially at faster speeds.
Brian is as usual wrong.

Kodak colors trashy and vulgar. Best skin toe Konika - the wedding
photographers favourite. Agfa had very well rendered greens and was my
favourite for landscapes.

Kodachrome very accurate and detailed but colors were muted

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On 03 Nov 2023 at 15:45:08 GMT, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 03/11/2023 14:03, Jethro_uk wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:39:35 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day of photographs, I'd often see films for your camera made
>>> by Kodak, suggesting you got more vibrant colours than with other films.
>>> Most of the variability, at least as far as I knew was down to the
>>> development and printing process.
>>
>> I thought the "gold" range of films was distinctly nicer for it's colour
>> rendition. Especially at faster speeds.
> Brian is as usual wrong.
>
> Kodak colors trashy and vulgar. Best skin toe Konika - the wedding
> photographers favourite. Agfa had very well rendered greens and was my
> favourite for landscapes.
>
> Kodachrome very accurate and detailed but colors were muted

All my Kodachome slides have kept their colours, and most are 50 years old.
Unlike deceased FiL's slides, such as when he was doing his National Service
in Cyprus in the 50s. SWMBO is going through those now, colours are very
muddy. Not sure what he used.

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"The Natural Philosopher" <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 03/11/2023 14:03, Jethro_uk wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:39:35 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day of photographs, I'd often see films for your camera made
>>> by Kodak, suggesting you got more vibrant colours than with other films.
>>> Most of the variability, at least as far as I knew was down to the
>>> development and printing process.
>>
>> I thought the "gold" range of films was distinctly nicer for it's colour
>> rendition. Especially at faster speeds.
> Brian is as usual wrong.
>
> Kodak colors trashy and vulgar. Best skin toe Konika - the wedding
> photographers favourite. Agfa had very well rendered greens and was my
> favourite for landscapes.
>
> Kodachrome very accurate and detailed but colors were muted
>
> --
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>
> - Ludwig von Mises
>

"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ui2mdt$2ov3r$1@dont-email.me...
> The other day I needed to simply saw off a bit of plastic angle to cover
> up a bit of edge damage on a shelf, and noticed my trusty junior hacksaw
> had no blade. I found a packet of new ones which I'd purchased some time
> ago from a large DIY store, and my friend noticed that the pack said
> Lifetime guaranteed on it. I pondered this for a while and wondered if
> this completely meaningless phrase was still in use anywhere.

It probably meant the blades won't snap before the teeth wear down

> I mean you would not say that about something like a candle,

Made with poor quality wax substitute possibly a candle could
simply disuintegrate before beurning right to the ened

> and obviously it could not be said to be of any meaning for a hacksaw
> blade ether?
> The first time I encountered this was on Scotch video tapes. I'm sure you
> recall the animated skeletons saying their tape had a lifetime guarantee.
> Lifetime of what?

The tape won't wear out, before the technology becomes redundant for
most users at least. In the small print there will probably be gets
outs about the quality deteriorating if used for re-recording over
a certain number of times

> Its a bit like what you find on adverts for toothpaste and the like when
> they say Clinically proven and this is normally uttered by somebody in a
> white coat.

That usually means it was tested on monkeys or consenting prisoners and
it didn't perform noticeably worse then any of any of the competition
while their teeth didn't fall out as a result.

bb

You are more cynical than I am!

The slogan of Silit Bang is a little open to interpretation as well. Bang
and its gone.
Still we can all be happy that Domestos kills 99 percent of all known
germs.

Question of the day:
Why can't you get those magic markers in white?

Brian

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>
> "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ui2mdt$2ov3r$1@dont-email.me...
>> The other day I needed to simply saw off a bit of plastic angle to cover
>> up a bit of edge damage on a shelf, and noticed my trusty junior hacksaw
>> had no blade. I found a packet of new ones which I'd purchased some time
>> ago from a large DIY store, and my friend noticed that the pack said
>> Lifetime guaranteed on it. I pondered this for a while and wondered if
>> this completely meaningless phrase was still in use anywhere.
>
> It probably meant the blades won't snap before the teeth wear down
>
>
>> I mean you would not say that about something like a candle,
>
> Made with poor quality wax substitute possibly a candle could
> simply disuintegrate before beurning right to the ened
>
>
>> and obviously it could not be said to be of any meaning for a hacksaw
>> blade ether?
>> The first time I encountered this was on Scotch video tapes. I'm sure you
>> recall the animated skeletons saying their tape had a lifetime guarantee.
>> Lifetime of what?
>
> The tape won't wear out, before the technology becomes redundant for
> most users at least. In the small print there will probably be gets
> outs about the quality deteriorating if used for re-recording over
> a certain number of times
>
>
>
>> Its a bit like what you find on adverts for toothpaste and the like when
>> they say Clinically proven and this is normally uttered by somebody in a
>> white coat.
>
> That usually means it was tested on monkeys or consenting prisoners and
> it didn't perform noticeably worse then any of any of the competition
> while their teeth didn't fall out as a result.
>
>
> bb
>

On 06/11/2023 15:33, Brian Gaff wrote:
> You are more cynical than I am!

> Question of the day:
> Why can't you get those magic markers in white?

Because you can use Tipp-Ex.

I don't suppose "white" ink of the sort that could be used in a felt tip
pen would be opaque enough without clogging it.

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On 03/11/2023 11:39, Brian Gaff wrote:

> The first time I encountered this was on Scotch video tapes. I'm sure you
> recall the animated skeletons saying their tape had a lifetime guarantee.
> Lifetime of what?

"...provided that the tape format is still in normal use," is what is
says on the box.

(I sent one back once as it had a horizontal streak; probably because
the tape became creased. They sent a replacement, but I still had to pay
the postage to them.)

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On 06/11/2023 15:33, Brian Gaff wrote:
> You are more cynical than I am!
>
> The slogan of Silit Bang is a little open to interpretation as well. Bang
> and its gone.
> Still we can all be happy that Domestos kills 99 percent of all known
> germs.
>

Yet it's the other 1% that's the most dangerous & needs killing.

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Why cannot it be the same as other colours. A friend of mine wants to mark
some controls on home built gear which happens to have a black front panel.
Snopake and the like come with a brush, and hence not very controllable.
Brian

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> On 06/11/2023 15:33, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> You are more cynical than I am!
>
>> Question of the day:
>> Why can't you get those magic markers in white?
>
> Because you can use Tipp-Ex.
>
> I don't suppose "white" ink of the sort that could be used in a felt tip
> pen would be opaque enough without clogging it.
>
> --
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>

In article <uidp7b$138h4$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
<brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why cannot it be the same as other colours. A friend of mine wants to
> mark some controls on home built gear which happens to have a black front
> panel. Snopake and the like come with a brush, and hence not very
> controllable. Brian

I have a white, extra fine point pen. You just need to shop in the right
place.

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On 07/11/2023 17:45, charles wrote:
> In article <uidp7b$138h4$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff
> <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why cannot it be the same as other colours. A friend of mine wants to
>> mark some controls on home built gear which happens to have a black front
>> panel. Snopake and the like come with a brush, and hence not very
>> controllable. Brian
>
> I have a white, extra fine point pen. You just need to shop in the right
> place.

A search for "paint pens" returns numerous options.

Basf were often making tapes that creased due to their video tape sticking
to the guides and slipping on the capstan. If you looked at other makes they
often had a dull back coting which stopped the friction being so high The
old VCR double deck tapes were the worst for this, as the whole of the top
of the drum rotated and could add just enough to the friction so the bottom
edge creased on the guides. Brian

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> On 03/11/2023 11:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> The first time I encountered this was on Scotch video tapes. I'm sure you
>> recall the animated skeletons saying their tape had a lifetime guarantee.
>> Lifetime of what?
>
> "...provided that the tape format is still in normal use," is what is says
> on the box.
>
> (I sent one back once as it had a horizontal streak; probably because the
> tape became creased. They sent a replacement, but I still had to pay the
> postage to them.)
>
> --
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>

Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.

Have I been debanked?

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On 08/11/2023 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.
>
> Have I been debanked?

It could easily be a problem at your bank's end.

>
>

On 08/11/2023 11:28, GB wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.
>>
>> Have I been debanked?
>
> It could easily be a problem at your bank's end.
>
No. It says 'your card number does not match the selected card type'. It
never got as far as the bank *at all*.

The phone service said 'the transaction could not be processed at this
time' .

The help service on the website directs me back to the website.

It is the usual Kafkaesque support roundabout.

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only in others...”

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On 08/11/2023 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 11:28, GB wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.
>>>
>>> Have I been debanked?
>>
>> It could easily be a problem at your bank's end.
>>
> No. It says 'your card number does not match the selected card type'. It
> never got as far as the bank *at all*.
>
> The phone service said 'the transaction could not be processed at this
> time' .
>
> The help service on the website directs me back to the website.
>
> It is the usual Kafkaesque support roundabout.
>
I'm on the phone in a queue to speak to support at my bank. It is not
much better. :)

On 08/11/2023 11:46, GB wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 08/11/2023 11:28, GB wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2023 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.
>>>>
>>>> Have I been debanked?
>>>
>>> It could easily be a problem at your bank's end.
>>>
>> No. It says 'your card number does not match the selected card type'.
>> It never got as far as the bank *at all*.
>>
>> The phone service said 'the transaction could not be processed at this
>> time' .
>>
>> The help service on the website directs me back to the website.
>>
>> It is the usual Kafkaesque support roundabout.
>>
> I'm on the phone in a queue to speak to support at my bank. It is not
> much better. :)
>
>
Not surprised. My bank which gave me an unasked for £15,000 overdraft
limit when I opened the account with a couple of million deposit in the
late 90s, has now reduced it to £310.

If it wasn't for the fact that I never asked for wanted or needed any
overdraft at all, I might get pissed up enough to shriek down the phone
at them.

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On 08/11/2023 in message <uifs77$1j14j$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

>No. It says 'your card number does not match the selected card type'. It
>never got as far as the bank *at all*.

I've had that. My First Direct debit card is recognised by the system as
an HSBC Mastercard, might it be something like that?

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> My bank which gave me an unasked for £15,000 overdraft limit when I
> opened the account with a couple of million deposit in the late 90s, has
> now reduced it to £310.

I think it's Barclays general position to "remove stuff" nowadays. I've
only used my overdraft for a couple of days (by accident) in 39 years,
recently they've taken it away. I also had free CHAPS transfers
(occasionally useful for car and property transactions) and that's also
been taken away.

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 11:28, GB wrote:
> > On 08/11/2023 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> >> Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.
> >>
> >> Have I been debanked?
> >
> > It could easily be a problem at your bank's end.
> >
> No. It says 'your card number does not match the selected card type'. It
> never got as far as the bank *at all*.

That's normally done on the first few digits of the card number, which specify
the card network (Visa/Mastercard/etc) and bank. This logic is simple
enough that 'card type' checking is often done in Javascript in the browser
- Visa is '4', Mastercard is '51-55', etc:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_card_number

Given they probably don't accept Humo or LankaPay, the logic for what they
do accept is not complicated.

If you failed that check, either it was entered wrong or do you have a new
card that might have a new numbering scheme? (eg Mastercard added 2221 and
2720 in 2017).

Theo

On 08/11/2023 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> It is the usual Kafkaesque support roundabout.
>

My exercise in futility this morning was with Royal Main. A 24 hour
tracked package is "still in transit" for the past 7 days (but
supposedly in the same depot 30 miles away from my location for the past
6 days).

If I wanted more information on the delay they suggested that I phone
them. Twenty five minutes on hold and I speak to one of their employees
who gives me exactly the same information I found on their tracking web
site. No other information was available. I was also informed that 24
hours didn't mean 24 hours but up to 10 days!

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On 08/11/2023 11:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Neither the website nor the telephone system will accept my card.
>
> Have I been debanked?
>
>

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