On 12/02/2022 8:56 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/2/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 6:09 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2022 7:27 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 11/2/22 5:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 10/02/2022 9:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/22 3:18 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 8:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 8:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/22 5:24 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/game-changing-4680-battery-goes-into-production/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Li-Ion batteries, as I have stated many times, is merely a
>>>>>>>>>>> short term, interim step for BEVs. Al-Ion batteries will
>>>>>>>>>>> sweep away all otehr battery technologies. Some VERY
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting developments right here in OZ:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://graphenemg.com/energy-storage-solutions/aluminum-ion-battery/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Problem will be if and when that new battery tech comes on
>>>>>>>>>> line what to do with all the old batteries, eventually someone
>>>>>>>>>> will figure out how to recycle but until then old batteries
>>>>>>>>>> will be as big problem than nuclear waste.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **We have to figure out what to do with ALL batteries. Li-Ion,
>>>>>>>>> NiMH, NiCd, alkaline, etc. All are problematic. As big a
>>>>>>>>> problem as nuclear waste? Not even remotely close. You are
>>>>>>>>> engaged in either gross hyperbole or you have zero idea of just
>>>>>>>>> how dangerous nuclear waste really is. Thing is this: Al-Ion
>>>>>>>>> batteries are far less of a problem, compared to Li-Ion
>>>>>>>>> batteries. A point which will accelerate their development.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMHO battery electric vehicles are no where near as "green" as
>>>>>>>>>> their promoters would like us to believe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Depends. Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet.
>>>>>>>>> Disposing of batteries is a local problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It doesn't "depend" at all. An enormous amount of resources go
>>>>>>>> into building an electric vehicle, the electricity used to
>>>>>>>> charge them has an environmental cost associated with it and
>>>>>>>> then EV's have a relatively short viable service life and have
>>>>>>>> significant environmental impact at end of life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to save the environment you would have less
>>>>>>>> environmental impact driving some old IC car around for 30 years
>>>>>>>> instead of buying a new EV every 5-10 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Those comments are applicable TODAY and in Australia. They may
>>>>>>> not be applicable in the near future and certainly not in all
>>>>>>> places. In any case, it really doesn't matter. Australia doesn't
>>>>>>> build cars. Since the companies that do are phasing out IC cars,
>>>>>>> we will have little choice in what we can purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes and no, no one is compelled to buy a new car.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends where you live, in Japan, the cost of keeping a car on the
>>>>> road is deliberately made more each year until after 7 years or so
>>>>> it is uneconomical to do so. That is why Japanese scrap yards look
>>>>> like Australian second hand car yards, and it is economical to ship
>>>>> older Japanese cars abroad.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't thinking about OS, plenty of old cars still on the roads in
>>>> Australia.
>>>
>>> What happens OS may well happen here. anyway, there aren't as many
>>> old cars on the roads as you may think.
>>>
>>> Average age of all vehicles registered in Australia was 10.1 years,
>>> unchanged since 2015. Tasmanian vehicles reported the oldest average
>>> age at 12.8 years, whilst the Northern Territory and Australian
>>> Capital Territory had the youngest fleet with an average age of 9.4
>>> years.
>>>
>>>   Motor Vehicle Census, Australia, 31 Jan 2018
>>>
>>> https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/9309.0Main+Features131%20Jan%202018?OpenDocument=
>>>
>>>
>>>> What happens in Japan is about Govt policy that forces people to but
>>>> new cars to prop up their car industry, not whether or not IC cars
>>>> can last 30yrs.
>>>
>>> IC engines are good for 10-15 years or an average of 200k kilometres.
>>> When the engines are worn out, they generally have many other
>>> components similarly worn out so repairs, and maintenance, will
>>> exceed the value of the car. That alone makes a new car better value.
>>>
>>
>> I think that's nonsense. There is no reason a modern well maintained
>> petrol engine can't do 400,000km or last 20+ years without any major
>> problems or expenses that cost more than the depreciation hit on a new
>> car in the first few years (under normal circumstances, COVID has
>> flipped that on it's head). There are exceptions but out here in the
>> regions 200,000km is considered nothing.
>
> You need to make allowances for brands like *Nissan* that bring the
> average down.

Hard to imagine Nissan being worse than Daewoo but here we are ;-)

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:32:28 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 9:01 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/2/2022 11:49 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
>>>> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
>>>> over the way to *source them* from.
>>>
>>> I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property values
>>> in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use
>>> historical
>>> values...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> It doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to live near *any wrecking yard*
>> regardless of what it did to property values. It means his area is
>> *industrial*.
>>
>
> There are no wrecking yards or proposed toxic waste dumps near here
> but... our local beach just got voted the 2022 Best Beach in Australia.

Pity about the name...

alvey

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On 12/02/2022 2:46 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:32:28 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2022 9:01 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2022 11:49 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
>>>>> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
>>>>> over the way to *source them* from.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property values
>>>> in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use
>>>> historical
>>>> values...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>> It doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to live near *any wrecking yard*
>>> regardless of what it did to property values. It means his area is
>>> *industrial*.
>>>
>>
>> There are no wrecking yards or proposed toxic waste dumps near here
>> but... our local beach just got voted the 2022 Best Beach in Australia.
>
> Pity about the name...
>
>
>
> alvey
>

The name is historic owing to the colour of the water and bits and
pieces that would wash up on the beach from processing whales back in
the day.

Nasty history but a spectacular beach today.

We often go to Whalers Cove which is just around the corner as access is
easier for kayaking, fishing, swimming and snorkeling all of which we
like to do.