I do believe that it was all about denying any possible inclusion of
Ukraine within NATO and Russian desire for a geographic buffer zone
against Europe by countries sympathetic to a neutral action.

This fact has been reinforced by Russian reactions against NATO
inclusions of Finland and Sweden as bordering countries.

It was that total refusal as denial of reality by the Ukrainian
president which then has brought the invasion consequence as blood on
your own hands.

The historical precedent is the Cuban Missile Crisis, when leaders of
the U.S. and the Soviet Union engaged in a tense, 13-day political and
military standoff in October 1962 over the installation of nuclear-armed
Soviet missiles on Cuba, just 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The crisis was defused when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev agreed to
dismantle and remove the nuclear weapons in return for a pledge by U.S.
President John F. Kennedy not to reinvade the Communist island.

There is no resolution to the conflict until a proper recognition is
given to its APRIORITY cause.

On 26/2/2022 15:13, dolf wrote:
> According to media reports U.S. intelligence officials are worried the
> Ukrainian capitol of Kyiv could fall within days.
>
> There are estimates of 5 million potential refugees.
>
> However if Russia deploys a “father of all bombs” will this then exasperate
> the number of refugees?
>
> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Day one passed and KYIV is now the target.
>>
>> And think of the cost of rebuilding which will put UKRAINE in poverty for
>> decades.
>>
>> There is no loss of national pride in capitulation—just ask the French
>> since they have no shame.
>>
>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> And will you then have to impose equivalent sanctions on Ukraine?
>>>
>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The Dutch have a sensibility about such things.
>>>>
>>>> How long will it take for Ukraine to capitulate?
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Schadenfreude.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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*Ask Prof Wolff: Population Growth & Social Security*
/Democracy At Work/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2tGq6k5I7I&ab_channel=DemocracyAtWork>

"A Patron of Economic Update asks: "I have heard various politicians,
from both left and right, argue that to “look after” an aging population
there is a requirement for population growth. The premise of the argument
being that there needs to be sufficient numbers of working age people to
fund those that have retired. My assumption is that it's not possible to
have continual and perpetual population growth, simply because there must
come a time when our planet cannot sustain the numbers. What is your view
on the argument that there needs to be population growth to fund an aging
population, and do you consider my assumption to be reasonable?"

This is Professor Richard Wolff's video response."
~~

As per usual the never ending cycles of infinite growth that underpins
our now fully unleashed unbridled neo-liberal capitalist system
throughout the Anglophone sphere of influence, all that on a finite
planet, leads us to an ultimately inevitable disaster instead of
resolving those real problems our society is facing.
The idea of adding more people to solve the problem of the rapidly
increasing old age population just makes things even worse.

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*EGALITÉ*
*FRATERNITÉ*
*SOLIDARITÉ*

*Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
/RichardDWolff/

"In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in on how
nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to justify
illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never been
successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these sanctions
will only come back to hurt the US economy."
~~~
~~~

Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
war...hardly!

Just take a good guess!
Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the weapon
manufacturers.

--
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*LIBERTÉ*
*EGALITÉ*
*FRATERNITÉ*
*SOLIDARITÉ*

*Ördög* wrote:

> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
> /RichardDWolff/

Ooops...

Here is the missing link:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bO79IXjYH8&ab_channel=RichardDWolff>

>
> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in on
> how nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to
> justify illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never
> been successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these
> sanctions will only come back to hurt the US economy."
> ~~~
> ~~~
>
> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
> war...hardly!
>
> Just take a good guess!
> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the weapon
> manufacturers.

--
Ördög
*LIBERTÉ*
*EGALITÉ*
*FRATERNITÉ*
*SOLIDARITÉ*

I got a good laugh out of these chappies about their 'knowledge' about
Captain Cook (you can stop watching after 5 and a half minutes).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GPCmm1F3o

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
<Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:

>*Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>/RichardDWolff/
>
>"In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
>Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in on how
>nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to justify
>illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never been
>successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these sanctions
>will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>~~~
>~~~
>
>Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
>war...hardly!
>
>Just take a good guess!
>Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the weapon
>manufacturers.

The winner will be China

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:02:35 +1100, Matt <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
> <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>> /RichardDWolff/
>>
>> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
>> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in on
>> how
>> nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to
>> justify
>> illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never been
>> successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these sanctions
>> will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>> ~~~
>> ~~~
>>
>> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
>> war...hardly!
>>
>> Just take a good guess!
>> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
>> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the weapon
>> manufacturers.
>
> The winner will be China

Unlikely, it doesn't export any energy at all.

Petz

/ This post was AI autocleaned to remove some virulent retarded troll
poster inputs /
Original context restored -- tough cookie Petz dear!
************************
*Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation* /RichardDWolff/

"In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in on how nations
have often stoked fear of threats to national security to justify illegal
international intervention and how sanctions have never been successful.
Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these sanctions will only come
back to hurt the US economy."
~~~
Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
war...hardly!
Just take a good guess!
Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the weapon
manufacturers.
*********************

> The will of Joe Biden nothing to stop them.

Whataboutist moronic anti Biden crap.

This thread has fucking little to do with Biden, Petz dear, but all to do
with those creeps who profit from wars and unnecessarily bloodshed.

Yes, Biden could do some tweaking around the edges but to completely stop
rampant price gauging by shameless capitalists rip-off merchants he has
zero legal ability to implement.
If only he had the power to freeze all prices for now...but he can't as
the US is a neo-liberal, neo-libertarian shithole.

Yes, Biden could try reducing defence spending and stopping all military
aid for this particular escalating drawn out proxy war, but he won't as
the corporate military establishment will never allow it.

The longer the fighting continues in Ukraine the more people, both
military personnel and civilians get killed and more and more civil
infrastructure gets damaged beyond repair. There are NO real winners
there no matter what the final outcome is.
This stupid war must stop ASAP.!

> foxnews.com

Fuck, you are totally Murdoched by this kind of invented crap.

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic sig:

> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate Joe Biden's ability
> to f**k things up.

Which alt-right sewer do you get such crazy ideas from, Petz dear?

Utter bullshit. W/o Obama's intervention in the presidential candidate
selection process Biden would not have won against other candidates like
Bernie Sanders. Even now, Obama is still backing everything the Biden
administration is doing.

You are a fucking moron!

> Trump was never running against Biden.

The hell he was not. And he lost fucking big time. (YAY)
That is why he needed to invent "voter fraud" as an excuse both for
himself and his idiotic fanatical and deranged MAGA cult followers (like
you for instance.

The only voter fraud clearly confirmed to date was committed by deranged
Trump cultists like you.

> The Democrats First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
> Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity

No such bill exist out in the real world.
However there are plenty of GOP bills already passed to changing
electoral boundaries for their own advantage, implementing sever voter
list purging and vote/voter suppression and the stacking vote
certification procedures with GOP hacks.

> The left loathes Trump

All sane, rational and civilised person hates Trump, that corrupt,
criminal, racist, misogynist, neo-fascist and horribly narcissistic
conman.

> so much it totally blinds them to anything he says,

Luckily Trump critiques and opponents aren't blind to Trump's vile hate
mongering rhetoric stuffed full of idiocy, inaccuracies, science denialism
and demagogy. Only his cult members are blind to facts and reason.

> even when what he
> says could potentially save thousands of lives.

BULLSHIT
But he is definitely responsible for hundreds of thousand of unnecessary
deaths under his watch.

> Amazing where in America a lifetime of lying, thieving, fraud and
> cheating will take you in politics?

> Joe Biden's son, zero track record

You are off to the fairies again in goonbags' fumes land!
Biden's son had bugger all to do with the presidency, he never had nor
ever will have any role in government ... so who the fuck cares what
the fuck he did or does. Nor do I care what his butler does during his
private time nor how many times his dog pees on the carpet.

/ snip some disgusting verbal vomit/

> Corruption ...

....is rampant in both of the two major parties in the USA, but by far more
dominating amongst the Republicans.

> Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
> her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United
> States
> --Fact check THAT.

No need. Your QAnon derived slandering hatemonger bullshit don't need to
be checked.

😜️
~~

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Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables:

- idiots like Petz and his bunch of home grown OZ crazies

- All LNP propaganda drones like assorted LJH family of
sock- and meat-puppets for instance that gutter trash quality
scumbag nymshifter creep Alvey, Mag00, Jonz, Rex Libris,
Henry Briggs, Louie braindeath, James somethin',
Birdies mounting Johnny, Kosmo, West of sanity,
plus all those stolen nyms, etc, etc, etc ...

- All septic trash trolls from that never been great US of A,
specially including Petz's current septic boyfriends like
Matt B. the brain dead alt-right Bouncer Boi..

- and randomly blown-in Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

Having just heard the first news @ 0515 hours it seems that our
appraisal of cause for conflict being a "denial of any possible
inclusion of Ukraine within NATO and Russian desire for a geographic
buffer zone against Europe by countries sympathetic to a neutral action."

Is a correct assessment.

Whether Ukrainian membership of the EU would not appear to ourselves to
be a resolution to the problem.

- dolf

On 1/3/2022 03:43, dolf wrote:
> There was a peace meeting being held earlier today as the fifth day and I
> would think that if those REDLINES are valid then it will FINALLY be
> spelled out to the Ukrainians.
>
> And they will cease pretending they are not important as delusional mindset
> and start dealing with reality.
>
> Those REDLINES were clearly conveyed to both the Americans and NATO before
> the conflict started.
>
> We are still waiting for the news cycle to convey the meeting details to
> know what is the crux of the problem as conflict.
>
> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> After several days we return again to our grounding media contrasting
>> opinion relative to the possibility of capitulation:
>>
>> Namely that there is no resolution to the conflict until a proper
>> recognition is given to its APRIORITY cause.
>>
>> As denial of any possible inclusion of Ukraine within NATO and Russian
>> desire for a geographic buffer zone against Europe by countries
>> sympathetic to a neutral action.
>>
>> And we note that such a notion that it’s total refusal as denial of reality
>> by the Ukrainian president which then has brought the invasion consequence.
>>
>> It has not subsequently entered the Ukrainian president’s mind that a such
>> recognition can bring resolution.
>>
>> Rather resolution is seen as only by means of conflict which is given
>> munitions by third parties which has a consequence of prolonging the
>> conflict which is driven by Ukrainian hatred rather than principle.
>>
>> The avenue of conflict is thought to be a means to earn EU membership.
>>
>> That the participation of the Russians has a lack of any clear impetus of
>> action given personnel were engaged in war games and then redirected to
>> conflict which is sustained by contrived objectives as absurd statements.
>>
>> There is no possibility of capitulation given since Ukraine has no concept
>> of APRIORITY cause and this has morphed into a rationalism over entitlement
>> as self justification.
>>
>> Thus from our media appraisals if there is no elimination of the Ukrainian
>> president then the matter of conflict will be of a protracted duration.
>>
>> dolf <dolfboek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I do believe that it was all about denying any possible inclusion of
>>> Ukraine within NATO and Russian desire for a geographic buffer zone
>>> against Europe by countries sympathetic to a neutral action.
>>>
>>> This fact has been reinforced by Russian reactions against NATO
>>> inclusions of Finland and Sweden as bordering countries.
>>>
>>> It was that total refusal as denial of reality by the Ukrainian
>>> president which then has brought the invasion consequence as blood on
>>> your own hands.
>>>
>>> The historical precedent is the Cuban Missile Crisis, when leaders of
>>> the U.S. and the Soviet Union engaged in a tense, 13-day political and
>>> military standoff in October 1962 over the installation of nuclear-armed
>>> Soviet missiles on Cuba, just 90 miles from U.S. shores.
>>>
>>> The crisis was defused when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev agreed to
>>> dismantle and remove the nuclear weapons in return for a pledge by U.S.
>>> President John F. Kennedy not to reinvade the Communist island.
>>>
>>> There is no resolution to the conflict until a proper recognition is
>>> given to its APRIORITY cause.
>>>
>>> On 26/2/2022 15:13, dolf wrote:
>>>> According to media reports U.S. intelligence officials are worried the
>>>> Ukrainian capitol of Kyiv could fall within days.
>>>>
>>>> There are estimates of 5 million potential refugees.
>>>>
>>>> However if Russia deploys a “father of all bombs” will this then exasperate
>>>> the number of refugees?
>>>>
>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Day one passed and KYIV is now the target.
>>>>>
>>>>> And think of the cost of rebuilding which will put UKRAINE in poverty for
>>>>> decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no loss of national pride in capitulation—just ask the French
>>>>> since they have no shame.
>>>>>
>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And will you then have to impose equivalent sanctions on Ukraine?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The Dutch have a sensibility about such things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How long will it take for Ukraine to capitulate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Schadenfreude.pdf>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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*Fact check: 5 fakes of the war in Ukraine | DW News*
/DW News/

"Ever since Russia attacked Ukraine, thousands of images and videos of
battle scenes have flooded the internet. But not everything is real - or
what it appears to be."
~~~

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*EGALITÉ*
*FRATERNITÉ*
*SOLIDARITÉ*

Ördög:

> *Fact check: 5 fakes of the war in Ukraine | DW News*
> /DW News/

Bugger! Left out the actual link yet again.
So here it is:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2F8nUi3oA&ab_channel=DWNews>

> "Ever since Russia attacked Ukraine, thousands of images and videos of
> battle scenes have flooded the internet. But not everything is real - or
> what it appears to be."
> ~~~

Not surprisingly the Mudoch media is the first to fall for such fakes.
Goes to show how little they care about proper journalism .

--
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*EGALITÉ*
*FRATERNITÉ*
*SOLIDARITÉ*

Why did Dutton’s GoFundMe go over like a lead balloon?
/Swollen Pickles/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ3z-ox01O8&ab_channel=SwollenPickles>
{ Video length: 5min 40sec }

"I take a look at why I think Peter Dutton’s fund raising effort may have
gone over like a lead balloon with many people, and it has nothing to do
with the act of fundraising what so ever. As a Senior member of the
Morrison Government, surely Dutton would have to know how much money the
Government has been sitting on when it comes to emergency response
funding?

Edit:
Lismore is represented by Labor in the State and the Nationals in Federal
government."

~~~

The LNP and those creeps at its top demonstrate how calculated stupid
dumb-right politics coupled to ruthless political power can become.

--
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Want to see the most spiteful nasties of Australian politics?
Here I show you:

Just look no farther than the Liberal Party of Australia and
its dumb coalition partner:

This is their fundamental ideology (if one can call it that):
Capitalist neo-liberal/libertarian lies and alternate reality,
Lack of compassion for the already downtrodden,
Sociopathic greed & envy,
Endemic nepotistic and plutocratic corruption,
Vicious hunger for power and "born to rule mentality",
Xtian fundamentalism
Never ending misogyny & homophobia
Undeniable Anglo-Celtic racism and supremacy,
Unbridled hate for the underclasses,
Unrelenting vengeance seeking against political opponents...

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 03:45:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:02:35 +1100, Matt <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
>>> <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>>>> /RichardDWolff/
>>>>
>>>> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
>>>> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in on
>>>> how
>>>> nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to
>>>> justify
>>>> illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never been
>>>> successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these sanctions
>>>> will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>>>> ~~~
>>>> ~~~
>>>>
>>>> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
>>>> war...hardly!
>>>>
>>>> Just take a good guess!
>>>> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
>>>> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>>>> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the
>>>> weapon
>>>> manufacturers.
>>>
>>> The winner will be China
>>
>> Unlikely, it doesn't export any energy at all.

> No it just helps with the sanctions

Not surpriing given the recent reproachment between those two.

> and gives Putin a financial aid

Bullshit china does.

> and also helps at the UN. When you see the label 'Made in China' what
> it should read is 'buy and aid Putin aggressions'.

More of your mindless bullshit. Xi has in fact done
plenty of his own with Tibet and now HongKong.

On 1/03/2022 7:42 am, *Ördög* wrote:
> Ördög:
>
>> *Fact check: 5 fakes of the war in Ukraine | DW News*
>> /DW News/
>
> Bugger! Left out the actual link yet again.
> So here it is:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2F8nUi3oA&ab_channel=DWNews>
>
>> "Ever since Russia attacked Ukraine, thousands of images and videos of
>> battle scenes have flooded the internet. But not everything is real - or
>> what it appears to be."
>> ~~~
>
> Not surprisingly the Mudoch media is the first to fall for such fakes.
> Goes to show how little they care about proper journalism .

???????? There is no mention of any Murdoch media in your link.

It was written by Fran:

> Ördög
>> Ördög:
>>
>>> *Fact check: 5 fakes of the war in Ukraine | DW News*
>>> /DW News/
>>
>> Bugger! Left out the actual link yet again.
>> So here it is:
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2F8nUi3oA&ab_channel=DWNews>
>>
>>> "Ever since Russia attacked Ukraine, thousands of images and videos of
>>> battle scenes have flooded the internet. But not everything is real -
>>> or what it appears to be."
>>> ~~~
>>
>> Not surprisingly the Mudoch media is the first to fall for such fakes.
>> Goes to show how little they care about proper journalism .
>
>
> ???????? There is no mention of any Murdoch media in your link.

True.
The article was about actually fact checked material by Deutsche Welle.
These are examples for a multitude of videos and other material
intentionally propping up one or the other side's propaganda narrative in
this horrible conflict. The basic massage here is to take everything one
sees in both on social and in conventional media with a very critical
cautious approach. Of course, that should always be the case, but now
with this World wide politically very sensitive war going on extra
caution and scrutiny is needed.
By just looking at the bulk of recent headlines I can tell that the
Murdoch media only cares about delivering propaganda and sensationalism
at all costs, bugger the properly researched journalism.

--
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Want to see the most spiteful nasties of Australian politics?
Here I show you:

Just look no farther than the Liberal Party of Australia and
its dumb coalition partner:

This is their fundamental ideology (if one can call it that):
Capitalist neo-liberal/libertarian lies and alternate reality,
Lack of compassion for the already downtrodden,
Sociopathic greed & envy,
Endemic nepotistic and plutocratic corruption,
Vicious hunger for power and "born to rule mentality",
Xtian fundamentalism
Never ending misogyny & homophobia
Undeniable Anglo-Celtic racism and supremacy,
Unbridled hate for the underclasses,
Unrelenting vengeance seeking against political opponents...

aving just heard details of the Belarus peace talks on the first news @
0515 hours on 1 MARCH 2022 it seems that our appraisal of cause for
conflict being a "denial of any possible inclusion of Ukraine within
NATO and Russian desire for a geographic buffer zone against Europe by
countries sympathetic to a neutral action."

Is a correct assessment.

<https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220301_01/>

We note that whilst Japanese news (NHK Tokyo) could convey “denial of
any possible inclusion of Ukraine within NATO” being confirmation as to
the APRIORITY CAUSE of the conflict, that German news (DW) could not
make any such claim, French news (FRANCE24) then sought to redefine what
is meant by REDLINES and AL JAZEERA similarly omitted the fact by
instead obfuscating with every other imaginable detail which is probably
due to their denial of any European accountability for the conflict.

As if two world wars are not sufficient for them.

If the world powers were to unequivocally say NO to the "possibility
inclusion of Ukraine within NATO”, then much of the impetus for the
Russian / Ukraine conflict would immediately be over--instead Europe is
committed to the path of a proxy war by supply of munitions for conflict.

That protests against Russian aggression on our APRIORITY CAUSE basis is
then entirely delusional and ought to be more appropriately directed
against both America and the European Union with its dire geo-political
non-buffered problem.

Clearly by its involvement within NATO, and accountability over any
“denial of any possible inclusion of Ukraine within NATO” that America
'as a lamb which speaks a dragon' has blood on its hands and hence is
why we ought to actively resist their internet militia propaganda
irrespective of their "f@ck Trump' or "let's go Brandon" mantras as
Punch / Judy show and democracy pantomime.

Initial Post: 1 March 2022

>>>
>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> After several days we return again to our grounding media contrasting
>>>> opinion relative to the possibility of capitulation:
>>>>
>>>> Namely that there is no resolution to the conflict until a proper
>>>> recognition is given to its APRIORITY cause.
>>>>
>>>> As denial of any possible inclusion of Ukraine within NATO and Russian
>>>> desire for a geographic buffer zone against Europe by countries
>>>> sympathetic to a neutral action.
>>>>
>>>> And we note that such a notion that it’s total refusal as denial of reality
>>>> by the Ukrainian president which then has brought the invasion consequence.
>>>>
>>>> It has not subsequently entered the Ukrainian president’s mind that a such
>>>> recognition can bring resolution.
>>>>
>>>> Rather resolution is seen as only by means of conflict which is given
>>>> munitions by third parties which has a consequence of prolonging the
>>>> conflict which is driven by Ukrainian hatred rather than principle.
>>>>
>>>> The avenue of conflict is thought to be a means to earn EU membership.
>>>>
>>>> That the participation of the Russians has a lack of any clear impetus of
>>>> action given personnel were engaged in war games and then redirected to
>>>> conflict which is sustained by contrived objectives as absurd statements.
>>>>
>>>> There is no possibility of capitulation given since Ukraine has no concept
>>>> of APRIORITY cause and this has morphed into a rationalism over entitlement
>>>> as self justification.
>>>>
>>>> Thus from our media appraisals if there is no elimination of the Ukrainian
>>>> president then the matter of conflict will be of a protracted duration.
>>>>
>>>> dolf <dolfboek@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I do believe that it was all about denying any possible inclusion of
>>>>> Ukraine within NATO and Russian desire for a geographic buffer zone
>>>>> against Europe by countries sympathetic to a neutral action.
>>>>>
>>>>> This fact has been reinforced by Russian reactions against NATO
>>>>> inclusions of Finland and Sweden as bordering countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was that total refusal as denial of reality by the Ukrainian
>>>>> president which then has brought the invasion consequence as blood on
>>>>> your own hands.
>>>>>
>>>>> The historical precedent is the Cuban Missile Crisis, when leaders of
>>>>> the U.S. and the Soviet Union engaged in a tense, 13-day political and
>>>>> military standoff in October 1962 over the installation of nuclear-armed
>>>>> Soviet missiles on Cuba, just 90 miles from U.S. shores.
>>>>>
>>>>> The crisis was defused when Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev agreed to
>>>>> dismantle and remove the nuclear weapons in return for a pledge by U.S.
>>>>> President John F. Kennedy not to reinvade the Communist island.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no resolution to the conflict until a proper recognition is
>>>>> given to its APRIORITY cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/2/2022 15:13, dolf wrote:
>>>>>> According to media reports U.S. intelligence officials are worried the
>>>>>> Ukrainian capitol of Kyiv could fall within days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are estimates of 5 million potential refugees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However if Russia deploys a “father of all bombs” will this then exasperate
>>>>>> the number of refugees?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Day one passed and KYIV is now the target.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And think of the cost of rebuilding which will put UKRAINE in poverty for
>>>>>>> decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no loss of national pride in capitulation—just ask the French
>>>>>>> since they have no shame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And will you then have to impose equivalent sanctions on Ukraine?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Dutch have a sensibility about such things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How long will it take for Ukraine to capitulate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.grapple369.com/Groundwork/Schadenfreude.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:06:27 +1100, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:39:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 03:45:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:02:35 +1100, Matt <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
>>>>> <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>>>>>> /RichardDWolff/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
>>>>>> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to
>>>>>> justify
>>>>>> illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never been
>>>>>> successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these
>>>>>> sanctions
>>>>>> will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
>>>>>> war...hardly!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just take a good guess!
>>>>>> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
>>>>>> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>>>>>> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the
>>>>>> weapon
>>>>>> manufacturers.
>>>>>
>>>>> The winner will be China
>>>>
>>>> Unlikely, it doesn't export any energy at all.
>>
>>> No it just helps with the sanctions
>>
>> Not surpriing given the recent reproachment between those two.
>>
>>> and gives Putin a financial aid
>>
>> Bullshit china does.
>
> That is what I said China does.

You are just plain wrong about that.

>>> and also helps at the UN. When you see the label 'Made in China' what
>>> it should read is 'buy and aid Putin aggressions'.
>>
>> More of your mindless bullshit. Xi has in fact done
>> plenty of his own with Tibet and now HongKong.
>
> True but that distraction doesn't change the fact they have aided
> Putin at the UN.

No they have not. The most they have done is agree with him on some issues.

Petz

/ This post was AI autocleaned to remove some virulent retarded troll
poster inputs /
/ snip more wanker crap manually /

> Biden Handed over Intelligence to China on Ukraine, China Gave It to
> Russia.

He dead NO such thing.

/snip alt-right sewers link for a good measure/

Concocted MAGA cultist B U L L S H I T !

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic sig:

> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate Joe Biden's ability
> to f**k things up.

Which alt-right sewer do you get such crazy ideas from, Petz dear?

Utter bullshit. W/o Obama's intervention in the presidential candidate
selection process Biden would not have won against other candidates like
Bernie Sanders. Even now, Obama is still backing everything the Biden
administration is doing.
You are a fucking moron!

> Trump was never running against Biden.

The hell he was not. And he lost fucking big time. (YAY)
That is why he needed to invent "voter fraud" as an excuse both for
himself and his idiotic fanatical and deranged MAGA cult followers (like
you for instance.

The only voter fraud clearly confirmed to date was committed by deranged
Trump cultists like you.

> The Democrats First Bill of 2021 Is to Lock In
> Fraudulent Election Maneuvers and Steal Elections in Perpetuity

It is now 2022!
No such bill exist out in the real world.
However there are plenty of GOP bills already passed to changing
electoral boundaries for their own advantage, implementing sever voter
list purging and vote/voter suppression and the stacking vote
certification procedures with GOP hacks.

> The left loathes Trump

All sane, rational and civilised person hates Trump, that corrupt,
criminal, racist, misogynist, neo-fascist and horribly narcissistic
conman.

> so much it totally blinds them to anything he says,

Luckily Trump critiques and opponents aren't blind to Trump's vile hate
mongering rhetoric stuffed full of idiocy, inaccuracies, science denialism
and demagogy. Only his cult members are blind to facts and reason.

> even when what he
> says could potentially save thousands of lives.

BULLSHIT
But he is definitely responsible for hundreds of thousand of unnecessary
deaths under his watch.

> Amazing where in America a lifetime of lying, thieving, fraud and
> cheating will take you in politics?

> Joe Biden's son, zero track record

You are off to the fairies again in goonbags' fumes land!
Biden's son had bugger all to do with the presidency, he never had nor
ever will have any role in government ... so who the fuck cares what
the fuck he did or does. Nor do I care what his butler does during his
private time nor how many times his dog pees on the carpet.

/ snip some disgusting verbal vomit/

> Corruption ...

....is rampant in both of the two major parties in the USA, but by far more
dominating amongst the Republicans.

> Somewhere out there is a 2-year-old girl whose mother is a stripper,
> her father is a crackhead and her grandpa is President of the United
> States
> --Fact check THAT.

No need. Your QAnon derived slandering hatemonger bullshit don't need to
be checked.

😜️
~~

--
Ördög - 👹️ - your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark.......
Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables:

- idiots like Petz and his bunch of home grown OZ crazies

- All LNP propaganda drones like assorted LJH family of
sock- and meat-puppets for instance that gutter trash quality
scumbag nymshifter creep Alvey, Mag00, Jonz, Rex Libris,
Henry Briggs, Louie braindeath, James somethin',
Birdies mounting Johnny, Kosmo, West of sanity,
plus all those stolen nyms, etc, etc, etc ...

- All septic trash trolls from that never been great US of A,
specially including Petz's current septic boyfriends like
Matt B. the brain dead alt-right Bouncer Boi..

- and randomly blown-in Goggle Groups trolls.

They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 12:46:14 +1100, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:46:48 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 13:06:27 +1100, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:39:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 03:45:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:02:35 +1100, Matt <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
>>>>>>> <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>>>>>>>> /RichardDWolff/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion of
>>>>>>>> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing in
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to
>>>>>>>> justify
>>>>>>>> illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these
>>>>>>>> sanctions
>>>>>>>> will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>>>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of this
>>>>>>>> war...hardly!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just take a good guess!
>>>>>>>> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
>>>>>>>> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>>>>>>>> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the
>>>>>>>> weapon
>>>>>>>> manufacturers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The winner will be China
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlikely, it doesn't export any energy at all.
>>>>
>>>>> No it just helps with the sanctions
>>>>
>>>> Not surpriing given the recent reproachment between those two.
>>>>
>>>>> and gives Putin a financial aid
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit china does.
>>>
>>> That is what I said China does.
>>
>> You are just plain wrong about that.
>>
>>>>> and also helps at the UN. When you see the label 'Made in China'
>>>>> what
>>>>> it should read is 'buy and aid Putin aggressions'.
>>>>
>>>> More of your mindless bullshit. Xi has in fact done
>>>> plenty of his own with Tibet and now HongKong.
>>>
>>> True but that distraction doesn't change the fact they have aided
>>> Putin at the UN.
>>
>> No they have not. The most they have done is agree with him on some
>> issues.

> Have the condemned the attack?

Nope, but that isnt aiding Putin in the UN. In fact the UN has
been silent on the invasion of the Ukraine.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 13:18:11 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 17:46:51 -0800, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 14:24:35 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:06:27 -0800, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:39:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 03:45:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:02:35 +1100, Matt <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
>>>>>>>> <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>>>>>>>>> /RichardDWolff/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing
>>>>>>>>> in on
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security to
>>>>>>>>> justify
>>>>>>>>> illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these
>>>>>>>>> sanctions
>>>>>>>>> will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>>>>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> war...hardly!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just take a good guess!
>>>>>>>>> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
>>>>>>>>> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>>>>>>>>> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of the
>>>>>>>>> weapon
>>>>>>>>> manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The winner will be China
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unlikely, it doesn't export any energy at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No it just helps with the sanctions
>>>>>
>>>>> Not surpriing given the recent reproachment between those two.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and gives Putin a financial aid
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit china does.
>>>>
>>>> That is what I said China does.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and also helps at the UN. When you see the label 'Made in China'
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> it should read is 'buy and aid Putin aggressions'.
>>>>>
>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit. Xi has in fact done
>>>>> plenty of his own with Tibet and now HongKong.
>>>>
>>>> True but that distraction doesn't change the fact they have aided
>>>> Putin at the UN.
>>>>
>>> Biden Handed over Intelligence to China on Ukraine, China Gave It to
>>> Russia.
>>> <https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/us-intelligence-china-on-russia-troop-buildup-ukraine-china-shared-info-with-moscow/>
>>> https://t.ly/L6cZ
>>
>> Biden is a idiot. Afghanistan proved that.
>>
> This was proven long before Afghanistan
> https://youtu.be/mCJMF7mflGE
>
> Were shocked when Trump was selected, but couldn't believe Biden was
> his opposition!

Even the Dems realised that Hitlary had no chance and
that they had no one any better than that fool Biden.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 15:37:57 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 13:18:11 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 17:46:51 -0800, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 14:24:35 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 18:06:27 -0800, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Mar 2022 08:39:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 03:45:18 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 22:02:35 +1100, Matt <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:19:01 -0000 (UTC), *Ördög*
>>>>>>>>>> <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Wolff Responds: Ukraine, Sanctions, and Rising Inflation*
>>>>>>>>>>> /RichardDWolff/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In this Wolff Responds, Prof. Wolff looks at Russia’s invasion
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine from an economic and historical perspective by focusing
>>>>>>>>>>> in on
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> nations have often stoked fear of threats to national security
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> justify
>>>>>>>>>>> illegal international intervention and how sanctions have never
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> successful. Wolff goes on to reveal that way in which these
>>>>>>>>>>> sanctions
>>>>>>>>>>> will only come back to hurt the US economy."
>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>>>>>> ~~~
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think it is Putin who is going to be the big winner of
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> war...hardly!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just take a good guess!
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, the winners are...here it comes...(drum-roll)...
>>>>>>>>>>> corporations and billionaires in and outside of the US.
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, those holy profits...watch them grow...specially that of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> weapon
>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The winner will be China
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unlikely, it doesn't export any energy at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it just helps with the sanctions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not surpriing given the recent reproachment between those two.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and gives Putin a financial aid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit china does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what I said China does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and also helps at the UN. When you see the label 'Made in China'
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> it should read is 'buy and aid Putin aggressions'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit. Xi has in fact done
>>>>>>> plenty of his own with Tibet and now HongKong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True but that distraction doesn't change the fact they have aided
>>>>>> Putin at the UN.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Biden Handed over Intelligence to China on Ukraine, China Gave It to
>>>>> Russia.
>>>>> <https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/us-intelligence-china-on-russia-troop-buildup-ukraine-china-shared-info-with-moscow/>
>>>>> https://t.ly/L6cZ
>>>>
>>>> Biden is a idiot. Afghanistan proved that.
>>>>
>>> This was proven long before Afghanistan
>>> https://youtu.be/mCJMF7mflGE
>>>
>>> Were shocked when Trump was selected, but couldn't believe Biden was
>>> his opposition!
>>
>> Even the Dems realised that Hitlary had no chance and
>> that they had no one any better than that fool Biden.

> Better be nice to Hillary most of her foes suicide.

Not surprising given what an ugly bitch she is.

*Ördög* wrote on 1/3/22 7:42 am:
> Ördög:
>
>> *Fact check: 5 fakes of the war in Ukraine | DW News*
>> /DW News/
>
> Bugger! Left out the actual link yet again.
> So here it is:
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2F8nUi3oA&ab_channel=DWNews>

Hmm!! Memory failing?? We wouldn't be getting old, would we?? ;-P
--
Daniel

Thus given the confirmation that the demands of NON NATO INCLUSION /
DEMILITARISED AND NEUTRAL were expressed before the conflict, there is a
EUROPEAN / AMERICAN NATO culpability for the conflict and a continuing
failure of news media to properly report such facts.

NOTE 4 MARCH 2022: "A second round of talks between Russia and Ukraine
has started in a Belarusian city close to the border with Poland.

The talks take place as the Russian military's advance on the capital,
Kyiv, seems to be stalling. The first round of talks ended without
agreement.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said, "We are ready for talks
for diplomacy. But we are not ready to accept any Russian ultimatums."

Ukraine's foreign minister said before the talks that *RUSSIA'S*
*DEMANDS* *REMAIN* *UNCHANGED* *FROM* *WHAT* *PRESIDENT* *VLADIMIR*
*PUTIN* *ANNOUNCED* *BEFORE* *THE* *INVASION*.

He insists that Ukraine be demilitarized. And he wants a promise it
won't join NATO." <https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220304_06/>

Having just heard details of the Belarus peace talks on the first news @
0515 hours on 1 MARCH 2022 it seems that our appraisal of cause for
conflict being a "denial of any possible inclusion of Ukraine within
NATO and Russian desire for a geographic buffer zone against Europe by
countries sympathetic to a neutral action."

IS A CORRECT ASSESSMENT: "Delegates from Ukraine and Russia have sat
down for talks for the first time since the invasion started last week.

They gathered in southeastern Belarus near the border with Ukraine on
Monday.

The Ukrainian side is urging an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of
Russia's military.

The Russian delegation is demanding what it calls "demilitarization" of
Ukraine and a guarantee it will remain neutral. Moscow apparently wants
legal assurance that Ukraine won't join NATO."
<https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220301_01/>

We note that whilst Japanese news (NHK Tokyo) could convey “denial of
any possible inclusion of Ukraine within NATO” being confirmation as to
the APRIORITY CAUSE of the conflict, that German news (DW) could not
make any such claim, French news (FRANCE24) then sought to redefine what
is meant by REDLINES and AL JAZEERA similarly omitted the fact by
instead obfuscating with every other imaginable detail which is probably
due to their denial of any European accountability for the conflict.

As if two world wars are not sufficient for them.

If the world powers were to unequivocally say NO to the "possibility
inclusion of Ukraine within NATO”, then much of the impetus for the
Russian / Ukraine conflict would immediately be over--instead Europe is
committed to the path of a proxy war by supply of munitions for conflict.

That protests against Russian aggression on our APRIORITY CAUSE basis is
then entirely delusional and ought to be more appropriately directed
against both America and the European Union with its dire geo-political
non-buffered problem.

Clearly by its involvement within NATO, and accountability over any
“denial of any possible inclusion of Ukraine within NATO” that America
'as a lamb which speaks a dragon' has blood on its hands and hence is
why we ought to actively resist their internet militia propaganda
irrespective of their "f@ck Trump' or "let's go Brandon" mantras as
Punch / Judy show and democracy pantomime.

Initial Post: 1 March 2022

On 3/3/2022 19:59, dolf wrote:
> We just wonder whether the SOLIDARITÉ is in relation to AU MORT as killing
> for the borg communist collective?
>
> And what do the French think about your cultural appropriation…
>
> FRANCE24 has been caught engaging in fake news about their proxy war no
> doubt not to duly upset the people in the lead up to the French election…
>
> Our SBS tv always prefaces the world news with a caution that the opinions
> expressed may contravene their standards—truth…
>
> We notice that all the nationalistic democracies of the EU want Ukraine
> admitted expeditiously…
>
> *Ördög* <Belphegor@666.Hell.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> *LIBERTÉ*
>
> *EGALITÉ*
>
> *FRATERNITÉ*
>
> *SOLIDARITÉ*
>
>

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