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Tesla 3 Power failure?

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Subject: Tesla 3 Power failure?
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 by: Clocky - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 00:29 UTC

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 01:13 UTC

On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>
>
>

why on earth would they make it like that??

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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 03:29 UTC

On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>
>
>

I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made like
this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies in one sues
the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to settle a lawsuit.
but any two door car would have the same problem of trapping rear seat
passengers. ?? and this has made me think... what happens in 'ordinary'
cars that have central locking if all doors are electrically locked and
there's no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors default
to unlock?

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam
"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

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Subject: Re: Tesla 3 Power failure?
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 by: Clocky - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:55 UTC

On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>
>>
>>
>
> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made like
> this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies in one sues
> the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to settle a lawsuit.
> but any two door car would have the same problem of trapping rear seat
> passengers. ?? and this has made me think... what happens in 'ordinary'
> cars that have central locking if all doors are electrically locked and
> there's no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors default
> to unlock?
>

In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no or low
battery voltage and no communication (if there has been damage to the
harness or power cut for whatever reason during the accident) each
module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on board to provide
enough power to do that.

Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it will
unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.

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Subject: Re: Tesla 3 Power failure?
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 by: keithr0 - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 05:58 UTC

On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies in
>> one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to settle a
>> lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem of trapping
>> rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think... what happens in
>> 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all doors are
>> electrically locked and there's no power. like in an accident for
>> example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>
>
> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no or low
> battery voltage and no communication (if there has been damage to the
> harness or power cut for whatever reason during the accident) each
> module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on board to provide
> enough power to do that.
>
> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it will
> unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.

Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control to
override the lock and open the doors

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:31 UTC

On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies in
>>> one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to settle
>>> a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem of
>>> trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think... what
>>> happens in 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all doors
>>> are electrically locked and there's no power. like in an accident
>>> for example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>>
>>
>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no or
>> low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been damage to
>> the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the accident)
>> each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on board to
>> provide enough power to do that.
>>
>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it will
>> unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>
> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control to
> override the lock and open the doors

really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
Camry, or...

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

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 by: keithr0 - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:52 UTC

On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>>>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies in
>>>> one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to settle
>>>> a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem of
>>>> trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think... what
>>>> happens in 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all doors
>>>> are electrically locked and there's no power. like in an accident
>>>> for example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no or
>>> low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been damage to
>>> the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the accident)
>>> each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on board to
>>> provide enough power to do that.
>>>
>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it will
>>> unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>
>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control to
>> override the lock and open the doors
>
>
> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
> Camry, or...
>
You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the inside?
Amazing.

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 by: Noddy - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 09:25 UTC

On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>> Camry, or...
>>
> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the inside?
> Amazing.

Jesus he's fucking *thick*....

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:21 UTC

On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>>>>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies
>>>>> in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to
>>>>> settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem
>>>>> of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think...
>>>>> what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all
>>>>> doors are electrically locked and there's no power. like in an
>>>>> accident for example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on
>>>> board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>
>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>
>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
>>> to override the lock and open the doors
>>
>>
>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>> Camry, or...
>>
> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the inside?
> Amazing.

they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is active

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 10:26 UTC

On 9/02/2022 8:25 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>> Camry, or...
>>>
>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>> inside? Amazing.
>
> Jesus he's fucking *thick*....
>

you're both thick. see my answer to Keith. Oh, that's right.. you
can't.. you're hiding

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 by: alvey - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 20:25 UTC

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:21:24 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>>>>>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies
>>>>>> in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to
>>>>>> settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem
>>>>>> of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think...
>>>>>> what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all
>>>>>> doors are electrically locked and there's no power. like in an
>>>>>> accident for example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
>>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
>>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
>>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on
>>>>> board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
>>>> to override the lock and open the doors
>>>
>>>
>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>> Camry, or...
>>>
>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the inside?
>> Amazing.
>
> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is active

Good return of serve there young felix.
keith *may* have been attempting humour, although he has no priors for
that, and Fraudster, well, it's been well established that his sociopathy
always overrules his comprehension. Still, they make a lovely couple.

alvey

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 01:17 UTC

On 10/02/2022 4:25 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:21:24 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>>>>>>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies
>>>>>>> in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to
>>>>>>> settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem
>>>>>>> of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think...
>>>>>>> what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all
>>>>>>> doors are electrically locked and there's no power. like in an
>>>>>>> accident for example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
>>>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
>>>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
>>>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on
>>>>>> board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
>>>>> to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>>> Camry, or...
>>>>
>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the inside?
>>> Amazing.
>>
>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is active
>
> Good return of serve there young felix.
>
> keith *may* have been attempting humour, although he has no priors for
> that, and Fraudster, well, it's been well established that his sociopathy
> always overrules his comprehension. Still, they make a lovely couple.
>
>
> alvey
>

Sadly for keith, they do indeed.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 04:45 UTC

On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
>>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who
>>>>>> dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't
>>>>>> afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the
>>>>>> same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has
>>>>>> made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have
>>>>>> central locking if all doors are electrically locked and there's
>>>>>> no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors default
>>>>>> to unlock?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
>>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
>>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
>>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap
>>>>> on board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
>>>> to override the lock and open the doors
>>>
>>>
>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>> Camry, or...
>>>
>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>> inside? Amazing.
>
>
> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is active
>
>

actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I was
out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door handle
will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and it's the
same situation whether the engine is running or not, and with or without
a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same for all makes and
models of cars tho.

--
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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 05:17 UTC

On 10/02/2022 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
>>>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who
>>>>>>> dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't
>>>>>>> afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the
>>>>>>> same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has
>>>>>>> made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have
>>>>>>> central locking if all doors are electrically locked and there's
>>>>>>> no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors default
>>>>>>> to unlock?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
>>>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
>>>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
>>>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap
>>>>>> on board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
>>>>> to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>>> Camry, or...
>>>>
>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>>> inside? Amazing.
>>
>>
>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is active
>>
>>
>
> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I was
> out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door handle
> will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and it's the
> same situation whether the engine is running or not, and with or without
> a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same for all makes and
> models of cars tho.
>
>

Well yes, but the question is how do they operate if you lose all power.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 06:21 UTC

On 10/02/2022 4:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
>>>>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone
>>>>>>>> who dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't
>>>>>>>> afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the
>>>>>>>> same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has
>>>>>>>> made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have
>>>>>>>> central locking if all doors are electrically locked and
>>>>>>>> there's no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors
>>>>>>>> default to unlock?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every
>>>>>>> door actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it
>>>>>>> detects no or low battery voltage and no communication (if there
>>>>>>> has been damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason
>>>>>>> during the accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has
>>>>>>> a supercap on board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual
>>>>>> control to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>>>> Camry, or...
>>>>>
>>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>>>> inside? Amazing.
>>>
>>>
>>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is
>>> active
>>>
>>>
>>
>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I
>> was out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door
>> handle will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and
>> it's the same situation whether the engine is running or not, and
>> with or without a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same
>> for all makes and models of cars tho.
>>
>>
>
> Well yes, but the question is how do they operate if you lose all power.

good question. I suppose it depend if the electric locking mechanism
defaults to unlock or not. that would seem the sensible way to design it.

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:42 UTC

On 10/02/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 4:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 10/02/2022 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
>>>>>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone
>>>>>>>>> who dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't
>>>>>>>>> afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the
>>>>>>>>> same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has
>>>>>>>>> made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have
>>>>>>>>> central locking if all doors are electrically locked and
>>>>>>>>> there's no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors
>>>>>>>>> default to unlock?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every
>>>>>>>> door actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it
>>>>>>>> detects no or low battery voltage and no communication (if there
>>>>>>>> has been damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason
>>>>>>>> during the accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has
>>>>>>>> a supercap on board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual
>>>>>>> control to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>>>>> Camry, or...
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>>>>> inside? Amazing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is
>>>> active
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I
>>> was out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door
>>> handle will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and
>>> it's the same situation whether the engine is running or not, and
>>> with or without a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same
>>> for all makes and models of cars tho.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well yes, but the question is how do they operate if you lose all power.
>
>
> good question. I suppose it depend if the electric locking mechanism
> defaults to unlock or not. that would seem the sensible way to design it.
>
Only fools and Yanks lock the doors while driving.

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:43 UTC

On 10/02/2022 11:17 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 4:25 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:21:24 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being made
>>>>>>>> like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who dies
>>>>>>>> in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't afford to
>>>>>>>> settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the same problem
>>>>>>>> of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has made me think...
>>>>>>>> what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have central locking if all
>>>>>>>> doors are electrically locked and there's no power. like in an
>>>>>>>> accident for example. do the doors default to unlock?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
>>>>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
>>>>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
>>>>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
>>>>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap on
>>>>>>> board to provide enough power to do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
>>>>>> to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
>>>>> Camry, or...
>>>>>
>>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the inside?
>>>> Amazing.
>>>
>>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is
>>> active
>>
>> Good return of serve there young felix.
>> keith *may* have been attempting humour, although he has no priors for
>> that, and Fraudster, well, it's been well established that his sociopathy
>> always overrules his comprehension. Still, they make a lovely couple.
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
>
> Sadly for keith, they do indeed.

Look up guys - woosh right over your heads.

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On 10/2/22 9:42 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 10/02/2022 4:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2022 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
>>>>>>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone
>>>>>>>>>> who dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he
>>>>>>>>>> can't afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would
>>>>>>>>>> have the same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and
>>>>>>>>>> this has made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars that
>>>>>>>>>> have central locking if all doors are electrically locked and
>>>>>>>>>> there's no power. like in an accident for example. do the
>>>>>>>>>> doors default to unlock?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every
>>>>>>>>> door actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it
>>>>>>>>> detects no or low battery voltage and no communication (if
>>>>>>>>> there has been damage to the harness or power cut for whatever
>>>>>>>>> reason during the accident) each module can unlock the the
>>>>>>>>> door. It has a supercap on board to provide enough power to do
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
>>>>>>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual
>>>>>>>> control to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or
>>>>>>> the Camry, or...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>>>>>> inside? Amazing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is
>>>>> active
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I
>>>> was out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door
>>>> handle will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and
>>>> it's the same situation whether the engine is running or not, and
>>>> with or without a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same
>>>> for all makes and models of cars tho.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well yes, but the question is how do they operate if you lose all power.
>>
>>
>> good question. I suppose it depend if the electric locking mechanism
>> defaults to unlock or not. that would seem the sensible way to design it.
>>
> Only fools and Yanks lock the doors while driving.

Many Euro cars and even Japanese cars automatically lock their doors
once the car reaches a certain speed.
First car I experienced it on was a 1978 Toyota Crown, my MB and every
other MB I've driven recently does it as does my wife's Golf but in all
cases the internal door handles unlock the doors even when they are
locked to the outside.
The function can be disabled easily on the MB, not sure if its possible
on the VW.
IMHO its a great idea especially for women alone in their cars in big
cities at night, shame that I think its necessary but sadly IMHO it is.

--
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On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 15:46:01 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> > On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
> >>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone who
> >>>>>> dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he can't
> >>>>>> afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would have the
> >>>>>> same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ?? and this has
> >>>>>> made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars that have
> >>>>>> central locking if all doors are electrically locked and there's
> >>>>>> no power. like in an accident for example. do the doors default
> >>>>>> to unlock?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every door
> >>>>> actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it detects no
> >>>>> or low battery voltage and no communication (if there has been
> >>>>> damage to the harness or power cut for whatever reason during the
> >>>>> accident) each module can unlock the the door. It has a supercap
> >>>>> on board to provide enough power to do that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it it
> >>>>> will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual control
> >>>> to override the lock and open the doors
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or the
> >>> Camry, or...
> >>>
> >> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
> >> inside? Amazing.
> >
> >
> > they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is active
> >
> >
> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I was
> out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door handle
> will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and it's the
> same situation whether the engine is running or not, and with or without
> a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same for all makes and
> models of cars tho.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Exactly the same setup on my 27yr old jeep...Nothing new there. <shrug>
> --
> https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam
> "His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
> the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
> "His self serving ego pumping comments just
> read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

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On 10/02/2022 9:42 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> good question. I suppose it depend if the electric locking mechanism
>> defaults to unlock or not. that would seem the sensible way to design it.
>>
> Only fools and Yanks lock the doors while driving.

Given the spate of car jackings and "fake collisions" happening these
days, you'd be a fool *not* to. Some cars are set to lock doors
automatically. Our Santa Fe does, and unlocks them automatically when
the car is put in park.

A good idea in my opinion.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:17 UTC

On 10/02/2022 10:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 10/2/22 9:42 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> Only fools and Yanks lock the doors while driving.
>
> Many Euro cars and even Japanese cars automatically lock their doors
> once the car reaches a certain speed.
> First car I experienced it on was a 1978 Toyota Crown, my MB and every
> other MB I've driven recently does it as does my wife's Golf but in all
> cases the internal door handles unlock the doors even when they are
> locked to the outside.
> The function can be disabled easily on the MB, not sure if its possible
> on the VW.
> IMHO its a great idea especially for women alone in their cars in big
> cities at night, shame that I think its necessary but sadly IMHO it is.

Agreed. There is not the slightest thing wrong with it, and in fact I
see it as a distinct benefit.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:24 UTC

On 10/02/2022 10:56 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 15:46:01 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I was
>> out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door handle
>> will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and it's the
>> same situation whether the engine is running or not, and with or without
>> a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same for all makes and
>> models of cars tho.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Exactly the same setup on my 27yr old jeep...Nothing new there. <shrug>

Felix is as dumb as shit on a stick.

If he has a look at *any* of the interior door handles in his car he'll
see that just above the handle lever is a small lock lever that is in
fact a manual override for the central locking system. The driver's door
is linked to the locking system and will unlock all the doors by pulling
the handle, but On any of the other doors the door can be opened by
first moving the lock lever to the "unlock" position and then using the
handle to open the door.

This is nothing new, and most cars have been like this for many years.

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 by: Grumpy Tech - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:30 UTC

On 10/02/2022 10:24 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 10:56 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 15:46:01 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I was
>>> out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door handle
>>> will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and it's the
>>> same situation whether the engine is running or not, and with or without
>>> a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same for all makes and
>>> models of cars tho.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   Exactly the same setup on my 27yr old jeep...Nothing new there. <shrug>
>
> Felix is as dumb as shit on a stick.
>
> If he has a look at *any* of the interior door handles in his car he'll
> see that just above the handle lever is a small lock lever that is in
> fact a manual override for the central locking system. The driver's door
> is linked to the locking system and will unlock all the doors by pulling
> the handle, but On any of the other doors the door can be opened by
> first moving the lock lever to the "unlock" position and then using the
> handle to open the door.
>
> This is nothing new, and most cars have been like this for many years.
>
>
He may have left the child locks on in the rear seats in which case they
won't operate. First thing I sort out when I get a new car as I never
have kids in the car.

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:41 UTC

On 10/02/2022 7:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 10/2/22 9:42 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 10/02/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2022 4:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2022 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 9:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 5:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 4:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 10:55 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 11:29 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wtyppod/status/1384565697100066816/photo/1
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised there were no regulations to prevent them being
>>>>>>>>>>> made like this, and I hope the relatives or estate of anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> who dies in one sues the pants off Musk. it's not like he
>>>>>>>>>>> can't afford to settle a lawsuit. but any two door car would
>>>>>>>>>>> have the same problem of trapping rear seat passengers. ??
>>>>>>>>>>> and this has made me think... what happens in 'ordinary' cars
>>>>>>>>>>> that have central locking if all doors are electrically
>>>>>>>>>>> locked and there's no power. like in an accident for example.
>>>>>>>>>>> do the doors default to unlock?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In modern cars the doors unlock if the airbags go off. Every
>>>>>>>>>> door actuator may also has it's on CAN-bus module and if it
>>>>>>>>>> detects no or low battery voltage and no communication (if
>>>>>>>>>> there has been damage to the harness or power cut for whatever
>>>>>>>>>> reason during the accident) each module can unlock the the
>>>>>>>>>> door. It has a supercap on board to provide enough power to do
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some cars have roll-over sensors and when the ECU detects it
>>>>>>>>>> it will unlock the doors as well, that sort of thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every car that I have redden in has had some sort of manual
>>>>>>>>> control to override the lock and open the doors
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> really? so where are they on my Lancer, or the Magna I had, or
>>>>>>>> the Camry, or...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean that the doors on your cars don't have handles on the
>>>>>>> inside? Amazing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they don't 'overide' the lock. handles don't work when the lock is
>>>>>> active
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I
>>>>> was out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door
>>>>> handle will release all door locks, but none of the others will.
>>>>> and it's the same situation whether the engine is running or not,
>>>>> and with or without a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the
>>>>> same for all makes and models of cars tho.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well yes, but the question is how do they operate if you lose all
>>>> power.
>>>
>>>
>>> good question. I suppose it depend if the electric locking mechanism
>>> defaults to unlock or not. that would seem the sensible way to design
>>> it.
>>>
>> Only fools and Yanks lock the doors while driving.
>
> Many Euro cars and even Japanese cars automatically lock their doors
> once the car reaches a certain speed.
> First car I experienced it on was a 1978 Toyota Crown, my MB and every
> other MB I've driven recently does it as does my wife's Golf but in all
> cases the internal door handles unlock the doors even when they are
> locked to the outside.
> The function can be disabled easily on the MB, not sure if its possible
> on the VW.
> IMHO its a great idea especially for women alone in their cars in big
> cities at night, shame that I think its necessary but sadly IMHO it is.
>

Agreed 100%.

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:43 UTC

On 10/02/2022 8:24 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 10/02/2022 10:56 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, 10 February 2022 at 15:46:01 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> actually, we're both right. I tried the Lancer this morning when I was
>>> out. when the doors are electronically locked, the drivers door handle
>>> will release all door locks, but none of the others will. and it's the
>>> same situation whether the engine is running or not, and with or without
>>> a key in the ignition. don't know if it's the same for all makes and
>>> models of cars tho.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   Exactly the same setup on my 27yr old jeep...Nothing new there. <shrug>
>
> Felix is as dumb as shit on a stick.
>
> If he has a look at *any* of the interior door handles in his car he'll
> see that just above the handle lever is a small lock lever that is in
> fact a manual override for the central locking system. The driver's door
> is linked to the locking system and will unlock all the doors by pulling
> the handle, but On any of the other doors the door can be opened by
> first moving the lock lever to the "unlock" position and then using the
> handle to open the door.
>

Too bad if the child lock is on or the car has lost all power which was
the topic of discussion.

> This is nothing new, and most cars have been like this for many years.
>
>

No shit Einstein.

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