https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html

Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.

Andrew

Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
>
> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
>
> Andrew
>
>

To be fair to them it looks like the fibre installation is being done “on
the cheap” with wooden poles in the streets which don’t look like they’ve
had overhead wires before. I’d be a bit annoyed about a change from buried
services to overhead ones.

In my neck of the woods where there haven’t been overhead wires, cable
ducts have been installed in the pavements. Where connections were
previously overhead, they’re substituting fibre for wire.

Tim

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On 22/11/2023 12:55, Tim+ wrote:
> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
>>
>> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
>> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>
> To be fair to them it looks like the fibre installation is being done “on
> the cheap” with wooden poles in the streets which don’t look like they’ve
> had overhead wires before. I’d be a bit annoyed about a change from buried
> services to overhead ones.
>
> In my neck of the woods where there haven’t been overhead wires, cable
> ducts have been installed in the pavements. Where connections were
> previously overhead, they’re substituting fibre for wire.
>
> Tim
>

It's odd how it works round here. Some roads have buried telephone
cables, and some have overhead cables. It seems to be arbitrary.

On 22/11/2023 13:16, GB wrote:
> It's odd how it works round here. Some roads have buried telephone
> cables, and some have overhead cables. It seems to be arbitrary.

It is all historical. All new shit is underground. Legacy is above. My
intsallation is all underground till it gets to my house...then its up a
pole to cross the road.

--
"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
> >
> > Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
> > compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.

I wonder if there's something different in the way operators get access to
KCOM ducts rather than BT/Openreach ones.

In the last pic there's a new pole which appears to be right next to an
existing pole (with wires) and they are the same height.

It looks like the area has a lot of existing poles, at least in the
older-looking parts.

> To be fair to them it looks like the fibre installation is being done “on
> the cheap” with wooden poles in the streets which don’t look like they’ve
> had overhead wires before. I’d be a bit annoyed about a change from buried
> services to overhead ones.

Sometimes tall poles need to be installed because the existing ones don't
offer enough clearance to cross the carriageway - eg if you have a bungalow
close to the pavement, the wire will terminate at a height of about 2.5m,
which is not enough to get a lorry under. Hence they have to install a tall
pole on the other side with a steeply sloping wire so the part of the wire
over the road is of sufficient height.

Theo

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:16:34 +0000
GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/11/2023 12:55, Tim+ wrote:
> > Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
> >>
> >> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
> >> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >
> > To be fair to them it looks like the fibre installation is being
> > done “on the cheap” with wooden poles in the streets which don’t
> > look like they’ve had overhead wires before. I’d be a bit annoyed
> > about a change from buried services to overhead ones.
> >
> > In my neck of the woods where there haven’t been overhead wires,
> > cable ducts have been installed in the pavements. Where
> > connections were previously overhead, they’re substituting fibre
> > for wire.
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> It's odd how it works round here. Some roads have buried telephone
> cables, and some have overhead cables. It seems to be arbitrary.

There are still a couple of parts of a London borough with overhead
power cables.

--
Joe

On 22/11/2023 14:13, Theo wrote:
> Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
>>>
>>> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
>>> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
>
> I wonder if there's something different in the way operators get access to
> KCOM ducts rather than BT/Openreach ones.

Ofcom decided in 2021 not to require KCOM to give competitors access to
its ducts.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 22/11/2023 14:23, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:16:34 +0000
> GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 22/11/2023 12:55, Tim+ wrote:
>>> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
>>>> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> To be fair to them it looks like the fibre installation is being
>>> done “on the cheap” with wooden poles in the streets which don’t
>>> look like they’ve had overhead wires before. I’d be a bit annoyed
>>> about a change from buried services to overhead ones.
>>>
>>> In my neck of the woods where there haven’t been overhead wires,
>>> cable ducts have been installed in the pavements. Where
>>> connections were previously overhead, they’re substituting fibre
>>> for wire.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>
>> It's odd how it works round here. Some roads have buried telephone
>> cables, and some have overhead cables. It seems to be arbitrary.
>
> There are still a couple of parts of a London borough with overhead
> power cables.
>
Its all overhead power cables round here except where we paid to have
them put underground

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On 22/11/2023 12:55, Tim+ wrote:
> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
>>
>> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
>> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>
> To be fair to them it looks like the fibre installation is being done “on
> the cheap” with wooden poles in the streets which don’t look like they’ve
> had overhead wires before. I’d be a bit annoyed about a change from buried
> services to overhead ones.
>
> In my neck of the woods where there haven’t been overhead wires, cable
> ducts have been installed in the pavements. Where connections were
> previously overhead, they’re substituting fibre for wire.
>
> Tim
>

A quick check with google suggests that plonking a pole on
an exsting open plan estate where all services are underground
could be the default option for the competitors, as this
article from Surrey shows

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/areas-tall-telegraph-poles-built-24333341

and this

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/07/anger-over-netomnias-use-of-telegraph-poles-in-uk-fttp-builds.html

On Tuesday, 21 November 2023 at 19:09:49 UTC, Andrew wrote:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.

Where I (used to) live all the phones were ducted underground, but they had to put a pole in because the duct was damaged and 'back feed' the fibre from the wrong end of the street.

Now of course my building is cordoned off (see thread about RAAC) so they can't connect anything up anyway.

Owain

Robin <rbw@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 22/11/2023 14:13, Theo wrote:
> > Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12775913/Hull-vandals-chop-broadband-pole.html
> >>>
> >>> Oh dear. I knew that Hull was a bit different telephonically
> >>> compared to everywhere else, but this seems a bit drastic.
> >
> > I wonder if there's something different in the way operators get access to
> > KCOM ducts rather than BT/Openreach ones.
>
> Ofcom decided in 2021 not to require KCOM to give competitors access to
> its ducts.

That would explain why they're installing new poles in Hull, if they're not
allowed to use the KCOM ones.

Theo