Owain Lastname <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> wrote:
> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 08:55:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet
>> If you work with Usenet groups in Google Groups, support for these groups
>> is ending soon.
>> Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text)
>> file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam.
>
> It seems that most of the spam comes from Google Groups anyway.
>
> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal with
> large downloads and local message storage.
>

For a web based service try
https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/thread.php?group=uk.d-i-y

Allows quoting too.

Tim

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On 15/12/2023 18:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 15-Dec-23 10:19, Owain Lastname wrote:
>> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 08:55:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet
>>> If you work with Usenet groups in Google Groups, support for these
>>> groups
>>> is ending soon.
>>> Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary
>>> (non-text)
>>> file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam.
>>
>> It seems that most of the spam comes from Google Groups anyway.
>>
>> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
>> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal
>> with large downloads and local message storage.
>
>
> Each to their own, but I can't imagine that download & local storage of
> a couple of text-based Usenet groups would be any kind of challenge to a
> 'modern' (i.e. built in the last 10 years) PC.

or even the last 30!

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On 15/12/2023 19:45, Jonathan Harston wrote:
> Last time I tried a run-from-media newsreader in my local library,
> port 119 was blocked. FTP was also blocked, so I wouldn't be
> surprised if everything was blocked other than HTTP.

Was ping blocked?

If not,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRr5qAA_l4

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Am 15/12/2023 um 15:28 schrieb Jonathan:
> I no longer seem able to acess eternal September from TB

Since when? I use Betterbird (a TB clone) and I have no issues.

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Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
> While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
>  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
> experience.

A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
phone.

1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
2= https://termux.dev/en/

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Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
> > While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
> >  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
> > experience.
>
> A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
> phone.
>
> 1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
> 2= https://termux.dev/en/
>
Similar, except that I use tin with Termux.

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Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
>> While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
>>  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
>> experience.
>
> A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
> phone.
>
> 1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
> 2= https://termux.dev/en/
>
>
>

How will an email client help?

Tim

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Am 16/12/2023 um 10:54 schrieb Tim+:
> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
>>> While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
>>>  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
>>> experience.
>>
>> A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
>> phone.
>>
>> 1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
>> 2= https://termux.dev/en/
>>
>>
>>
>
> How will an email client help?
>
> Tim
>
It is an email and usenet client. It works quite well with Eternal
September.

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Am 16/12/2023 um 10:38 schrieb Chris Green:
> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
>>> While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
>>>  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
>>> experience.
>>
>> A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
>> phone.
>>
>> 1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
>> 2= https://termux.dev/en/
>>
> Similar, except that I use tin with Termux.
>

I couldn't manage to make tin work on Linux desktop. I had to set up an
SSL tunnel and all that stuff.

Apparently Lynx should work as an usenet client too.

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On 12/15/2023 2:45 PM, Jonathan Harston wrote:
> Last time I tried a run-from-media newsreader in my local library,
> port 119 was blocked. FTP was also blocked, so I wouldn't be
> surprised if everything was blocked other than HTTP.
>

Eternal-September has something on Port 80.

https://www.eternal-september.org/index.php?showpage=techinfo

That's for people "living in a bunker" :-)
Where port 80 is the only thing that works.

Paul

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:20:59 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Owain Lastname wrote:
>
>> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
>> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal
>> with large downloads and local message storage.
>
>I don't see that a text-based group should need huge bandwidth or
>storage ... consider a USB stick with portable thunderbird?

That's what I do. I have Agent on a stick and move it between
whichever computers I'm using at the time. (Little 32-bit dual boot
netbook out here near the South Atlantic coast, since you asked.) The
program files, all my outgoing messages since 2008, all the incoming
messages I've chosen to save plus all the current messages before
expiry are using less than 260Mb of space.

Nick

Many thanks, Problem solved and Google Groups have gone from my
computer. Now have to get used to using TB for groups; I quite liked the
Google version, until they decided to close it and the endless drug
advertising.

Jonathan

On 15/12/2023 16:35, Paul wrote:
> On 12/15/2023 10:28 AM, Jonathan wrote:
>> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 13:29:21 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
>>> On 15/12/2023 10:19, Owain Lastname wrote:
>>>> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 08:55:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet If you work with Usenet
>>>>> groups in Google Groups, support for these groups is ending soon.
>>>>> Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary
>>>>> (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as
>>>>> well as spam.
>>>>
>>>> It seems that most of the spam comes from Google Groups anyway.
>>>>
>>>> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
>>>> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal
>>>> with large downloads and local message storage.
>>> While I dislike the site intensely, there is always homeowners hub. Not
>>> sure how you can quote a previous post though.
>>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub
>>>
>>> Of course many here block the site but there's no reason why rules can't
>>> be generated in applications like Thunderbird to allow through specific
>>> posters.
>> Ca someonr reccomend a good usenet server . I no longer seem able to acess eternal September from TB
>>
>> Thanks, Jonathan
>>
>
> In the Thunderbird server settings, tick the "Always Request Authentication".
> Then be prepared to enter your account and password when the dialog appears.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/vmTqvxd2/Always-Request-Authentication.gif
>
> *******
>
> You can use paganini.bofh.team:119 for posting without an account.
>
> There is another free server, but it is like a car with flat tyres
> and on most days, perfectly useless.
>
> Paul

Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
> > > While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
> > >  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
> > > experience.
> >
> > A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
> > phone.
> >
> > 1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
> > 2= https://termux.dev/en/
> >
> Similar, except that I use tin with Termux.

tin and Termius here (both Android and iOS, the iOS version is better).
The tin running on another machine accessed via SSH and tmux.

Theo

John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 18:10, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > On 15-Dec-23 10:19, Owain Lastname wrote:
> >> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 08:55:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
> >>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet
> >>> If you work with Usenet groups in Google Groups, support for these
> >>> groups
> >>> is ending soon.
> >>> Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary
> >>> (non-text)
> >>> file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam.
> >>
> >> It seems that most of the spam comes from Google Groups anyway.
> >>
> >> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
> >> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal
> >> with large downloads and local message storage.
> >
> >
> > Each to their own, but I can't imagine that download & local storage of
> > a couple of text-based Usenet groups would be any kind of challenge to a
> > 'modern' (i.e. built in the last 10 years) PC.
>
> or even the last 30!

Almost 30 years ago I accessed Usenet from my BBC Micro.

(although I wasn't storing messages locally, that was an Acorn RiscPC on the
end of the modem link)

Theo

On 16/12/2023 12:47, Theo wrote:
> Almost 30 years ago I accessed Usenet from my BBC Micro.

38 since I first accessed it on on a DEC Vax...

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Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> > Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
> > > > While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know if
> > > >  anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
> > > > experience.
> > >
> > > A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
> > > phone.
> > >
> > > 1= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
> > > 2= https://termux.dev/en/
> > >
> > Similar, except that I use tin with Termux.
>
> tin and Termius here (both Android and iOS, the iOS version is better).
> The tin running on another machine accessed via SSH and tmux.
>
Yes, of course, I didn't say that. I use ssh from termux to my
desktop machine which runs tin (and leafnode as a mini newsserver).

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On 16/12/2023 09:46, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> Am 15/12/2023 um 17:12 schrieb Robin:
>> While I've usually travelled with a laptop, I'd be interested to know
>> if   anyone can recommend an Android client on the basis of hands on
>> experience.
>
> A bit geeky, but I used to use Alpine (1) under Termux (2) on my Android
> phone.
>
> 1=  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_(email_client)
> 2=  https://termux.dev/en/
>
Thanks - I think - if only for what would be something entirely
different for me ;)

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On 16/12/2023 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/12/2023 12:47, Theo wrote:
>> Almost 30 years ago I accessed Usenet from my BBC Micro.
>
> 38 since I first accessed it on on a DEC Vax...

Hmm... NNTP wasn't established until 1986. Something tells me you were
accessing something else? Were you accessing a network, or was it BBS or
did you had access to JANET or some other MOD network?

By 1985 some of us were using IBM XTs, but hey.

On 16/12/2023 in message <ulkbl0$2ebpb$1@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:

>On 16/12/2023 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>On 16/12/2023 12:47, Theo wrote:
>>>Almost 30 years ago I accessed Usenet from my BBC Micro.
>>
>>38 since I first accessed it on on a DEC Vax...
>
>Hmm... NNTP wasn't established until 1986. Something tells me you were
>accessing something else? Were you accessing a network, or was it BBS or
>did you had access to JANET or some other MOD network?
>
>By 1985 some of us were using IBM XTs, but hey.

Only millionaires, or those with company PCs. Can't have been many about
then.

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life are pointing away from Earth?

On 15/12/2023 02:33 pm, Andy Burns wrote:
> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> I don't see that a text-based group should need huge bandwidth or
>>> storage ... consider a USB stick with portable thunderbird?
>>
>> I don't see that it should require any storage at all, other than what is
>> needed for the app itself.
>
> While you can set 0 days retention (globally or per group) I doubt it'd
> be very useful to work with?
>
> An alternative web-based interface
> <https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/thread.php?group=uk.d-i-y>

Nice...

I think I know a lurker who'll make use of that post-GG.

On 15/12/2023 03:28 pm, Jonathan wrote:

> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 13:29:21 UTC, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 10:19, Owain Lastname wrote:
>>> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 08:55:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet If you work with Usenet
>>>> groups in Google Groups, support for these groups is ending soon.
>>>> Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary
>>>> (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as
>>>> well as spam.
>>>
>>> It seems that most of the spam comes from Google Groups anyway.
>>>
>>> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
>>> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal
>>> with large downloads and local message storage.
>> While I dislike the site intensely, there is always homeowners hub. Not
>> sure how you can quote a previous post though.
>> http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/Home_owners_hub
>>
>> Of course many here block the site but there's no reason why rules can't
>> be generated in applications like Thunderbird to allow through specific
>> posters.
> Ca someonr reccomend a good usenet server . I no longer seem able to acess eternal September from TB
>
> Thanks, Jonathan

You won't get better than news.individual.net (Freie Universität
Berlin), for 10 Euros per annum.

On 16/12/2023 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 16/12/2023 12:47, Theo wrote:
>> Almost 30 years ago I accessed Usenet from my BBC Micro.
>
> 38 since I first accessed it on on a DEC Vax...

I think I first accessed it about 35 years ago on an Amiga B2000 using a
port of Tin.

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On 16/12/2023 15:30, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 16/12/2023 in message <ulkbl0$2ebpb$1@dont-email.me> Fredxx wrote:
>
>> On 16/12/2023 13:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 16/12/2023 12:47, Theo wrote:
>>>> Almost 30 years ago I accessed Usenet from my BBC Micro.
>>>
>>> 38 since I first accessed it on on a DEC Vax...
>>
>> Hmm... NNTP wasn't established until 1986. Something tells me you were
>> accessing something else? Were you accessing a network, or was it BBS
>> or did you had access to JANET or some other MOD network?
>>
>> By 1985 some of us were using IBM XTs, but hey.
>
> Only millionaires, or those with company PCs. Can't have been many about
> then.

When I was at uni in 87/88 the computer labs were already full of clone
XTs and a few genuine PC-ATs.

The Amstrad PC1512 came out in 86 for ~£400 - not that far removed from
the price of a Amiga A500 or a Atari 520ST (even if vastly inferior to
either :-) )

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> Allows quoting too.

So does HOH for all its problems...
Just select the text you want quoted before you click in the reply box

Like this

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On 15/12/2023 22:23, Tim+ wrote:
> Owain Lastname <spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> wrote:
>> On Friday 15 December 2023 at 08:55:56 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet
>>> If you work with Usenet groups in Google Groups, support for these groups
>>> is ending soon.
>>> Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text)
>>> file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam.
>>
>> It seems that most of the spam comes from Google Groups anyway.
>>
>> This may see me off the group; I currently have very limited internet
>> access and a web-based front end suits me fine. I don't want to deal with
>> large downloads and local message storage.
>>
>
> For a web based service try
> https://www.novabbs.com/aus+uk/thread.php?group=uk.d-i-y
>
> Allows quoting too.

Even hoh allows quoting. Just highlight the text of the message before
clicking in the reply box. It will then include the highlighted bit as a
quote.

(tried a post via it to see how it comes out)

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