Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to him,
Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I discovered that
it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody spoke in Forrin and
Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks for everyhting, Jean Luc.

And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can forget
Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys' Godard le noes.
He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret Mitchell's Godard le
vent and there are those who say Leonardo da Vinci would never have
painted La Godardconda without him.

Nick

On 13/09/2022 12:30, Nick Odell wrote:
> Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to him,
> Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I discovered that
> it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody spoke in Forrin and
> Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks for everyhting, Jean Luc.
>
> And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can forget
> Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys' Godard le noes.
> He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret Mitchell's Godard le
> vent and there are those who say Leonardo da Vinci would never have
> painted La Godardconda without him.
>
> Nick

He was quite good in Star Trek too.

--
Cheers
Clive

On 13/09/2022 14:21, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 13/09/2022 12:30, Nick Odell wrote:
>> Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to him,
>> Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I discovered that
>> it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody spoke in Forrin and
>> Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks for everyhting, Jean Luc.
>>
>> And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can forget
>> Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys' Godard le noes.
>> He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret Mitchell's Godard le
>> vent and there are those who say Leonardo da Vinci would never have
>> painted La Godardconda without him.
>
> He was quite good in Star Trek too.

Donc, adieu alors, Jean Luc Godard.

Maintenent, vous êtes vraiment a bout de souffle.

--
Sid
(Make sure Matron is away when you reply)

On 13/09/2022 14:21, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 13/09/2022 12:30, Nick Odell wrote:
>> Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to him,
>> Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I discovered that
>> it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody spoke in Forrin and
>> Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks for everyhting, Jean Luc.
>>
>> And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can forget
>> Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys' Godard le noes.
>> He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret Mitchell's Godard le
>> vent and there are those who say Leonardo da Vinci would never have
>> painted La Godardconda without him.
>>
>> Nick
>
> He was quite good in Star Trek too.
>
I understand that under Charles the Third pillar boxes will now be
labelled C3PO. May the ParcelForce be with you !

(Thanks to the Times Diary for the original).

BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEAWAY@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13/09/2022 14:21, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 13/09/2022 12:30, Nick Odell wrote:
>>> Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to him,
>>> Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I discovered that
>>> it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody spoke in Forrin and
>>> Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks for everyhting, Jean Luc.
>>>
>>> And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can forget
>>> Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys' Godard le noes.
>>> He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret Mitchell's Godard le
>>> vent and there are those who say Leonardo da Vinci would never have
>>> painted La Godardconda without him.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>
>> He was quite good in Star Trek too.
>>
> I understand that under Charles the Third pillar boxes will now be
> labelled C3PO. May the ParcelForce be with you !
>
> (Thanks to the Times Diary for the original).
>
>
>

Will he be a First Class Male?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 17:54:05 +0100
Sid Nuncius <nuncius@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 13/09/2022 14:21, Clive Arthur wrote:
> > On 13/09/2022 12:30, Nick Odell wrote:
> >> Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to
> >> him, Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I
> >> discovered that it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody
> >> spoke in Forrin and Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks
> >> for everyhting, Jean Luc.
> >>
> >> And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can
> >> forget Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys'
> >> Godard le noes. He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret
> >> Mitchell's Godard le vent and there are those who say Leonardo da
> >> Vinci would never have painted La Godardconda without him.
> >
> > He was quite good in Star Trek too.
>
>
> Donc, adieu alors, Jean Luc Godard.
>
> Maintenent, vous êtes vraiment a bout de souffle.
>
"The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with
the film À Bout de Soufflé, ... which was characterised
by radical editing and handheld camera work."
(R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)

Iain Archer <ianews@montaigne.me.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 17:54:05 +0100
> Sid Nuncius <nuncius@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 13/09/2022 14:21, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>> On 13/09/2022 12:30, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>> Sad to learn that Jean Luc Godard has just died. It was thanks to
>>>> him, Patrice Leconte, François Truffaut and others that I
>>>> discovered that it was possible to enjoy a film even if everybody
>>>> spoke in Forrin and Michael Caine was nowhere to be seen. Thanks
>>>> for everyhting, Jean Luc.
>>>>
>>>> And his influence stretched into so many other fields: who can
>>>> forget Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godard or The Beach Boys'
>>>> Godard le noes. He probably ought to take the credit for Margaret
>>>> Mitchell's Godard le vent and there are those who say Leonardo da
>>>> Vinci would never have painted La Godardconda without him.
>>>
>>> He was quite good in Star Trek too.
>>
>>
>> Donc, adieu alors, Jean Luc Godard.
>>
>> Maintenent, vous êtes vraiment a bout de souffle.
>>
> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with
> the film À Bout de Soufflé, ... which was characterised
> by radical editing and handheld camera work."
> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)
>
>

Then someone opened the door and it was a complete flop.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 14/09/2022 17:27, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with
>> the film À Bout de Soufflé, ... which was characterised
>> by radical editing and handheld camera work."
>> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)
>>
>>
> Then someone opened the door and it was a complete flop.

LOL.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:23 +0100, Iain Archer <ianews@montaigne.me.uk>
scrawled in the dust...

> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with
> the film À Bout de Soufflé, ... which was characterised
> by radical editing and handheld camera work."
> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)

Hello Iain, I was wondering only the other day if you were still lurking
hereabouts.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959

Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:23 +0100, Iain Archer <ianews@montaigne.me.uk>
> scrawled in the dust...
>
>> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with
>> the film À Bout de Soufflé, ... which was characterised
>> by radical editing and handheld camera work."
>> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)
>
> Hello Iain, I was wondering only the other day if you were still lurking
> hereabouts.

Welcome home Iain! Here’s the key to the choccie bunker.

Mrs McT

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 07:51:23 +0000, Chris wrote:

> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:23 +0100, Iain Archer
>> <ianews@montaigne.me.uk>
>> scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with the film À Bout
>>> de Soufflé, ... which was characterised by radical editing and
>>> handheld camera work."
>>> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)
>>
>> Hello Iain, I was wondering only the other day if you were still
>> lurking hereabouts.

I have in truth been here all the time, albeit mainly behind the
wainscoting.
>
> Welcome home Iain! Here’s the key to the choccie bunker.
>
> Mrs McT

Thanks. I'm still grappling with the Pan GUI on my standby Raspberry Pi.
I'm quite pleased just to have been able to refind all this thread.
Best post this now, after having lost a couple of drafts.

On 08/11/2022 18:15, Iain Archer wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 07:51:23 +0000, Chris wrote:
>
>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:23 +0100, Iain Archer
>>> <ianews@montaigne.me.uk>
>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>
>>>> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with the film À Bout
>>>> de Soufflé, ... which was characterised by radical editing and
>>>> handheld camera work."
>>>> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)
>>>
>>> Hello Iain, I was wondering only the other day if you were still
>>> lurking hereabouts.
>
> I have in truth been here all the time, albeit mainly behind the
> wainscoting.
>>
>> Welcome home Iain! Here’s the key to the choccie bunker.
>>
>> Mrs McT
>
> Thanks. I'm still grappling with the Pan GUI on my standby Raspberry Pi.
> I'm quite pleased just to have been able to refind all this thread.
> Best post this now, after having lost a couple of drafts.

Oooh, hallo there! is this the beginning of an Archery?

--
Kate B

Kate B <elvira@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/11/2022 18:15, Iain Archer wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 07:51:23 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Penny <spam@labyrinth.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 16:24:23 +0100, Iain Archer
>>>> <ianews@montaigne.me.uk>
>>>> scrawled in the dust...
>>>>
>>>>> "The founder of the New Wave, Godard shot to fame with the film À Bout
>>>>> de Soufflé, ... which was characterised by radical editing and
>>>>> handheld camera work."
>>>>> (R4 11am news summary 13/9, sic)
>>>>
>>>> Hello Iain, I was wondering only the other day if you were still
>>>> lurking hereabouts.
>>
>> I have in truth been here all the time, albeit mainly behind the
>> wainscoting.
>>>
>>> Welcome home Iain! Here’s the key to the choccie bunker.
>>>
>>> Mrs McT
>>
>> Thanks. I'm still grappling with the Pan GUI on my standby Raspberry Pi.
>> I'm quite pleased just to have been able to refind all this thread.
>> Best post this now, after having lost a couple of drafts.
>
> Oooh, hallo there! is this the beginning of an Archery?
>

Is Mr Gilliver still stuck wherever it is he’s found himself?

Mrs McT

On 08/11/2022 22:16, Chris wrote:
> Is Mr Gilliver still stuck wherever it is he’s found himself?

Sadly, (1) he tells me that due to (2) very limited internet access (3)
it will probably be next year, or even the year after, before he is able
to return to us.

(1) I think it would still hold true if I omitted the comma.

(2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".

(3) He has given me a non-specific reason but I prefer not to pass that
on. He may wish to do so when he returns.

(4) But I'm sure at least one Umrat will.

--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:

> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".

I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.

But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language. Or was.

--
Cheers
Clive

Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
> On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>
> I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
> to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.
>
> But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language. Or was.
>

It is really the merkins that have right royally messed* up our language.

*Please feel free to substitute a shorter more concise word if you wish to.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

On 09/11/2022 15:14, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>
> I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
> to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.
>
> But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language.  Or was.
>

Consulting a game bird and several peninsulas (Partridge and Gowers)
leads me to this:
Due to is an adjectival phrase (because due is an adjective) and so
needs a noun to agree with.

Thus X is due to Y and Z, but not Due to Y and Z X happened.

Owing to is a prepositional phrase: it is permissible to say Owing to XY
and Z X happened.

They both mention Fowler saying in 1926 that the use of Due to as a
prepositional phrase was now common and that "one day either idiom will
beat the illiterates or the illiterates will beat idiom; our grandsons
(sic) will know." Gowers says he thinks idiom is fighting a losing battle.

john

On 09/11/2022 16:30, Mike McMillan wrote:
> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>
>>> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>>
>> I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
>> to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.
>>
>> But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language. Or was.
>>
>
> It is really the merkins that have right royally messed* up our language.
>
> *Please feel free to substitute a shorter more concise word if you wish to.
>

Surely the Merkins would have right republicanly messed it up.

john

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 09/11/2022 16:30, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>>>
>>> I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
>>> to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.
>>>
>>> But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language. Or was.
>>>
>>
>> It is really the merkins that have right royally messed* up our language.
>>
>> *Please feel free to substitute a shorter more concise word if you wish to.
>>
>
> Surely the Merkins would have right republicanly messed it up.
>
> john
>

I think that Trumps my comment.

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

John Ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 09/11/2022 16:30, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>>>
>>> I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
>>> to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.
>>>
>>> But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language. Or was.
>>>
>>
>> It is really the merkins that have right royally messed* up our language.
>>
>> *Please feel free to substitute a shorter more concise word if you wish to.
>>
>
> Surely the Merkins would have right republicanly messed it up.
>
> john
>

That Trumps my comment…

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

Jenny M Benson <NemoNews@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/11/2022 22:16, Chris wrote:
>> Is Mr Gilliver still stuck wherever it is he’s found himself?
>
> Sadly, (1) he tells me that due to (2) very limited internet access (3)
> it will probably be next year, or even the year after, before he is able
> to return to us.
>
> (1) I think it would still hold true if I omitted the comma.
>
> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>
> (3) He has given me a non-specific reason but I prefer not to pass that
> on. He may wish to do so when he returns.
>
> (4) But I'm sure at least one Umrat will.
>

*very sad smile* tell him

Mrs McT

On 09/11/2022 16:39, John Ashby wrote:
>
> Consulting a game bird and several peninsulas (Partridge and Gowers)
> leads me to this:
> Due to is an adjectival phrase (because due is an adjective) and so
> needs a noun to agree with.
>
> Thus X is due to Y and Z, but not Due to Y and Z X happened.
>
> Owing to is a prepositional phrase: it is permissible to say Owing to XY
> and Z X happened.

That ties in with what I think I was taught - that one was used before a
noun and one before a verb but I could never remember which was which.
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 09-Nov-22 16:40, John Ashby wrote:
> On 09/11/2022 16:30, Mike McMillan wrote:
>> Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2022 12:48, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> (2) I never know (4) when to use "due to" and when to use "owing to".
>>>
>>> I was taught that if you could substitute 'because of' then it's 'owing
>>> to', and if you could substitute 'caused by' then it's 'due to'.
>>>
>>> But apparently HMQ broke that rule and it's her language.  Or was.
>>>
>>
>> It is really the merkins that have right royally messed* up our language.
>>
>> *Please feel free to substitute a shorter more concise word if you
>> wish to.
>>
>
> Surely the Merkins would have Right republicanly messed it up.

Would the Democrats have Left it alone?

--
Sam Plusnet