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From: ton...@bancom.co.uk (tony sayer)
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Subject: Mitre or chop saw for small Ally sections?.
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 by: tony sayer - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 18:14 UTC

As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.

I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
anyone;?..

TIA...
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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 by: John Rumm - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 19:21 UTC

On 22/10/2023 19:14, tony sayer wrote:
>
> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>
> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
> anyone;?..

To be fair any mitre or chop saw designed for wood with a carbide blade
will cut ali. A bit of WD40 as a lubricant will stop chips sticking to
the blade.

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: notha...@aolbin.com - Sun, 22 Oct 2023 20:37 UTC

On 22/10/2023 19:14, tony sayer wrote:
>
> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>
> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
> anyone;?..
>
> TIA...

Yes, I did that but try to use the Rage chop saw now. Get the blade with
the most teeth you can find, and wear safety glasses and a mask - the
chips get everywhere.
A word of warning - I killed my first chop saw because the chips got in
to the ventilation ducts - I'm not near it right now to check, but I'm
fairly sure that the Rage saw doesn't have air intakes.

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From: tnp...@invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
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Subject: Re: Mitre or chop saw for small Ally sections?.
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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:41 UTC

On 22/10/2023 19:14, tony sayer wrote:
>
> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>
> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
> anyone;?..
>
> TIA...

Back in the day we used an electric wood crosscut saw for heat sink
extrusions

--
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

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 by: Tricky Dicky - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 09:07 UTC

tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>
> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>
> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
> anyone;?..
>
> TIA...

In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.

Richard

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 by: Tim Streater - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 09:14 UTC

On 23 Oct 2023 at 09:41:58 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/10/2023 19:14, tony sayer wrote:
>>
>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>
>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>> anyone;?..
>>
>> TIA...
>
> Back in the day we used an electric wood crosscut saw for heat sink
> extrusions

Woss this? Wooden heat sinks? Now there's a thought. Wooden bank on them
though.

--
Britain sitting behind the protectionist wall of the Customs Union is doing absolutely nothing for the oppressed coffee bean growers of the developing world. How ironic then that the cappuccino-swilling hordes of Hove voted in large numbers to keep some of the world's poorest people and traders locked out of our markets.

Tom Bewick - Labour councillor in Brighton and Hove

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 by: The Natural Philosop - Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35 UTC

On 23/10/2023 10:14, Tim Streater wrote:
> On 23 Oct 2023 at 09:41:58 BST, "The Natural Philosopher"
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 22/10/2023 19:14, tony sayer wrote:
>>>
>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>
>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>> anyone;?..
>>>
>>> TIA...
>>
>> Back in the day we used an electric wood crosscut saw for heat sink
>> extrusions
>
> Woss this? Wooden heat sinks? Now there's a thought. Wooden bank on them
> though.
>
Doan be silli. Dey wos 'aluminum'

--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

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 by: John Rumm - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:50 UTC

On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
> tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>
>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>> anyone;?..
>>
>> TIA...
>
> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.

Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
smaller arbours.

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: fred - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:25 UTC

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:50:50 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
> > tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
> >> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
> >> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
> >>
> >> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
> >> anyone;?..
> >>
> >> TIA...
> >
> > In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
> > plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
> > manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
> > mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
> > for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
> > 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
> smaller arbours.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John.
>
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If using mitre saw beware flying chips. They can be very hot

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 by: alan_m - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:45 UTC

On 24/10/2023 13:50, John Rumm wrote:
> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>> tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>
>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>> anyone;?..
>>>
>>> TIA...
>>
>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw
>> unless you
>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>
> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
> smaller arbours.
>

Saxton blades often come with reducing rings
https://www.saxtonblades.co.uk/product/tct-multi-purpose-circular-saw-blade-255mm-x-100t/

" Triple chip grind blades for use on aluminium, hardwoods and laminates
Suitable for use with mitre, table and hand held circular saws
Professional quality, hardened and tempered tungsten carbide tipped
circular saw blade
255mm diameter - 100 teeth - 30mm bore (16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm
reduction rings included) 2.8mm kerf "

Their 185mm blade, 30mm bore with 16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm reduction
rings. Ditto with their 210mm blade.

Their 160mm blade has a 20mm bore with a 16mm reducing ring.

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 by: John Rumm - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:08 UTC

On 24/10/2023 14:25, fred wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:50:50 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>> tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>
>>>> TIA...
>>>
>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.

>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
>> smaller arbours.

> If using mitre saw beware flying chips. They can be very hot

Indeed!

Probably not much of a problem on the mitre saw since it is throwing
them away from you. More an issue on hand held circular saws though!

(as I found out to my cost on my most recent metal working project when
I thought it might be handy to stick a metal cutting blade in my
"normal" 18V saw. It cut nicely, but it was hard to avoid the hot flying
bits!)

Proper metal cutting circular saws have far more "enclosed" guarding and
a reservoir in the guard designed to catch and collect the chips:

https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-dcs552z-body-only-18v-metal-saw-136mm-lxt

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: RJH - Tue, 24 Oct 2023 23:45 UTC

On 24 Oct 2023 at 23:08:11 BST, John Rumm wrote:

> On 24/10/2023 14:25, fred wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:50:50 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>>> tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA...
>>>>
>>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
>>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>
>>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
>>> smaller arbours.
>
>> If using mitre saw beware flying chips. They can be very hot
>
>
> Indeed!
>
> Probably not much of a problem on the mitre saw since it is throwing
> them away from you. More an issue on hand held circular saws though!
>
> (as I found out to my cost on my most recent metal working project when
> I thought it might be handy to stick a metal cutting blade in my
> "normal" 18V saw. It cut nicely, but it was hard to avoid the hot flying
> bits!)
>
> Proper metal cutting circular saws have far more "enclosed" guarding and
> a reservoir in the guard designed to catch and collect the chips:
>
> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-dcs552z-body-only-18v-metal-saw-136mm-lxt

An aside - circular saws don't seem to have a laser guide nowadays. Why? I
find them quite useful . . .
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 by: John Rumm - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:19 UTC

On 25/10/2023 00:45, RJH wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2023 at 23:08:11 BST, John Rumm wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2023 14:25, fred wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:50:50 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>>>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>>>> tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA...
>>>>>
>>>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
>>>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>>>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>>>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>>>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>>
>>>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
>>>> smaller arbours.
>>
>>> If using mitre saw beware flying chips. They can be very hot
>>
>>
>> Indeed!
>>
>> Probably not much of a problem on the mitre saw since it is throwing
>> them away from you. More an issue on hand held circular saws though!
>>
>> (as I found out to my cost on my most recent metal working project when
>> I thought it might be handy to stick a metal cutting blade in my
>> "normal" 18V saw. It cut nicely, but it was hard to avoid the hot flying
>> bits!)
>>
>> Proper metal cutting circular saws have far more "enclosed" guarding and
>> a reservoir in the guard designed to catch and collect the chips:
>>
>> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-dcs552z-body-only-18v-metal-saw-136mm-lxt
>
> An aside - circular saws don't seem to have a laser guide nowadays. Why? I
> find them quite useful . . .

Some of the mitre saws still do, but perhaps it was considered more of a
gimmick on handheld saws?

(that and I suppose if you want really accurate cutting on a handheld
saw these days you would get a track saw)

--
Cheers,

John.

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 by: alan_m - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:24 UTC

On 25/10/2023 11:19, John Rumm wrote:
> On 25/10/2023 00:45, RJH wrote:
>> On 24 Oct 2023 at 23:08:11 BST, John Rumm wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/10/2023 14:25, fred wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:50:50 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>>>>> tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for
>>>>>>> the above
>>>>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally
>>>>>>> sections,
>>>>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw
>>>>>> unless you
>>>>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>>>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If
>>>>>> you do go
>>>>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade
>>>>>> bore is
>>>>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>>>
>>>>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to
>>>>> fit on
>>>>> smaller arbours.
>>>
>>>> If using  mitre saw beware flying chips. They can be very hot
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> Probably not much of a problem on the mitre saw since it is throwing
>>> them away from you. More an issue on hand held circular saws though!
>>>
>>> (as I found out to my cost on my most recent metal working project when
>>> I thought it might be handy to stick a metal cutting blade in my
>>> "normal" 18V saw. It cut nicely, but it was hard to avoid the hot flying
>>> bits!)
>>>
>>> Proper metal cutting circular saws have far more "enclosed" guarding and
>>> a reservoir in the guard designed to catch and collect the chips:
>>>
>>> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-dcs552z-body-only-18v-metal-saw-136mm-lxt
>>
>> An aside - circular saws don't seem to have a laser guide nowadays.
>> Why? I
>> find them quite useful . . .
>
>
> Some of the mitre saws still do, but perhaps it was considered more of a
> gimmick on handheld saws?
>
> (that and I suppose if you want really accurate cutting on a handheld
> saw these days you would get a track saw)
>
>

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 by: Tricky Dicky - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:28 UTC

John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 25/10/2023 00:45, RJH wrote:
>> On 24 Oct 2023 at 23:08:11 BST, John Rumm wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/10/2023 14:25, fred wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 1:50:50 PM UTC+1, John Rumm wrote:
>>>>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>>>>> tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>>>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>>>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TIA...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw unless you
>>>>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>>>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>>>>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>>>>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>>>>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>>>
>>>>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
>>>>> smaller arbours.
>>>
>>>> If using mitre saw beware flying chips. They can be very hot
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed!
>>>
>>> Probably not much of a problem on the mitre saw since it is throwing
>>> them away from you. More an issue on hand held circular saws though!
>>>
>>> (as I found out to my cost on my most recent metal working project when
>>> I thought it might be handy to stick a metal cutting blade in my
>>> "normal" 18V saw. It cut nicely, but it was hard to avoid the hot flying
>>> bits!)
>>>
>>> Proper metal cutting circular saws have far more "enclosed" guarding and
>>> a reservoir in the guard designed to catch and collect the chips:
>>>
>>> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-dcs552z-body-only-18v-metal-saw-136mm-lxt
>>
>> An aside - circular saws don't seem to have a laser guide nowadays. Why? I
>> find them quite useful . . .
>
>
> Some of the mitre saws still do, but perhaps it was considered more of a
> gimmick on handheld saws?
>
> (that and I suppose if you want really accurate cutting on a handheld
> saw these days you would get a track saw)
>
>

I find laser guides easily get knocked out of alignment and even where you
can adjust them it is a PITA to put right.

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From: jun...@admac.myzen.co.uk (alan_m)
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Subject: Re: Mitre or chop saw for small Ally sections?.
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 by: alan_m - Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:51 UTC

On 25/10/2023 11:19, John Rumm wrote:

> Some of the mitre saws still do, but perhaps it was considered more of a
> gimmick on handheld saws?

There was also some question as to the laser actually being aligned
correctly to the blade.

My mitre saw shines a light from the top of the blade which casts a
shadow of the blade on the work piece to enable the work piece to be
accurately positioned to the correct side of the blade. The downside is
that it doesn't work if used in bright sunlight but just about OK
outdoors in shade on a sunny day. OK indoors with normal room lighting.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CIvo5axd-Vg

Modify your saw.....:)
https://youtu.be/MHM8K-JS-Wk?t=516

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From: ton...@bancom.co.uk (tony sayer)
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Subject: Re: Mitre or chop saw for small Ally sections?.
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 by: tony sayer - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 14:43 UTC

In article <kpq03aFt3h4U1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
<junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>On 24/10/2023 13:50, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>> tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>
>>>> TIA...
>>>
>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw
>>> unless you
>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>>
>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
>> smaller arbours.
>>
>
>Saxton blades often come with reducing rings
>https://www.saxtonblades.co.uk/product/tct-multi-purpose-circular-saw-blade-
>255mm-x-100t/
>
>" Triple chip grind blades for use on aluminium, hardwoods and laminates
> Suitable for use with mitre, table and hand held circular saws
> Professional quality, hardened and tempered tungsten carbide tipped
> circular saw blade
> 255mm diameter - 100 teeth - 30mm bore (16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm
>reduction rings included) 2.8mm kerf "
>
>Their 185mm blade, 30mm bore with 16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm reduction
>rings. Ditto with their 210mm blade.
>
>Their 160mm blade has a 20mm bore with a 16mm reducing ring.
>
>
>

Thanks to All who replied!.

Borrowed a small chop saw, worked very well!, choice now is the get a
small chop saw or a sliding one?.

Decisions decisions!!
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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 by: notha...@aolbin.com - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 18:09 UTC

On 04/11/2023 14:43, tony sayer wrote:
> In article <kpq03aFt3h4U1@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
> <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>> On 24/10/2023 13:50, John Rumm wrote:
>>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
>>>> tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
>>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
>>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
>>>>> anyone;?..
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA...
>>>>
>>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw
>>>> unless you
>>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
>>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
>>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
>>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
>>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
>>>
>>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
>>> smaller arbours.
>>>
>>
>> Saxton blades often come with reducing rings
>> https://www.saxtonblades.co.uk/product/tct-multi-purpose-circular-saw-blade-
>> 255mm-x-100t/
>>
>> " Triple chip grind blades for use on aluminium, hardwoods and laminates
>> Suitable for use with mitre, table and hand held circular saws
>> Professional quality, hardened and tempered tungsten carbide tipped
>> circular saw blade
>> 255mm diameter - 100 teeth - 30mm bore (16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm
>> reduction rings included) 2.8mm kerf "
>>
>> Their 185mm blade, 30mm bore with 16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm reduction
>> rings. Ditto with their 210mm blade.
>>
>> Their 160mm blade has a 20mm bore with a 16mm reducing ring.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks to All who replied!.
>
> Borrowed a small chop saw, worked very well!, choice now is the get a
> small chop saw or a sliding one?.
>
> Decisions decisions!!
Size matters (!!) but rigidity is important too (!!!) Some of the cheap
sliding chop saws are too floppy, so either spend a chunk of money or
get a non-sliding saw.
BTW, ref my earlier comment, make sure the aluminium chips can't get in
to the saw via the air vents.

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 by: Animal - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 23:07 UTC

On Saturday, 4 November 2023 at 18:09:44 UTC, noth...@aolbin.com wrote:
> On 04/11/2023 14:43, tony sayer wrote:
> > In article <kpq03a...@mid.individual.net>, alan_m
> > <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
> >> On 24/10/2023 13:50, John Rumm wrote:
> >>> On 23/10/2023 10:07, Tricky Dicky wrote:
> >>>> tony sayer <to...@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As per title anyone got any suggestions or recommendations for the above
> >>>>> from time to time i have a requirement to chop up short ally sections,
> >>>>> bit of a pain using a hacksaw or jigsaw.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I believe that a mitre saw may be a good option for this activity,
> >>>>> anyone;?..
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TIA...
> >>>>
> >>>> In the long term you will probably get more use from a mitre saw
> >>>> unless you
> >>>> plan to cut a lot of metal over time. Most reputable mitre saw
> >>>> manufacturers will provide a metal saw suitable for Aluminium for both
> >>>> mitre saws and table saws, Evolution being the most notable. If you do go
> >>>> for Evolution then check carefully as the industry standard blade bore is
> >>>> 30mm dia. Whereas Evolution is 25mm.
> >>>
> >>> Although you can get adaptor rings to allow larger bore blades to fit on
> >>> smaller arbours.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Saxton blades often come with reducing rings
> >> https://www.saxtonblades.co.uk/product/tct-multi-purpose-circular-saw-blade-
> >> 255mm-x-100t/
> >>
> >> " Triple chip grind blades for use on aluminium, hardwoods and laminates
> >> Suitable for use with mitre, table and hand held circular saws
> >> Professional quality, hardened and tempered tungsten carbide tipped
> >> circular saw blade
> >> 255mm diameter - 100 teeth - 30mm bore (16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm
> >> reduction rings included) 2.8mm kerf "
> >>
> >> Their 185mm blade, 30mm bore with 16, 20, 25mm and 25.4mm reduction
> >> rings. Ditto with their 210mm blade.
> >>
> >> Their 160mm blade has a 20mm bore with a 16mm reducing ring.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Thanks to All who replied!.
> >
> > Borrowed a small chop saw, worked very well!, choice now is the get a
> > small chop saw or a sliding one?.
> >
> > Decisions decisions!!
> Size matters (!!) but rigidity is important too (!!!) Some of the cheap
> sliding chop saws are too floppy, so either spend a chunk of money or
> get a non-sliding saw.
> BTW, ref my earlier comment, make sure the aluminium chips can't get in
> to the saw via the air vents.

Go to a car boot, pay not much.

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 by: tony sayer - Sun, 12 Nov 2023 19:03 UTC

>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks to All who replied!.
>>
>> Borrowed a small chop saw, worked very well!, choice now is the get a
>> small chop saw or a sliding one?.
>>
>> Decisions decisions!!
>Size matters (!!) but rigidity is important too (!!!) Some of the cheap
>sliding chop saws are too floppy, so either spend a chunk of money or
>get a non-sliding saw.

Yes looking at that !..

>BTW, ref my earlier comment, make sure the aluminium chips can't get in
>to the saw via the air vents.

Yes noted..
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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