My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
old, so need a replacement.

It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
barely 600mm, if that.

Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.

Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
force?

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
> old, so need a replacement.
>
> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
> barely 600mm, if that.
>
> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>
> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
> force?

I have a feeling many of the so called 600mm ones are in fact around
595mm - i.e. designed to fit into a 600mm gap.

(just had a look on ao.com, and when you can find the right bit of
detail (Product Specification -> Product Detail) - and one was 595,
another 598 in my random sample of two)

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Chris J Dixon wrote:

> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.

My recentish Indesit is specified as 595mm, if anything it's 1mm shy of
that.

<https://www.indesit.co.uk/indesit-bi-wdil-861284-uk-integrated-washer-dryer-f159395/p>

In article <c51nliptpi885744idjcjd65thd9u0prqo@4ax.com>,
Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
> old, so need a replacement.

> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
> barely 600mm, if that.

> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.

> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
> force?

Go into Currys with a tape measure

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On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
> old, so need a replacement.
>
> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
> barely 600mm, if that.
>
> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>
> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
> force?

At argos.com, generally Bosch are 598mm, Haier 56cm, and Miele 596mm.
I'd check at the manufacturer's websites for better accuracy. However,
one certain way would be if you've got a Curry's nearby (or other
retailer). Take a tape measure along and check the width of the washing
machines on display yourself.

--

Jeff

On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
> old, so need a replacement.
>
> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
> barely 600mm, if that.
>
> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>
> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
> force?
>
> Chris
They are nearly always 595 IME
--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 20/11/2023 16:45, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
>> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
>> old, so need a replacement.
>>
>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
>> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
>> barely 600mm, if that.
>>
>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>>
>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
>> force?
>
> At argos.com, generally Bosch are 598mm, Haier 56cm, and Miele 596mm.
> I'd check at the manufacturer's websites for better accuracy. However,
> one certain way would be if you've got a Curry's nearby (or other
> retailer). Take a tape measure along and check the width of the washing
> machines on display yourself.

https://www.ebac.com/washing-machines/e-care-8kg-cold-fill

595mm on the button.
Good machine, good warranty

--
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- George Orwell

On 20/11/2023 17:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
>> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
>> old, so need a replacement.
>>
>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
>> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
>> barely 600mm, if that.
>>
>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>>
>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
>> force?
>>
>> Chris
> They are nearly always 595 IME

Just watch the depth. 8kg, 9kg and 10kg machines often have different
depths.

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On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 16:45:03 +0000, charles wrote:

> In article <c51nliptpi885744idjcjd65thd9u0prqo@4ax.com>,
> Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old, and
>> failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that old, so
>> need a replacement.
>
>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit, and is
>> pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is barely 600mm, if
>> that.
>
>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>
>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant force?
>
> Go into Currys with a tape measure

I once did that with a piece of cardboard bread-sized.

It confirmed that nothing they sold toasted bread properly. However you
could have your useless toaster in any colour you liked.

Jeff Layman wrote:

>On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
>> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
>> old, so need a replacement.
>>
>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
>> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
>> barely 600mm, if that.
>>
>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>>
>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
>> force?
>
>At argos.com, generally Bosch are 598mm, Haier 56cm, and Miele 596mm.
>I'd check at the manufacturer's websites for better accuracy. However,
>one certain way would be if you've got a Curry's nearby (or other
>retailer). Take a tape measure along and check the width of the washing
>machines on display yourself.

That looks like the way I will have to go.

If I don't get it right, I wonder how ridiculous it would be
trying to gain a little more space.

The kitchen layout is shown here:

<https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=20423997331&set=a.20423847331>

The arrangement is sink, dishwasher, washing machine, unit. The
unit is only about 300 mm deep. Could I reduce its 15mm chipboard
side thickness, in situ, by a couple of mm? I think I would have
to buy something new to do it - maybe router or power plane?

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 21/11/2023 16:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
>>> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
>>> old, so need a replacement.
>>>
>>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
>>> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
>>> barely 600mm, if that.
>>>
>>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>>>
>>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
>>> force?
>>
>> At argos.com, generally Bosch are 598mm, Haier 56cm, and Miele 596mm.
>> I'd check at the manufacturer's websites for better accuracy. However,
>> one certain way would be if you've got a Curry's nearby (or other
>> retailer). Take a tape measure along and check the width of the washing
>> machines on display yourself.
>
> That looks like the way I will have to go.
>
> If I don't get it right, I wonder how ridiculous it would be
> trying to gain a little more space.
>
> The kitchen layout is shown here:
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=20423997331&set=a.20423847331>
>
Fuck all use if you don't have a faeces book account

> The arrangement is sink, dishwasher, washing machine, unit. The
> unit is only about 300 mm deep. Could I reduce its 15mm chipboard
> side thickness, in situ, by a couple of mm? I think I would have
> to buy something new to do it - maybe router or power plane?
>
> Chris
Just buy a standard 595 unit.

--
Climate is what you expect but weather is what you get.
Mark Twain

On 21/11/2023 17:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Fuck all use if you don't have a faeces book account
>

Even if you do "the content isn't available"

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On 21/11/2023 17:55, alan_m wrote:
> On 21/11/2023 17:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Fuck all use if you don't have a faeces book account
>>
>
> Even if you do "the content isn't available"

I don't have a facebook account and I had no problem viewing the photos.

--

Jeff

On 21/11/2023 16:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> On 20/11/2023 16:18, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old,
>>> and failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that
>>> old, so need a replacement.
>>>
>>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
>>> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
>>> barely 600mm, if that.
>>>
>>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>>>
>>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant
>>> force?
>>
>> At argos.com, generally Bosch are 598mm, Haier 56cm, and Miele 596mm.
>> I'd check at the manufacturer's websites for better accuracy. However,
>> one certain way would be if you've got a Curry's nearby (or other
>> retailer). Take a tape measure along and check the width of the washing
>> machines on display yourself.
>
> That looks like the way I will have to go.
>
> If I don't get it right, I wonder how ridiculous it would be
> trying to gain a little more space.
>
> The kitchen layout is shown here:
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=20423997331&set=a.20423847331>
>
> The arrangement is sink, dishwasher, washing machine, unit. The
> unit is only about 300 mm deep. Could I reduce its 15mm chipboard
> side thickness, in situ, by a couple of mm? I think I would have
> to buy something new to do it - maybe router or power plane?

A power plane would do it, but as you'll be taking off the melamine
facing layer you're open to weakening the chipboard and possibly
allowing damp to enter. I think you'd be better off getting a washing
machine that fits the space. It might be worth checking the width of the
current space top and bottom, front and back, just to ensure that
whatever you buy will fit. When I replaced the washing machine in our
kitchen, I found it wouldn't fit because the front-bottom was 10mm
narrower than front-top, where I'd measured! Fortunately I was able to
move the bottom of the dividing chipboard out 10mm.

--

Jeff

On 21/11/2023 17:55, alan_m wrote:
> On 21/11/2023 17:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Fuck all use if you don't have a faeces book account
>>
>
> Even if you do "the content isn't available"
>
>
>
They stole it already?

--
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urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

Jeff Layman wrote:

> I don't have a facebook account and I had no problem viewing the photos.

Initially I couldn't see them, but seems to have been fixed.

Jeff Layman wrote:

>On 21/11/2023 16:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:

>> If I don't get it right, I wonder how ridiculous it would be
>> trying to gain a little more space.
>>
>> The kitchen layout is shown here:
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=20423997331&set=a.20423847331>
>>
>> The arrangement is sink, dishwasher, washing machine, unit. The
>> unit is only about 300 mm deep. Could I reduce its 15mm chipboard
>> side thickness, in situ, by a couple of mm? I think I would have
>> to buy something new to do it - maybe router or power plane?
>
>A power plane would do it, but as you'll be taking off the melamine
>facing layer you're open to weakening the chipboard and possibly
>allowing damp to enter. I think you'd be better off getting a washing
>machine that fits the space. It might be worth checking the width of the
>current space top and bottom, front and back, just to ensure that
>whatever you buy will fit. When I replaced the washing machine in our
>kitchen, I found it wouldn't fit because the front-bottom was 10mm
>narrower than front-top, where I'd measured! Fortunately I was able to
>move the bottom of the dividing chipboard out 10mm.

I have to agree with you. The trouble is that, even if I am able
to see one that seems suitable, generally it won't be that one
that gets shipped to me, and how many manufacturers are willing
to guarantee their dimensions to the mm?

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

On 21/11/2023 19:48, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>
>> On 21/11/2023 16:34, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
>>> If I don't get it right, I wonder how ridiculous it would be
>>> trying to gain a little more space.
>>>
>>> The kitchen layout is shown here:
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=20423997331&set=a.20423847331>
>>>
>>> The arrangement is sink, dishwasher, washing machine, unit. The
>>> unit is only about 300 mm deep. Could I reduce its 15mm chipboard
>>> side thickness, in situ, by a couple of mm? I think I would have
>>> to buy something new to do it - maybe router or power plane?
>>
>> A power plane would do it, but as you'll be taking off the melamine
>> facing layer you're open to weakening the chipboard and possibly
>> allowing damp to enter. I think you'd be better off getting a washing
>> machine that fits the space. It might be worth checking the width of the
>> current space top and bottom, front and back, just to ensure that
>> whatever you buy will fit. When I replaced the washing machine in our
>> kitchen, I found it wouldn't fit because the front-bottom was 10mm
>> narrower than front-top, where I'd measured! Fortunately I was able to
>> move the bottom of the dividing chipboard out 10mm.
>
> I have to agree with you. The trouble is that, even if I am able
> to see one that seems suitable, generally it won't be that one
> that gets shipped to me, and how many manufacturers are willing
> to guarantee their dimensions to the mm?

I'd be very surprised if the dimensions varied by more than a fraction
of a mm. The machines would be very tightly specced and some would be
assembled automatically. The robots couldn't deal with screws a mm or
two out of where they are supposed to be. I reckon you could measure
dozens of machines and not find any difference between them.

You could always go to the shop and ask for the display model that you'd
measured!

--

Jeff

On 21/11/2023 17:55, alan_m wrote:
> On 21/11/2023 17:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Fuck all use if you don't have a faeces book account
>>
>
> Even if you do "the content isn't available"

It shows for me.

On Monday, 20 November 2023 at 16:18:32 UTC, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit,
> and is pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is
> barely 600mm, if that.

The ones described as 'integrated' all seem to be 595

Owain

SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
> On 21/11/2023 17:55, alan_m wrote:
>> On 21/11/2023 17:22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Fuck all use if you don't have a faeces book account
>>>
>>
>> Even if you do "the content isn't available"
>
> It shows for me.
>

I think Facebook was having a glitch. I couldn’t see it and kept being
invited to log in with the wrong ID. Working now.

Tim

--
Please don't feed the trolls

On 21/11/2023 19:48, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> I have to agree with you. The trouble is that, even if I am able
> to see one that seems suitable, generally it won't be that one
> that gets shipped to me, and how many manufacturers are willing
> to guarantee their dimensions to the mm?

Ebac are.

Buy direct from them.

I don't think you realise that even the worst sheet mntal press is
repeatable to less than a mm.

--
“when things get difficult you just have to lie”

― Jean Claud Jüncker

On 2023-11-20, Jethro_uk wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 16:45:03 +0000, charles wrote:
>
>> In article <c51nliptpi885744idjcjd65thd9u0prqo@4ax.com>,
>> Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
>>> My existing washing machine is a built-in model, 15 years old, and
>>> failed today. I'm not keen on spending anything on one that old, so
>>> need a replacement.
>>
>>> It is installed very tightly between the dishwasher and a unit, and is
>>> pretty much an interference fit in the gap, which is barely 600mm, if
>>> that.
>>
>>> Ideally I need one with a max width of 595mm, but I don't know of
>>> anybody who quotes much besides the standard 600mm.
>>
>>> Any bright ideas, apart from liberal lubrication and significant force?
>>
>> Go into Currys with a tape measure
>
> I once did that with a piece of cardboard bread-sized.
>
> It confirmed that nothing they sold toasted bread properly. However you
> could have your useless toaster in any colour you liked.

The range of toasters is especially bad if you want to do bagels or
pittas.

On 2023-11-22, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 21/11/2023 19:48, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> I have to agree with you. The trouble is that, even if I am able
>> to see one that seems suitable, generally it won't be that one
>> that gets shipped to me, and how many manufacturers are willing
>> to guarantee their dimensions to the mm?
>
> Ebac are.
>
> Buy direct from them.
>
> I don't think you realise that even the worst sheet mntal press is
> repeatable to less than a mm.

Wow, a 7-year warranty and a 28-minute quick programme!

(It's too bad they don't make combined washer-dryers.)

Adam Funk wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Ebac
>
> (It's too bad they don't make combined washer-dryers.)

Yeah, given that they make dehumidifiers, I'm surprised they don't sell
washer-dryers, all they seem to offer is some sort of clothes drying
tent to use in the same room as a dehumidifier.